Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss

Nov 11, '16, 6:46 pm

DaveBj Veteran Member   Join Date: May 19, 2004 Posts: 10,653 Religion: Catholic, Tiber Swim Team Class of 2005

Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss http://www.aol.com/article/news/2016...loss/21604255/ Quote: Navin Nayak, the director of opinion research on the campaign, sent an email to senior staff Thursday evening outlining what it believed were the reasons for its loss. The email, which was first reported by Politico, was confirmed to Business Insider by a Clinton campaign staffer. Nayak signaled in the email that the campaign believes two bombshells from Comey in the final days of the election helped swing the electorate toward Trump — an initial Comey letter to Congress that reactivated an investigation into Clinton's private email server, as well as a subsequent letter last Sunday that again cleared her of wrongdoing. "We believe that we lost this election in the last week. Comey's letter in the last 11 days of the election both helped depress our turnout and also drove away some of our critical support among college-educated white voters—particularly in the suburbs," Nayak wrote. "We also think Comey's 2nd letter, which was intended to absolve Sec. Clinton, actually helped to bolster Trump's turnout." Let's see, how can I word this as ambiguously as possible . . . Some people apparently saw his absolution of Secretary Clinton last summer as a dereliction of his duty. Some people might see his actions during the last two weeks of the campaign as his redemption. Some people might. Not all will. __________________ Author of The Children of the Maker, Kindle Edition

#2   Nov 11, '16, 7:31 pm

Trader Regular Member   Join Date: June 28, 2007 Posts: 3,894 Religion: Catholic

Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by DaveBj http://www.aol.com/article/news/2016...loss/21604255/ Let's see, how can I word this as ambiguously as possible . . . Some people apparently saw his absolution of Secretary Clinton last summer as a dereliction of his duty. Some people might see his actions during the last two weeks of the campaign as his redemption. Some people might. Not all will. The usual excuse for the losing candidate is that they did not have the money to get their message out. That won't work this time because Trump campaigned on the cheap. If you want to claim you will cut waste in government, it helps to cut waste on your campaign. Liberals are always surprised to find out that people disagree with them. Hillary and friends just found out that a lot of people disagreed so much that they voted for a deeply flawed candidate instead of her. I find it especially strange that so many celebrities found out that their opinions were rejected, at least outside of their Hollywood enclaves. They think popularity and publicity mean they can get everyone to do what they want. I feel the same way about celebrity endorsements of almost everything. I truly don't care which products they get paid to promote. Soooooo Sad.

#3   Nov 11, '16, 8:19 pm

7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,897 Religion: Catholic

Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Trader The usual excuse for the losing candidate is that they did not have the money to get their message out. That won't work this time because Trump campaigned on the cheap. If you want to claim you will cut waste in government, it helps to cut waste on your campaign. Liberals are always surprised to find out that people disagree with them. Hillary and friends just found out that a lot of people disagreed so much that they voted for a deeply flawed candidate instead of her. I find it especially strange that so many celebrities found out that their opinions were rejected, at least outside of their Hollywood enclaves. They think popularity and publicity mean they can get everyone to do what they want. I feel the same way about celebrity endorsements of almost everything. I truly don't care which products they get paid to promote. Soooooo Sad. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139

#4   Nov 11, '16, 8:28 pm

dshix Veteran Member Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter   Join Date: October 7, 2012 Posts: 9,929 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Trader The usual excuse for the losing candidate is that they did not have the money to get their message out. That won't work this time because Trump campaigned on the cheap. If you want to claim you will cut waste in government, it helps to cut waste on your campaign. Liberals are always surprised to find out that people disagree with them. Hillary and friends just found out that a lot of people disagreed so much that they voted for a deeply flawed candidate instead of her. I find it especially strange that so many celebrities found out that their opinions were rejected, at least outside of their Hollywood enclaves. They think popularity and publicity mean they can get everyone to do what they want. I feel the same way about celebrity endorsements of almost everything. I truly don't care which products they get paid to promote. Soooooo Sad. That's right. It's so refreshing to see these liberals have their ideas thrown in their face and rejected. Only issue is that they won't admit it was their ideas that caused them to fail. They always say, when they lose, that this election "wasn't about ideology", that other factors caused it. __________________ What if there were no hypothetical questions?

#5   Nov 11, '16, 10:15 pm

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Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Trader Liberals are always surprised to find out that people disagree with them. And isn't that what we're seeing play out right now, with all the comments that anyone who voted for Donald Trump must be "ignorant" or (fill-in-the-blank)-phobic? LOL! We're just tired of being told we have to celebrate perversity and swallow whatever Brave New World social experimentation Kool-Aid the Marxist-Atheist left cooks up! __________________ MS, MFA Writing. Furthermore, abortion on demand must end!

#6   Nov 11, '16, 10:31 pm

Beryllos Senior Member   Join Date: May 23, 2013 Posts: 7,046 Religion: Catholic

Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Those who fancy themselves Masters of the Universe think they understand the way the world works, but they don't. While I think it's safe to say James Comey's handling of the investigation didn't help Clinton, I doubt it was crucial because Clinton's candidacy had so many other weaknesses. However, it's understandable that they would blame her loss on the last thing that happened prior to the election.

#7   Nov 11, '16, 11:44 pm

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Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Whateverrrrrrrr. He'll keep his job now, so what's the worry? In fact, he may be asked to continue the investigation, and I hope that he is. Credible and substantial evidence of corruption at the highest levels of government warrants full, unrestricted investigation. __________________ I say what I have to say and move on. If you have a question, kindly send a private message. 3X cancer survivor: 1) Peripheral T-Cell Lymphoma Not Otherwise Specified, 2) Angioimmunoblastic T-Cell Lymphoma, and 3) Myelodysplastic Syndrome. How? Eucharist, Anointing, Prayer. Moderator www.cancerforums.net

#8   Nov 12, '16, 12:48 am

MaryT777 Forum Master   Join Date: November 23, 2012 Posts: 14,357 Religion: Catholic

Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Trader The usual excuse for the losing candidate is that they did not have the money to get their message out. That won't work this time because Trump campaigned on the cheap. If you want to claim you will cut waste in government, it helps to cut waste on your campaign. Liberals are always surprised to find out that people disagree with them. Hillary and friends just found out that a lot of people disagreed so much that they voted for a deeply flawed candidate instead of her. I find it especially strange that so many celebrities found out that their opinions were rejected, at least outside of their Hollywood enclaves. They think popularity and publicity mean they can get everyone to do what they want. I feel the same way about celebrity endorsements of almost everything. I truly don't care which products they get paid to promote. Soooooo Sad. Well said.

#9   Nov 12, '16, 2:20 am

tawny Veteran Member Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: November 10, 2013 Posts: 29,907 Religion: Roman Catholic/OFS

Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Of course; blame someone else. __________________ May the Holy Spirit forever guide you throughout life's journey. Pax et Bonum

#10   Nov 12, '16, 2:37 am

Theo520 Regular Member   Join Date: August 8, 2014 Posts: 5,588 Religion: Christian

Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by tawny Of course; blame someone else. I would have put Comey at the bottom of the list, if at all. - blame herself for causing the whole mess - blame herself for not following advice and dumping all the emails earlier in the campaign. Dept of State could have made it happen if that's what she wanted. - blame Huma for not turning in all her files, like she was required to do. - blame Weiner for being a perv and sexting addict. Since the story was about to be leaked, Comey had no choice but to get out in front of it, he had to assure Congress the new stash of emails was been investigated. __________________ FACTS MATTER!

#11   Nov 12, '16, 3:22 am

Monte RCMS Forum Master   Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,675 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Comey is the one "Democrat" who cannot be prosecuted for perjury. [Comey has been a lifelong Republican, although he recently said he is no longer registered as one. But that’s just the start of his lengthy and long-standing ties to Republican politics, including past donations to GOP presidential candidates.] Or unauthorized access to classified information. Even Chelsea Clinton has her fingerprints on unauthorized possession of classified information AND is also tarred with the brush of Clinton Foundation cash. [Read WikiLeaks.] The Clintons have a well-deserved reputation for using people and throwing them away. https://www.truthorfiction.com/clintonfriends/ Some Clintons' friends even took the hit ... and then died in prison ... suspiciously. __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth. Last edited by Monte RCMS; Nov 12, '16 at 3:36 am.

#12   Nov 12, '16, 3:44 am

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Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by DaveBj http://www.aol.com/article/news/2016...loss/21604255/ Let's see, how can I word this as ambiguously as possible . . . Some people apparently saw his absolution of Secretary Clinton last summer as a dereliction of his duty. Some people might see his actions during the last two weeks of the campaign as his redemption. Some people might. Not all will. I think, on the other hand, his investigating what she actually did caused her problems. If she hadn't done what she did there would have been nothing for him to investigate. The biggest enemy of our church in the world has been defeated. That enemy is the Democrat Party. Presidency, House, Senate, Supreme Court, Governorships and State Legislatures are all now in the hands of, at least, a neutral power. This is the greatest thing that could happen!

#13   Nov 12, '16, 3:47 am

Monte RCMS Forum Master   Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,675 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Trader The usual excuse for the losing candidate is that they did not have the money to get their message out. That won't work this time because Trump campaigned on the cheap. If you want to claim you will cut waste in government, it helps to cut waste on your campaign. Liberals are always surprised to find out that people disagree with them. Hillary and friends just found out that a lot of people disagreed so much that they voted for a deeply flawed candidate instead of her. I find it especially strange that so many celebrities found out that their opinions were rejected, at least outside of their Hollywood enclaves. They think popularity and publicity mean they can get everyone to do what they want. I feel the same way about celebrity endorsements of almost everything. I truly don't care which products they get paid to promote. Soooooo Sad. Once upon a time, I proposed that our parish invite guest speakers for the extreme left wing Social Concerns Committee ... who had ... [prayer to the Holy Spirit] ... "an alternative point of view". "But, there ARE no alternative points of view." "Well, if I found a guest speaker with an alternative point of view, would you put him on the program". "Well, of course," said the elderly chairperson as she patted me on the head. [I had assumed that the members were actively manufacturing bombs, but all were very quiet people who were older than my grandparents.] So, now I had to produce. So ... I ... in desperation ... with the inspiration of the Holy Spirit ... I called the office of National Review magazine. And also called the office of Accuracy in Media. Whoa ... ended up with so many political right wing guest speakers that we not only dominated the Social Concerns Committee, but also the pastor started up a second Committee that he ran from the rectory. So many outside guests showed up at our talks that visitors asked for lists of speakers that they could use. I invited people to the house to give them lists of speakers and resources ... which I had never done before or since. We served iced tea and cookies. Wayyy outside my comfort zone. Years later, I ran into a major player while I was out and about on errands ... and he remarked about the riot that one of the agitators had started in our church basement. Even now, many years later, I wonder if I'm on a target list for left wing agitators and activists and rioters and fire-bombers and anarchists. You have no idea how vulnerable you feel when you are outside the mainstream of left-wing politics. These left wingers have absolutely no tolerance for diversity of thought. Regardless of what they say. [ I was so far out of the mainstream that even Karl Keating himself even looked me up at a seminar.] [Another time, I was at Mount St. Helens (the volcano) and another visitor saw my name tag got so excited he yelled for his wife to come over an meet me.][What a hoot.] __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth. Last edited by Monte RCMS; Nov 12, '16 at 4:04 am.

#14   Nov 12, '16, 4:10 am

Theo520 Regular Member   Join Date: August 8, 2014 Posts: 5,588 Religion: Christian

Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Monte RCMS Comey is the one "Democrat" who cannot be prosecuted for perjury. [Comey has been a lifelong Republican, although he recently said he is no longer registered as one. But that’s just the start of his lengthy and long-standing ties to Republican politics, including past donations to GOP presidential candidates.] I'd say Comey is more of a typical beltway Govt employee, part of the establishment who could work with either party that was in power, and thus donations flowed both ways. Power corrupts and I think over time very good people grow to accept the way that DC works. __________________ FACTS MATTER!

#15   Nov 12, '16, 5:07 am

Memaw Veteran Member   Join Date: October 30, 2006 Posts: 9,607 Religion: Catholic

Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Trader The usual excuse for the losing candidate is that they did not have the money to get their message out. That won't work this time because Trump campaigned on the cheap. If you want to claim you will cut waste in government, it helps to cut waste on your campaign. Liberals are always surprised to find out that people disagree with them. Hillary and friends just found out that a lot of people disagreed so much that they voted for a deeply flawed candidate instead of her. I find it especially strange that so many celebrities found out that their opinions were rejected, at least outside of their Hollywood enclaves. They think popularity and publicity mean they can get everyone to do what they want. I feel the same way about celebrity endorsements of almost everything. I truly don't care which products they get paid to promote. Soooooo Sad. I agree! God Bless, Memaw      Nov 12, '16, 5:10 am Memaw Veteran Member   Join Date: October 30, 2006 Posts: 9,607 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by JRRTFAN I think, on the other hand, his investigating what she actually did caused her problems. If she hadn't done what she did there would have been nothing for him to investigate. The biggest enemy of our church in the world has been defeated. That enemy is the Democrat Party. Presidency, House, Senate, Supreme Court, Governorships and State Legislatures are all now in the hands of, at least, a neutral power. This is the greatest thing that could happen! AMEN but don't rule out that Obama will still try something last ditch to upset the apple cart!!! Keep praying!!! God Bless, Memaw   #17   Nov 12, '16, 5:36 am PassingSoul Junior Member   Join Date: December 14, 2015 Posts: 290 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Beryllos Those who fancy themselves Masters of the Universe think they understand the way the world works, but they don't. While I think it's safe to say James Comey's handling of the investigation didn't help Clinton, I doubt it was crucial because Clinton's candidacy had so many other weaknesses. However, it's understandable that they would blame her loss on the last thing that happened prior to the election. Hillary was a flawed Canidate from day one. I even think Sanders could have won the Primary if he went after the email issue. I think Sanders would have beaten Trump. I disagree with some of the comments suggesting that the election was a total rejection of Progessive ideology. Let's not forget as flawed as she was she still won the overall popular vote. It came down to as they say " it's the Economy Stupid ". Trump hit all the right notes on a rigged election process, rigged trade policies, and the harm globalization has done to working Americans.   #18   Nov 12, '16, 6:37 am Monte RCMS Forum Master   Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,675 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by PassingSoul Hillary was a flawed Canidate from day one. I even think Sanders could have won the Primary if he went after the email issue. I think Sanders would have beaten Trump. I disagree with some of the comments suggesting that the election was a total rejection of Progessive ideology. Let's not forget as flawed as she was she still won the overall popular vote. It came down to as they say " it's the Economy Stupid ". Trump hit all the right notes on a rigged election process, rigged trade policies, and the harm globalization has done to working Americans. We still need to calculate the number of illegal votes that were cast. [By the way, there were NO reports of voting machines switching from Clinton to Trump.] __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth.   #19   Nov 12, '16, 7:15 am Cider Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2007 Posts: 4,817 Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Let the finger pointing begin. It couldn't possibly be her own fault. And her parties fault for their each of their actions before and during the campaign.   #20   Nov 12, '16, 7:24 am Cider Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2007 Posts: 4,817 Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by PassingSoul Hillary was a flawed Canidate from day one. I even think Sanders could have won the Primary if he went after the email issue. I think Sanders would have beaten Trump. I disagree with some of the comments suggesting that the election was a total rejection of Progessive ideology. Let's not forget as flawed as she was she still won the overall popular vote. It came down to as they say " it's the Economy Stupid ". Trump hit all the right notes on a rigged election process, rigged trade policies, and the harm globalization has done to working Americans. ITA. But that doesn't work with the narrative the right is telling themselves. First they had to convince themselves that Trump will do what they want him to. Now they are trying to convince everyone that Trumps win over Clinton of all candidates is wholesale rejection of progressive ideology. Not even close. This was a rejection of the establishment. I'd have loved to seen the result of a Trump Sanders race. The Dems rigged their own race for Clinton and it came back to bite them. The Repubs tried their best to rig their own race for anyone but Trump but didn't get away with it. Since their party doesn't control the primary race the same way the Dems do. It was much harder. Let us not forget the Anyone But Trump campaign. Trumps win was a rejection of Clinton that's for sure.   #21   Nov 12, '16, 7:42 am Trader Regular Member   Join Date: June 28, 2007 Posts: 3,894 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Cider Let the finger pointing begin. It couldn't possibly be her own fault. And her parties fault for their each of their actions before and during the campaign. I had a niece who stole a small amount of money from my mother when she was six. The loot was some shiny silver dollars. She was certain that she got in trouble because I told on her, not because of what she had done. Actually, I did not even know about it, but that is beside the point. If Comey's statements damaged her campaign, it was because of what she did, not because someone else said that she was extremely careless with government secrets. Mrs Clinton should have outgrown this attitude more than 60 years ago.   #22   Nov 12, '16, 8:01 am Michael68 Banned   Join Date: August 17, 2015 Posts: 5,225 Religion: Cradle Roman Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss If she wants to blame Comey she can just stop right now! If there was no email server there would be no Comey!!!!!!!   #23   Nov 12, '16, 8:10 am USMC_Convert Regular Member   Join Date: June 29, 2014 Posts: 1,054 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss In reference to some of the earlier comments about the liberals being shown that people don't agree with them, be careful, the scary part is that Hillary may have actually won the popular vote! Which means that our country truly has a majority of voters that support Hillary in everything she has done and in everything she had promised to do. In fact I'm deeply saddened and alarmed that Trump did not win by a landslide popular vote. There are grave times ahead of our country, that I promise you. Pray, beg, plead for God to help us. -Research Fatima and Our Lady of Good Success!!! __________________ Our Lady of Good Success!!! (look it up)   #24   Nov 12, '16, 8:14 am Michael68 Banned   Join Date: August 17, 2015 Posts: 5,225 Religion: Cradle Roman Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by PassingSoul Hillary was a flawed Canidate from day one. I even think Sanders could have won the Primary if he went after the email issue. I think Sanders would have beaten Trump. I disagree with some of the comments suggesting that the election was a total rejection of Progessive ideology. Let's not forget as flawed as she was she still won the overall popular vote. It came down to as they say " it's the Economy Stupid ". Trump hit all the right notes on a rigged election process, rigged trade policies, and the harm globalization has done to working Americans. The popular vote really doesn't matter to me. I don't live in New York or California.   #25   Nov 12, '16, 8:54 am ProdglArchitect Regular Member   Join Date: July 18, 2012 Posts: 5,433 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Trader The usual excuse for the losing candidate is that they did not have the money to get their message out. That won't work this time because Trump campaigned on the cheap. If you want to claim you will cut waste in government, it helps to cut waste on your campaign. Liberals are always surprised to find out that people disagree with them. Hillary and friends just found out that a lot of people disagreed so much that they voted for a deeply flawed candidate instead of her. I find it especially strange that so many celebrities found out that their opinions were rejected, at least outside of their Hollywood enclaves. They think popularity and publicity mean they can get everyone to do what they want. I feel the same way about celebrity endorsements of almost everything. I truly don't care which products they get paid to promote. Soooooo Sad. Of course Clinton blames someone else. She's pathologically incapable of accepting responsibility for anything. Quote: Originally Posted by Trader Mrs Clinton should have outgrown this attitude more than 60 years ago. That would require her to actually be an adult and take responsibility for her own actions. Mrs. Clinton is incapable of doing so. Quote: Originally Posted by Michael68 The popular vote really doesn't matter to me. I don't live in New York or California. Ditto. I used to be in favor of a pure popular vote election until I saw what that actually meant in terms of voter distribution. You could have 90% of the counties in the country select one individual, but due to population concentration, the other 10% could result in the other person getting elected. That is not accurate representation. I may be eating these words next election, but I am actually in favor of the electoral collage system...   #26   Nov 12, '16, 9:01 am ProVobis Forum Elder   Join Date: January 26, 2008 Posts: 43,235 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Theo520 Since the story was about to be leaked, Comey had no choice but to get out in front of it, he had to assure Congress the new stash of emails was been investigated. I fault Comey for closing the case in July. Had he not done so, the investigations would have continued and maybe the Democrats would have nominated someone who doesn't have so much baggage.   #27   Nov 12, '16, 9:11 am DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,078 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by ProVobis I fault Comey for closing the case in July. Had he not done so, the investigations would have continued and maybe the Democrats would have nominated someone who doesn't have so much baggage. The Democrats were determined to nominate Hillary. The fix was in for her and the emails obtained from the DNC exposed it. They were never going to nominate anyone else. __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #28   Nov 12, '16, 9:25 am PassingSoul Junior Member   Join Date: December 14, 2015 Posts: 290 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY The Democrats were determined to nominate Hillary. The fix was in for her and the emails obtained from the DNC exposed it. They were never going to nominate anyone else. Yep the fix was in !   #29   Nov 12, '16, 9:32 am Michael Mayo Regular Member   Join Date: March 7, 2012 Posts: 4,904 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss The Clinton campaign needs to take responsibility for its own colossal failure. __________________ “Lord, I have let myself be deceived; in a thousand ways I have shunned your love, yet here I am once more, to renew my covenant with you. I need you. Save me once again, Lord, take me once more into your redeeming embrace”. - Pope Francis   #30   Nov 12, '16, 9:36 am MaryT777 Forum Master   Join Date: November 23, 2012 Posts: 14,357 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Trader I had a niece who stole a small amount of money from my mother when she was six. The loot was some shiny silver dollars. She was certain that she got in trouble because I told on her, not because of what she had done. Actually, I did not even know about it, but that is beside the point. If Comey's statements damaged her campaign, it was because of what she did, not because someone else said that she was extremely careless with government secrets. Mrs Clinton should have outgrown this attitude more than 60 years ago. Well stated.     Nov 12, '16, 9:54 am ProVobis Forum Elder   Join Date: January 26, 2008 Posts: 43,235 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Michael Mayo The Clinton campaign needs to take responsibility for its own colossal failure. Failure to take the oval office maybe, but in the end she may end up getting the last laugh. Sort of like Al Gore.   #32   Nov 12, '16, 9:57 am Beryllos Senior Member   Join Date: May 23, 2013 Posts: 7,046 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by USMC_Convert In reference to some of the earlier comments about the liberals being shown that people don't agree with them, be careful, the scary part is that Hillary may have actually won the popular vote! Which means that our country truly has a majority of voters that support Hillary in everything she has done and in everything she had promised to do. In fact I'm deeply saddened and alarmed that Trump did not win by a landslide popular vote. There are grave times ahead of our country, that I promise you. Pray, beg, plead for God to help us. -Research Fatima and Our Lady of Good Success!!! I think many who voted for her did not "support Hillary in everything she has done and in everything she had promised to do." I suspect that a large number saw her as the lesser of two evils, "the second-worst thing that could happen to America," or simply more predictable than Trump. But even if you buy all that, you are still right about grave times ahead. However, the problem goes deeper than party lines. Everybody has a beam in his eye (Matthew 7:3-5). Pray, yes, but also spread the Gospel, spread the truth, evangelize, convert. Drain the swamp, as Trump has often said, except the swamp is not just in Washington D.C. It's everywhere. There's plenty for us to do. Let's roll.   #33   Nov 12, '16, 10:10 am ndsolt New Member   Join Date: June 18, 2014 Posts: 73 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Her people either didn't vote or voted third party. She had too much baggage and was business as usual   #34   Nov 12, '16, 10:52 am Saburo Junior Member   Join Date: July 1, 2011 Posts: 292 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by USMC_Convert In reference to some of the earlier comments about the liberals being shown that people don't agree with them, be careful, the scary part is that Hillary may have actually won the popular vote! Which means that our country truly has a majority of voters that support Hillary in everything she has done and in everything she had promised to do. Clinton did win the popular vote, but she only won a plurality. There were three candidates in most states. The majority of voters chose someone other than Clinton. Most voters saw her as a continuation of Obama's policies, and the majority of voters expressed a repudiation of Obama's policies by rejecting her. I'm just sorry it took eight years. BTW, happy BD and Vet's Day, leatherhead.   #35   Nov 12, '16, 10:59 am Saints Alive Regular Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: September 10, 2012 Posts: 1,240 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by ndsolt Her people either didn't vote or voted third party. She had too much baggage and was business as usual Exactly. __________________ Go Cubs !   #36   Nov 12, '16, 11:29 am utah rose Regular Member   Join Date: September 6, 2009 Posts: 1,359 Religion: catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Michael Mayo The Clinton campaign needs to take responsibility for its own colossal failure. But they won't. It's always someone else's fault in a way I feel sorry for Huma even though she was involved, she's probably has been thrown off the bus by the Clintons. It's not only the emails, it's her constant lying. For example, her father didn't work at a drapery factory, he owned it. He also abused his wife and possibly the children. Perhaps if Hillary would have revealed this, she'd have more in common with other people. I think if she had apologized and said the emails were not a mistake but pure stupidity on her part, if she apologized for her campaigns anti Catholic stance and most of all hadn't been in bed with Plsnnrd Parenthood and favoring late term abortions she may have gotten elected. And Bernie should be very upset right now as they used him so she could be nominated, not that I'd vote for either one.   #37   Nov 12, '16, 11:31 am Michael68 Banned   Join Date: August 17, 2015 Posts: 5,225 Religion: Cradle Roman Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Saburo Clinton did win the popular vote, but she only won a plurality. There were three candidates in most states. The majority of voters chose someone other than Clinton. Most voters saw her as a continuation of Obama's policies, and the majority of voters expressed a repudiation of Obama's policies by rejecting her. I'm just sorry it took eight years. BTW, happy BD and Vet's Day, leatherhead. I see it the same way. Between all 4 candidates, the majority rejected her. How can that be considered popular?   #38   Nov 12, '16, 11:37 am Cider Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2007 Posts: 4,817 Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by USMC_Convert In reference to some of the earlier comments about the liberals being shown that people don't agree with them, be careful, the scary part is that Hillary may have actually won the popular vote! Which means that our country truly has a majority of voters that support Hillary in everything she has done and in everything she had promised to do. In fact I'm deeply saddened and alarmed that Trump did not win by a landslide popular vote. There are grave times ahead of our country, that I promise you. Pray, beg, plead for God to help us. -Research Fatima and Our Lady of Good Success!!! So that means you think that all Trump voters think it's ok to just "grab women by the pu**y then. You're using the exact same argument the left is using against Trump voters, that they agree with everything he thinks, says and does.   #39   Nov 12, '16, 1:12 pm Convert1 Regular Member   Join Date: January 21, 2015 Posts: 901 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss I voted for the republican party, not for one person. I could not take another four years of liberalism. Some of my reasoning: 50 million people on welfare/food stamps; national debt going from 10.6 Trillion in 2009 to 23 Trillion in 2016, the lowest numbers of full-time workers in the Labor Force in 40 years, government getting bigger and bigger, while my rights as a citizen getting smaller and smaller. And the deal killer.....any candidate that supports abortion, especially partial-birth abortion as HRC did, is completely outside of my values and beliefs. She needs a reality check if she thinks James Comey had any great impact on the election. __________________ "There is something in humility which strangely exalts the heart" St. Augustine.   #40   Nov 12, '16, 1:17 pm Convert1 Regular Member   Join Date: January 21, 2015 Posts: 901 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Saburo Clinton did win the popular vote, but she only won a plurality. There were three candidates in most states. The majority of voters chose someone other than Clinton. Most voters saw her as a continuation of Obama's policies, and the majority of voters expressed a repudiation of Obama's policies by rejecting her. I'm just sorry it took eight years. BTW, happy BD and Vet's Day, leatherhead. She won CA, MA and NY. Those states, because of populous, skew the popular vote. Thus the reason we have an electoral college. If you review the states and demographics Trump won, it is massive compared to hers. __________________ "There is something in humility which strangely exalts the heart" St. Augustine.   #41   Nov 12, '16, 1:34 pm DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,078 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by utah rose But they won't. It's always someone else's fault in a way I feel sorry for Huma even though she was involved, she's probably has been thrown off the bus by the Clintons. It's not only the emails, it's her constant lying. For example, her father didn't work at a drapery factory, he owned it. He also abused his wife and possibly the children. Perhaps if Hillary would have revealed this, she'd have more in common with other people. I think if she had apologized and said the emails were not a mistake but pure stupidity on her part, if she apologized for her campaigns anti Catholic stance and most of all hadn't been in bed with Plsnnrd Parenthood and favoring late term abortions she may have gotten elected. And Bernie should be very upset right now as they used him so she could be nominated, not that I'd vote for either one. I admit I have difficulty feeling sympathy for Huma Abedin. Working for Hillary is the only job she's ever had. She knows exactly who she was in bed with (so to speak). Lie down with dogs... __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #42   Nov 12, '16, 2:47 pm ProVobis Forum Elder   Join Date: January 26, 2008 Posts: 43,235 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Convert1 I could not take another four years of liberalism. More like a gridlock, neither conservative nor liberal. Let's see now. The stock market went from 6000 some to now over 18000, inflation almost non-existent, interest rates low, unemployment decreased significantly, the US dollar is still the world's reserve currency, other countries still investing in the US, military is second to none, housing market has recovered, and Americans are still the most generous people in the world. And wouldn't you know it, abortion rates are decreasing. How did all this happen? I'll take the boredom over another banking collapse or over a sustained market drop, thank you.   #43   Nov 12, '16, 3:28 pm Melissa Regular Member   Join Date: May 26, 2004 Posts: 1,676 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Convert1 She won CA, MA and NY. Those states, because of populous, skew the popular vote. Thus the reason we have an electoral college. If you review the states and demographics Trump won, it is massive compared to hers. If anything, I would totally be behind the idea that the electoral college vote should be handled in all states as it is in Maine and Nebraska. I live in southern IL, and the first time I saw *any* signs for Clinton were at the "no campaigning past this point" line (where all the other signs are, too--Presidential, state, and local elections). In the county where I live, Trump beat Clinton by about a 5-2 margin, but Chicago always hands the whole state to the Democrats. I felt much the same way when I lived in upstate NY, where my area was solidly "red" but the state always went to the Democrats because of NYC. __________________ Melissa Tiber Swim Team - Class of 98   #44   Nov 12, '16, 4:17 pm ProVobis Forum Elder   Join Date: January 26, 2008 Posts: 43,235 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Melissa If anything, I would totally be behind the idea that the electoral college vote should be handled in all states as it is in Maine and Nebraska. I live in southern IL, and the first time I saw *any* signs for Clinton were at the "no campaigning past this point" line (where all the other signs are, too--Presidential, state, and local elections). In the county where I live, Trump beat Clinton by about a 5-2 margin, but Chicago always hands the whole state to the Democrats. I felt much the same way when I lived in upstate NY, where my area was solidly "red" but the state always went to the Democrats because of NYC. In essence you would be duplicating your representative or gerrymandered votes? The only sound argument I have heard for the electoral vote is that in the case of a close election it would be a nightmare to have to recount for the entire country. As it is they are still counting the popular vote, while the electoral vote winner was determined within 12 hours after polling places were closed.   #45   Nov 12, '16, 4:39 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,897 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Michael Mayo The Clinton campaign needs to take responsibility for its own colossal failure. I don't think choosing Tim Kaine helped either! __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139 Nov 12, '16, 4:41 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,897 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by ProVobis Failure to take the oval office maybe, but in the end she may end up getting the last laugh. Sort of like Al Gore. Al who? __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #47   Nov 13, '16, 2:26 am JRRTFAN   Join Date: May 30, 2010 Posts: 1,080 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows Al who? I beg to differ. Had it not been for Al we would not be having this discourse as he is the inventor of the internet. We should show respect for a mind of that caliber. The former Clinton campaign has a new theme song. Roy Clark's famous "Thank God and Greyhound She's Gone".   #48   Nov 13, '16, 3:52 am CaptFun Regular Member   Join Date: May 26, 2010 Posts: 4,998 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss She's a model of consistency in the field of not taking responsibility. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-EmdEEqs2w < Further details on the Hillary post-mortem were recorded at a recent DNC headquarters meeting. (2:00 Musical tribute)   #49   Nov 13, '16, 5:11 am 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,897 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by JRRTFAN I beg to differ. Had it not been for Al we would not be having this discourse as he is the inventor of the internet. We should show respect for a mind of that caliber. The former Clinton campaign has a new theme song. Roy Clark's famous "Thank God and Greyhound She's Gone". __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #50   Nov 13, '16, 12:08 pm Monte RCMS Forum Master   Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,675 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY I admit I have difficulty feeling sympathy for Huma Abedin. Working for Hillary is the only job she's ever had. She knows exactly who she was in bed with (so to speak). Lie down with dogs... Is Huma Abedin an operative for Iranian intelligence? __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth.   #51   Nov 13, '16, 12:11 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,897 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Monte RCMS Is Huma Abedin an operative for Iranian intelligence? I would hope not, but I guess anything is possible. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #52   Nov 13, '16, 12:14 pm DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,078 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Monte RCMS Is Huma Abedin an operative for Iranian intelligence? I'm not claiming that __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #53   Nov 13, '16, 12:18 pm ManOnFire Regular Member   Join Date: January 16, 2010 Posts: 2,339 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Her loss can be traced to judging and labelling people as Deplorables. Period. Comey was just a side show. Nate Silver predicted a Trump win in early summer. Right after that, my iPhone news feed started with the anti-Trump propaganda on a regular basis. I looked forward to it every morning while having my coffee. People don't want to be shamed into voting a certain way buy the media. The race was neck and neck all along. My guess is Comey was either a cover to hide just how wrong the media was, or maybe one of the discovered emails showed that Hillary was going to kick Bill to the curb in a divorce soon after her election, which would have been a national embarrassment. __________________ Before making up your mind, consider the true motivations of the source.   #54   Nov 13, '16, 12:48 pm Trader Regular Member   Join Date: June 28, 2007 Posts: 3,894 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by JRRTFAN I beg to differ. Had it not been for Al we would not be having this discourse as he is the inventor of the internet. We should show respect for a mind of that caliber. The former Clinton campaign has a new theme song. Roy Clark's famous "Thank God and Greyhound She's Gone". I am not a fan of country music, but I love some of the song titles. This one really seems to fit. It is not the person of Hillary, but the ideology she supports that needs to be continuously fought.   #55   Nov 13, '16, 12:55 pm SuperLuigi Forum Elder   Join Date: August 28, 2012 Posts: 21,610 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Saburo Clinton did win the popular vote, but she only won a plurality. There were three candidates in most states. The majority of voters chose someone other than Clinton. Most voters saw her as a continuation of Obama's policies, and the majority of voters expressed a repudiation of Obama's policies by rejecting her. I'm just sorry it took eight years. BTW, happy BD and Vet's Day, leatherhead. Well, Clinton won the votes counted, not necessarily the entire popular vote. But it doesn't matter. __________________ "The left is no longer liberal"-----Dave Rubin "Social network censorship----SEE HOW FAR THEY GET WITH IT!!!!!" --------from Social Justice the Musical "...censorship begins with me, but will end with you". --Milo Yiannapolous Hate speech = free speech #1A #2A   #56   Nov 13, '16, 1:10 pm SuperLuigi Forum Elder   Join Date: August 28, 2012 Posts: 21,610 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by dshix That's right. It's so refreshing to see these liberals have their ideas thrown in their face and rejected. Only issue is that they won't admit it was their ideas that caused them to fail. They always say, when they lose, that this election "wasn't about ideology", that other factors caused it. The protests and the reaction on-line shows they are doubling down calling "white people" in the heartland racist and shaming minorities. That's part of the reason why they lost states like WI, MI, PA, OH, NC and FL. Personally, I've been called a Tio Tom, a fake Hispanic (as have others I know), a sex abuse faker and a racist all rolled into one (FYI I am not referencing CAF here). Some female students I know involved in College Republicans have been sent some pretty nasty stuff on social media while saying how misogynist Trump is. In any case, the GOP is going to have a lot of material to work with for 2018 and 2020. Lots of clips of burning the flag (on top of the insults I just mentioned) won't sit well with folks in Des Moines, Pittsburgh, Palm Springs, Columbus, Green Bay, LaCrosse, Rhinelander, or MacComb County (MI). Of course, a lot of Democrats do not agree with this behavior, but the party continues to dog whistle to this cultural marxism on college campuses and probably has spent a good chunk of the last 8 years undermining and laughing in their sleeve at the working class while expecting them to foot the bill. I would rather not see anyone rejected, but the left's own arrogance and pride caused this and they are not letting up just as the GOP's pride in 2004 and the Evangelical Right being overly pushy in the 1990s got the better of them. __________________ "The left is no longer liberal"-----Dave Rubin "Social network censorship----SEE HOW FAR THEY GET WITH IT!!!!!" --------from Social Justice the Musical "...censorship begins with me, but will end with you". --Milo Yiannapolous Hate speech = free speech #1A #2A   #57   Nov 13, '16, 4:12 pm DaveBj Veteran Member   Join Date: May 19, 2004 Posts: 10,653 Religion: Catholic, Tiber Swim Team Class of 2005 Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Monte RCMS Is Huma Abedin an operative for Iranian intelligence? If I may stick my nose in, given that she is of South Asian ancestry, I don't think she is. I could be wrong, but that's what I believe. __________________ Author of The Children of the Maker, Kindle Edition   #58   Nov 13, '16, 4:35 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,897 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by DaveBj If I may stick my nose in, given that she is of South Asian ancestry, I don't think she is. I could be wrong, but that's what I believe. is India/Pakistan considered South Asian? __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #59   Nov 13, '16, 4:56 pm DaveBj Veteran Member   Join Date: May 19, 2004 Posts: 10,653 Religion: Catholic, Tiber Swim Team Class of 2005 Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows is India/Pakistan considered South Asian? Yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asia __________________ Author of The Children of the Maker, Kindle Edition   #60   Nov 13, '16, 6:21 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,897 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by DaveBj Yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asia Thanks. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139      Nov 13, '16, 6:29 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,642 Religion: Jewish Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Comey may have played a small role in Hillary Clinton's defeat. But really it was a combination of many factors, not the least being that so many people don't like or trust her and the related factor that she represents the establishment due to her long tenure in the public eye, which was fraught with (alleged) scandal after scandal. Akin to the Chinese calendar, this was the year of the non-politician. The year 2020 will be the year of...who knows?   #62   Nov 13, '16, 6:39 pm gus Regular Member   Join Date: September 24, 2004 Posts: 1,018 Religion: catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by dshix That's right. It's so refreshing to see these liberals have their ideas thrown in their face and rejected. Only issue is that they won't admit it was their ideas that caused them to fail. They always say, when they lose, that this election "wasn't about ideology", that other factors caused it. I've heard the refrain on liberal media it's pathethic If any election was a rejection of policy it was this one. Their message was so bad we elected a Reality TV star with a checkered past. __________________ "Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashionable". G.K. Chesterton ILN 1930   #63   Nov 13, '16, 7:05 pm DaveBj Veteran Member   Join Date: May 19, 2004 Posts: 10,653 Religion: Catholic, Tiber Swim Team Class of 2005 Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows Thanks. __________________ Author of The Children of the Maker, Kindle Edition   #64   Nov 13, '16, 7:06 pm ProVobis Forum Elder   Join Date: January 26, 2008 Posts: 43,235 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by SuperLuigi The protests and the reaction on-line shows they are doubling down calling "white people" in the heartland racist and shaming minorities. That's part of the reason why they lost states like WI, MI, PA, OH, NC and FL. Personally, I've been called a Tio Tom, a fake Hispanic (as have others I know), a sex abuse faker and a racist all rolled into one (FYI I am not referencing CAF here). Some female students I know involved in College Republicans have been sent some pretty nasty stuff on social media while saying how misogynist Trump is. In any case, the GOP is going to have a lot of material to work with for 2018 and 2020. Lots of clips of burning the flag (on top of the insults I just mentioned) won't sit well with folks in Des Moines, Pittsburgh, Palm Springs, Columbus, Green Bay, LaCrosse, Rhinelander, or MacComb County (MI). Of course, a lot of Democrats do not agree with this behavior, but the party continues to dog whistle to this cultural marxism on college campuses and probably has spent a good chunk of the last 8 years undermining and laughing in their sleeve at the working class while expecting them to foot the bill. I would rather not see anyone rejected, but the left's own arrogance and pride caused this and they are not letting up just as the GOP's pride in 2004 and the Evangelical Right being overly pushy in the 1990s got the better of them. Thanks for pointing out 2004. After that the Democrats came back with a vengeance, and even included 60 some bluedogs in the House.   #65   Nov 13, '16, 7:30 pm ProVobis Forum Elder   Join Date: January 26, 2008 Posts: 43,235 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows Al who? Al, the 40 million-dollar-richer guy. And if Clinton were to ever consolidate her emails, that would be a bestseller. Every home should have it.   #66   Nov 13, '16, 7:39 pm SuperLuigi Forum Elder   Join Date: August 28, 2012 Posts: 21,610 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows I don't think choosing Tim Kaine helped either! Kaine was supposed to be the conservative, safe pick. A straight white well-to-do married man from Virginia who dressed like a working class guy was supposed to cement the rust belt, not lose it entirely. But the VP debate really showed a beleaguered Kaine with memorized talking points trying to defend Clinton's record (really, I don't think he even wanted to be there or believed he had to do this at one point) and could not. But then again, who could? Clinton's campaign was in trouble from the start. Although Nate Silver got the election wrong this time, he was right early on years ago: Clinton had very high approval numbers, but there was one direction they could go: down. And down they went, even to the point of losing to one of the seemingly weaker candidates in the field. I don't think (certainly in terms of popular vote) it would have been this close with Rubio or Kasich, who was making New York a swing state. __________________ "The left is no longer liberal"-----Dave Rubin "Social network censorship----SEE HOW FAR THEY GET WITH IT!!!!!" --------from Social Justice the Musical "...censorship begins with me, but will end with you". --Milo Yiannapolous Hate speech = free speech #1A #2A   #67   Nov 13, '16, 7:43 pm SuperLuigi Forum Elder   Join Date: August 28, 2012 Posts: 21,610 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by ProVobis Thanks for pointing out 2004. After that the Democrats came back with a vengeance, and even included 60 some bluedogs in the House. And they can again. As Ben Shapiro notes "Schumer is a clever guy, and he'll consolidate support". The 2 main political parties in our system shouldn't underestimate each other. Rahm Emmanuel declared conservatism dead in 2008 (his state now has a republican governor) and the left was talking about how the GOP was a regional party of the South. Then came 2009 and independents have been voting GOP ever since, even in 2012 breaking for Romney. And now republicans have won states in those dreaded presidential election years they haven't won in 28 years. __________________ "The left is no longer liberal"-----Dave Rubin "Social network censorship----SEE HOW FAR THEY GET WITH IT!!!!!" --------from Social Justice the Musical "...censorship begins with me, but will end with you". --Milo Yiannapolous Hate speech = free speech #1A #2A   #68   Nov 14, '16, 9:25 am gus Regular Member   Join Date: September 24, 2004 Posts: 1,018 Religion: catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by SuperLuigi And they can again. As Ben Shapiro notes "Schumer is a clever guy, and he'll consolidate support". The 2 main political parties in our system shouldn't underestimate each other. Rahm Emmanuel declared conservatism dead in 2008 (his state now has a republican governor) and the left was talking about how the GOP was a regional party of the South. Then came 2009 and independents have been voting GOP ever since, even in 2012 breaking for Romney. And now republicans have won states in those dreaded presidential election years they haven't won in 28 years. Their social agenda overreach and their use of jackboot tactics to inforce their leftist agenda. was their undoing for now. It was a huge defeat for the left but they certainly won't go away as they have the money ,the control of the media and educational system. We have to take back our schools and be a beacon to our children and grandchildren to shine the light on a much better lifestyle than they are presented with. The MSM bias was somewhat negated by the availability of alternate media.but the fight goes on. The Church has to have courage and resolve in the face of admitted subversion.. __________________ "Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashionable". G.K. Chesterton ILN 1930   #69   Nov 15, '16, 1:55 pm Monte RCMS Forum Master   Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,675 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss http://lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=894112 __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth.   #70   Nov 15, '16, 4:49 pm Dwyer Regular Member   Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Clinton blamed her loss on Comey / But we all know that's baloney. __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)   #71   Nov 15, '16, 9:24 pm MaryT777 Forum Master   Join Date: November 23, 2012 Posts: 14,357 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Dwyer Clinton blamed her loss on Comey / But we all know that's baloney. Yep. Tired of people blaming every one else when things don't go their way.   #72   Nov 16, '16, 4:06 am Monte RCMS Forum Master   Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,675 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by MaryT777 Yep. Tired of people blaming every one else when things don't go their way. Comey answered questions truthfully. And she was not at the WTC on 9/11. http://www.lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=894228 __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth.   #73   Nov 16, '16, 4:08 am Monte RCMS Forum Master   Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,675 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by SuperLuigi And they can again. As Ben Shapiro notes "Schumer is a clever guy, and he'll consolidate support". The 2 main political parties in our system shouldn't underestimate each other. Rahm Emmanuel declared conservatism dead in 2008 (his state now has a republican governor) and the left was talking about how the GOP was a regional party of the South. Then came 2009 and independents have been voting GOP ever since, even in 2012 breaking for Romney. And now republicans have won states in those dreaded presidential election years they haven't won in 28 years. Only five states are now fully controlled by Democrats. There are 50 states. How many of those states have a Democrat governor and Democrat state legislature? The number is five. However, it's actually four. In Connecticut there is a tie in the state senate there, and the tiebreaker goes to the Democrats in that case. But in real numbers there are four states that have a legitimate, without using a tiebreaker, Democrat governor and Democrat state legislature. They are Rhode Island and Hawaii, both states you could put in a thimble, and Oregon and California. That's it. Connecticut is number five, if you count the tiebreaker. Now, what constituted this defeat, or what led to it? __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth.   #74   Nov 16, '16, 6:32 am Theo520 Regular Member   Join Date: August 8, 2014 Posts: 5,588 Religion: Christian Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Obama has great stage presence, but as the leader of the Democratic Party, he led them over a cliff these past 8 years. __________________ FACTS MATTER!   #75   Nov 16, '16, 6:46 am stevegravy Regular Member   Join Date: October 18, 2007 Posts: 2,603 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Examined computer models show the lose is attributable to not enough dead voters showed up at the polls. http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-bl...st-t18961.html     Nov 16, '16, 8:24 am ProVobis Forum Elder   Join Date: January 26, 2008 Posts: 43,235 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Monte RCMS Only five states are now fully controlled by Democrats. There are 50 states. How many of those states have a Democrat governor and Democrat state legislature? The number is five. However, it's actually four. In Connecticut there is a tie in the state senate there, and the tiebreaker goes to the Democrats in that case. But in real numbers there are four states that have a legitimate, without using a tiebreaker, Democrat governor and Democrat state legislature. They are Rhode Island and Hawaii, both states you could put in a thimble, and Oregon and California. That's it. Connecticut is number five, if you count the tiebreaker. Now, what constituted this defeat, or what led to it? So amending the Constitution to define life as starting from conception should be no problem, right? Or are you just gloating for the sake of gloating?   #77   Nov 16, '16, 8:37 am edwest2 Forum Elder   Join Date: May 26, 2007 Posts: 26,868 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Faithdancer And isn't that what we're seeing play out right now, with all the comments that anyone who voted for Donald Trump must be "ignorant" or (fill-in-the-blank)-phobic? LOL! We're just tired of being told we have to celebrate perversity and swallow whatever Brave New World social experimentation Kool-Aid the Marxist-Atheist left cooks up! That's the basics. Ed   #78   Nov 16, '16, 4:13 pm Monte RCMS Forum Master   Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,675 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by ProVobis So amending the Constitution to define life as starting from conception should be no problem, right? Or are you just gloating for the sake of gloating? Merely an observation that has been elusive to some. __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth.   #79   Nov 19, '16, 1:21 pm Monte RCMS Forum Master   Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,675 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by SuperLuigi Well, Clinton won the votes counted, not necessarily the entire popular vote. But it doesn't matter. According to a "source", as of five minutes ago, only 93% of the votes are counted so far. And so far, Hillary has a slim lead ... 300,000. Does anyone here have an official source of the actual real-life status of the vote count? Have absentee ballots and military ballots been counted? __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth.   #80   Nov 19, '16, 1:55 pm ProVobis Forum Elder   Join Date: January 26, 2008 Posts: 43,235 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Monte RCMS According to a "source", as of five minutes ago, only 93% of the votes are counted so far. And so far, Hillary has a slim lead ... 300,000. Does anyone here have an official source of the actual real-life status of the vote count? Have absentee ballots and military ballots been counted? Wiki has over 300 sources for its counts and currently Hillary has a 1.3 million vote lead. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...election,_2016 AFAIK, they are still counting the mail-in and absentee ballots. Elsewhere on the page Clinton is projected to be leading by 1.6 million. There seem to be U.S. citizens stationed all over the world. Maybe they should have a separate EV counter for those living outside the U.S. at election time.   #81   Nov 19, '16, 11:21 pm lynnvinc Regular Member   Join Date: May 20, 2010 Posts: 5,182 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by DaveBj http://www.aol.com/article/news/2016...loss/21604255/ Let's see, how can I word this as ambiguously as possible . . . Some people apparently saw his absolution of Secretary Clinton last summer as a dereliction of his duty. Some people might see his actions during the last two weeks of the campaign as his redemption. Some people might. Not all will. There are a host of reasons Clinton did not win, aside from the Comey broadside in the last week; but note that Clinton still won the popular vote, so these were not extremely overwhelming factors, only that the pattern didn't play out for her in the electoral college: 1. Disenfranchisement of minority voters by various state rules and laws -- which has been going on for some time, but for some reason the DNC and mainstream Dems don't bring it up as an issue; you only hear about it in the progressive media. 2. The abortion issue - many voted for Trump who otherwise would not have, because their main issue was abortion and they saw Trump better on that than Clinton. 3. Email leaks of Clinton's staff and the DNC on various issues, such as some anti-Catholic comments and anti-Bernie comments and actions. 4. Personality -- Trump is much more charismatic than Hillary, and a better salesman. 5. Gender - some perhaps still can't quite see a woman as president -- tho this probably didn't count very much. The code word "weak" that Trump used against Clinton was perhaps effective in swaying some to vote for Trump. 6. Racism -- there are still a lot of racists out there. 7. Lack of awareness of environmental issues, especially climate change and even a strong streak of climate change denialism in our society. 8. The "outsider appeal," of dislike and distrust of mainstream politicians -- a belief an outsider businessman might better be able to bring wealth and prosperity to the nation. This appeal was also why Bernie did much better than expected in the primary, even tho he is a senator. Insiders lack a good understanding of economic issues, but I don't think Trump has a better understanding. I think many voters just wanted to try something different and new, hoping it might work. 9. The media. They covered Trump incessantly (and got great ratings for it) -- even negative coverage is good for a candidate, compared to no or less coverage (about what Bernie got). That's what poli sci studies have found. 10. Increasing xenophobia due to terrorism and economic woes. __________________ "The Lord God lives before whom I stand." -- 1 Kings 17:1 "Preach the Gospel at all times and if necessary use words." -- St. Francis of Assisi "I want to spend my Heaven doing good on Earth." -- St. Therese of the Child Jesus   #82   Nov 20, '16, 2:39 am Monte RCMS Forum Master   Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,675 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by lynnvinc There are a host of reasons Clinton did not win, aside from the Comey broadside in the last week; but note that Clinton still won the popular vote, so these were not extremely overwhelming factors, only that the pattern didn't play out for her in the electoral college: 1. Disenfranchisement of minority voters by various state rules and laws -- which has been going on for some time, but for some reason the DNC and mainstream Dems don't bring it up as an issue; you only hear about it in the progressive media. 2. The abortion issue - many voted for Trump who otherwise would not have, because their main issue was abortion and they saw Trump better on that than Clinton. 3. Email leaks of Clinton's staff and the DNC on various issues, such as some anti-Catholic comments and anti-Bernie comments and actions. 4. Personality -- Trump is much more charismatic than Hillary, and a better salesman. 5. Gender - some perhaps still can't quite see a woman as president -- tho this probably didn't count very much. The code word "weak" that Trump used against Clinton was perhaps effective in swaying some to vote for Trump. 6. Racism -- there are still a lot of racists out there. 7. Lack of awareness of environmental issues, especially climate change and even a strong streak of climate change denialism in our society. 8. The "outsider appeal," of dislike and distrust of mainstream politicians -- a belief an outsider businessman might better be able to bring wealth and prosperity to the nation. This appeal was also why Bernie did much better than expected in the primary, even tho he is a senator. Insiders lack a good understanding of economic issues, but I don't think Trump has a better understanding. I think many voters just wanted to try something different and new, hoping it might work. 9. The media. They covered Trump incessantly (and got great ratings for it) -- even negative coverage is good for a candidate, compared to no or less coverage (about what Bernie got). That's what poli sci studies have found. 10. Increasing xenophobia due to terrorism and economic woes. 3. Email leaks of various issues ... including national security. Gross failure to secure classified material. The smallest infraction by a non-entity person results in a year in prison. A four star general is now facing five years in prison. 11. Corruption ... "Clinton Cash" ... hundreds of millions of dollars in "questionable" payments including a complex negotiated sale of half of the U.S. uranium to Russia in return for which Clinton mysteriously comes out of it $140 million richer. The U.S. government uses uranium to make atomic bombs. National Security? Read the book: "Clinton Cash". Is this considered xenophobia? __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth. Last edited by Monte RCMS; Nov 20, '16 at 2:58 am.   #83   Nov 20, '16, 3:06 am Monte RCMS Forum Master   Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,675 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Monte RCMS 3. Email leaks of various issues ... including national security. Gross failure to secure classified material. The smallest infraction by a non-entity person results in a year in prison. A four star general is now facing five years in prison. 11. Corruption ... "Clinton Cash" ... hundreds of millions of dollars in "questionable" payments including a complex negotiated sale of half of the U.S. uranium to Russia in return for which Clinton mysteriously comes out of it $140 million richer. The U.S. government uses uranium to make atomic bombs. National Security? Read the book: "Clinton Cash". Is this considered xenophobia? 12. Mistreatment of women. Books have been written about Mrs. Clinton's attacks on women who had sexual relationships with her husband. Is this considered xenophobia? __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth.   #84   Nov 20, '16, 5:46 am lynnvinc Regular Member   Join Date: May 20, 2010 Posts: 5,182 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Monte RCMS 3. Email leaks of various issues ... including national security. Gross failure to secure classified material. The smallest infraction by a non-entity person results in a year in prison. A four star general is now facing five years in prison. 11. Corruption ... "Clinton Cash" ... hundreds of millions of dollars in "questionable" payments including a complex negotiated sale of half of the U.S. uranium to Russia in return for which Clinton mysteriously comes out of it $140 million richer. The U.S. government uses uranium to make atomic bombs. National Security? Read the book: "Clinton Cash". Is this considered xenophobia? Sorry, but I don't really consider any of these anywhere near Trump's evil-doings, even IF there may be a grain of truth to them. I really don't think there was any national security risk re the private email server....not any more than thru official channels (which are more likely to be hacked, since people knew about them, but they didn't know about Clinton's private server until afterwards). I'll go along with the FBI on that, that there was no real risk to national security and they were the only ones who actually saw the particular private server emails in question. RE uranium, ComEd told me they buy theirs on the spot market, which includes from Niger -- where uranium mining is destroying the pastoralist people and their lands on which they depend for survival. Also uranium mining has been causing havoc in the US, harming Native Americans and our Midwest breadbasket - see http://www.globalresearch.ca/america...-world/5338136. That is the more important story that never gets told. I seriously doubt Hillary Clinton sold uranium to Russia. She just did not have the ability or authority to do so all on her own -- either as a senator, Sec. of State, or 1st Lady. However, I do agree she has not been squeaky clean on dirty resource extraction that harms and kills people -- tho she is much much better on that than Trump, who has vast interests in fossil fuels in the US, Russia, and elsewhere, and will be the one to help tip earth systems into a life-inhospitable regime, ultimately destroying a large portion of humanity and others of God's creation. As mentioned in my #7, lack of environmental awareness swayed the vote from Clinton to Trump. But, yes, the issues you pointed out did have some impact on the election, so we need to also blame Russia and WikiLeaks for their contribution to getting Trump elected and thereby helping to destroy life on earth. A big factor re all the mud slung at Hillary is that Trump has a way of accusing opponents of things he himself is even more guilty of, and get people to buy it wholesale AND get media coverage for it. Bill Clinton was also slick in deflecting criticism, but not nearly as slick as Trump, who is an expert at it AND is amazingly able to put it double onto his opponents. Trump did it during the primaries and in the general election. He is a master deceiver. Hillary not so much so, just an ordinary political-type deceiver that we are pretty much accustomed to and expect in usual campaigns in the candidate's efforts to patch together a motley crew of supporters -- deception we can see thru. Sanders was the most honest and "clean" candidate, and the media refused to cover him much. He was the most diametrically opposite the evils of Trump and perhaps would have done the best job as president. __________________ "The Lord God lives before whom I stand." -- 1 Kings 17:1 "Preach the Gospel at all times and if necessary use words." -- St. Francis of Assisi "I want to spend my Heaven doing good on Earth." -- St. Therese of the Child Jesus   #85   Nov 20, '16, 6:05 am Jeanne S Veteran Member   Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,836 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by lynnvinc Sorry, but I don't really consider any of these anywhere near Trump's evil-doings, even IF there may be a grain of truth to them. I really don't think there was any national security risk re the private email server....not any more than thru official channels (which are more likely to be hacked, since people knew about them, but they didn't know about Clinton's private server until afterwards). I'll go along with the FBI on that, that there was no real risk to national security and they were the only ones who actually saw the particular private server emails in question. RE uranium, ComEd told me they buy theirs on the spot market, which includes from Niger -- where uranium mining is destroying the pastoralist people and their lands on which they depend for survival. Also uranium mining has been causing havoc in the US, harming Native Americans and our Midwest breadbasket - see http://www.globalresearch.ca/america...-world/5338136. That is the more important story that never gets told. I seriously doubt Hillary Clinton sold uranium to Russia. She just did not have the ability or authority to do so all on her own -- either as a senator, Sec. of State, or 1st Lady. However, I do agree she has not been squeaky clean on dirty resource extraction that harms and kills people -- tho she is much much better on that than Trump, who has vast interests in fossil fuels in the US, Russia, and elsewhere, and will be the one to help tip earth systems into a life-inhospitable regime, ultimately destroying a large portion of humanity and others of God's creation. As mentioned in my #7, lack of environmental awareness swayed the vote from Clinton to Trump. But, yes, the issues you pointed out did have some impact on the election, so we need to also blame Russia and WikiLeaks for their contribution to getting Trump elected and thereby helping to destroy life on earth. A big factor re all the mud slung at Hillary is that Trump has a way of accusing opponents of things he himself is even more guilty of, and get people to buy it wholesale AND get media coverage for it. Bill Clinton was also slick in deflecting criticism, but not nearly as slick as Trump, who is an expert at it AND is amazingly able to put it double onto his opponents. Trump did it during the primaries and in the general election. He is a master deceiver. Hillary not so much so, just an ordinary political-type deceiver that we are pretty much accustomed to and expect in usual campaigns in the candidate's efforts to patch together a motley crew of supporters -- deception we can see thru. Sanders was the most honest and "clean" candidate, and the media refused to cover him much. He was the most diametrically opposite the evils of Trump and perhaps would have done the best job as president. Oh My!😳   #86   Nov 20, '16, 6:31 am ProVobis Forum Elder   Join Date: January 26, 2008 Posts: 43,235 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Monte RCMS 3. Email leaks of various issues ... including national security. 11. Corruption How much of this is credible evidence? One admission of fake websites casts into doubt the the credibility of the entire story. So far we have nothing that the FBI and IRS doesn't have.   #87   Nov 20, '16, 6:37 am Paganus Regular Member   Join Date: October 12, 2006 Posts: 630 Religion: Rigid Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Trader Liberals are always surprised to find out that people disagree with them. Hillary and friends just found out that a lot of people disagreed so much that they voted for a deeply flawed candidate instead of her. They seem to be taking this election very hard. The Democrats have not been this angry with Republicans since we freed their slaves. Maybe because, once again, we intend to free their slaves.   #88   Nov 20, '16, 2:54 pm Monte RCMS Forum Master   Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,675 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by lynnvinc Sorry, but I don't really consider any of these anywhere near Trump's evil-doings, even IF there may be a grain of truth to them. I really don't think there was any national security risk re the private email server....not any more than thru official channels (which are more likely to be hacked, since people knew about them, but they didn't know about Clinton's private server until afterwards). I'll go along with the FBI on that, that there was no real risk to national security and they were the only ones who actually saw the particular private server emails in question. RE uranium, ComEd told me they buy theirs on the spot market, which includes from Niger -- where uranium mining is destroying the pastoralist people and their lands on which they depend for survival. Also uranium mining has been causing havoc in the US, harming Native Americans and our Midwest breadbasket - see http://www.globalresearch.ca/america...-world/5338136. That is the more important story that never gets told. I seriously doubt Hillary Clinton sold uranium to Russia. She just did not have the ability or authority to do so all on her own -- either as a senator, Sec. of State, or 1st Lady. However, I do agree she has not been squeaky clean on dirty resource extraction that harms and kills people -- tho she is much much better on that than Trump, who has vast interests in fossil fuels in the US, Russia, and elsewhere, and will be the one to help tip earth systems into a life-inhospitable regime, ultimately destroying a large portion of humanity and others of God's creation. As mentioned in my #7, lack of environmental awareness swayed the vote from Clinton to Trump. But, yes, the issues you pointed out did have some impact on the election, so we need to also blame Russia and WikiLeaks for their contribution to getting Trump elected and thereby helping to destroy life on earth. A big factor re all the mud slung at Hillary is that Trump has a way of accusing opponents of things he himself is even more guilty of, and get people to buy it wholesale AND get media coverage for it. Bill Clinton was also slick in deflecting criticism, but not nearly as slick as Trump, who is an expert at it AND is amazingly able to put it double onto his opponents. Trump did it during the primaries and in the general election. He is a master deceiver. Hillary not so much so, just an ordinary political-type deceiver that we are pretty much accustomed to and expect in usual campaigns in the candidate's efforts to patch together a motley crew of supporters -- deception we can see thru. Sanders was the most honest and "clean" candidate, and the media refused to cover him much. He was the most diametrically opposite the evils of Trump and perhaps would have done the best job as president. CLEARLY, you have never been to Niger to "enjoy" their "pastoralist" life style. __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth.   #89   Nov 23, '16, 2:47 am Monte RCMS Forum Master   Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,675 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss I had to look this up ... because some of the spellings are difficult. tropical+diseases So before any of you all travel to Niger to enjoy their pastoralist life experiences, consider that you will have to "deal" with the following: Chagas disease Updated March 2013 Schistosomiasis March 2013 Leishmaniasis February 2013 Taeniasis/Cysticercosis February 2013 Malaria January 2013 Dengue and severe dengue November 2012 Trypanosomiasis, Human African (sleeping sickness) October 2012 Leprosy September 2012 Buruli ulcer August 2012 Dracunculiasis (guinea-worm disease) August 2012 Ebola haemorrhagic fever August 2012 Cholera July 2012 Soil-transmitted helminth infections June 2012 Rift Valley fever May 2010 source: http://www.who.int/topics/tropical_d...factsheets/en/ __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth. Last edited by Monte RCMS; Nov 23, '16 at 3:01 am.   #90   Nov 23, '16, 2:49 am Monte RCMS Forum Master   Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,675 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss You may also experience the hippopotamus. It will run you down, bite you in half, and stomp you into the dust. However, it will not eat you. __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth.   Nov 28, '16, 7:36 am Monte RCMS Forum Master   Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,675 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Clinton campaign blames James Comey for election loss Quote: Originally Posted by Paganus They seem to be taking this election very hard. The Democrats have not been this angry with Republicans since we freed their slaves. Maybe because, once again, we intend to free their slaves. Based on the recount rhetoric, this seems to be true. Gore lost Florida by a mere 570 +/- votes, so Gore should have been granted victory. But Hillary lost Pennsylvania by 70,000 votes, Wisconsin by 25,000, and lost Michigan by 10,000 votes. The Democrats manipulate your emotions, make impossible promises and steal your money. Stein will collect $7 million for the recount, spend only $2 million and pocket $5 million. __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth.