Re: Meet Jay Sekulow, A Jewish-Born Believer In Jesus, On Trump’s Legal Team
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Originally Posted by Tis Bearself
He is a top Supreme Court advocate who
argues a great many First Amendment cases dealing with religious
freedom. He has also appeared in the National Law Journal's Top Lawyer
lists. Of course the media who dislikes Trump will now try to paint him
as some kind of a nut, but he is very smart and not sleazy in the least.
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Sorry. My impression watching him speak and argue in a circular
way wasn't impressive in the least. I'm sure he is ordinarily a fine
lawyer that was having a bad day.
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Sorry. My impression watching him speak
and argue in a circular way wasn't impressive in the least. I'm sure he
is ordinarily a fine lawyer that was having a bad day.
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It was really being guided by the intentional misunderstanding of
Chris Wallace. What Mr. Seculow did was common in academia and (I
presume) legal circles of taking a hypothetical point and discussing the
realistic or appropriate ramifications.
He told Chris Wallace "let me give you the legal analysis" at which time
he was switching to a hypothetical "if the President were under
investigation, then.....". While it is understandable Chris Wallace may
not have understood that initially, once Jay Sekulow explained, he
should have taken the answer and moved on. Instead, he decided to get
bogged in the weeds and blow an interview.
Chuck Todd on one of the other stations did the same: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h3Y0Zg7quPQ
And a similar interview with Jake Tapper: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dL4i1e0EhrY
In each, making the same points.
BTW~ Jay Sekoluw is really a tremendous defender of religious rights and
we should all be praying for him and the rest of the legal team.
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Re: Meet Jay Sekulow, A Jewish-Born Believer In Jesus, On Trump’s Legal Team
Many good lawyers do not come off very well when put in a position of
speaking to a large mass non-legal audience. Their skills tend to be in
presenting to judges and to other lawyers. The handful of lawyers who
can speak very well to the viewing public have generally put a lot of
time and effort into developing that skill, and often being a "legal
consultant" on air is a large part of their bread and butter.
I am sure that media would be very inclined to make Jay look bad and
stupid because he (a) often represents religious causes and (b) is now
Trump's lawyer. His reputation within the legal profession will stand,
however, regardless of what the media does. I haven't watched the video
as I'm sure it will just annoy me like most legal coverage apart from
SCOTUSBlog tends to do, but I'll have to take a look, I guess.
Edited to add, I watched a few minutes of it and I read the transcript.
Yeah, he didn't do too well there. Talked too fast, presented a
hypothetical that a bench of judges would have followed (or interrupted
him) but the viewing audience couldn't follow. His Meet the Press
interview was better. Hopefully if he has to make a lot of these
appearances he will get some coaching.
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Re: Meet Jay Sekulow, A Jewish-Born Believer In Jesus, On Trump’s Legal Team
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Wow. Did he come across as incredibly bad with Chris Wallace yesterday!
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No Chris Wallace came off bad! Talk about dense!!!
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Not at all.
I though Wallace showed he has the more liberal bent of his father Mike, if anything.
Sekulow is extremely sharp and does a lot of great work. He's an asset for Trump.
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I like Jay. He is an asset for the Trump side!
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Re: Meet Jay Sekulow, A Jewish-Born Believer In Jesus, On Trump’s Legal Team
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Sorry. My impression watching him speak
and argue in a circular way wasn't impressive in the least. I'm sure he
is ordinarily a fine lawyer that was having a bad day.
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No he couldn't help it being interviewed by a host who was either
confused, trying to confuse the listeners or trying to get Jay to state
an untrue fact. Jay was losing patience with Chris Wallace. And he had
every right to. Jay had to explain over and over about Trump's tweet.
Chris just was not happy with the answer he was getting so he hope if he
kept bullying Jay he would get him to say what he wanted. Jay succeeded
in making Chris Wallace look like a fool.
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Re: Meet Jay Sekulow, A Jewish-Born Believer In Jesus, On Trump’s Legal Team
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It was really being guided by the
intentional misunderstanding of Chris Wallace. What Mr. Seculow did was
common in academia and (I presume) legal circles of taking a
hypothetical point and discussing the realistic or appropriate
ramifications.
He told Chris Wallace "let me give you the legal analysis" at which time
he was switching to a hypothetical "if the President were under
investigation, then.....". While it is understandable Chris Wallace may
not have understood that initially, once Jay Sekulow explained, he
should have taken the answer and moved on. Instead, he decided to get
bogged in the weeds and blow an interview.
Chuck Todd on one of the other stations did the same: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h3Y0Zg7quPQ
And a similar interview with Jake Tapper: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dL4i1e0EhrY
In each, making the same points.
BTW~ Jay Sekoluw is really a tremendous defender of religious rights and
we should all be praying for him and the rest of the legal team. |
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Re: Meet Jay Sekulow, A Jewish-Born Believer In Jesus, On Trump’s Legal Team
I saw this interview. A few things stuck out in my memory. Early on he
said the President did not know of any investigation against him. Within
about 30s he clearly contradicted himself on the topic. It was clear
that Chris was frustrated by this sort of contradiction, the mushy
answers he was giving, and I think he felt his and his audience's time
was being wasted. He was basically saying that you've been rolled out as
a spokesman for the President and yet you say you haven't been in
communication with the President and then fall behind claiming client
attorney privilege to cover that up. I'm sorry but Chris had him there.
I do hold Chris in high regard. He seems to be among handful of
journalists, like say Anderson Cooper, who whatever their personal
beliefs, can quickly dissect an argument and push their interviee
towards explaining inconsistencies. I also like that he seems to have
his own mind.
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Re: Meet Jay Sekulow, A Jewish-Born Believer In Jesus, On Trump’s Legal Team
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I saw this interview. A few things stuck
out in my memory. Early on he said the President did not know of any
investigation against him. Within about 30s he clearly contradicted
himself on the topic. It was clear that Chris was frustrated by this
sort of contradiction, the mushy answers he was giving, and I think he
felt his and his audience's time was being wasted. He was basically
saying that you've been rolled out as a spokesman for the President and
yet you say you haven't been in communication with the President and
then fall behind claiming client attorney privilege to cover that up.
I'm sorry but Chris had him there.
I do hold Chris in high regard. He seems to be among handful of
journalists, like say Anderson Cooper, who whatever their personal
beliefs, can quickly dissect an argument and push their interviee
towards explaining inconsistencies. I also like that he seems to have
his own mind.
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Did you really watch the interview? Chris was trying to set him up and failed.
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It was really being guided by the
intentional misunderstanding of Chris Wallace. What Mr. Seculow did was
common in academia and (I presume) legal circles of taking a
hypothetical point and discussing the realistic or appropriate
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Thanks for explaining because I was having trouble understanding and thought Chris Wallace was correct.
Chris Wallace I think is quite neutral in his professional presentation and these people are needed.
I do detect an anti-Trump bias though that is not aggressive but forms
part of the basis of his mindset which is being reflected in his
comments and questioning.
However I don't expect him any time soon to claim Trump supporters would
defend the President taking a dump on his desk. He certainly has more
professional integrity than that. 
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Thanks for explaining because I was having trouble understanding and thought Chris Wallace was correct.
Chris Wallace I think is quite neutral in his professional presentation and these people are needed.
I do detect an anti-Trump bias though that is not aggressive but forms
part of the basis of his mindset which is being reflected in his
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I agree. I definitely saw the bias in his questioning and I noticed it when he was the
moderator at one of the debates.
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I agree. I definitely saw the bias in his questioning and I noticed it when he was the
moderator at one of the debates.
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I am assuming he and Megan Kelly are friends.
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You might be right! Chris and Megan might be buddies.
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Re: Meet Jay Sekulow, A Jewish-Born Believer In Jesus, On Trump’s Legal Team
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Mike Wallace was liberal in the
old-fashioned, good, admirable sense of the word, the same way as my
parents and I were also "liberal" back in the day.
The word means something else now. I also tend to define myself as a "moderate" now.
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I still identify as a classic liberal but I disagree with the
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Re: Meet Jay Sekulow, A Jewish-Born Believer In Jesus, On Trump’s Legal Team
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No Chris Wallace came off bad! Talk about dense!!!
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I'm not saying that Chris Wallace isn't dense - I'm just saying
that Sekulow did a bad job of explaining his point and generally losing
his cool made him look like a nut (sorry, but it did).
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I'm not saying that Chris Wallace isn't
dense - I'm just saying that Sekulow did a bad job of explaining his
point and generally losing his cool made him look like a nut (sorry, but
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So what we have here is a dense reporter questioning a nut? Sounds like a draw to me.
I did not watch the interview so cannot offer anything of substance.
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So what we have here is a dense reporter questioning a nut? Sounds like a draw to me.
I did not watch the interview so cannot offer anything of substance.
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It's pretty confusing. Wallace kept trying to get Sekulow to talk
about whether Trump was under investigation and Sekulow seemed to lose
his temper. If you like trainwrecks or Russian car crash videos, this
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So what we have here is a dense reporter questioning a nut? Sounds like a draw to me.
I did not watch the interview so cannot offer anything of substance.
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OMG that is so funny!
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Re: Meet Jay Sekulow, A Jewish-Born Believer In Jesus, On Trump’s Legal Team
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I saw this interview. A few things stuck
out in my memory. Early on he said the President did not know of any
investigation against him. Within about 30s he clearly contradicted
himself on the topic. It was clear that Chris was frustrated by this
sort of contradiction, the mushy answers he was giving, and I think he
felt his and his audience's time was being wasted. He was basically
saying that you've been rolled out as a spokesman for the President and
yet you say you haven't been in communication with the President and
then fall behind claiming client attorney privilege to cover that up.
I'm sorry but Chris had him there
I do hold Chris in high regard. He seems to be among handful of
journalists, like say Anderson Cooper, who whatever their personal
beliefs, can quickly dissect an argument and push their interviee
towards explaining inconsistencies. I also like that he seems to have
his own mind.
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I think Jay was being very careful to not do something which could
be interpreted later as having broken the cover of attorney /client
privilege. It could have repercussions in procedings in the future.
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I'm not saying that Chris Wallace isn't
dense - I'm just saying that Sekulow did a bad job of explaining his
point and generally losing his cool made him look like a nut (sorry, but
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He lost his temper because Chris Wallace kept trying to
intentionally twist what Jay was saying. Jay's answer made perfect sense
to me, but Chris kept intentionally
trying to get Jay to admit to something that was not true. I think Jay had to explain it
at least 5 times. Chris Wallace is probably still trying to figure out what happened.
Jay did not look like a but. He was angry with the question and had reason to be.
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It's pretty confusing. Wallace kept
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It was a tweet by Trump in response to a Washington Post article that confused everyone.
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He lost his temper because Chris Wallace
kept trying to intentionally twist what Jay was saying. Jay's answer
made perfect sense to me, but Chris kept intentionally
trying to get Jay to admit to something that was not true. I think Jay had to explain it
at least 5 times. Chris Wallace is probably still trying to figure out what happened.
Jay did not look like a but. He was angry with the question and had reason to be.
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It was a tweet by Trump in response to a Washington Post article that confused everyone.
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And this was obvious to everyone how?
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Yes, I agree, he did look quite foolish and ill-composed.
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sorry! my post was supposed to say NUT not BUT towards the end.
that was my sloppy typing. I don't think I can blame it on spellcheck-I
was just in a hurry. 
Yes Chris did look foolish and flustered. I agree! 
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sorry! my post was supposed to say NUT
not BUT towards the end. that was my sloppy typing. I don't think I can
blame it on spellcheck-I was just in a hurry.
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I thought Chris was keeping his composure better than Jay was, but
he is more experienced being on TV. That said, Jay should be well
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I thought Chris was keeping his composure
better than Jay was, but he is more experienced being on TV. That said,
Jay should be well practiced in court, so I would expect more of him
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Maybe because Jay was NOT in his natural environment, the
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Maybe because Jay was NOT in his natural
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awkward, atypical situation for him.
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That and I think he felt Chris was trying to ensnare him!
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