Election 2016: A supremely important decision [CNA]

Nov 4, '16, 11:10 am

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Election 2016: A supremely important decision [CNA] Irondale, Ala., Nov 4, 2016 / 11:51 am (CNA/EWTN News).- Among the first acts of the next president of the United States will be the appointment of a new justice for the U.S. Supreme Court, comprised currently of eight members since the February death of Associate Justice Antonin Scalia. In the short term, the new president will appoint Scalia’s successor — someone who will be a deciding factor in whether Catholic entities like EWTN and the Little Sisters of the Poor should be forced by the federal government to violate their religious beliefs by providing contraception and abortifacient drugs in their health insurance plans. The new justice will also help decide whether or not a Virginia girl, who now identifies as a boy, should be allowed access to the restroom that corresponds with her self-chosen sexual identity. We have already witnessed the Supreme Court redefine marriage. With another liberal activist on board, we will witness the court redefine discrimination to include sexual identity. No doubt, we will also see the court continue down the path of further chipping away at our constitutional rights to religious liberty, freedom of expression and so much more. In the long term, there perhaps will be no other more important decision made by our next president than who will be nominated to the Supreme Court. A new president with a pro-life commitment will be able to shape the future of a court that will help the United States avoid the disaster of this culture of narcissism and death and move toward one that more resembles what the Founding Fathers established. On the other hand, a new president with the opposite agenda will continue to perilously lead the United States along a path that cheapens life and demeans and threatens people of faith. In the last of the presidential debates, both candidates made it abundantly clear where they stand on the issue of respect for life. As we step into the voting booth on Tuesday, we are faced with a supremely important decision. Let us be clear in making that decision — there is no issue more important than respect for the dignity of human life. May God bless you, and may God bless the United States of America. Full article... __________________ This is an automated news feed from a generally-reliable Catholic source. Should the content fall outside CAF guidelines, please do not hesitate to report it using the Report Post icon. * * * * * * * * * Discussion welcomed and encouraged. Last edited by Robert Bay; Nov 4, '16 at 11:34 am.

#2   Nov 4, '16, 1:14 pm

Neofight Banned Join Date: December 28, 2011 Posts: 4,197 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: Election 2016: A supremely important decision [CNA] Why the veiled innuendo? Not that i would follow the advice of any news service, why doesn't CNA just come out and say, Tromp is good, Clinton is bad, vote for Trump...implicit or explicit it's shameless none the less.

#3   Nov 4, '16, 1:36 pm

chero23 Forum Master Join Date: November 12, 2012 Posts: 15,743 Religion: Catholic

Re: Election 2016: A supremely important decision [CNA] Quote: Originally Posted by Neofight Why the veiled innuendo? Not that i would follow the advice of any news service, why doesn't CNA just come out and say, Tromp is good, Clinton is bad, vote for Trump...implicit or explicit it's shameless none the less. Why trump? People here are mad bc of what Hillary said in the emails about the Catholic Church, but back when pope Francis went to Mexico, there was Bickering between trump and the Vatican. Why defend a guy who went after the pope? Aren't we catholic first? Or do we defend anybody whose a republican? __________________ Check out my Catholic Apologetic Booklet. 121 themes/doctrines, 5,200 Bible Verses, 192 pages. English https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...bFU/edit?pli=1 Spanish https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...M2c/edit?pli=1 Let others know about my booklet.

#4   Nov 4, '16, 1:37 pm

twf Regular Member Join Date: May 18, 2004 Posts: 5,830 Religion: Catholic (former Evangelical Protestant)

Re: Election 2016: A supremely important decision [CNA] Quote: Originally Posted by Neofight Why the veiled innuendo? Not that i would follow the advice of any news service, why doesn't CNA just come out and say, Tromp is good, Clinton is bad, vote for Trump...implicit or explicit it's shameless none the less. Yep, no one could read this article without coming away with the author's obvious implied conclusion: its your duty as a Catholic to vote for Trump. At least one US bishop has come out and said that no Catholic is obliged to vote for either candidate. I'm not an American, but as I have expressed multiple times now on this board, I could not vote for either in good conscience. I would focus on worthy individual pro-life senators who are not otherwise morally repulsive (as Trump is) - does that not address the Supreme Court nomination argument? The president can't act without the senate.

#5   Nov 4, '16, 1:41 pm

chero23 Forum Master Join Date: November 12, 2012 Posts: 15,743 Religion: Catholic

Re: Election 2016: A supremely important decision [CNA] Exactly. This article is really biased and basically telling people how to vote. __________________ Check out my Catholic Apologetic Booklet. 121 themes/doctrines, 5,200 Bible Verses, 192 pages. English https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...bFU/edit?pli=1 Spanish https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...M2c/edit?pli=1 Let others know about my booklet.

#6   Nov 4, '16, 1:42 pm

Padres1969 Regular Member Join Date: October 28, 2015 Posts: 5,291 Religion: Episcopalian

Re: Election 2016: A supremely important decision [CNA] Quote: Originally Posted by Neofight Why the veiled innuendo? Not that i would follow the advice of any news service, why doesn't CNA just come out and say, Tromp is good, Clinton is bad, vote for Trump...implicit or explicit it's shameless none the less. Because the Bishop of CAF's own diocese (San Diego) just warned against doing that? http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...103-story.html https://millennialjournal.com/2016/1...e-common-good/

#7   Nov 4, '16, 1:49 pm

lmachine Regular Member Join Date: March 8, 2016 Posts: 1,999 Religion: Catholic

Re: Election 2016: A supremely important decision [CNA] Quote: Originally Posted by Neofight Why the veiled innuendo? Not that i would follow the advice of any news service, why doesn't CNA just come out and say, Tromp is good, Clinton is bad, vote for Trump...implicit or explicit it's shameless none the less. They're a 501(c)(3) nonprofit (or still should be at least, they merged with EWTN or something). They can't endorse candidates.

#8   Nov 4, '16, 1:50 pm

chero23 Forum Master Join Date: November 12, 2012 Posts: 15,743 Religion: Catholic

Re: Election 2016: A supremely important decision [CNA] Quote: Originally Posted by lmachine They're a 501(c)(3) nonprofit. They can't endorse candidates. But I feel you decode what was written are signs point towards voting for trump. __________________ Check out my Catholic Apologetic Booklet. 121 themes/doctrines, 5,200 Bible Verses, 192 pages. English https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...bFU/edit?pli=1 Spanish https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...M2c/edit?pli=1 Let others know about my booklet.

#9   Nov 4, '16, 1:57 pm

E_7 Regular Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: September 26, 2011 Posts: 2,357 Religion: Catholic

Re: Election 2016: A supremely important decision [CNA] Trump or not. I want the Senate to be mostly Republican because they are most likely to stand with at least one of the party's ideologies that a marriage is between a man and a woman. I think Catholics should be Republicans because the ideologies of that party (notice I said party, not candidate ) aligns more to Catholic beliefs. __________________ Don't say: 'That person gets on my nerves.' Think: 'That person sanctifies me.' ~ Saint Josemaria Escrivá

#10   Nov 4, '16, 1:57 pm

lmachine Regular Member Join Date: March 8, 2016 Posts: 1,999 Religion: Catholic

Re: Election 2016: A supremely important decision [CNA] Quote: Originally Posted by chero23 But I feel you decode what was written are signs point towards voting for trump. Nonprofits can take stances on issues but not on individual candidates or parties. We can tell what's implicit in CNA's message, but nevertheless they can't explicitly say it. Some people think it's silly but them's the rules.

#11   Nov 4, '16, 2:01 pm

Al Moritz Regular Member Join Date: April 20, 2011 Posts: 3,024 Religion: Roman Catholic/Freethinker/Skeptic

Re: Election 2016: A supremely important decision [CNA] Quote: Originally Posted by E_7 I think Catholics should be Republicans because the ideologies of that party (notice I said party, not candidate ) aligns more to Catholic beliefs. Are you serious?? __________________ Health is not a consumer good but a universal right, so access to health services cannot be a privilege. Pope Francis

#12   Nov 4, '16, 2:53 pm

Neofight Banned Join Date: December 28, 2011 Posts: 4,197 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: Election 2016: A supremely important decision [CNA] Quote: Originally Posted by E_7 I think Catholics should be Republicans because the ideologies of that party (notice I said party, not candidate ) aligns more to Catholic beliefs. Oh my...where do we begin?

#13   Nov 4, '16, 3:28 pm

E_7 Regular Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: September 26, 2011 Posts: 2,357 Religion: Catholic

Re: Election 2016: A supremely important decision [CNA] Quote: Originally Posted by Al Moritz Are you serious?? Quote: Originally Posted by Neofight Oh my...where do we begin? LOL. No, I'm just kidding....or am I not? __________________ Don't say: 'That person gets on my nerves.' Think: 'That person sanctifies me.' ~ Saint Josemaria Escrivá

#14   Nov 4, '16, 3:31 pm

twf Regular Member Join Date: May 18, 2004 Posts: 5,830 Religion: Catholic (former Evangelical Protestant)

Re: Election 2016: A supremely important decision [CNA] Quote: Originally Posted by E_7 LOL. No, I'm just kidding....or am I not? On the very important issues of abortion, religious liberty and gay marriage, yes. On everything else? I'm not so sure. Yes, Catholics need to vote pro-life... but American Catholics were historically Democrat for a reason.

#15   Nov 4, '16, 3:32 pm

Ridgerunner Forum Elder Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,719 Religion: Catholic

Re: Election 2016: A supremely important decision [CNA] Quote: Originally Posted by twf Yep, no one could read this article without coming away with the author's obvious implied conclusion: its your duty as a Catholic to vote for Trump. At least one US bishop has come out and said that no Catholic is obliged to vote for either candidate. I'm not an American, but as I have expressed multiple times now on this board, I could not vote for either in good conscience. I would focus on worthy individual pro-life senators who are not otherwise morally repulsive (as Trump is) - does that not address the Supreme Court nomination argument? The president can't act without the senate. The president, as we have sorrowfully learned, can act without, or even against the Senate. The question is whether the executive's fiat actions can pass muster with the Supreme Court. A Clinton Court would, of course, approve anything she does. Congress might as well go home if Clinton is elected. Nov 4, '16, 3:33 pm JackVk Regular Member   Join Date: June 6, 2010 Posts: 3,499 Religion: Catholic Re: Election 2016: A supremely important decision [CNA] Tim Kaine explicitly said that Catholicism will be outlawed if the Church does not change its teaching on gay "marriage". Hillary Clinton said that "religious beliefs must be changed". To not vote for Trump is to abandon Mother Church to the wolves. Sorry, folks, there's no two ways about it. You don't have to like Trump, but he is not going to have you shot, arrested, or fined to oblivion for standing for your faith, unlike the Empress Elect. As for me, I can sleep at night knowing I will never have to explain to God why I chose Caesar, mammon, and social approval, because the other guy was "mean". __________________ Those who say it cannot be done should not stand in the way of those proving them right "You have less to suffer in following the Cross than you do in following the world and it's pleasures." -St. John Vianney   #17   Nov 4, '16, 3:34 pm Ridgerunner Forum Elder   Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,719 Religion: Catholic Re: Election 2016: A supremely important decision [CNA] Quote: Originally Posted by twf On the very important issues of abortion, religious liberty and gay marriage, yes. On everything else? I'm not so sure. Yes, Catholics need to vote pro-life... but American Catholics were historically Democrat for a reason. Catholics were historically Democrat because the Dem party supported things in which Catholics believed. Now that the Dem party is actively anti-Catholic, that should no longer be the case. But with many, it still is. In that regard, the Dem party is like the scion of a wealthy family...living off its patrimony.   #18   Nov 4, '16, 3:40 pm JackVk Regular Member   Join Date: June 6, 2010 Posts: 3,499 Religion: Catholic Re: Election 2016: A supremely important decision [CNA] Quote: Originally Posted by Ridgerunner Catholics were historically Democrat because the Dem party supported things in which Catholics believed. Now that the Dem party is actively anti-Catholic, that should no longer be the case. But with many, it still is. In that regard, the Dem party is like the scion of a wealthy family...living off its patrimony. The Kennedys are the reason the Church in America sold out to the world. We were more concerned with being like our WASP neighbors than standing for our faith. Every crisis in the American Church can be traced from that: acceptance of abortion, the decline of Catholics and Catholics who go to Mass regularly, the priest sex abuse debacle... all because we wanted to be like the rest. __________________ Those who say it cannot be done should not stand in the way of those proving them right "You have less to suffer in following the Cross than you do in following the world and it's pleasures." -St. John Vianney   #19   Nov 5, '16, 5:28 am mary bobo Veteran Member Forum Supporter   Join Date: May 19, 2005 Posts: 10,620 Religion: Catholic Re: Election 2016: A supremely important decision [CNA] Quote: Originally Posted by twf On the very important issues of abortion, religious liberty and gay marriage, yes. On everything else? I'm not so sure. Yes, Catholics need to vote pro-life... but American Catholics were historically Democrat for a reason. Times and parties change. __________________ Praying for all CAF intentions.   #20   Nov 5, '16, 12:13 pm FollowChrist34 Senior Member   Join Date: March 31, 2013 Posts: 6,328 Religion: Christian Re: Election 2016: A supremely important decision [CNA] Quote: Originally Posted by CNA News Irondale, Ala., Nov 4, 2016 / 11:51 am (CNA/EWTN News).- Among the first acts of the next president of the United States will be the appointment of a new justice for the U.S. Supreme Court, comprised currently of eight members since the February death of Associate Justice Antonin Scalia. In the short term, the new president will appoint Scalia’s successor — someone who will be a deciding factor in whether Catholic entities like EWTN and the Little Sisters of the Poor should be forced by the federal government to violate their religious beliefs by providing contraception and abortifacient drugs in their health insurance plans. The new justice will also help decide whether or not a Virginia girl, who now identifies as a boy, should be allowed access to the restroom that corresponds with her self-chosen sexual identity. We have already witnessed the Supreme Court redefine marriage. With another liberal activist on board, we will witness the court redefine discrimination to include sexual identity. No doubt, we will also see the court continue down the path of further chipping away at our constitutional rights to religious liberty, freedom of expression and so much more. In the long term, there perhaps will be no other more important decision made by our next president than who will be nominated to the Supreme Court. A new president with a pro-life commitment will be able to shape the future of a court that will help the United States avoid the disaster of this culture of narcissism and death and move toward one that more resembles what the Founding Fathers established. On the other hand, a new president with the opposite agenda will continue to perilously lead the United States along a path that cheapens life and demeans and threatens people of faith. In the last of the presidential debates, both candidates made it abundantly clear where they stand on the issue of respect for life. As we step into the voting booth on Tuesday, we are faced with a supremely important decision. Let us be clear in making that decision — there is no issue more important than respect for the dignity of human life. May God bless you, and may God bless the United States of America. Full article... Well said. I love it. (I don't have to hang my head in the company of the Southern Baptists anymore .) Let us try and remember, being a Christian is not always about being popular, cool and open-minded. (this tripped me up a little with Obama and for that I am very sorry) Sometimes living faith can be downright unpleasant. Principles are thorny things. I pray this country makes the right choice. I also think we should pray for the brokenness that has so overrun secular liberal thinking and policies. The left asks if Trump will accept the results; I wonder the same about the left. Are they intellectually, emotionally, morally even capable of accepting and respecting those with whom they disagree. Can they effectively function in a democracy anymore. Will they steal the election? When you are at this point, there is a problem. And, of course, on top of that, we have likewise reached the point where Donald Trump is the better option. I would be very hesitant to get too excited or comfortable with that. All the same, even the starkest (responsible, fair) assessment of Trump to my mind is better than more of the left on offer today. I think a Trump victory could actually be a very healthy, freeing thing for this country. And a Trump loss, well... God bless us all. __________________ And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.   #21   Nov 5, '16, 11:55 pm Ion Regular Member   Join Date: April 3, 2012 Posts: 1,440 Religion: Catholic Re: Election 2016: A supremely important decision [CNA] Quote: Originally Posted by chero23 But I feel you decode what was written are signs point towards voting for trump. Clinton can change her decision and announce tomorrow that she will appoint a pro life candidate...at least theoretically   #22   Nov 6, '16, 6:28 pm Dwyer Regular Member   Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic Re: Election 2016: A supremely important decision [CNA] In addition to the empty Scalia seat, there are several U.S. Supreme Court Justices of retirement age (i.e., Justices Ginsburg [age 83], Breyer [77], and Kennedy [79]). The next President could foreseeably appoint four U.S. Supreme Court Justices. That means one political party will control of the U.S. Supreme Court for a generation or around at least for 30 years. Pity the innocent unborn child made in the likeness and image of God. __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)