Re: What's at stake in the US election: Supreme Court
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Originally Posted by Monte RCMS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...-life_movement
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The rescue: A "rescue operation" involves pro-life activists blocking
the entrances to an abortion clinic in order to prevent anyone from
entering. The stated goal of this practice is to force the clinic to
shut down for the day. Often, the protesters are removed by law
enforcement. Some clinics were protested so heavily in this fashion that
they closed down permanently. "The rescue" was first attempted by Operation Rescue. Ever since President Bill Clinton
signed the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act into law, the
rescue has become prohibitively expensive, and has rarely been
attempted.
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I don't agree with blocking entrances to abortion clinics, I would work to have them legally shut down. But not block entrances.
Fining an elderly woman silently praying outside an abortion clinic, not
blocking the entrance or anything, definitely crosses the line I
believe though.
I hope this has helped
God Bless You
Thank you for reading
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Re: What's at stake in the US election: Supreme Court
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Those are tactics they will use, any pro-life speech will be
classified as hate speech, said to be attacking women who have had or
seek an abortion, which will be classified as 'settled law' under
Clinton, and deemed a constitutional and fundamental 'right' 
God Bless You
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Re: What's at stake in the US election: Supreme Court
While I agree the Supreme Court is extremely important in this election,
lets not forget about the hundreds upon hundreds of lower level judges
and high and low level bureaucrats that are appointed by the president
that have much to do with Americans every day lives. Things like the
recent push to force all public schools to let students use any bathroom
they "identify" with despite their actual physical gender did not come
from the very top but from bureaucrats at lower levels. While the names
on the ballot just list president and vice president you are really
voting for those people and everyone they appoint in both the judicial
and executive branches.
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Re: What's at stake in the US election: Supreme Court
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Originally Posted by Xystus
While I agree the Supreme Court is
extremely important in this election, lets not forget about the hundreds
upon hundreds of lower level judges and high and low level bureaucrats
that are appointed by the president that have much to do with Americans
every day lives. Things like the recent push to force all public schools
to let students use any bathroom they "identify" with despite their
actual physical gender did not come from the very top but from
bureaucrats at lower levels. While the names on the ballot just list
president and vice president you are really voting for those people and
everyone they appoint in both the judicial and executive branches.
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Keep in mind also that if Clinton wins, those courts will have
filled vacancies in at least 20 of 28 years. (two Bill Clinton terms,
two Obama terms, plus *at least* one Hillary Clinton term with eight
years sandwiched in between of Bush).
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Re: What's at stake in the US election: Supreme Court
Sing a little louder - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofcs9Y7qL4s
And all it takes is a vote. One candidate who has a pro-life platform,
has a real chance of winning if people only vote for them.
Others candidates, while some are very good, unfortunately, have practically no chance of succeeding imho.
"For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world."
Thank you for reading
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Re: What's at stake in the US election: Supreme Court
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I don't agree with blocking entrances to abortion clinics, I would work to have them legally shut down. But not block entrances.
Fining an elderly woman silently praying outside an abortion clinic, not
blocking the entrance or anything, definitely crosses the line I
believe though.
I hope this has helped
God Bless You
Thank you for reading
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We do not block the entrance to the clinic. The law forbids this
type of activity. We do, however stand on the nearby sidewalk and pray
our rosary. We are silent witnesses and do no harm to anyone. You would
be surprised to know just how many people have had a change of heart
just knowing that others care. We then direct them across the street to a
pregnancy center where they can receive REAL help.
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Re: What's at stake in the US election: Supreme Court
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We do not block the entrance to the
clinic. The law forbids this type of activity. We do, however stand on
the nearby sidewalk and pray our rosary. We are silent witnesses and do
no harm to anyone. You would be surprised to know just how many people
have had a change of heart just knowing that others care. We then direct
them across the street to a pregnancy center where they can receive
REAL help.
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 That's excellent.
God Bless You Abundantly.
Unfortunately, in Australia they are now fining people for doing just that.
And if Clinton is elected, no doubt it will become much worse. In the U.S and abroad.
"For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world."
Thank you for reading
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Re: What's at stake in the US election: Supreme Court
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.The next President could foreseeably appoint four U.S. Supreme Court Justices.
Pity the innocent unborn child.
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We have ceded too much of our culture to government. Focusing so
heavily on occupying the Supreme Court, which has been the focus of the
pro-life movement since 1976, runs counter to every bit of political
theology in the New Testament.
What did Jesus say when the "sons of thunder" asked to sit at his right hand? (Mark 10:25-35)
"You
know that those who are recognized as rulers over the Gentiles lord it
over them, and their great ones make their authority over them felt. But
it shall not be so among you. Rather, whoever wishes to be great among
you will be your servant; 44whoever wishes to be first among you will be
the slave of all."
What did our Lord say when Pilate asked him if he was a king? (John 18:36)
"My kingdom does not belong to this world. If my kingdom
did belong to this world, my attendants [would] be fighting to keep me
from being handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my kingdom is not
here"
How did St. Paul lead off his instructions to the Romans about government? (Romans 13:1-8)
"Let every person be subordinate to the higher
authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that
exist have been established by God."
How did 1 Peter describe interactions with politics? (1 Peter 2:13-17)
"Be subject to every human institution for the Lord’s
sake, whether it be to the king as supreme or to governors as sent by
him for the punishment of evildoers and the approval of those who do
good. For it is the will of God that by doing good you may silence the
ignorance of foolish people. Be free, yet without using freedom as a
pretext for evil, but as slaves of God. Give honor to all, love the
community, fear God, honor the king."
I could go on. But for this particular election, let me reiterate the
point I've made before: voting for Donald Trump, even him appointing
FOUR entirely pro-life justices to the Supreme Court, is unlikely to do
anything to reduce abortion from current levels and may actually
increase it. Here's a nutshell of that argument: http://forums.catholic.com/showthrea...0#post14257730
As to the other issues, Christ is king, and all power on Heaven and
Earth has been given to him. So what did he tell us to do? (Matthew
28:16-20)
"Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations,
baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the
holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you"
That's not partisan politics. It's evangelism. It's that, not political
maneuvers, that caused Christianity to take over the Roman Empire.
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Re: What's at stake in the US election: Supreme Court
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We have ceded too much of our culture to
government. Focusing so heavily on occupying the Supreme Court, which
has been the focus of the pro-life movement since 1976, runs counter to
every bit of political theology in the New Testament.
That's not partisan politics. It's evangelism. It's that, not political
maneuvers, that caused Christianity to take over the Roman Empire.
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Can't it be both? I see people working on both, and I don't think it takes away from either aspect.
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Re: What's at stake in the US election: Supreme Court
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Originally Posted by Used2beSherryG
We do not block the entrance to the
clinic. The law forbids this type of activity. We do, however stand on
the nearby sidewalk and pray our rosary. We are silent witnesses and do
no harm to anyone. You would be surprised to know just how many people
have had a change of heart just knowing that others care. We then direct
them across the street to a pregnancy center where they can receive
REAL help.
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Unless there's a "buffer zone" which prohibits people from protesting within so many feet of the facility.
Massachusetts had a buffer zone and it was struck down by the Supreme Court:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/abortion...supreme-court/
And I can guess whose side Hillary Clinton and her Supreme Court would be on.
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Re: What's at stake in the US election: Supreme Court
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That's not partisan politics. It's
evangelism. It's that, not political maneuvers, that caused Christianity
to take over the Roman Empire.
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Actually it's both. Both Evangelism and Politics.
I believe your forgetting we live in a democracy, would you have said
the same if it were a Democratic Roman election between Constantine the
Great, Maximian and Licinius?
It wasn't democratic, and God used Constantine the Great to defeat
Maximian and Licinius and then legalize Christianity in the Roman Empire
after the Diocletian persecutions with the Edict of Milan.
I hope this has helped
God Bless You
Thank you for reading
Josh
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Re: What's at stake in the US election: Supreme Court
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Can't it be both? I see people working on both, and I don't think it takes away from either aspect.
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I see partisan politics as getting in the way of both.
I'm to campaign to my friends and family for a man who mocked a reporter
with hand gestures similar to my cognitively-disabled cousin and then
turn around and call them to repentance? I'm to hand them a rosary and
tell them "one good reason" to be Catholic (as St. Paul Street
Evangelization does), and then have to defend a candidate who calls
women fat cows, just because he recently committed to being pro-life?
I'm to tell my friend who gets an asthma attack when her car gets stuck
behind smoking diesel bus, and then say that Trump's promise to abolish
the EPA is fine because he's going to protect the unborn?
So I guess my answer is that no, we can't do both, at least in this
election. I can't be a credible witness to the love of Christ by hawking
Trump or Clinton, or any politician for that matter.
If you look at my link in my last post, I make a more general case that
there is very little evidence that overturning Roe v. Wade will reduce
abortion rates. So if we are serious about abortion, we need to change
the culture and not claim that voting for the Court is going to do it
for us.
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Re: What's at stake in the US election: Supreme Court
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I see partisan politics as getting in the way of both.
I'm to campaign to my friends and family for a man who mocked a reporter
with hand gestures similar to my cognitively-disabled cousin and then
turn around and call them to repentance? I'm to hand them a rosary and
tell them "one good reason" to be Catholic (as St. Paul Street
Evangelization does), and then have to defend a candidate who calls
women fat cows, just because he recently committed to being pro-life?
I'm to tell my friend who gets an asthma attack when her car gets stuck
behind smoking diesel bus, and then say that Trump's promise to abolish
the EPA is fine because he's going to protect the unborn?
So I guess my answer is that no, we can't do both, at least in this
election. I can't be a credible witness to the love of Christ by hawking
Trump or Clinton, or any politician for that matter.
If you look at my link in my last post, I make a more general case that
there is very little evidence that overturning Roe v. Wade will reduce
abortion rates. So if we are serious about abortion, we need to change
the culture and not claim that voting for the Court is going to do it
for us.
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So, one is prepared to support and promote elective abortion and
utter corruption because the opposing candidate has said vulgar things?
If, indeed, one is disabled, one ought to reflect on the fact that the
Dems have controlled the white house for eight years, and had total
control of the government for two of them, and what did they do for the
disabled? Nothing. One should reflect on the fact that SSI still
requires that one be reduced to total poverty and the benefit is
something like $700/month. The Dems could have improved that, but didn't
care. No, instead, they gave subsidies to the well-to-do with "cash for
clunkers", destroying in the process the vehicles upon which poor
people depend.
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Re: What's at stake in the US election: Supreme Court
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10th Amendment ... authority NOT Federal jurisdiction.
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Indeed.
Although I see a constitutional convention and amendment which clarifies the 10th Amendment as the only way back to that.
Referendums on the ballots may work to some extent too.
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Re: What's at stake in the US election: Supreme Court
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I see partisan politics as getting in the way of both.
I'm to campaign to my friends and family for a man who mocked a reporter
with hand gestures similar to my cognitively-disabled cousin and then
turn around and call them to repentance? I'm to hand them a rosary and
tell them "one good reason" to be Catholic (as St. Paul Street
Evangelization does), and then have to defend a candidate who calls
women fat cows, just because he recently committed to being pro-life?
I'm to tell my friend who gets an asthma attack when her car gets stuck
behind smoking diesel bus, and then say that Trump's promise to abolish
the EPA is fine because he's going to protect the unborn?
So I guess my answer is that no, we can't do both, at least in this
election. I can't be a credible witness to the love of Christ by hawking
Trump or Clinton, or any politician for that matter.
If you look at my link in my last post, I make a more general case that
there is very little evidence that overturning Roe v. Wade will reduce
abortion rates. So if we are serious about abortion, we need to change
the culture and not claim that voting for the Court is going to do it
for us.
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Evangelization is important; but politics are important too.
The abortion policy of our government is controlled by politics.
You are supposed to take your Catholic principles and apply them to civic life, not shut out the world.
One thing is for sure: if you sit and take no action politically, nothing is going to change at all.
In regard to what some candidate said or a federal government agency
disappearing, what about the 954,000 or more murdered innocent unborn
children killed every year by abortion?
That is a lot of Death.
Abortion involves murder.
All that Death is a lot more offensive and destructive and criminal in
the hierarchy of Catholic values than insults some candidate uttered.
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Re: What's at stake in the US election: Supreme Court
I heard that Obama could be appointed. 
Still doesn't move me to vote for Trump though.
Evan McMillian for President!
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Re: What's at stake in the US election: Supreme Court
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Actually it's both. Both Evangelism and Politics.
I believe your forgetting we live in a democracy, would you have said
the same if it were a Democratic Roman election between Constantine the
Great, Maximian and Licinius?
It wasn't democratic, and God used Constantine the Great to defeat
Maximian and Licinius and then legalize Christianity in the Roman Empire
after the Diocletian persecutions with the Edict of Milan.
I hope this has helped
God Bless You
Thank you for reading
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We live in a Republic.
The word "democracy" appears in NONE of our founding documents.
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Re: What's at stake in the US election: Supreme Court
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Originally Posted by Xystus
While I agree the Supreme Court is
extremely important in this election, lets not forget about the hundreds
upon hundreds of lower level judges and high and low level bureaucrats
that are appointed by the president that have much to do with Americans
every day lives. Things like the recent push to force all public schools
to let students use any bathroom they "identify" with despite their
actual physical gender did not come from the very top but from
bureaucrats at lower levels. While the names on the ballot just list
president and vice president you are really voting for those people and
everyone they appoint in both the judicial and executive branches.
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Not just bathrooms.
You cannot teach about Christianity in public schools ... but you MUST teach about Islam.
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Re: What's at stake in the US election: Supreme Court
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So, one is prepared to support and
promote elective abortion and utter corruption because the opposing
candidate has said vulgar things?
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Absolutely not. I am not voting for either Clinton or Trump. I
have made the case elsewhere that under the consideration of
proportionality spelled out in the Ratzinger 2004 memo, the predicted
lack of significant effect of overturning Roe v. Wade on U.S. abortion
rates (based on statistical evidence alone) means that we can and should
think, with prayerful prudence, about issues other than abortion.
For me, there are also large policy issues at stake. Trump's seeming
tolerance/ encouragement of nuclear proliferation by nations such as
South Korea and Japan, his seeming admiration for Russian and Turkish
strongmen who seize land that is not their own (Ukraine, Syria, and
Iraq), his promise to finance his wall by seizing remittances to Mexico
from immigrants whose families rely on them to stay out of extreme
poverty, promise to use the government to support more oil and coal
development, among other policies, are quite important issues, in
aggregate.
Trump's demeanor and behavior are certainly relevant if "culture of life" has any meaning outside of "outlawing abortion."
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If, indeed, one is disabled, one ought to reflect on the fact that the
Dems have controlled the white house for eight years, and had total
control of the government for two of them, and what did they do for the
disabled? Nothing. One should reflect on the fact that SSI still
requires that one be reduced to total poverty and the benefit is
something like $700/month. The Dems could have improved that, but didn't
care. No, instead, they gave subsidies to the well-to-do with "cash for
clunkers", destroying in the process the vehicles upon which poor
people depend.
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I'm not going to defend the Democrats, but will only point out
that we have had divided government for most of the last eight years.
I have two people in my family who are disabled, including one who makes
hand motions like those mimed by Trump. Giving the bully pulpit to a
man who so flippantly treated a disabled person with such indignity is a
major issue for me.
As I said, "culture of life" must mean more than just "pro-life Supreme
Court." Or we will accomplish nothing, or very close to it, in reducing
abortion and other ills.
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Re: What's at stake in the US election: Supreme Court
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In regard to what some candidate said or a
federal government agency disappearing, what about the 954,000 or more
murdered innocent unborn children killed every year by abortion?
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Please, read what I wrote in this earlier post, and tell me what makes you think voting is going to help much, if at all: http://forums.catholic.com/showthrea...0#post14257730
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All that Death is a lot more offensive and destructive and criminal in
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It's not just insults. It's defining what we mean by "culture of life."
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Re: What's at stake in the US election: Supreme Court
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All that Death is a lot more offensive
and destructive and criminal in the hierarchy of Catholic values than
insults some candidate uttered.
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Except that insults are much more visible. But you're right.
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Not just bathrooms.
You cannot teach about Christianity in public schools ... but you MUST teach about Islam.
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This isn't true.
My son is in public high school. In global studies they had a lesson on
the various global religions. Christianity was discussed respectfully,
as was Judaism and Islam.
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