Re: EWTN TV: The World Over: Donald Trump Interview: 10/27/16 at 8PM EST
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Re: EWTN TV: The World Over: Donald Trump Interview: 10/27/16 at 8PM EST
I don't think it starts for another 20 minutes where I live.
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Re: EWTN TV: The World Over: Donald Trump Interview: 10/27/16 at 8PM EST
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Did anyone watch this interview? How did it go?
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It's on EWTN's Youtube channel as we speak. The interview is about twenty minutes ish and I think it was a great interview.
As I thought, Raymond was a good natured interviewer and asked some important questions.
Trump was honest and well spoken (and as presidential as ever imo) and
didn't just tell Raymond what he thought Catholics wanted to hear.
I for one, appreciated him saying that open borders was the dumbest
thing he ever heard (I never agreed with "the Church's" social teaching
on immigration) so you know he was being sincere. All in all, I'd say it
was a good interview.
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Re: EWTN TV: The World Over: Donald Trump Interview: 10/27/16 at 8PM EST
I don't suppose anyone has a link to the interview?
For some reason the phrase "glutton for punishment" comes to mind.
Curious.  But I actually would like to watch it.
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Re: EWTN TV: The World Over: Donald Trump Interview: 10/27/16 at 8PM EST
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Re: EWTN TV: The World Over: Donald Trump Interview: 10/27/16 at 8PM EST
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I don't suppose anyone has a link to the interview?
For some reason the phrase "glutton for punishment" comes to mind.
Curious. But I actually would like to watch it. |
And here is the written transcript if, like me, you're tired of hearing his voice:
http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news...h-donald-trump
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Re: EWTN TV: The World Over: Donald Trump Interview: 10/27/16 at 8PM EST
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I did read the transcript. I'm confused about the iPhoe and 1500
dollar part. Who does he say got paid that? The accusers or protestors?
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Re: EWTN TV: The World Over: Donald Trump Interview: 10/27/16 at 8PM EST
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Trump is merely a sinner, and apparently
not all that big a sinner. He's not an enemy of the Church like Hillary
Clinton or a semi-apostate like, uh.....some.
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If you think someone who has been married three times and has
bragged about being able to grope women whom he is not married to is not
that big a sinner, then you might want to recalibrate your measure of
sin.
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Re: EWTN TV: The World Over: Donald Trump Interview: 10/27/16 at 8PM EST
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I did read the transcript. I'm confused
about the iPhoe and 1500 dollar part. Who does he say got paid that? The
accusers or protestors?
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Both. It seems to be his opinion that the 11 or so women accusing
him of sexual improprieties, as well as the protesters at his rallies,
have all been hired to make these claims and carry out these actions.
It appears he is also an advocate of shunning: "If any Catholic votes
for Hillary Clinton, you know, I would say, if I was Catholic, I
wouldn't be talking to them anymore." Divide and conquer, with a side of
guilt: a time honored strategy.
When it comes to his repeated accusations of conspiracies, such as
rigged elections, I'm not sure if truly believes all of the things he
says, or if he thinks that just saying it often enough will make it true
in the minds of the voters.
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Re: EWTN TV: The World Over: Donald Trump Interview: 10/27/16 at 8PM EST
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Both. It seems to be his opinion that the
11 or so women accusing him of sexual improprieties, as well as the
protesters at his rallies, have all been hired to make these claims and
carry out these actions....
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I personally don't believe the 11 or so women accusing him of
sexual improprieties. Trump's been in the spot light his entire life and
these only pop up now? I don't buy it.
As far as the protesters are concerned, there are some pretty scary
people at his rallies that I believe are *not* plants by the Democrats.
With that said, the Democatic leadership was caught red-handed agitating
those protesters...and yes, those agitators were paid to agitate the
crowds.
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Re: EWTN TV: The World Over: Donald Trump Interview: 10/27/16 at 8PM EST
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I personally don't believe the 11 or so
women accusing him of sexual improprieties. Trump's been in the spot
light his entire life and these only pop up now? I don't buy it.
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I agree with you on this, this does not make sense, where were all these women back when Trumps reality show first came out?
But in reality, this kind of thing should really be expected from
Hillarys camp, I mean, a group that stands for abortion, CMON, they are
not going to have the greatest morals when it comes to other topics!
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Re: EWTN TV: The World Over: Donald Trump Interview: 10/27/16 at 8PM EST
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I agree with you on this, this does not make sense, where were all these women back when Trumps reality show first came out?
But in reality, this kind of thing should really be expected from
Hillarys camp, I mean, a group that stands for abortion, CMON, they are
not going to have the greatest morals when it comes to other topics!
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The Clinton campaign was afraid that Bill's history (and Hillary's
role in smearing his accusers) would come up, and they needed something
to counteract it. So - voila! - all these women suddenly appear.
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Re: EWTN TV: The World Over: Donald Trump Interview: 10/27/16 at 8PM EST
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The Clinton campaign was afraid that
Bill's history (and Hillary's role in smearing his accusers) would come
up, and they needed something to counteract it. So - voila! - all these
women suddenly appear.
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That might explain why these women didn't turn up during the Republican primaries.
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Re: EWTN TV: The World Over: Donald Trump Interview: 10/27/16 at 8PM EST
Other than appointing SCOTUS nominees who may or may not overturn Roe v.
Wade, which is the main talking point, he didn't really say HOW he will
implement pro-life policies. Ergo:
- Nothing about addressing the disparity in expense between abortion's
affordability ($300-$400) compared to how expensive delivery has gotten
($5,000-$6,000 excluding prenatal care.)
- Nothing about who gets punished once abortion is outlawed.
Would the abortionist be arrested? The mother? Nobody wants to talk
about WHY the woman wants to kill her baby -- isn't MOTIVE an essential
part of any murder case? I don't see how we'll stop the murder of the
unborn babies until there's a serious discussion of WHY so many women
want to kill their babies -- if they feel they can't afford the
expensive costs associated with delivery, why isn't that considered as a
part of a feasible pro-life policy?
- Hillary's plan includes 12 WEEKS MATERNITY LEAVE comparable to a
shameful, embarrassing 6 WEEKS MATERNITY LEAVE in Trump's plan. How is
it PRO-LIFE to give families only 6 weeks when they choose life?
- There's no such thing as being "partially born," you're either born or
not-born. No in-betweens. I still don't understand why any woman would
put herself through NINE WHOLE MONTHS of pregnancy, having gone through
all the morning sickness and all the maternity wardrobe and then
suddenly, at the very last minute (literally) decide to pay the
abortionist EVEN MORE MONEY (which wouldn't be very "convenient") to
kill the baby during labor? Really? That's like saying a murderer who's
going to kill someone has the gun at point range and sits there and
waits...and waits...doesn't pull the trigger yet... waits...and
waits...and waits...am I gonna kill this guy?...waits...and waits... at
just as the cops are coming and the murder knows they'll be in jail,
then they pull the trigger. Where's the evidence, where's the proof,
that there will be millions of babies being snatched from the womb and
slaughtered en masse Old Testament style? If a woman doesn't want
"it," why wouldn't she kill the baby right away, an early first-term
abortion when it's most affordable and (to her) convenient? 
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Re: EWTN TV: The World Over: Donald Trump Interview: 10/27/16 at 8PM EST
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- There's no such thing as being
"partially born," you're either born or not-born. No in-betweens. I
still don't understand why any woman would put herself through NINE
WHOLE MONTHS of pregnancy, having gone through all the morning sickness
and all the maternity wardrobe and then suddenly, at the very last
minute (literally) decide to pay the abortionist EVEN MORE MONEY (which
wouldn't be very "convenient") to kill the baby during labor? Really?
That's like saying a murderer who's going to kill someone has the gun at
point range and sits there and waits...and waits...doesn't pull the
trigger yet... waits...and waits...and waits...am I gonna kill this
guy?...waits...and waits... at just as the cops are coming and the
murder knows they'll be in jail, then they pull the trigger. Where's the
evidence, where's the proof, that there will be millions of babies
being snatched from the womb and slaughtered en masse Old Testament
style? If a woman doesn't want "it," why wouldn't she kill the baby
right away, an early first-term abortion when it's most affordable and
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Well, it happens.
One of the reasons for late-term or partial-birth abortions is outside
pressure from someone who knows the mother, when the mother herself is
conflicted. One example might be a teenage girl who hides the pregnancy
from her parents or boyfriend.
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Re: EWTN TV: The World Over: Donald Trump Interview: 10/27/16 at 8PM EST
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He looked and sounded tired. He is really squeezing a lot of
rallies into these final days. He was respectful, but the interview was
mediocre. I was disappointed in Raymond Arroyo bringing up the sex
accusations. I thought those had been dealt
with and answered and were old news so I wasn't sure why he brought that
up again. I wish Trump sounded a little more passionate about pro-life.
Like I said, he seemed tired and like he was trying to schedule one
more thing into an already busy
schedule. He did not seem very relaxed, but I think it was good he did the interview.
There is no way Hillary could ever appear with Raymond because of her stance on
abortion and now how it has come out they were trying to attempt a Catholic
Spring.
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Re: EWTN TV: The World Over: Donald Trump Interview: 10/27/16 at 8PM EST
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Re: EWTN TV: The World Over: Donald Trump Interview: 10/27/16 at 8PM EST
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If you think someone who has been married
three times and has bragged about being able to grope women whom he is
not married to is not that big a sinner, then you might want to
recalibrate your measure of sin.
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I still think Dante had the calibration right. Lust gets you into
the second circle of hell. Misdirecting people in faith gets you the
eighth circle.
I didn't say lustful activitiy is not sinful (though serial marriage is
not prohibited by Trump's Presbyterian church). I just think there are
things that are much worse from a Catholic standpoint, including
fraudulently directing Catholics away from the teachings of the Church,
as Clinton has done and apparently continues to do. Satan himself is in
the ninth circle.
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Re: EWTN TV: The World Over: Donald Trump Interview: 10/27/16 at 8PM EST
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Hey, thanks!  I didn't see that 'til now.
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Re: EWTN TV: The World Over: Donald Trump Interview: 10/27/16 at 8PM EST
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Muchas gracias! Gonna watch now......
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Re: EWTN TV: The World Over: Donald Trump Interview: 10/27/16 at 8PM EST
Of course Arroyo would interview Trump. World Over Live is a decidedly
partisan "news" outlet and has gotten more so over the past few years.
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Re: EWTN TV: The World Over: Donald Trump Interview: 10/27/16 at 8PM EST
May be he doesn't appreciate being labeled a follower of a backward middle aged dictatorship. 
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Re: EWTN TV: The World Over: Donald Trump Interview: 10/27/16 at 8PM EST
This should be interesting. 
Too bad it wasn't aired until now as Hillary has already won. 
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Re: EWTN TV: The World Over: Donald Trump Interview: 10/27/16 at 8PM EST
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This should be interesting.
Too bad it wasn't aired until now as Hillary has already won. |
Who said Hillary has already won?
The election is still over a week away!
What difference would it make if it was aired a month ago, three months
ago or the night before the election? It was not an earth shattering
interview.
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Re: EWTN TV: The World Over: Donald Trump Interview: 10/27/16 at 8PM EST
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Who said Hillary has already won?
The election is still over a week away!
What difference would it make if it was aired a month ago, three months
ago or the night before the election? It was not an earth shattering
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Due to the large amount of early voters, I think it would have been better to do it before that.
And with the totals so far Hillary is ahead by a landslide. Trump would
have to get the swing states and an additional conversion of an already
blue state to red. That is the latest update I've seen for the voter
counts from early voting.
Trust me, I would love to be wrong.
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Re: EWTN TV: The World Over: Donald Trump Interview: 10/27/16 at 8PM EST
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Of course Arroyo would interview Trump.
World Over Live is a decidedly partisan "news" outlet and has gotten
more so over the past few years.
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EWTN is an authentically faithful Catholic media network. They
invited Hillary multiple times, and her campaign told them they didn't
have time.
Don't let your dislike for EWTN or Arroyo get in the way of what
actually occurred. She couldn't be bothered, likely because they'd ask
her about partial birth abortion and the campaign emails seeking to lead
people from the faith. What could she possibly say? I suspect loyal
EWTN watchers can't stand her, so there wouldn't be much point.
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Re: EWTN TV: The World Over: Donald Trump Interview: 10/27/16 at 8PM EST
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Due to the large amount of early voters, I think it would have been better to do it before that.
And with the totals so far Hillary is ahead by a landslide. Trump would
have to get the swing states and an additional conversion of an already
blue state to red. That is the latest update I've seen for the voter
counts from early voting.
Trust me, I would love to be wrong.
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May I ask where you are getting your information from?
I don't think one interview on EWTN would have had an impact on this election if it had
aired earlier
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EWTN is an authentically faithful
Catholic media network. They invited Hillary multiple times, and her
campaign told them they didn't have time.
Don't let your dislike for EWTN or Arroyo get in the way of what
actually occurred. She couldn't be bothered, likely because they'd ask
her about partial birth abortion and the campaign emails seeking to lead
people from the faith. What could she possibly say? I suspect loyal
EWTN watchers can't stand her, so there wouldn't be much point.
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I agree. She would be in "enemy" territory.
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Due to the large amount of early voters, I think it would have been better to do it before that.
And with the totals so far Hillary is ahead by a landslide. Trump would
have to get the swing states and an additional conversion of an already
blue state to red. That is the latest update I've seen for the voter
counts from early voting.
Trust me, I would love to be wrong.
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Early voting among dems was down from 2012, last I heard, and
while they always do better in early voting, they are behind previous
paces (again, last I checked). Regardless, all early voting totals tell
you is the registered party affiliation. There are no vote totals
revealed until November 8.
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Re: EWTN TV: The World Over: Donald Trump Interview: 10/27/16 at 8PM EST
big league
not
bigly
Thanks Raymond!
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Yea I thought that was cute!
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Yea I thought that was cute!
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more than cute for me
So many times I heard Trump say bigly...wondering if that was even in the dictionary or perhaps a bad word choice.
He enunciates some words differently...like jina instead of China. I
find it warmly humorous and in no way changes my vote for him as
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Re: EWTN TV: The World Over: Donald Trump Interview: 10/27/16 at 8PM EST
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Early voting among dems was down from
2012, last I heard, and while they always do better in early voting,
they are behind previous paces (again, last I checked). Regardless, all
early voting totals tell you is the registered party affiliation. There
are no vote totals revealed until November 8.
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Okay thats good to know. It's still looking bad though.
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Okay thats good to know. It's still looking bad though. |
I don't disagree, but it is also being made to seem that to create
discouragement. This isn't Reagan Mondale by any stretch. We will see
if much happens in the next 11 days.
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May I ask where you are getting your information from?
I don't think one interview on EWTN would have had an impact on this election if it had
aired earlier
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USA Today, New York Times, Huffington Post and BBC all show
Clinton ahead by 8% and most of the swing states are hers. It's not
looking good for Trump at all. 
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more than cute for me
So many times I heard Trump say bigly...wondering if that was even in the dictionary or perhaps a bad word choice.
He enunciates some words differently...like jina instead of China. I
find it warmly humorous and in no way changes my vote for him as
president.
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That was the first time I had heard him and I didn't know if he was saying bigly or big
league either.
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USA Today, New York Times, Huffington
Post and BBC all show Clinton ahead by 8% and most of the swing states
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Well we have already seen leaked emails about the polls being
rigged and the first 3 sources you list are liberal so I wouldn't rely
on those headlines.
I know you were a third party voter who said you couldn't vote for
either Trump or Hillary, but most of your posts gleefully predict a
Clinton victory and a Trump loss.
Clinton might win. Nobody knows. Trump is fighting hard against the corruption of the Clinton campaign.
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I still think Dante had the calibration
right. Lust gets you into the second circle of hell. Misdirecting people
in faith gets you the eighth circle.
I didn't say lustful activitiy is not sinful (though serial marriage is
not prohibited by Trump's Presbyterian church). I just think there are
things that are much worse from a Catholic standpoint, including
fraudulently directing Catholics away from the teachings of the Church,
as Clinton has done and apparently continues to do. Satan himself is in
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Morality of course, is not relative. Donald's sinfulness is not
mitigated by the fact that there are worse sinners out there. Like I
have often said, one cannot vote for Don on his own merits, there is
nothing virtuous about him from a Catholic point of view. One can vote
for him as a lesser evil, although one is not morally obligated to
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Well we have already seen leaked emails
about the polls being rigged and the first 3 sources you list are
liberal so I wouldn't rely on those headlines.
I know you were a third party voter who said you couldn't vote for
either Trump or Hillary, but most of your posts gleefully predict a
Clinton victory and a Trump loss.
Clinton might win. Nobody knows. Trump is fighting hard against the corruption of the Clinton campaign.
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Im not quite sure how you got that I'm "gleeful" about Hillary likely winning.
I do NOT support that woman in any way. Please do NOT associate me with
her. It's getting kind of old to be considered "pro-Hillary" or "pro
choice" simply because I wish to vote third party. Really, REALLY old.
If Trump can pull it off then great. But it doesn't look likely and I'm
just mentally resigning myself to the inevitable. If Obama got elected
twice in this country anyone can get in.
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Morality of course, is not relative.
Donald's sinfulness is not mitigated by the fact that there are worse
sinners out there. Like I have often said, one cannot vote for Don on
his own merits, there is nothing virtuous about him from a Catholic
point of view. One can vote for him as a lesser evil, although one is
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From a Catholic point of view, I don't agree there is nothing virtuous about him.
He is a good father, has been a hard worker and a good provider for his families.
He has been a successful businessman. Granted he has been married 3
times and lived the celebrity life, but I am not willing to say he is
without virtue.
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Im not quite sure how you got that I'm "gleeful" about Hillary likely winning.
I do NOT support that woman in any way. Please do NOT associate me with
her. It's getting kind of old to be considered "pro-Hillary" or "pro
choice" simply because I wish to vote third party. Really, REALLY old.
If Trump can pull it off then great. But it doesn't look likely and I'm
just mentally resigning myself to the inevitable. If Obama got elected
twice in this country anyone can get in. |
You are able to vote for whoever you wish, but if you really don't
want Hillary to win, voting for Donald Trump would do more to achieve
that goal than voting 3rd party.
One of the two is going to win - Trump or Clinton.
I apologize if I insinuated you were gleeful about Hillary winning. Maybe it was the fact
Trump was going to loose. No one will know until Nov. 9th if we are lucky.
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From a Catholic point of view, I don't agree there is nothing virtuous about him.
He is a good father, has been a hard worker and a good provider for his families.
He has been a successful businessman. Granted he has been married 3
times and lived the celebrity life, but I am not willing to say he is
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I voted for him at early voting yesterday. I do think that,
effectively, 2016 is the end of the Republican Party. It is a measure of
their ineptness that in all the party they could not bring one civil,
well spoken person with a captivating vision of the future to the table.
Instead we had the usual old dishwater (and too many of them) served up
against a firebrand. People are sick and tired of the same old, same
old. You could have put all of Trump's opponents (gender aside) in a
blender. Pureed them, poured them into molds and you would have had the
same thing as when they were separate.
Ryan and Boehner (Catholics) have been singularly ineffective as leaders
and engines of change, and engines of stopping Obama's parade of
executive orders. Obama should have been impeached for the Iran oil
"treaty" (advice and consent indeed).
The fact that I have grandchildren facing the result of this group of
useless empty suits makes me sick. So: Trump Pence 2016! (Pardon me,
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From a Catholic point of view, I don't agree there is nothing virtuous about him.
He is a good father, has been a hard worker and a good provider for his families.
He has been a successful businessman. Granted he has been married 3
times and lived the celebrity life, but I am not willing to say he is
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I am not sure that committing adultery or bragging about groping
women makes him a good role model for his children. So I will defer
judgement about his virtue as a parent. Whether he is virtuous in
business is another question. I personally would not do significant
business with an adulterer. Anyone who would cheat on his or her spouse
would likely cheat me as well. We would need more information to
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I voted for him at early voting
yesterday. I do think that, effectively, 2016 is the end of the
Republican Party. It is a measure of their ineptness that in all the
party they could not bring one civil, well spoken person with a
captivating vision of the future to the table. Instead we had the usual
old dishwater (and too many of them) served up against a firebrand.
People are sick and tired of the same old, same old. You could have put
all of Trump's opponents (gender aside) in a blender. Pureed them,
poured them into molds and you would have had the same thing as when
they were separate.
Ryan and Boehner (Catholics) have been singularly ineffective as leaders
and engines of change, and engines of stopping Obama's parade of
executive orders. Obama should have been impeached for the Iran oil
"treaty" (advice and consent indeed).
The fact that I have grandchildren facing the result of this group of
useless empty suits makes me sick. So: Trump Pence 2016! (Pardon me,
have you an airsick bag?)
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Well said!
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I am not sure that committing adultery or
bragging about groping women makes him a good role model for his
children. So I will defer judgement about his virtue as a parent.
Whether he is virtuous in business is another question. I personally
would not do significant business with an adulterer. Anyone who would
cheat on his or her spouse would likely cheat me as well. We would need more information to determine if he was virtuous in business.
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We have all the information. Donald Trump regularly stiffs his
contractors. He even admitted it in one of the presidential debates:
http://fortune.com/2016/09/30/donald...f-contractors/
This link also provides links to all the articles in WSJ, Fox News,
Reuters, NBC News etc. that have investigated the issue (CNN reported as
well).
Trump is NOT virtuous in business. He is an unsavory character all around.
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We have all the information. Donald Trump
regularly stiffs his contractors. He even admitted it in one of the
presidential debates:
http://fortune.com/2016/09/30/donald...f-contractors/
This link also provides links to all the articles in WSJ, Fox News,
Reuters, NBC News etc. that have investigated the issue (CNN reported as
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I believe he says contractors did not get paid if they did not do
the job or did not do a good job. Everyone has the right not to pay
someone if they are hired to do a job and it is not done correctly or
done well.
I think he would have been out of business long ago if he was a shady businessman.
He has been around since the 1970's.
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I believe he says contractors did not get
paid if they did not do the job or did not do a good job. Everyone has
the right not to pay someone if they are hired to do a job and it is not
done correctly or done well.
I think he would have been out of business long ago if he was a shady businessman.
He has been around since the 1970's.
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You should read the links about stiffing of contractors. Trump is much worse than you think.
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You should read the links about stiffing of contractors. Trump is much worse than you think.
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There is the underpaying of the piano supplier. He delivered
100,000 dollars worth of pianos. And was only paid 75, 000. He
negotiated a price, and accepted delivery. Then he decided not to pay
the full amount.
If he didn't like the pianos or thought they were not good pianos, maybe return them?
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There is the underpaying of the piano
supplier. He delivered 100,000 dollars worth of pianos. And was only
paid 75, 000. He negotiated a price, and accepted delivery. Then he
decided not to pay the full amount.
If he didn't like the pianos or thought they were not good pianos, maybe return them?
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What did the piano supplier do to get his $25,000?
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What did the piano supplier do to get his $25,000?
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I believe he says contractors did not get
paid if they did not do the job or did not do a good job. Everyone has
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There are an awful lot of Etsy/Ebay horror stories of people
suddenly refusing to pay for a "poor job" or "item not as described" at
the last minute...yet are somehow veeeeery unwilling to return the item
for a refund even with free return shipping.
Sorry but not all customers are honest. Business predators and fraud do exist out there.
Also
http://correctrecord.org/fact-check-...ing-his-bills/
I typically hate fact checker sites because they tend to play favorites. But there are citations here.
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There are an awful lot of Etsy/Ebay
horror stories of people suddenly refusing to pay for a "poor job" or
"item not as described" at the last minute...yet are somehow veeeeery
unwilling to return the item for a refund even with free return
shipping.
Sorry but not all customers are honest. Business predators and fraud do exist out there.
Also
http://correctrecord.org/fact-check-...ing-his-bills/
Sadly quite a few citations are behind a paywall. But there are citations. |
I have never bought or sold on EBay. It seems risky. What recourse would you have?
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Trump woos Catholic voters in EWTN interview
Trump woos Catholic voters in EWTN interview
Trump told Raymond Arroyo he had undergone a change of heart over abortion
by Staff Reporter posted Friday, 28 Oct 2016
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news...wtn-interview/
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Trump said it was a “personal change”, and that there
were several experiences which changed his mind. One was knowing a
couple, one of whom was pro-life, one pro-choice. “And the baby is such a
magnificent person, who I know.”
Arroyo then asked Trump about the HHS mandate, which would force some
religious organisations to pay for contraception. The Little Sisters of
the Poor and other organisations are challenging the mandate.
Trump said religious liberty was in “tremendous trouble”, and said he
was especially concerned about the law preventing religious leaders from
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Arroyo was genial ... but asked all the tough questions on the most controversial topics facing the Trump candidacy.
Don't know if EWTN has invited Hillary Clinton to do a similar interview
... or if she's already done that (in this election or any previous).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PCsZ_x9Z6s < time: 15:55
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Raymond has a standing invitation out to hillary and Caine. Neither have accepted thus far.
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Evan McMullin for president!
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Evan McMullin for president!
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Because nobody knows about him and the media hasn't tried to dig
any dirt on him. His sole platform is to be anti-trump: he's mitt
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Because nobody knows about him and the
media hasn't tried to dig any dirt on him. His sole platform is to be
anti-trump: he's mitt romneys buddy, that's all.
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And this
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...e_victory.html
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How do you feel about this stated purpose for running?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...e_victory.html
So if he gets his desire - who wins the Presidency ... 
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Voting for any Third Party candidate is not going to advance the
Common Good on Abortion or Gay Marriage or Religious Liberty Civil
Rights.
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Voting for any Third Party candidate is
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I want to know why these third party candidates don't get invited
to debates? If they were viable, they should have been invited. I only
heard of McMullen after some Facebook 'friend' claimed he could prevent
the two main candidates from winning the majority of electoral votes if
he took Utah (six lousy votes). But that is one state. I heard of Jill
Stein only because of the activism in north Dakota to stop the pipeline
from going through sacred grounds. Castle has run at least one other
time. Gary Johnson is libertarian....
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The other candidate openly supports government policies as well as
appointing Pro-Abortion U.S. Supreme Court Justices to replace one dead
and three probable retiring U.S. Supreme Court Justices which will
continue abortion on demand and the murder of around 1 million innocent
unborn children every year for at least the next generation.
Such government policies that support abortion are intrinsically evil.
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The other candidate supports government
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Fornication is the root of most abortions. Therefore, it's equally
intrinsically evil. The way Donald Trump eluded that he would fornicate
with his daughter shows he spreads intrinsic evil probably more than
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Fornication is the root of most
abortions. Therefore, it's equally intrinsically evil. The way Donald
Trump eluded that he would fornicate with his daughter shows he spreads
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He said he might date her if she wasn't his daughter. He didn't say fornicate. Your mind put it there.
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90% of the man used his language skills to communicate that he would fornicate with her.
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Fornication is the root of most
abortions. Therefore, it's equally intrinsically evil. The way Donald
Trump eluded that he would fornicate with his daughter shows he spreads
intrinsic evil probably more than anything out there.
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That is all very interesting about that candidate.
But whatever that candidate said is not equally intrinsically evil with
yearly around 954,000 or more murdered and aborted innocent unborn
children who were created and made in the image of God.
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He said he might date her if she wasn't his daughter. He didn't say fornicate. Your mind put it there.
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Who talks like that about one's daughter?
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That is all very interesting about that candidate.
But whatever that candidate said is not equally intrinsically evil with
yearly around 954,000 or more murdered and aborted innocent unborn
children who were created and made in the image of God.
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Yes. It is equally, if not more intrinsically evil. Those (954,000) have multiple acts of intrinsic evil for each murder.
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Voting for any Third Party candidate is
not going to advance the Common Good on Abortion or Gay Marriage or
Religious Liberty Civil Rights.
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I agree with you but I have women friends appalled by both the
abortion stance of Clinton as well as two college aged daughters who
were appalled by Trump's comments on women especially the comment "
she's got blood coming out of her who knows where" which is on a
commercial for Clinton of course. Needless to say the other comments
about engaging with women were not pleasant to hear either.
Top it off with a friend who has cerebral palsy who wasn't too keen on Trump making fun of a disabled reporter.....etc.
I can't vote for Trump because of these reasons so I will vote for Mike Maturen of the American Solidarity Policy.
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I agree with you but I have women friends
appalled by both the abortion stance of Clinton as well as two college
aged daughters who were appalled by Trump's comments on women especially
the comment " she's got blood coming out of her who knows where" which
is on a commercial for Clinton of course. Needless to say the other
comments about engaging with women were not pleasant to hear either.
Top it off with a friend who has cerebral palsy who wasn't too keen on Trump making fun of a disabled reporter.....etc.
I can't vote for Trump because of these reasons so I will vote for Mike Maturen of the American Solidarity Policy.
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I hope he is eligible to run in your state. He was not on the
ballot in my state. I wouldn't have voted for him because he does not
have a chance of winning and I am hoping my vote will keep Hillary out
of the White House.
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I agree with you but I have women friends
appalled by both the abortion stance of Clinton as well as two college
aged daughters who were appalled by Trump's comments on women especially
the comment " she's got blood coming out of her who knows where" which
is on a commercial for Clinton of course. Needless to say the other
comments about engaging with women were not pleasant to hear either.
Top it off with a friend who has cerebral palsy who wasn't too keen on Trump making fun of a disabled reporter.....etc.
I can't vote for Trump because of these reasons so I will vote for Mike Maturen of the American Solidarity Policy.
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I'll be writing Mike Maturen as well.
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Who talks like that about one's daughter? |
I know right? Creeeeeepy. 
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I know right? Creeeeeepy. |
I do not think it's creepy. He looks at his daughter and is amazed
at how beautiful she is. That is all. His daughter loves and respects
him. He's done a superb job raising all his kids. You may not think or
talk like he, but labeling him a fornicator based on this smacks of a
Pharisee. We'll be judged the way we judge others according to our lord.
Some of us might want to get ready to be judged on everything we ever
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That is all very interesting about that candidate.
But whatever that candidate said is not equally intrinsically evil with
yearly around 954,000 or more murdered and aborted innocent unborn
children who were created and made in the image of God.
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His "Miss America pageants" his name calling of women like Mrs
Cruz all show how he only gives dignity to those who are beautiful. This
corruption has indeed fueled the culture of death, inspired men to
follow his ideals about human dignity (based on beauty) and thus making
fornication, sex trafficking, and abortion more numerious.
Putting Trump as President tells the country that we will only make
human dignity available to the "Beautiful People" - & they'll rock
it to Marilyn Mansion. Women's self esteem will go down and they will
demand more birthconrol and abortions because they do not want to bring
ugly babies into the world.
We talk about how Margaret Singer is promoting Hitler's ideal of beauty
... well, Trump is too, he's just working on the side that tempts males.
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Yes. It is equally, if not more intrinsically evil. Those (954,000) have multiple acts of intrinsic evil for each murder.
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No one is following whatever it is you are saying, much less
agreeing with you body language percentages, but if you think Trump's
comment about Ivanka is worse than the number of children killed by
abortion, so be it. I don't, and the Church would certainly disagree,
but you can think whatever you want.
I find boorishness and crassness unbecoming. It does however rank a bit farther down on my list than abortive D&Cs though.
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No one is following whatever it is you
are saying, much less agreeing with you body language percentages, but
if you think Trump's comment about Ivanka is worse than the number of
children killed by abortion, so be it. I don't, and the Church would
certainly disagree, but you can think whatever you want.
I find boorishness and crassness unbecoming. It does however rank a bit farther down on my list than abortive D&Cs though.
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You are too afraid to look into the womb of abortion. Why does abortion happen?
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I understood what you were saying.
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I understood what you were saying.
All sins against the 10 commandments are mortal, we can't pick and choose. |
Yes, but the others indicate that murder is greater than
fornication. They fail to connect the dots to see that fornication
causes the majority of abortions. Thereby, their argument is HRC is
intrinsically evil and DT is not. DT is equally intrinsically evil as
HRC.
"We can't pick and choose"
Ummm this is an election, are we not called to pick and choose?
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Yes, but the others indicate that murder
is greater than fornication. They fail to connect the dots to see that
fornication causes the majority of abortions. Thereby, their argument is
HRC is intrinsically evil and DT is not. DT is equally intrinsically
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Yes I understood that. I was just agreeing with you. I'm not always the best with words.
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Yes I understood that. I was just agreeing with you. I'm not always the best with words. |
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I do not think it's creepy. He looks at his daughter and is amazed at how beautiful she is. That is all.
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My husband believes our daughters are beautiful. He has never
spoken of "dating" them if they weren't his children, and he too finds
Trump's comments to be beyond creepy. The man actually considered what
his daughter's breasts would be like while she was still an infant. I
can't think of any way to legitimately explain such lecherous comments.
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You may not think or talk like he, but labeling him a fornicator based on this smacks of a Pharisee.
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No one needs to base their view of Trump as a fornicator on this.
He is a fornicator. His affair with Marla Maples demonstrates this quite
clearly.
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We'll be judged the way we judge others
according to our lord. Some of us might want to get ready to be judged
on everything we ever said and thought.
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I am happy to be judged on the same criteria! I welcome it. But of
course, I'm not running for president and so I don't need to watch what
I say. Presidents can't simply say whatever pops into their heads.
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My husband believes our daughters are
beautiful. He has never spoken of "dating" them if they weren't his
children, and he too finds Trump's comments to be beyond creepy. The man
actually considered what his daughter's breasts would be like while she
was still an infant. I can't think of any way to legitimately explain
such lecherous comments.
No one needs to base their view of Trump as a fornicator on this. He is a
fornicator. His affair with Marla Maples demonstrates this quite
clearly.
I am happy to be judged on the same criteria! I welcome it. But of
course, I'm not running for president and so I don't need to watch what I
say. Presidents can't simply say whatever pops into their heads.
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This is why I always urge people to look beyond the person running if there is no better alternative and evaluate the policies.
So Trump is a fornicator. Hillary is a habitual liar, both in
unimportant things (rallies) and in serious matters (Congressional
testimony, the FBI). She is also corrupt and willing to do nearly
anything for favors or money, as emails continue to show. Her campaign
staff also thinks she is crazy, also from the leaked emails.
I don't think making a character case against Trump holds any water, unless one is a third party voter. Don't you agree?
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This is why I always urge people to look beyond the person running if there is no better alternative and evaluate the policies.
So Trump is a fornicator. Hillary is a habitual liar, both in
unimportant things (rallies) and in serious matters (Congressional
testimony, the FBI). She is also corrupt and willing to do nearly
anything for favors or money, as emails continue to show. Her campaign
staff also thinks she is crazy, also from the leaked emails.
I don't think making a character case against Trump holds any water, unless one is a third party voter. Don't you agree? |
I do not agree. I think much of your characterization of Clinton
is exaggeration and opinion. I have heard the very same epitaphs (liar,
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Yes, but the others indicate that murder
is greater than fornication. They fail to connect the dots to see that
fornication causes the majority of abortions. Thereby, their argument is
HRC is intrinsically evil and DT is not. DT is equally intrinsically
evil as HRC.
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Look, I agree that fornication is wrong. I agree that "Thou shalt
not murder" and "Thou shalt not commit adultery" are next to each other
on the list of commandments, and that the Sexual Revolution has drawn
out connections between the two. However, is DT planning on implementing
policies that champion fornication? If the Republican platform included
fornication as a matter of a constitutionally protected right that
should be championed, then certainly I could not vote for him.
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This is why I always urge people to look beyond the person running if there is no better alternative and evaluate the policies.
So Trump is a fornicator. Hillary is a habitual liar, both in
unimportant things (rallies) and in serious matters (Congressional
testimony, the FBI). She is also corrupt and willing to do nearly
anything for favors or money, as emails continue to show. Her campaign
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I don't think making a character case against Trump holds any water, unless one is a third party voter. Don't you agree? |
I think those voting for Trump because they believe he's
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I do not agree. I think much of your
characterization of Clinton is exaggeration and opinion. I have heard
the very same epitaphs (liar, corrupt) applied to Trump. It all depends
on where you are coming from.
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When I have time, I'll (or someone) will post the list of her
blatant lies. So say nothing of her disregard for national security. For
pete's sake, in the latest dump, they were forwarding classified info
to a yahoo account, while a Navy sailor sits in jail for doing far less
in his mishandling of classified information! I get that the average joe
doesn't get or understand the serious nature of actually respecting
national security, but those who deal in it certainly do, and when our
intel fails us, and we are hit with an attack, suddenly people decide
this sort of thing is important.
No one assessing this honestly think's her issues with the truth are
overblown. She has a history of scandals popping up unlike any other
politician we have seen. It can't just be bad luck.
But if you want to pretend her issues with honesty are overblown, go
ahead; I seriously doubt most folks would agree with you, even if they
support her.
Her character is no better than Trump's, and IMO, is far worse.
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I think those voting for Trump because
they believe he's legitimately pro-life should acknowledge this instead
of attempting to rehabilitate his personal image.
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I believe trump has flaws like everyone else but has virtues such
as courage and honesty as well as leadership skills that will serve the
country well. I don't beleive he is defined by fornication like hillary
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Look, I agree that fornication is wrong. I
agree that "Thou shalt not murder" and "Thou shalt not commit adultery"
are next to each other on the list of commandments, and that the Sexual
Revolution has drawn out connections between the two. However, is DT
planning on implementing policies that champion fornication? If the
Republican platform included fornication as a matter of a
constitutionally protected right that should be championed, then
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As an employer, we can see how he treated Miss Universe by calling
her names. Do we want the same when applied to healthcare? Only women
with certain BMI's can get affordable healthcare? DT seems to
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As an employer, we can see how he treated
Miss Universe by calling her names. Do we want the same when applied to
healthcare? Only women with certain BMI's can get affordable
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The mudslinging is really getting desperate. Just throw anything
at he guy to see if it sticks. Meanwhile pray that nobody pays attention
to hillay scandals. Nice try.
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The mudslinging is really getting
desperate. Just throw anything at he guy to see if it sticks. Meanwhile
pray that nobody pays attention to hillay scandals. Nice try.
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I don't like HC either.
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babies that will die in her reign if she's elected.  It's been a looooooong few months here.
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I believe trump has flaws like everyone
else but has virtues such as courage and honesty as well as leadership
skills that will serve the country well. I don't beleive he is defined
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He has honesty as a virtue? This trait is applied to him based on
bias because he certainly hasn't earned it but I'm sure it makes voting
for him more palatable. He has lied/misled many times this election
cycle and even this week. He might have even lied/misled today, wouldn't
surprise me.
Has he lied/misled this election cycle? This month? This week? If the answer is yes, is he honest?
And before anyone says but Hillary lies/misleads too, I agree. She has
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politician. I think lying and/or misleading people is a requirement to
being a successful politician.
And why do politicians lie? Because it works.
They think if the people I'm lying to identify with my party they won't
care. Or if I'm lying about our "enemy," the people won't care.
And they are right. Too many people don't care about the lie as long as its in their favor(Christians included).
When peoples want to hold politicians accountable for lying and
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Me neither. But around here if you vote
third party you are pro-Hillary, pro-choice and responsible for the
millions of innocent babies that will die in her reign if she's elected.
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He has honesty as a virtue? This trait is
applied to him based on bias because he certainly hasn't earned it but
I'm sure it makes voting for him more palatable. He has lied/misled many
times this election cycle and even this week. He might have even
lied/misled today, wouldn't surprise me.
Has he lied/misled this election cycle? This month? This week? If the answer is yes, is he honest?
And before anyone says but Hillary lies/misleads too, I agree. She has
lied/misled this election cycle, this month and this week. She's a
politician. I think lying and/or misleading people is a requirement to
being a successful politician.
And why do politicians lie? Because it works.
They think if the people I'm lying to identify with my party they won't
care. Or if I'm lying about our "enemy," the people won't care.
And they are right. Too many people don't care about the lie as long as its in their favor(Christians included).
When peoples want to hold politicians accountable for lying and
misleading the public, it doesn't work when you only call out your
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Me neither. But around here if you vote
third party you are pro-Hillary, pro-choice and responsible for the
millions of innocent babies that will die in her reign if she's elected.
It's been a looooooong few months here. |
For a person to choose at this juncture to focus on attacking
trump is nothing less than supporting hillary. If indeed you are voting
third person then be neutral. To attack trump like he's the worst human
ever to run is pro-hillary, no matter how you cut it. For all we know,
hillary is paying for ads and sending out fliers to even republican
households to say trump is so awful even if you don't like me please
hate him. I'm not kidding as I have received multiple fliers like that
from the DNC. Hillays strategy is to say, look how awful trump is! She'd
rather people stay home or vote third party than Vote for trump. By all
means do whatever you wish, but don't flaunt your third-party integrity
in our face and trash trump left and right and expect us to just
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For a person to choose at this juncture to focus on attacking trump is nothing less than supporting hillary.
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No, it's not. It's being honest. The above statement is a false dilemma.
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If indeed you are voting third person then be neutral.
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Those voting third party typically recognize tremendous flaws with
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To attack trump like he's the worst human ever to run is pro-hillary, no matter how you cut it.
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By all means do whatever you wish, but
don't flaunt your third-party integrity in our face and trash trump left
and right and expect us to just listen.
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Watching the show again, I couldn't find what Mr Trump could bring to
our country. It was good to watch and I enjoyed the respectful tone of
the show. Yet, there is no real direction for the country (have not seen
that from HC either). I truely believe this two party system is broke.
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As an employer, we can see how he treated
Miss Universe by calling her names. Do we want the same when applied to
healthcare? Only women with certain BMI's can get affordable
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Thanks for your response. I guess I think that he himself will not
personally be handling every little decision. Our Bishops in CO have
made very clear that we must look at platforms. However, I certainly
share in your distaste for him. I'm not about to turn away from the
other people in his cabinet who can effect some good, though. Or, the
Supreme Court.
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Thanks for your response. I guess I think
that he himself will not personally be handling every little decision.
Our Bishops in CO have made very clear that we must look at platforms.
However, I certainly share in your distaste for him. I'm not about to
turn away from the other people in his cabinet who can effect some good,
though. Or, the Supreme Court.
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Mr Trump seems louder than any of the cabinet members. Supreme
Court, I wish for a good mix, and will have to hope congress will do a
good job on keeping a balance.
I can only think of Mr Trump as an eugenics promoter and advocate. His
views of women, handycapped, immigrants, and other less fortunate
members of society make it look like it's heading to a eugenic
purification headed by Mr Trump. His past bankruptcies lead me to
believe he is planning on having a garage sale on the USA. I cannot vote
for him even with the best cabinet group and Supreme Court influence.
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For a person to choose at this juncture
to focus on attacking trump is nothing less than supporting hillary. If
indeed you are voting third person then be neutral. To attack trump like
he's the worst human ever to run is pro-hillary, no matter how you cut
it. For all we know, hillary is paying for ads and sending out fliers to
even republican households to say trump is so awful even if you don't
like me please hate him. I'm not kidding as I have received multiple
fliers like that from the DNC. Hillays strategy is to say, look how
awful trump is! She'd rather people stay home or vote third party than
Vote for trump. By all means do whatever you wish, but don't flaunt your
third-party integrity in our face and trash trump left and right and
expect us to just listen.
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To attack Trump is simply not to support Clinton. That's ridiculous.
I cannot bring myself to vote for Mr. Trump, for good and valid reasons.
And I will try to engage those who are interested in real, constructive
debate about what I think those reasons are. But to reject the idea of
"President Trump" is not to endorse the idea of "President Clinton."
I might genuinely not want either of them to be our next president (even
if I'd rest easier with Clinton as president than with Trump as
president). I might genuinely prefer another candidate (Mike Maturen of
the American Solidarity Party, for instance). And if that candidate were
on the ballot in my state, I could pull the lever in good conscience,
knowing that even if Mr. Maturen will not be elected, I'm letting the
other parties know that there are people out there (hopefully a lot of
them) who are rejecting the same-old same-old of both parties, and are
demanding something different.
My conscience is quite clear.
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Mr Trump seems louder than any of the
cabinet members. Supreme Court, I wish for a good mix, and will have to
hope congress will do a good job on keeping a balance.
I can only think of Mr Trump as an eugenics promoter and advocate. His
views of women, handycapped, immigrants, and other less fortunate
members of society make it look like it's heading to a eugenic
purification headed by Mr Trump. His past bankruptcies lead me to
believe he is planning on having a garage sale on the USA. I cannot vote
for him even with the best cabinet group and Supreme Court influence.
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Mighty thin reasons (all just opinion without supporting facts;
basically aesthetics) to justify one's failure to oppose clear and
obvious evil; an evil that says its own name loud and clear.
Let's think for a moment about that "good mix". In the Supreme Court
case of Carhart vs. Gonzales, EVERY Repub appointee voted to uphold
state bans on partial birth abortion (also supported by the great
majority of Americans). EVERY Dem appointee voted in favor of partial
birth abortion. The state bans were upheld by one vote, and one of those
voting in favor of the bans has died.
So, a "good mix", then, is Hillary Clinton appointing justices who will
reverse Carhart and make partial birth abortion the indisputable law of
the land?
One should think this out again. And there is no virtue, either, in
being a prideful "bystander" who refuses to oppose things like partial
birth abortion.
Of course, if one favors partial birth abortion and wants to pay taxes
to support abortion on demand, one would either vote Clinton or throw
his vote away.
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To attack Trump is simply not to support Clinton. That's ridiculous.
I cannot bring myself to vote for Mr. Trump, for good and valid reasons.
And I will try to engage those who are interested in real, constructive
debate about what I think those reasons are. But to reject the idea of
"President Trump" is not to endorse the idea of "President Clinton."
I might genuinely not want either of them to be our next president (even
if I'd rest easier with Clinton as president than with Trump as
president). I might genuinely prefer another candidate (Mike Maturen of
the American Solidarity Party, for instance). And if that candidate were
on the ballot in my state, I could pull the lever in good conscience,
knowing that even if Mr. Maturen will not be elected, I'm letting the
other parties know that there are people out there (hopefully a lot of
them) who are rejecting the same-old same-old of both parties, and are
demanding something different.
My conscience is quite clear.
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Interesting that it would be.
Some supporters of Hillary Clinton, to be sure, are young people who do
not think they will ever have to explain to their children,
grandchildren or to God why it was that they voted for killing unborn
children and massive corruption besides. Oftentimes, of course, the
young are not reflective. Oftentimes that comes with age and the
proximity of one's having to explain one's deeds.
But it would be refreshing even so, to see some of the Hillary
supporters simply admit that they support elective abortion and are
willing to vote for corruption in order to protect it.
Many do, of course, and cast their votes at the Dem convention to put it
loud and clear in their platform. Some, however, are less courageous
and pose aesthetic reasons not to oppose it, knowing even so that their
non-opposition serves it.
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Mighty thin reasons (all just opinion
without supporting facts; basically aesthetics) to justify one's failure
to oppose clear and obvious evil; an evil that says its own name loud
and clear.
Let's think for a moment about that "good mix". In the Supreme Court
case of Carhart vs. Gonzales, EVERY Repub appointee voted to uphold
state bans on partial birth abortion (also supported by the great
majority of Americans). EVERY Dem appointee voted in favor of partial
birth abortion. The state bans were upheld by one vote, and one of those
voting in favor of the bans has died.
So, a "good mix", then, is Hillary Clinton appointing justices who will
reverse Carhart and make partial birth abortion the indisputable law of
the land?
One should think this out again. And there is no virtue, either, in
being a prideful "bystander" who refuses to oppose things like partial
birth abortion.
Of course, if one favors partial birth abortion and wants to pay taxes
to support abortion on demand, one would either vote Clinton or throw
his vote away.
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I do not support abortion, I do not want tax money to apply to
abortion. It is eugenics. Basically, the choice is eugenics from a male
perspective (Trump making fun of the handycap, women, & immigrants)
or eugenics in response to male eugenics. Which came first, the chicken
Or the egg? We get to pick our eugenics poisen. Our vote will taint our
souls as has been told. I can only hope others will join in on following
the USA Declaration of Independence and vote to break the two party
system.
"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably
the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute
Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such
Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
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There is one thing that would make me vote for Trump: should he rally
everyone up to make pornography on the internet and on paper illegal ...
then I would see this as an outward sign and there was an inward change
on his eugenic philosophy thereby giving me hope for his leadership.
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I do not support abortion, I do not want
tax money to apply to abortion. It is eugenics. Basically, the choice is
eugenics from a male perspective (Trump making fun of the handycap,
women, & immigrants) or eugenics in response to male eugenics. Which
came first, the chicken Or the egg? We get to pick our eugenics poisen.
Our vote will taint our souls as has been told. I can only hope others
will join in on following the USA Declaration of Independence and vote
to break the two party system.
"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably
the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute
Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such
Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
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You might accurately call your objections any number of things,
but "eugenics" is not one of them. The closest thing to actual eugenics
going on in this country is the staggeringly high number of abortions in
the black community. And Hillary Clinton is in full-throated support of
that, and so is her political party. They just didn't add "black" to
the total support of abortion in their platform.
And there's no such thing as "male eugenics". There is only "eugenics".
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Interesting that it would be.
Some supporters of Hillary Clinton, to be sure, are young people who do
not think they will ever have to explain to their children,
grandchildren or to God why it was that they voted for killing unborn
children and massive corruption besides. Oftentimes, of course, the
young are not reflective. Oftentimes that comes with age and the
proximity of one's having to explain one's deeds.
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Well, I'm pushing 60, so hopefully I've gotten more reflective
with age. In fact, I know I have -- I'm certain my attitudes about a lot
of things have matured. And that's not unrelated to the fact that my
faith has deepened as I've aged.
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But it would be refreshing even so, to
see some of the Hillary supporters simply admit that they support
elective abortion and are willing to vote for corruption in order to
protect it.
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I'm pretty sure there are plenty of people out there who are going
to vote for Clinton on Tuesday who don't support elective abortion.
They don't have to admit any such thing. Many of them, with well-formed
consciences, just see Clinton as the lesser of two evils, having
considered the situation.
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You might accurately call your objections
any number of things, but "eugenics" is not one of them. The closest
thing to actual eugenics going on in this country is the staggeringly
high number of abortions in the black community. And Hillary Clinton is
in full-throated support of that, and so is her political party. They
just didn't add "black" to the total support of abortion in their
platform.
And there's no such thing as "male eugenics". There is only "eugenics".
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As defined by Wiki:
It is a social philosophy advocating the improvement of human genetic
traits through the promotion of higher rates of sexual reproduction for
people with desired traits (positive eugenics), or reduced rates of
sexual reproduction and sterilization of people with less-desired or
undesired traits (negative eugenics) ...
Taking such, male eugenics would be having one or more wife and
flaunting their beauty, & discarding them to fulfil "negative
eugenics". Trumps wonder impression of the handycaped reporter makes him
look like a retard who is showing his eugenic philosophy toward the
crippled. Immigration -- again, total eugenic philosophy applied here.
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As defined by Wiki:
It is a social philosophy advocating the improvement of human genetic
traits through the promotion of higher rates of sexual reproduction for
people with desired traits (positive eugenics), or reduced rates of
sexual reproduction and sterilization of people with less-desired or
undesired traits (negative eugenics) ...
Taking such, male eugenics would be having one or more wife and
flaunting their beauty, & discarding them to fulfil "negative
eugenics". Trumps wonder impression of the handycaped reporter makes him
look like a retard who is showing his eugenic philosophy toward the
crippled. Immigration -- again, total eugenic philosophy applied here.
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I won't argue about the Wikipedia definition, but multiple
marriage is hardly "eugenics", opposition to illegal immigration isn't,
and mocking someone isn't either. Trump neither encourages reproduction
in some people nor does he prevent it in others.
Hillary, of course, promotes abortion. Let's think about that. 40% of
black unborn children are aborted. Nowadays, virtually all Downs and
other unborn children with defects are aborted. That's "eugenics" with a
capital "E" and Hillary Clinton and her party support it.
But I expect you like the word and will continue to apply it where it doesn't fit.
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Well, I'm pushing 60, so hopefully I've
gotten more reflective with age. In fact, I know I have -- I'm certain
my attitudes about a lot of things have matured. And that's not
unrelated to the fact that my faith has deepened as I've aged.
I'm pretty sure there are plenty of people out there who are going to
vote for Clinton on Tuesday who don't support elective abortion. They
don't have to admit any such thing. Many of them, with well-formed
consciences, just see Clinton as the lesser of two evils, having
considered the situation.
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There are plenty of people who will vote Clinton, no question
about that. They can admit what they want and deny what they want. And
some will be proud of supporting elective abortion and partial birth
abortion, both of which Clinton supports.
But no Catholic who is remotely well-informed can think of Clinton as
the "lesser of two evils" without either ignoring Clinton's overt
anti-Catholicism, incredible corruption and promotion of abortion.
Abortion, as three Popes have said, is "intrinsically evil", and we
cannot support it unless the opponent also promotes an equally or more
grave intrinsic evil. So, in "forming conscience" we have to ask
ourselves what does Trump support that's "equally or more grave" than
the killing of a million children per year?
There is nothing. And no one in the Church has said there is.
Trump has promised to appoint prolife justices to the Supreme Court, and
the nature of his constituency guarantees that he can't back down on
that. Clinton has promised to appoint pro-abortion justices to the
Court, and the nature of her constituency guarantees that she can't back
down from it either.
But some, to be sure, are determined to support elective abortion,
anti-Catholicism and incredible corruption, but call it something else.
It's moral cyanide in cherry syrup. But some will take it anyway.
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As we know from the Podesta emails, the Clinton campaign has promoted
dissident Catholicism that denies the teachings of the Church and
directs toward immoral beliefs. But this is not new with them, as we
know. Nor is it exclusive to them, as we know.
It's a terrible thing to see how well they have succeeded.
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I won't argue about the Wikipedia
definition, but multiple marriage is hardly "eugenics", opposition to
illegal immigration isn't, and mocking someone isn't either. Trump
neither encourages reproduction in some people nor does he prevent it in
others.
Hillary, of course, promotes abortion. Let's think about that. 40% of
black unborn children are aborted. Nowadays, virtually all Downs and
other unborn children with defects are aborted. That's "eugenics" with a
capital "E" and Hillary Clinton and her party support it.
But I expect you like the word and will continue to apply it where it doesn't fit.
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I hear you ... you are saying what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander.
So you will be blind to his philosophy and unchecked actions? His
actions, body, and soul scream corruption of eugenics. Many say they
expect him to follow through like Hitler. What does Supreme Court Judges
matter if we have a corrupt government who ignores human dignity to
women, cripple, and immigrants? What does a good cabinet do when the
leader confuses the senate and congress causing failed tnotes? What does
it matter when China comes to collect debt due to it after the broken
tnotes? Russia, they'll be laughing at us and stepping on our broken
system.
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Mr Trump seems louder than any of the
cabinet members. Supreme Court, I wish for a good mix, and will have to
hope congress will do a good job on keeping a balance.
I can only think of Mr Trump as an eugenics promoter and advocate. His
views of women, handycapped, immigrants, and other less fortunate
members of society make it look like it's heading to a eugenic
purification headed by Mr Trump. His past bankruptcies lead me to
believe he is planning on having a garage sale on the USA. I cannot vote
for him even with the best cabinet group and Supreme Court influence.
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This is Trump long before he started his run for the presidency -
16 years ago .... I think the narrative that has been sold is not that
accurate and is biased and unbalanced
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bY_QmA9Vu4
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This is Trump long before he started his
run for the presidency - 16 years ago .... I think the narrative that
has been sold is not that accurate and is biased and unbalanced
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It was during the election process where he imitated someone to
indicate they are retarded. Funny how his wife wants to work on cyber
bullying while her husband is bullying the cripples by using body
language to belittle them.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/11...man-sot-ac.cnn
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Abortion, as three Popes have said, is
"intrinsically evil", and we cannot support it unless the opponent also
promotes an equally or more grave intrinsic evil. So, in "forming
conscience" we have to ask ourselves what does Trump support that's
"equally or more grave" than the killing of a million children per year?
There is nothing. And no one in the Church has said there is.
Trump has promised to appoint prolife justices to the Supreme Court, and
the nature of his constituency guarantees that he can't back down on
that. Clinton has promised to appoint pro-abortion justices to the
Court, and the nature of her constituency guarantees that she can't back
down from it either.
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In the last month, I've experienced something unprecedented in my
young life; I've heard three Bishops in my state unite to say we may not
vote for pro-choice candidates in good conscience, and I've heard homilies
from three different priests in three different parishes urging us to
vote pro-life. Colorado is a battleground state, and if Catholics vote
majority Clinton here, it's not due to the inaction of the clergy. The
clergy here see the warning signs.
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There are plenty of people who will vote
Clinton, no question about that. They can admit what they want and deny
what they want. And some will be proud of supporting elective abortion
and partial birth abortion, both of which Clinton supports.
But no Catholic who is remotely well-informed can think of Clinton as
the "lesser of two evils" without either ignoring Clinton's overt
anti-Catholicism, incredible corruption and promotion of abortion.
Abortion, as three Popes have said, is "intrinsically evil", and we
cannot support it unless the opponent also promotes an equally or more
grave intrinsic evil. So, in "forming conscience" we have to ask
ourselves what does Trump support that's "equally or more grave" than
the killing of a million children per year?
There is nothing. And no one in the Church has said there is.
Trump has promised to appoint prolife justices to the Supreme Court, and
the nature of his constituency guarantees that he can't back down on
that. Clinton has promised to appoint pro-abortion justices to the
Court, and the nature of her constituency guarantees that she can't back
down from it either.
But some, to be sure, are determined to support elective abortion,
anti-Catholicism and incredible corruption, but call it something else.
It's moral cyanide in cherry syrup. But some will take it anyway.
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"Default Intrinsically evil acts
An intrinsically evil act is a type of act that is, by its very nature,
immoral. Intrinsically evil acts are inherently incompatible with the
love of God and neighbor. What makes an act intrinsically evil is its
moral object, that is, the end in terms of morality toward which that
act is inherently ordered. By its very nature, independent of the
intention of the person who chooses the act and independent of the
circumstances, an intrinsically evil act is ordered toward an evil end,
toward an end incompatible with God as our highest good and final end.
Intrinsically evil acts are always immoral, regardless of the intention
or purpose for which the act was chosen, regardless of the circumstances
or consequences of the act, and regardless of the other acts that are
chosen before, during, or after the intrinsically evil act. Nothing can
cause an intrinsically evil act to become moral. The only moral choice
is to choose a different type of act, one that is not intrinsically
evil.
"Reason attests that there are objects of the human act which are by
their nature 'incapable of being ordered' to God, because they radically
contradict the good of the person made in his image. These are the acts
which, in the Church's moral tradition, have been termed 'intrinsically
evil' (intrinsece malum): they are such always and per se, in other
words, on account of their very object, and quite apart from the
ulterior intentions of the one acting and the circumstances." (Veritatis
Splendor, n. 80).
"In teaching the existence of intrinsically evil acts, the Church
accepts the teaching of Sacred Scripture. The Apostle Paul emphatically
states: 'Do not be deceived: neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor
adulterers, nor sexual perverts, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor
drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the Kingdom of God' (1
Cor 6:9-10)." (Veritatis Splendor, n. 81).
"If acts are intrinsically evil, a good intention or particular
circumstances can diminish their evil, but they cannot remove it. They
remain 'irremediably' evil acts; per se and in themselves they are not
capable of being ordered to God and to the good of the person….
Consequently, circumstances or intentions can never transform an act
intrinsically evil by virtue of its object into an act 'subjectively'
good or defensible as a choice." (Veritatis Splendor, n. 81).
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/jo...lendor_en.html
Examples of intrinsically evil acts:
murder
direct abortion
contraception
euthanasia
theft
lying
fornication
adultery
blasphemy
Intrinsically evil acts are never justified by intention, nor by circumstances, nor by other acts."
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=476417
Looking at the list of intrinsically evil acts we can see that both HC
& DT are equal in their intrinsic evil acts. I have been listening
to the bishops and take seriously intrinsic evil. However, I also see
the list also prohibits me from voting for DT. I have been a republican
since I could say, "Dirty Democrates & Rightious Republicans". But I
cannot vote for DT. I take the same logic outlined by the Bishopes and
can say the exact same thing about DT. 1 Cor 6 is writen in my
recreation. It tells me how dangerious DT is and therefore, I can only
vote my conscience by supporting Evan McMillan. I have to have faith in
my fellow Catholics, citizens, congress, senate, & most of all God
to protect us from both intrinsically evil canadates.
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Re: EWTN TV: The World Over: Donald Trump Interview: 10/27/16 at 8PM EST
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Originally Posted by Giggly Giraffe
It was during the election process where
he imitated someone to indicate they are retarded. Funny how his wife
wants to work on cyber bullying while her husband is bullying the
cripples by using body language to belittle them.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/11...man-sot-ac.cnn |
Funny how Hillary and Michelle were so "shocked and disgusted"
by what Trump said on a tape from a decade ago ... but how both court
the Rappers who spew hate filled misogynistic racist garbage that
glorifies "F**king yo Ho, yo Sistah, yo Mama, yo B**ch and tells people
to kill Cops and "Whitie" and celebrates drugs, robbery, murder and
mayhem ....This into the ears of children and young adults - 24/7/365
... then there is Myley Cyrus and a host of others .. sexually explicit
videos to go along with the lyrics ...
In fact - these people get feted at the White House with dinner and wine
with the President - they are brought on stage and hugged, celebrated
held up as model citizens .. and they accept their money too - all with
not an ounce of disgust or angst ..
It was in the election that Hillary declared many Americans "deplorable
and irredeemable" and oh yes - children in the womb have no
constitutional rights and can be murdered at the point of being born ...
And that little girl Trump helped - if Hillary was giving counsel to
that girls mother and they knew her disease in utero - well .. lets just
say he would not have been on Povich's show - she would not have
survived the womb ...
I think the Trump in the video is probably more realistic of the man then whats been portrayed in the media
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Re: EWTN TV: The World Over: Donald Trump Interview: 10/27/16 at 8PM EST
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Originally Posted by YADA
Funny how Hillary and Michelle were so "shocked and disgusted"
by what Trump said on a tape from a decade ago ... but how both court
the Rappers who spew hate filled misogynistic racist garbage that
glorifies "F**king yo Ho, yo Sistah, yo Mama, yo B**ch and tells people
to kill Cops and "Whitie" and celebrates drugs, robbery, murder and
mayhem ....This into the ears of children and young adults - 24/7/365
... then there is Myley Cyrus and a host of others .. sexually explicit
videos to go along with the lyrics ...
In fact - these people get feted at the White House with dinner and wine
with the President - they are brought on stage and hugged, celebrated
held up as model citizens .. and they accept their money too - all with
not an ounce of disgust or angst ..
It was in the election that Hillary declared many Americans "deplorable
and irredeemable" and oh yes - children in the womb have no
constitutional rights and can be murdered at the point of being born ...
And that little girl Trump helped - if Hillary was giving counsel to
that girls mother and they knew her disease in utero - well .. lets just
say he would not have been on Povich's show - she would not have
survived the womb ...
I think the Trump in the video is probably more realistic of the man then whats been portrayed in the media |
Thank God people like you can see through the fog of deception that is so thick.
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Re: EWTN TV: The World Over: Donald Trump Interview: 10/27/16 at 8PM EST
Well, the Trump supports will remain after the election; win or loose. I
must say, they scare me more than Trump. Should Trump win, I hope he
will lead the mobs of people who want what he is promoting. History
shows that this usually is not the case, and mob mentality goes amuck.
I also read somewhere that it's trending politically for dictator like
candidates to return three to four times until they get their Political
power. Sigh, its hard to "be not afraid".
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