Trump defeated Clinton by 10,704 votes in Michigan

Nov 23, '16, 5:44 pm

gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic

Trump defeated Clinton by 10,704 votes in Michigan Reuters: Trump defeated Clinton by 10,704 votes in Michigan: unofficial tally http://reut.rs/2fqxJOU __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology

#2   Nov 23, '16, 7:47 pm

7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,897 Religion: Catholic

Re: Trump defeated Clinton by 10,704 votes in Michigan when will the votes be officially recorded? good news for now! __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139

#3   Nov 23, '16, 8:01 pm

LiamQ Regular Member Join Date: August 21, 2011 Posts: 620 Religion: Catholic

Re: Trump defeated Clinton by 10,704 votes in Michigan I guess we have to wait and see what happens with this Jill Stein attempt to force a recount.

#4   Nov 23, '16, 8:35 pm

7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,897 Religion: Catholic

Re: Trump defeated Clinton by 10,704 votes in Michigan Quote: Originally Posted by LiamQ I guess we have to wait and see what happens with this Jill Stein attempt to force a recount. In Michigan? __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139

#5   Nov 23, '16, 9:31 pm

LiamQ Regular Member Join Date: August 21, 2011 Posts: 620 Religion: Catholic

Re: Trump defeated Clinton by 10,704 votes in Michigan Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows In Michigan? Yes, she's trying to gather sufficient funds to challenge the vote counts in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. The likelihood of a state like PA being somehow overturned is seemingly nil, let alone all three states, but she presses on in the name of greater confidence in our election system.

#6   Nov 23, '16, 9:35 pm

7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,897 Religion: Catholic

Re: Trump defeated Clinton by 10,704 votes in Michigan Quote: Originally Posted by LiamQ Yes, she's trying to gather sufficient funds to challenge the vote counts in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. The likelihood of a state like PA being somehow overturned is seemingly nil, let alone all three states, but she presses on in the name of greater confidence in our election system. Why is she wanting a recount when she is a 3rd party candidate and did not receive very many votes to begin with compared to Trump and Clinton? __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139

#7   Nov 23, '16, 9:37 pm

ProVobis Forum Elder Join Date: January 26, 2008 Posts: 43,235 Religion: Catholic

Re: Trump defeated Clinton by 10,704 votes in Michigan Quote: Originally Posted by LiamQ Yes, she's trying to gather sufficient funds to challenge the vote counts in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. The likelihood of a state like PA being somehow overturned is seemingly nil, let alone all three states, but she presses on in the name of greater confidence in our election system. When recounts produce different numbers, the confidence won't increase much IMO. You might as well let Nate Silver run his computer simulations 10,000 times and take the average.

#8   Nov 24, '16, 5:53 am

jtav Junior Member Join Date: September 9, 2006 Posts: 128 Religion: Catholic

Re: Trump defeated Clinton by 10,704 votes in Michigan A recount is a win-win. If there was hacking, we need to know. If there wasn't, it quiets any conspiracy theories. Auditing results should be routine.

#9   Nov 24, '16, 6:19 am

7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,897 Religion: Catholic

Re: Trump defeated Clinton by 10,704 votes in Michigan Quote: Originally Posted by jtav A recount is a win-win. If there was hacking, we need to know. If there wasn't, it quiets any conspiracy theories. Auditing results should be routine. I wish we had a unified voting system throughout the country. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139

#10   Nov 24, '16, 8:38 am

Todd977 Regular Member Join Date: August 10, 2013 Posts: 1,422 Religion: Catholic

Re: Trump defeated Clinton by 10,704 votes in Michigan Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows when will the votes be officially recorded? good news for now! Monday, November 28, or so I've read.

#11   Nov 24, '16, 11:20 am

gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic

Re: Trump defeated Clinton by 10,704 votes in Michigan Clinton/Kaine 232 Electoral votes Trump/Pence 306 Electoral votes __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology

#12   Nov 24, '16, 11:54 am

LiamQ Regular Member Join Date: August 21, 2011 Posts: 620 Religion: Catholic

Re: Trump defeated Clinton by 10,704 votes in Michigan Quote: Originally Posted by jtav A recount is a win-win. If there was hacking, we need to know. If there wasn't, it quiets any conspiracy theories. Auditing results should be routine. It is routine ... when the votes are incredibly close in accordance with an agreed-upon, legal threshold. That's not the case in any of these three states. But do you know what else is routine? It's routine that, even when there are recounts, the difference between the vote tallies is overwhelming a couple of hundred at most. MAYBE a couple of thousand. Seventy thousand votes in one state are not going to suddenly be overturned. In PA, do you know that a candidate contesting the result would most likely have to get a judge to agree that there is a probability that voter fraud was committed? No one here is even remotely alleging that. They're just claiming that there's a possibility that voter fraud occurred because of an analysis of the data that well-known experts find to be ridiculous. Nate Silver, Nate Cohn, David Wasserman, and others have all weighed in on this. In examining the evidence, they find nothing whatsoever that would insinuate "hacking." David Waserman calls the whole thing pathetic. Nate Cohn says, "It's hard to stress how weak this is." One of the professors cited in the original report thinks that the election was "probably not" hacked. The only conspiracy theory here is coming from those who are in denial about the results.

#13   Nov 24, '16, 1:13 pm

Dwyer Regular Member Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic

Re: Trump defeated Clinton by 10,704 votes in Michigan Quote: “Thank God for Michigan!” --Abraham Lincoln, May 1861 __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)

#14   Nov 24, '16, 3:26 pm

7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,897 Religion: Catholic

Re: Trump defeated Clinton by 10,704 votes in Michigan Quote: Originally Posted by Todd977 Monday, November 28, or so I've read. Thanks. That is not far away. If California would ever secede, the democrats would lose a lot of the popular vote plus electoral votes! The electoral map posted by Gilliam speaks volumes and makes it clear why we need the electoral college. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139

#15   Nov 25, '16, 7:32 pm

ProVobis Forum Elder Join Date: January 26, 2008 Posts: 43,235 Religion: Catholic

Re: Trump defeated Clinton by 10,704 votes in Michigan Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows Thanks. That is not far away. If California would ever secede, the democrats would lose a lot of the popular vote plus electoral votes! The electoral map posted by Gilliam speaks volumes and makes it clear why we need the electoral college. It would make more sense to split California so the electoral votes exceed 55. Nov 25, '16, 9:20 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,897 Religion: Catholic Re: Trump defeated Clinton by 10,704 votes in Michigan I don't understand Jill Stein's request for a recount. I thought she didn't want Hillary to win so now she is upset Trump won? No matter how many times they recount the votes she will never be declared the winner. Why is she raising so much money for this? Is she working for Hillary now? __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #17   Nov 25, '16, 9:55 pm Sy Noe Senior Member   Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Trump defeated Clinton by 10,704 votes in Michigan Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows Thanks. That is not far away. If California would ever secede, the democrats would lose a lot of the popular vote plus electoral votes! The electoral map posted by Gilliam speaks volumes and makes it clear why we need the electoral college. It's not that clear because neither system is perfect. As things stand now, if a voter is a Republican in CA or NY or any of the other blue states on the map, their vote doesn't count. And if a voter is a Democrat in a reliable red state such as TX, Mississippi, AL, OK, theirs doesn't count. Right now voters in basically less than 2 handfuls of states out of 50 decide. And it's only those states that get the bulk of the candidates' attention. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)