Demonic or Egyptian?

Apr 24, '17, 5:06 am

LiquidMan New Member   Join Date: December 14, 2016 Posts: 66 Religion: Catholic

Demonic or Egyptian? I am, among other things, a Destiny player - and yesterday I aquired this (https://www.google.it/search?q=ram+d...40FUTRIe84QWM:) specific helmet. And yes, the moment you click on the link, you see why I am asking. While a ram skull may or may not be associated to the devil-worshipping cults, it is also the symbol of Ammon-Ra, one of Ra's (the Egyptian main sun god) incarnations, mostly because Destiny is rife with references to Norse and Egypt mithology. However, a good chunk of Interney users made threads asking about its supposedly demonic nature (just type something along the lines of "destiny ram satanic) and soo...I got doubtful. Anyone's two cents on this?

#2   Apr 24, '17, 7:07 am

Le_Bonvivant New Member   Join Date: March 28, 2016 Posts: 62 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: Demonic or Egyptian? It does look a bit scary but i wouldnt worry too much about it. The Israelites were constantly surrounded by images and statues of other so called gods when they lived in Egypt. Later again in Babylon and even in Israel itself. Christians in the Roman empire too. And I've never heard that this caused danger. I think they re just references to non existing deities, not to the devil

#3   Apr 24, '17, 7:17 am

Crusaderbear Senior Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: July 27, 2015 Posts: 13,861 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: Demonic or Egyptian? The game called it a ram helmet, not by some god name. i doubt it could even be considered egyptian! The real question is, what do YOU think it represents? __________________ “Pray any way you like, so long as you do pray.” "May He be praised forever!"

#4   Apr 24, '17, 8:45 am

MaryHelp777 Regular Member   Join Date: July 27, 2015 Posts: 1,046 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: Demonic or Egyptian? Quote: Originally Posted by LiquidMan I am, among other things, a Destiny player - and yesterday I aquired this (https://www.google.it/search?q=ram+d...40FUTRIe84QWM:) specific helmet. And yes, the moment you click on the link, you see why I am asking. While a ram skull may or may not be associated to the devil-worshipping cults, it is also the symbol of Ammon-Ra, one of Ra's (the Egyptian main sun god) incarnations, mostly because Destiny is rife with references to Norse and Egypt mithology. However, a good chunk of Interney users made threads asking about its supposedly demonic nature (just type something along the lines of "destiny ram satanic) and soo...I got doubtful. Anyone's two cents on this? There have been numerous stories of Catholic in the deliverance ministry who stated they have had to deliver some people and properties that had a pagan object in their house, be it a statue of a false God etc (because whoever owned it previously had consecrated the object to Satan). St Paul warns of having anything to do with false gods, warning that sometimes the false gods that were worshipped by certain religions was actually private revelations coming from demons, St Paul wrote in the New Testament: "Do you know know the false gods the Greeks worship are fallen angels/ demons?" Because of the fact that some religions were simply made up by early civilizations and a few did have demons appearing in the form of false gods, pagan objects can be very dangerous. It doesn't matter if you do not believe in the pagan gods and are not worshipping them, That object may have been used in a consecrated ritual doing homage to a false god that is not the God of the Bible. Objects consecrated to false spirits can be very dangerous. Atheists who have had ouijii boards in their houses experienced spiritual activity around the house, mysterious illnesses that doctors couldn't cure, terrible runs of bad luck/ accidents, and have needed exorcism/ deliverance of themselves/ their property by a Catholic Exorcist. Get rid of that object and bless it and your house with Holy Water. Holy Water has exorcism prayers prayed over it.

#5   Apr 24, '17, 8:57 am

Roseeurekacross Regular Member   Join Date: December 14, 2016 Posts: 2,684 Religion: Catholic

Re: Demonic or Egyptian? A description of this helmet says It is an exotic helmut for the warlock. Definition of warlock - a man who practices witchcraft. Bible and Catechism say 2117 All practices of magic or sorcery, by which one attempts to tame occult powers, so as to place them at one's service and have a supernatural power over others - even if this were for the sake of restoring their health - are gravely contrary to the virtue of religion. These practices are even more to be condemned when accompanied by the intention of harming someone, or when they have recourse to the intervention of demons. Wearing charms is also reprehensible. Spiritism often implies divination or magical practices; the Church for her part warns the faithful against it. Recourse to so-called traditional cures does not justify either the invocation of evil powers or the exploitation of another's credulity. From. http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_cs...m/p3s2c1a1.htm Why are you playing this game? You are a warlock in it. No this is not innocent. Not a false god. Not an idol, this is purely satanic. Look up warlock. People need to investigate what the game and this helmut is about Before commenting on threads like this. Its demonic. Did you know you were a warlock in this game? Last edited by Roseeurekacross; Apr 24, '17 at 9:08 am.

#6   Apr 24, '17, 9:06 am

Roseeurekacross Regular Member   Join Date: December 14, 2016 Posts: 2,684 Religion: Catholic

Re: Demonic or Egyptian? Bad spirits, the devil, satan, whatever your name for "he whose butt will be kicked down to hell by St Michael The ArchAngel", Is having a great time with these internet computer games, through game developers. No wonder the demand for Exorcists is on the rise, and people are demanding quick Baptism and Exorcism. ( see recent thread)

#7   Apr 24, '17, 9:35 am

Dorothy Forum Master   Join Date: May 19, 2004 Posts: 12,725 Religion: Catholic

Re: Demonic or Egyptian? Quote: Originally Posted by MaryHelp777 There have been numerous stories of Catholic in the deliverance ministry who stated they have had to deliver some people and properties that had a pagan object in their house, be it a statue of a false God etc (because whoever owned it previously had consecrated the object to Satan). St Paul warns of having anything to do with false gods, warning that sometimes the false gods that were worshipped by certain religions was actually private revelations coming from demons, St Paul wrote in the New Testament: "Do you know know the false gods the Greeks worship are fallen angels/ demons?" Because of the fact that some religions were simply made up by early civilizations and a few did have demons appearing in the form of false gods, pagan objects can be very dangerous. It doesn't matter if you do not believe in the pagan gods and are not worshipping them, That object may have been used in a consecrated ritual doing homage to a false god that is not the God of the Bible. Objects consecrated to false spirits can be very dangerous. Atheists who have had ouijii boards in their houses experienced spiritual activity around the house, mysterious illnesses that doctors couldn't cure, terrible runs of bad luck/ accidents, and have needed exorcism/ deliverance of themselves/ their property by a Catholic Exorcist. Get rid of that object and bless it and your house with Holy Water. Holy Water has exorcism prayers prayed over it. I totally agree. For years I have attended monthly days of prayer with a very gifted priest and he said the same thing.

#8   Apr 24, '17, 9:36 am

Dorothy Forum Master   Join Date: May 19, 2004 Posts: 12,725 Religion: Catholic

Re: Demonic or Egyptian? Roseeurekacross, Thank you for your input as well!

#9   Apr 24, '17, 11:03 am

TechieGuy Junior Member   Join Date: March 3, 2017 Posts: 169 Religion: Catholic

Re: Demonic or Egyptian? Hey LiquidMan, I think there are two schools of thought on this sort of thing, broadly speaking. The first school has already chimed in - this is obviously of the occult, even says so in the description, better not to mess with it at all. And I have to admit that a case could be made for this point of view. The other school, which I'm more sympathetic to, is that this object isn't real. It is a representation of a set of 0's and 1's in a database on a gaming server. It has no physical existence and no effect in real life except for how it modifies the interactions in game play, which itself has no physical existence except as how software in a gaming server modifies the 0's and 1's on a computer someplace. That you cared enough to post the question in the first place suggests to me that you might lean towards the first camp. If that's the case, then perhaps you might think about whether you ought to be playing a game that is saturated with Norse and Egyptian mythology in the first place. Maybe you should take a look at Eve Online, where you are blowing up imaginary Space Pirates and other player's imaginary spaceships. On the other hand, if your issue is not with the game itself, but rather the imaginary game item, then why not just sell it, give it to another player, or abandon it in an imaginary forest someplace and be done with it?

#10   Apr 24, '17, 12:53 pm

Techno2000 Regular Member   Join Date: February 1, 2007 Posts: 4,217 Religion: Catholic

Re: Demonic or Egyptian? Quote: Originally Posted by LiquidMan I am, among other things, a Destiny player - and yesterday I aquired this (https://www.google.it/search?q=ram+d...40FUTRIe84QWM:) specific helmet. And yes, the moment you click on the link, you see why I am asking. While a ram skull may or may not be associated to the devil-worshipping cults, it is also the symbol of Ammon-Ra, one of Ra's (the Egyptian main sun god) incarnations, mostly because Destiny is rife with references to Norse and Egypt mithology. However, a good chunk of Interney users made threads asking about its supposedly demonic nature (just type something along the lines of "destiny ram satanic) and soo...I got doubtful. Anyone's two cents on this? Well it does look like a goat head Satan, so I would say yes it is demonic inspired or influenced . __________________ Our Lady's 15 Promises http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/prayer/15promise.htm Divine Mercy http://www.divinemercy.com/faustina/ Pieta http://brizek.com/prayer/pieta.htm "all shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of thing shall be well.' -Jesus to Julian of Norwich

#11   Apr 24, '17, 3:16 pm

LiquidMan New Member   Join Date: December 14, 2016 Posts: 66 Religion: Catholic

Re: Demonic or Egyptian? Quote: Originally Posted by Roseeurekacross A description of this helmet says It is an exotic helmut for the warlock. Definition of warlock - a man who practices witchcraft. Bible and Catechism say 2117 All practices of magic or sorcery, by which one attempts to tame occult powers, so as to place them at one's service and have a supernatural power over others - even if this were for the sake of restoring their health - are gravely contrary to the virtue of religion. These practices are even more to be condemned when accompanied by the intention of harming someone, or when they have recourse to the intervention of demons. Wearing charms is also reprehensible. Spiritism often implies divination or magical practices; the Church for her part warns the faithful against it. Recourse to so-called traditional cures does not justify either the invocation of evil powers or the exploitation of another's credulity. From. http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_cs...m/p3s2c1a1.htm Why are you playing this game? You are a warlock in it. No this is not innocent. Not a false god. Not an idol, this is purely satanic. Look up warlock. People need to investigate what the game and this helmut is about Before commenting on threads like this. Its demonic. Did you know you were a warlock in this game? Dude...before ypu start acting like Jack Chick, calm down. I was fully aware of the fact that I am a warlock. There is nothing satanic or demonic in it. I chose it at the charachter creation screen. Why? Easy. It is a science fiction game. Warlock here refers to warriors who wield magic-like powers derived from the universe fundamental energies. Nothing satanic or demonic in that part.

#12   Apr 24, '17, 3:19 pm

LiquidMan New Member   Join Date: December 14, 2016 Posts: 66 Religion: Catholic

Re: Demonic or Egyptian? Quote: Originally Posted by MaryHelp777 There have been numerous stories of Catholic in the deliverance ministry who stated they have had to deliver some people and properties that had a pagan object in their house, be it a statue of a false God etc (because whoever owned it previously had consecrated the object to Satan). St Paul warns of having anything to do with false gods, warning that sometimes the false gods that were worshipped by certain religions was actually private revelations coming from demons, St Paul wrote in the New Testament: "Do you know know the false gods the Greeks worship are fallen angels/ demons?" Because of the fact that some religions were simply made up by early civilizations and a few did have demons appearing in the form of false gods, pagan objects can be very dangerous. It doesn't matter if you do not believe in the pagan gods and are not worshipping them, That object may have been used in a consecrated ritual doing homage to a false god that is not the God of the Bible. Objects consecrated to false spirits can be very dangerous. Atheists who have had ouijii boards in their houses experienced spiritual activity around the house, mysterious illnesses that doctors couldn't cure, terrible runs of bad luck/ accidents, and have needed exorcism/ deliverance of themselves/ their property by a Catholic Exorcist. Get rid of that object and bless it and your house with Holy Water. Holy Water has exorcism prayers prayed over it. Nowhere in my post I wrote about it being a religious object, that my house is manifesting demonic presence, or that it has anything to do with demon worship, in or out of the game. So please - exorcism has nothing to do with this. There are thousand of people playing this game, and none have reported demonic disturbance.

#13   Apr 24, '17, 3:26 pm

LiquidMan New Member   Join Date: December 14, 2016 Posts: 66 Religion: Catholic

Re: Demonic or Egyptian? Quote: Originally Posted by TechieGuy Hey LiquidMan, I think there are two schools of thought on this sort of thing, broadly speaking. The first school has already chimed in - this is obviously of the occult, even says so in the description, better not to mess with it at all. And I have to admit that a case could be made for this point of view. The other school, which I'm more sympathetic to, is that this object isn't real. It is a representation of a set of 0's and 1's in a database on a gaming server. It has no physical existence and no effect in real life except for how it modifies the interactions in game play, which itself has no physical existence except as how software in a gaming server modifies the 0's and 1's on a computer someplace. That you cared enough to post the question in the first place suggests to me that you might lean towards the first camp. If that's the case, then perhaps you might think about whether you ought to be playing a game that is saturated with Norse and Egyptian mythology in the first place. Maybe you should take a look at Eve Online, where you are blowing up imaginary Space Pirates and other player's imaginary spaceships. On the other hand, if your issue is not with the game itself, but rather the imaginary game item, then why not just sell it, give it to another player, or abandon it in an imaginary forest someplace and be done with it? Ok, maybe I phrased my first post in a bad way. I am not particularly bothered by it. I am not scared, I feel no negative energy or anything when I equip it, furniture does not move on its own. It plays like any other in-game object. I simply do not like when demonic-themed things are in games that do not talk about demons or the occult (I do not play it, but I understand why there are pentagrams in games like Doom or Diablo). Since I should definately not something that, even visually, comes from the devil (the actual devil, not the red skinned, horned, fantasy - themed one) and, to answer your other question, I do kind of like this helmet, I just wanted to make sure I was not liking something that may be referencing the occult. That. Nothing else. There is no need for an exorcist, as other posters suggested. All is well here. It was simply a little bugger of mine, and since this is a Christian forum I wanted an opinion from people of my same belief system.

#14   Apr 24, '17, 9:31 pm

Dwyer Regular Member   Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic

Re: Demonic or Egyptian? Quote: Originally Posted by Le_Bonvivant It does look a bit scary but i wouldnt worry too much about it. The Israelites were constantly surrounded by images and statues of other so called gods when they lived in Egypt. Later again in Babylon and even in Israel itself. Christians in the Roman empire too. And I've never heard that this caused danger. I think they re just references to non existing deities, not to the devil Quote: First of all, pagan gods aren’t demons – they’re simply nonexistent. There’s no such thing as the Sun God, Mithra, Isis, etc. But what happens is demons often hide behind these names and respond when the god is invoked. This was the view of Tertullian (160-229), who is known as the “founder of western theology” who believed that because pagan gods were supposedly deified human beings, they weren’t real. Instead, their names and images “were employed by unclean spirits, fallen angels, demons of pagan philosophical tradition, in order to take honor upon themselves and from God.” The early Church father, Justin Martyr, also believed that heathen gods were wicked demons who led men astray. http://www.womenofgrace.com/blog/?p=35028 I heard the Ancient Hebrews (perhaps during the time of Moses; also King David mentions it in one of his Psalms) viewed the Ancient Egyptian gods as demons. __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)

#15   Apr 24, '17, 11:34 pm

Roseeurekacross Regular Member   Join Date: December 14, 2016 Posts: 2,684 Religion: Catholic

Re: Demonic or Egyptian? Quote: Originally Posted by LiquidMan Dude...before ypu start acting like Jack Chick, calm down. I was fully aware of the fact that I am a warlock. There is nothing satanic or demonic in it. I chose it at the charachter creation screen. Why? Easy. It is a science fiction game. Warlock here refers to warriors who wield magic-like powers derived from the universe fundamental energies. Nothing satanic or demonic in that part. Ok you asked for advice, you got it. You don't like it. The fact remaines you are playing as, and have chosen to be a warlock in this game. Putting our heads in the sand and acting like Ostriches wont help your cause now. Why? Because it has been pointed out to you what a warlock is. The game describes a warlock as weilding magic like powers derived from universal fundamental energies. Right. Well magic and sorcery are not allowed in our Faith. Google magic, google new age, google witchcraft and warlock with respect to the Catholic Church teachings. Or ask your Priest. Don't take my word for it. A warrior is just that. A warrior. Plenty of them in the Bible. They aren't biblical warlocks Dude. Btw , I ain't a dude. I know you are young. We are either with God, or with the devil in what we do. And these can be tough choices to make. But we must strive to reject satan and all his snares and tricks. This is but one of them. I will pray you find the courage to do so. Young friend.        Apr 25, '17, 3:08 am LiquidMan New Member   Join Date: December 14, 2016 Posts: 66 Religion: Catholic Re: Demonic or Egyptian? Quote: Originally Posted by Roseeurekacross Ok you asked for advice, you got it. You don't like it. The fact remaines you are playing as, and have chosen to be a warlock in this game. Putting our heads in the sand and acting like Ostriches wont help your cause now. Why? Because it has been pointed out to you what a warlock is. The game describes a warlock as weilding magic like powers derived from universal fundamental energies. Right. Well magic and sorcery are not allowed in our Faith. Google magic, google new age, google witchcraft and warlock with respect to the Catholic Church teachings. Or ask your Priest. Don't take my word for it. A warrior is just that. A warrior. Plenty of them in the Bible. They aren't biblical warlocks Dude. Btw , I ain't a dude. I know you are young. We are either with God, or with the devil in what we do. And these can be tough choices to make. But we must strive to reject satan and all his snares and tricks. This is but one of them. I will pray you find the courage to do so. Young friend. How do I explain this? There is NO magic at all involved. At. All. Nothing coming from the devil. Nothing preaching againist the Lord. Nothing telling me to join cults. Ever. The traditional definition of warlock has NOTHING to do with the one presented in this game.   #17   Apr 25, '17, 3:11 am LiquidMan New Member   Join Date: December 14, 2016 Posts: 66 Religion: Catholic Re: Demonic or Egyptian? I got all the answers I needed from this thread. Mods please lock it.   #18   Apr 25, '17, 4:18 am Dorothy Forum Master   Join Date: May 19, 2004 Posts: 12,725 Religion: Catholic Re: Demonic or Egyptian? Think of the benefits of giving up some time of game playing and praying for ourselves and the whole world. What an impact that would make! Lord help us!   #19   Apr 25, '17, 4:25 am Roseeurekacross Regular Member   Join Date: December 14, 2016 Posts: 2,684 Religion: Catholic Re: Demonic or Egyptian? Quote: Originally Posted by LiquidMan How do I explain this? There is NO magic at all involved. At. All. Nothing coming from the devil. Nothing preaching againist the Lord. Nothing telling me to join cults. Ever. The traditional definition of warlock has NOTHING to do with the one presented in this game. Why is it I hear the Jaws theme...🦈 Don't kid yourself, sharks have sharp teeth, and they are a very primitive killing machine. But we wont get bitten if we stay out of their ocean. Right?   #20   Apr 25, '17, 6:23 am TechieGuy Junior Member   Join Date: March 3, 2017 Posts: 169 Religion: Catholic Re: Demonic or Egyptian? Quote: Originally Posted by LiquidMan I simply do not like when demonic-themed things are in games that do not talk about demons or the occult (I do not play it, but I understand why there are pentagrams in games like Doom or Diablo). Since I should definately not something that, even visually, comes from the devil (the actual devil, not the red skinned, horned, fantasy - themed one) and, to answer your other question, I do kind of like this helmet, I just wanted to make sure I was not liking something that may be referencing the occult. That. Nothing else. Well, I'm in the minority here, but seeing as how you have a clear idea of the difference between 0's and 1's and reality and that the game item doesn't seem to specifically reference any real occult object, I'd say 'enjoy the game'.   #21   Apr 25, '17, 6:56 am LiquidMan New Member   Join Date: December 14, 2016 Posts: 66 Religion: Catholic Re: Demonic or Egyptian? Quote: Originally Posted by Roseeurekacross Why is it I hear the Jaws theme...🦈 Don't kid yourself, sharks have sharp teeth, and they are a very primitive killing machine. But we wont get bitten if we stay out of their ocean. Right? Staying out of the water due to paranoia that there may be a shark is not the right answer to a problem. Since you clearly don't know much about this game, I suggest you do just a bit of research before posting.   #22   Apr 25, '17, 8:13 am Roseeurekacross Regular Member   Join Date: December 14, 2016 Posts: 2,684 Religion: Catholic Re: Demonic or Egyptian? Quote: Originally Posted by LiquidMan Staying out of the water due to paranoia that there may be a shark is not the right answer to a problem. Since you clearly don't know much about this game, I suggest you do just a bit of research before posting. Funny thing about that... warlock , wizard, use of magic, use of powers. You asked if the helmet was demonic. You must have a bit of a gut feeling about the implications of games promoting these themes. So must many others , given you suggest we google this theme as there is a wealth of questions on it. What we watch , read, play with, interact with in life, the media, be it mainstream , or social media, affects us in some form. Elsewise there would be no rulings on these things by the Church , censorship bodies, and the Bible would not have advice on how best to live our lives, and what to avoid and shun. Is watching porn ok? Gratuitous violence? Animal cruelty, how about watching witchcraft or watching people engaging in sorcery, ? If you answer no to any of those, how is role playing as a warlock/ wizard who uses magic and sorcery , in an interactive ( or single user) game ok? Is role play as a warlock any different from role playing in other activities that the Church Catechises against? Names such as cat, dog, warlock, plane, wand, spell all mean something. They have a dictionary definition. Thats language. Dog means 4 legged canine, usually loyal, barks , ways tail if happy, can get cranky and bite. I say dog , or shark, you identify with this term, this name. Look up warlock. What does that term mean. What is identified with that term? What does society, the one you live in, identify with that term. It can be a very good idea to stay out of the water, in a known hunting ground of a predator, or hangout location for a stinging jellyfish. We don't put our hand in a place likely to harbour a poisonous snake. This is just practical advice, rather then paranoia. If you see a lovely Rockpool On a hot day, but the sign says 'no swimming - crocodiles '. Watcha going to do?   #23   Apr 25, '17, 8:37 am Roseeurekacross Regular Member   Join Date: December 14, 2016 Posts: 2,684 Religion: Catholic Re: Demonic or Egyptian? And this is your 3rd or 4th thread on symbols and equipment in games, are they demonic, satanic etc. Perhaps have a good chat with your Priest, maybe also turn off the computer and pick up the Bible. ?   #24   Apr 25, '17, 2:36 pm edwest2 Forum Elder   Join Date: May 26, 2007 Posts: 26,877 Religion: Catholic Re: Demonic or Egyptian? Speaking as an Assistant Art Director, symbols and images have meanings. They are included or not included based on only two reasons: 1) They look cool. or 2) I approve of these images. In a computer game, the designers may, or may not, be totally ignorant of the origins/meanings of these images or the guy in charge is and that's what he wants. There is no way to tell if if it's intended or unintended. The other concern is based on what I call a perceived commonality index. In other words, how would the average person interpret this image? People see a ton of images every day and I, and the head Art Director, along with other relevant staff, have to make rapid judgements about images. Not to brag, but we do have an extensive knowledge of symbols and images and say yes to this and no to that. So, even though an image may be used in a certain context, the average person may perceive it as good or bad. A game is just a game does not go to the heart of it. I hope everyone takes the following as only to instruct: Proverbs 14:15 New International Version "The simple believe anything, but the prudent give thought to their steps." New Living Translation "Only simpletons believe everything they're told! The prudent carefully consider their steps." English Standard Version "The simple believes everything, but the prudent gives thought to his steps." The young can be taken in by not wanting to examine things. Be careful. It is easy to be too trusting. Ed   #25   Apr 25, '17, 6:53 pm Tsuzuki Regular Member   Join Date: March 2, 2006 Posts: 1,527 Religion: O.T.O. Thelemite and Catholic Occultist Re: Demonic or Egyptian? Maybe an occult or anthropology message board would be a better place to ask this question. Short answer from me: Rams don't have any special occult symbolism that's not part of Western civilization as a whole, so unless there's other context to it, it's just the head of an animal. Have fun playing your game. __________________ . "The Way of Mastery is to break all the rules--but you have to know them perfectly before you can do this; otherwise you are not in a position to transcend them." - Aleister Crowley "Love, and do what thou wilt." - Saint Augustine ---------- Tiber Swim Team 2008 Ask a Thelemite   #26   Apr 28, '17, 11:19 am Therese11 Regular Member   Join Date: April 3, 2014 Posts: 819 Religion: Catholic Re: Demonic or Egyptian? Quote: Originally Posted by Roseeurekacross Bad spirits, the devil, satan, whatever your name for "he whose butt will be kicked down to hell by St Michael The ArchAngel", Is having a great time with these internet computer games, through game developers. No wonder the demand for Exorcists is on the rise, and people are demanding quick Baptism and Exorcism. ( see recent thread) 👏 It can't come quick enough.   #27   May 1, '17, 5:02 am Wesrock Regular Member   Join Date: July 29, 2015 Posts: 3,647 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Demonic or Egyptian? Quote: Originally Posted by Roseeurekacross Ok you asked for advice, you got it. You don't like it. The fact remaines you are playing as, and have chosen to be a warlock in this game. Putting our heads in the sand and acting like Ostriches wont help your cause now. Why? Because it has been pointed out to you what a warlock is. The game describes a warlock as weilding magic like powers derived from universal fundamental energies. Right. Well magic and sorcery are not allowed in our Faith. It's not magic in the game. It's just highly advanced technology that allows the character to manipulate space. Calling it the occult is like someone from the twelfth century looking at planes, cars, computers, and electric lights and, not understanfing it's simple scientific development, calling it magic and the occult. Or, say there's a (God forbid) nuclear war and the only humanity that survives os reverted back to copper afe technology, and them looking at our computers and cars (that survived) as some type of mysterious, arcane magic and not scientific technology. __________________ As for me, to be near God is my good, to make the Lord God my refuge. (Ps 73:28)   #28   May 1, '17, 5:19 am Wesrock Regular Member   Join Date: July 29, 2015 Posts: 3,647 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Demonic or Egyptian? On the flip side, it does make me question if there'd be a goats helm for a character class called "warlock" (regardless of the fact that it's technology and not magic) if the goats head wasn't already a western cultural association with the occult. If you saw rooster heads everywhere associated with satan instead, would the designers of this warlock helm gone a different route, to play into the pop culture? I imply no malicious motives on the behalf of the designers, who probably don't even believe such things, just wondering if they got their design inspiration from common cultural associations with the ideas of the arcane and magic. It seems like a fair implication, and less of a stretch than claiming they didn't look at the culture when designing costumes for their arcane "magic" user. And I'm still pretty far from Roseeurekacross in approaching video games such as this, don't get me wrong. But some of the comments here seem overly defensive and flippant, and that makes me want to consider the other side. (I may not put any stock in horoscopes and such superstitions, but even so, the balancing scales of Libra have ever been an apt description of me). __________________ As for me, to be near God is my good, to make the Lord God my refuge. (Ps 73:28)   #29   May 1, '17, 3:45 pm xNoOnex Junior Member   Join Date: October 1, 2013 Posts: 366 Religion: Roman Catholic (No Longer Lapsed) Re: Demonic or Egyptian? I'm curious as to how many people who show concern over sorcery and such in video games feel the same way about things like Lord of the Rings or Arthurian stories. Anyway... As someone else in this thread has said, this isn't the first time you posted something like this here. If you worry that it will influence you negatively, you should avoid it, even if it's benign.   #30   May 10, '17, 6:33 am CatholicWhovian Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: March 7, 2014 Posts: 922 Religion: (Rigid) Catholic - until death, no plans of leaving, EVER Re: Demonic or Egyptian? Quote: Originally Posted by xNoOnex I'm curious as to how many people who show concern over sorcery and such in video games feel the same way about things like Lord of the Rings or Arthurian stories. Anyway... As someone else in this thread has said, this isn't the first time you posted something like this here. If you worry that it will influence you negatively, you should avoid it, even if it's benign. After reading all of the comments on this thread, I have to agree to this. What is the difference between Gandalf in Lord of the Rings is technically a warlock. How come he's acceptable than this particular character the OP described? (well, the mask is a giveaway which personally I have problems with, but I don't play Destiny, so I don't mind) Wouldn't it be more prudent to discern where did the magical character in a particular work of fiction get his or her powers from? Did the character get his or her powers from some benign source? Technology? Natural force? Or the occult? Don't get me wrong, demonic symbols and influences disturb me. A lot. And I am careful of such influences. But sometimes I feel people can get carried away and generalize the origins of magic in fiction, leading them to a conclusion that strikes me as simple and rash. There's no attention to the specifics or the origin. If we really want to identify if something is influenced by the Devil we must be prudent in discerning the spirits. G.K. Chesterton once said, "Idolatry is committed, not merely by setting up false gods, but also by setting up false devils; by making men afraid of war or alcohol, or economic law, when they should be afraid of spiritual corruption and cowardice." Is the ram's helmet disturbing? Yeah. Does it create spiritual corruption? Probably. Does the warlock character encourage going into the occult? I doubt it. Destiny is set in a future timeline. The magic's probably advanced human/alien technology. Oh yeah, and as a gamer myself, besides leaving time to play games, I also leave time for prayer. I am praying for the world and I am engaging in spiritual combat in my prayer life. Not all video games have demonic symbols, just to clarify. __________________ "Life is like a rosary - it's full of mysteries"       May 12, '17, 10:24 pm Dwyer Regular Member   Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic Re: Demonic or Egyptian? Quote: Originally Posted by CatholicWhovian After reading all of the comments on this thread, I have to agree to this. What is the difference between Gandalf in Lord of the Rings is technically a warlock. How come he's acceptable than this particular character the OP described? (well, the mask is a giveaway which personally I have problems with, but I don't play Destiny, so I don't mind) Wouldn't it be more prudent to discern where did the magical character in a particular work of fiction get his or her powers from? Did the character get his or her powers from some benign source? Technology? Natural force? Or the occult? Don't get me wrong, demonic symbols and influences disturb me. A lot. And I am careful of such influences. But sometimes I feel people can get carried away and generalize the origins of magic in fiction, leading them to a conclusion that strikes me as simple and rash. There's no attention to the specifics or the origin. If we really want to identify if something is influenced by the Devil we must be prudent in discerning the spirits. G.K. Chesterton once said, "Idolatry is committed, not merely by setting up false gods, but also by setting up false devils; by making men afraid of war or alcohol, or economic law, when they should be afraid of spiritual corruption and cowardice." Is the ram's helmet disturbing? Yeah. Does it create spiritual corruption? Probably. Does the warlock character encourage going into the occult? I doubt it. Destiny is set in a future timeline. The magic's probably advanced human/alien technology. Oh yeah, and as a gamer myself, besides leaving time to play games, I also leave time for prayer. I am praying for the world and I am engaging in spiritual combat in my prayer life. Not all video games have demonic symbols, just to clarify. Gandalf is not a warlock; he's a wizard; I think he was maybe a spiritual being of some sort because doesn't he essentially resurrect himself after dying in Moria? A warlock is defined as a man who practices sorcery which is defined as: "Use of supernatural power over others through the assistance of spirits; witchcraft" which sounds more like Harry Potter. Also, Gandalf states when fighting the Balrog Demon in Moria that he is a "Servant of the Secret Fire". Note Gandalf fights the Balrog demon; he doesn't ally himself with it. And the significance of the "Servant of the Secret Fire" statement is interpreted as meaning that Gandalf is a servant of the Christian Holy Spirit. There's both Good Magic and there's Bad Magic in the Middle Earth world. Gandalf uses the magic seldomly and for good purposes or ends (e.g., he makes some fireworks to delight and entertain the Hobbits on the special occasion of Bilbo's big 111th birthday party). The character Saruman is similar in nature to Gandalf but uses his magic constantly and for bad, evil ends. __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)   #32   May 13, '17, 1:36 am xNoOnex Junior Member   Join Date: October 1, 2013 Posts: 366 Religion: Roman Catholic (No Longer Lapsed) Re: Demonic or Egyptian? Quote: Originally Posted by Dwyer Gandalf is not a warlock; he's a wizard; I think he was maybe a spiritual being of some sort because doesn't he essentially resurrect himself after dying in Moria? A warlock is defined as a man who practices sorcery which is defined as: "Use of supernatural power over others through the assistance of spirits; witchcraft" which sounds more like Harry Potter. Also, Gandalf states when fighting the Balrog Demon in Moria that he is a "Servant of the Secret Fire". Note Gandalf fights the Balrog demon; he doesn't ally himself with it. And the significance of the "Servant of the Secret Fire" statement is interpreted as meaning that Gandalf is a servant of the Christian Holy Spirit. There's both Good Magic and there's Bad Magic in the Middle Earth world. Gandalf uses the magic seldomly and for good purposes or ends (e.g., he makes some fireworks to delight and entertain the Hobbits on the special occasion of Bilbo's big 111th birthday party). The character Saruman is similar in nature to Gandalf but uses his magic constantly and for bad, evil ends. However, magic in Middle Earth is morally neutral. As you said, Suraman uses his magic for evil purposes and Gandalf for good... But their magic all comes from the same source. I'd even argue that most fantasy settings, that's how it is; its a science more than a supernatural power. Take a pinch of sulfur or coupe bat droppings, speak of few worlds that alter a reality and presto, you throw a fireball. Trying to apply real world terms and thought to something that doesn't even jive with real world occultism seems a bit silly to me.   #33   May 13, '17, 5:38 am Wesrock Regular Member   Join Date: July 29, 2015 Posts: 3,647 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Demonic or Egyptian? Quote: Originally Posted by CatholicWhovian What is the difference between Gandalf in Lord of the Rings is technically a warlock. How come he's acceptable than this particular character the OP described? (well, the mask is a giveaway which personally I have problems with, but I don't play Destiny, so I don't mind) *puts on dork glasses* *ahem* Gandalf is no man or elf. He's essentially a lesser angel (called an ainu or maia within Tolkien's lore building in the fictional Quenya language) in a corporeal form, sent by archangels who themselves are commissioned by God to watch over Middle Earth. Gandalf was tasked with guiding men against Sauron, as were Saruman, Radagast, and the other two unnamed "wizards" (lesser angels) sent. Sauron himself is also a lesser angel, though a fallen one. __________________ As for me, to be near God is my good, to make the Lord God my refuge. (Ps 73:28)   #34   May 13, '17, 5:09 pm JharekCarnelian Forum Elder   Join Date: April 14, 2008 Posts: 30,533 Re: Demonic or Egyptian? Although Sauron is vastly more powerful even in the diminished form he has descended to by the time of the Third Age. Gandalf makes it plain several times that he would not be a match for him in direct combat even if were permitted to oppose him in that way. Technically 'magic' as such does not really exist in the universe of Middle-Earth and Galadriel in one key passage makes it plain that she dislikes the word intensely.   #35   May 24, '17, 1:30 pm Sky River Regular Member   Join Date: December 4, 2012 Posts: 629 Religion: catholic Re: Demonic or Egyptian? Quote: Originally Posted by MaryHelp777 There have been numerous stories of Catholic in the deliverance ministry who stated they have had to deliver some people and properties that had a pagan object in their house, be it a statue of a false God etc (because whoever owned it previously had consecrated the object to Satan). St Paul warns of having anything to do with false gods, warning that sometimes the false gods that were worshipped by certain religions was actually private revelations coming from demons, St Paul wrote in the New Testament: "Do you know know the false gods the Greeks worship are fallen angels/ demons?" Because of the fact that some religions were simply made up by early civilizations and a few did have demons appearing in the form of false gods, pagan objects can be very dangerous. It doesn't matter if you do not believe in the pagan gods and are not worshipping them, That object may have been used in a consecrated ritual doing homage to a false god that is not the God of the Bible. Objects consecrated to false spirits can be very dangerous. Atheists who have had ouijii boards in their houses experienced spiritual activity around the house, mysterious illnesses that doctors couldn't cure, terrible runs of bad luck/ accidents, and have needed exorcism/ deliverance of themselves/ their property by a Catholic Exorcist. Get rid of that object and bless it and your house with Holy Water. Holy Water has exorcism prayers prayed over it. I believe demons can be cast out only by the power of God. In exorcism there are too many rituals, which are man made. Demons can pretend to leave the body but keep staying inside, exactly what happened to Anneliese Michel. I read that on Youtube about exorcism.   #36   May 29, '17, 3:15 pm CatholicSpirit Junior Member   Join Date: September 23, 2016 Posts: 370 Religion: Catholic Re: Demonic or Egyptian? Quote: Originally Posted by Roseeurekacross Bad spirits, the devil, satan, whatever your name for "he whose butt will be kicked down to hell by St Michael The ArchAngel", Is having a great time with these internet computer games, through game developers. No wonder the demand for Exorcists is on the rise, and people are demanding quick Baptism and Exorcism. ( see recent thread) The demand for exorcists is up? I would love to get a job doing that, or at least an apprentice! If only there was an exorcist apprentice sign-up and after a couple years you can become a priest after that. I'd be the first one in line! __________________ Exorcism Books: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriele_Amorth#Books   #37   May 29, '17, 4:14 pm JharekCarnelian Forum Elder   Join Date: April 14, 2008 Posts: 30,533 Re: Demonic or Egyptian? Quote: Originally Posted by Sky River I believe demons can be cast out only by the power of God. In exorcism there are too many rituals, which are man made. Demons can pretend to leave the body but keep staying inside, exactly what happened to Anneliese Michel. I read that on Youtube about exorcism. I think Catholics would be best advised to use you rather more informed sources than YouTube regarding exorcism and what the Church teaches on this.