Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump

Oct 9, '16, 1:41 pm

7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,865 Religion: Catholic

Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by randomuser Sad day for the pro-life movement. It will take more than 43 years to un-do all the damage Trump has done to the pro-life cause. And there's no guarantee (far from it) a Democratic-controlled Congress will approve a "pro-life" SCOTUS nominee -- the possibility of which, as far as I can tell, is the ONLY thing that makes the guy "pro-life." Hillary doesn't even need to prepare for the 2nd debate. All she has to do is show up and try not to break character like she's on an SNL skit trying not to laugh. Prayers that Trump does the right thing and steps down. and why do you think it is the right thing for him to step down? week after week information is being leaked for months about Hillary. she should have bowed out a long long time ago! __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139

#17   Oct 9, '16, 1:42 pm

Beautiful Senior Member Join Date: June 13, 2007 Posts: 6,897 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam Just in case you were wondering if the moderator tonight will be unbiased: The first set of debate questions tonight will be about lewd Trump tape, and Clinton will answer first: http://cbsn.ws/2d4J2es Every American should be angry. There are far more important matters to discuss and we have to listen to them debate junk! BOTH Trump and Clinton should boycott the debate if that is what mods want them to debate...junk.

#18   Oct 9, '16, 1:45 pm

Inisfallen Regular Member Join Date: November 9, 2013 Posts: 1,477 Religion: Catholic

Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam Just in case you were wondering if the moderator tonight will be unbiased: The first set of debate questions tonight will be about lewd Trump tape, and Clinton will answer first: http://cbsn.ws/2d4J2es Bringing up Trump's words doesn't make the debate, or the moderators, biased. It's an issue, people are concerned, and even prominent people in Trump's own party (McCain, Romney, Ryan, Ayotte, McConnell, etc.) have spoken harshly about Trump's words. Of course they're going to bring it up. It's an issue. That said, I think the smartest thing for Clinton to do would be to respond to questions about this by saying something like "I'll let Mr. Trump's words speak for themselves," and just drop it there.

#19   Oct 9, '16, 1:45 pm

Beautiful Senior Member Join Date: June 13, 2007 Posts: 6,897 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Lets here them discuss the national debt. $ 19,642,992,???,??? and counting!!!!! and the surge of illegal immigrants as discussed by border patrol council member and agent Chris Harris https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsM_FsMufaY Last edited by Beautiful; Oct 9, '16 at 1:56 pm.

#20   Oct 9, '16, 1:51 pm

ProVobis Forum Elder Join Date: January 26, 2008 Posts: 43,226 Religion: Catholic

Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows and why do you think it is the right thing for him to step down? week after week information is being leaked for months about Hillary. she should have bowed out a long long time ago! Pence might have a better chance against Clinton?

#21   Oct 9, '16, 1:54 pm

Inisfallen Regular Member Join Date: November 9, 2013 Posts: 1,477 Religion: Catholic

Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by ProVobis Pence might have a better chance against Clinton? I have a feeling that's true. I don't like the idea of a Pence presidency, but it scares me a lot less than a Trump presidency. The Republicans might do well with Pence as a candidate. They'd pick up the votes of the "anyone but Trump" Republican faction, as well as the Democratic or undecided "anyone but Hillary, except Trump" crowd.

#22   Oct 9, '16, 1:54 pm

ProVobis Forum Elder Join Date: January 26, 2008 Posts: 43,226 Religion: Catholic

Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Beautiful Lets here them discuss the national debt. $ 19,642,992,???,??? and counting!!!!! Yes, but should also talk about the Fed printing so much money for nothing.

#23   Oct 9, '16, 1:57 pm

Beautiful Senior Member Join Date: June 13, 2007 Posts: 6,897 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by ProVobis Yes, but should also talk about the Fed printing so much money for nothing. and the surge of illegal immigrants as discussed by border patrol council member and agent Chris Harris https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsM_FsMufaY

#24   Oct 9, '16, 2:01 pm

Ridgerunner Forum Elder Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,714 Religion: Catholic

Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Beautiful Every American should be angry. There are far more important matters to discuss and we have to listen to them debate junk! BOTH Trump and Clinton should boycott the debate if that is what mods want them to debate...junk. I think that's what it will likely be...a matter of who is able to say the ugliest things about the other and get by with it. Trump never gets by with saying ugly things, whereas Clinton always seems to. Therefore, I would say this debate will go to Clinton. Amazing, really, that there is incredible trouble going on in the world with genocide hardly getting a passing glance, there seems to be a paradigm shift in the offing when it comes to "international trade", the economy here stinks and would be in Depression if not for borrowed welfare and an accommodative Fed, the congress is about to pass into uselessness as a branch of government, and here we are about to hear a debate about which candidate most offends the utterly pretended sensitivities of a populace that's so jaded nothing should shock it, or really does.

#25   Oct 9, '16, 2:08 pm

Ridgerunner Forum Elder Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,714 Religion: Catholic

Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Inisfallen I have a feeling that's true. I don't like the idea of a Pence presidency, but it scares me a lot less than a Trump presidency. The Republicans might do well with Pence as a candidate. They'd pick up the votes of the "anyone but Trump" Republican faction, as well as the Democratic or undecided "anyone but Hillary, except Trump" crowd. The Repubs should stow their pretended righteous indignation (as should we all) over talk heard every day, on TV, in the moviehouses, in magazines and books, and contemplate the consequences of Clinton's advocacy of "open trade and open borders". But perhaps they have. Like Clinton's friends on Wall Street, perhaps too many of them have patrons who don't mind the decline of America's middle class so long as big business gets depressed worker wages and cheap foreign goods to sell to Americans at a profit. But even if the Repub establishment doesn't care about that, ordinary voters sure should. Those are Hillary Clinton's positions. The manufacturing centers of our cities are increasingly resembling western mining towns after the ore ran out. Do we really need more of that?

#26   Oct 9, '16, 2:08 pm

Irishmom2 Forum Master Prayer Warrior Join Date: March 22, 2009 Posts: 14,687 Religion: Catholic

Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump There will not be a winner. There will only be losers: The American people. __________________ "Lord Jesus, in times of trial and temptation, be my strength and consolation. Teach me not to fear the darkness, but rather draw me to your light. For it can only be in darkness that you will become my light and in your light that I may bring the light of healing to all I meet." - George Maloney

#27   Oct 9, '16, 2:10 pm

Beautiful Senior Member Join Date: June 13, 2007 Posts: 6,897 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Ridgerunner I think that's what it will likely be...a matter of who is able to say the ugliest things about the other and get by with it. Trump never gets by with saying ugly things, whereas Clinton always seems to. Therefore, I would say this debate will go to Clinton. Amazing, really, that there is incredible trouble going on in the world with genocide hardly getting a passing glance, there seems to be a paradigm shift in the offing when it comes to "international trade", the economy here stinks and would be in Depression if not for borrowed welfare and an accommodative Fed, the congress is about to pass into uselessness as a branch of government, and here we are about to hear a debate about which candidate most offends the utterly pretended sensitivities of a populace that's so jaded nothing should shock it, or really does. This movement by the media is all about Dems gaining the upper hand. Will Americans see through the thick smoke screen? I'm hoping Trump doesn't view HRC the lady (view her as an opponent only) I think Trump didn't stomp hard the first time around but I believe he will this time. Men and Women fight differently together than two men or two women. Last edited by Beautiful; Oct 9, '16 at 2:24 pm.

#28   Oct 9, '16, 2:13 pm

Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,815 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by KnowtheSilence I can't really imagine a scenario where this goes well for Trump. He was patting himself on the back after the first debate for not bringing up Bill Clinton and his philandering, and there's pretty much no way he's not going to bring that up tonight. I expect he'll try to use that in a "see, he's just as bad as me" sort of way, and I don't think that's gong to fly. It's also a townhall-style debate, which I don't think he's really done. Also, I don't expect much substantive discussion on things like policy from either of them. Just a mudslinging festival. The best thing Trump do is say ,yesterday I came out with a public apology ,let's now move on to the issues that matter most to the American people .

#29   Oct 9, '16, 2:15 pm

Beautiful Senior Member Join Date: June 13, 2007 Posts: 6,897 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S The best thing Trump do is say ,yesterday I came out with a public apology ,let's now move on to the issues that matter most to the American people . Exactly

#30   Oct 9, '16, 2:20 pm

ProVobis Forum Elder Join Date: January 26, 2008 Posts: 43,226 Religion: Catholic

Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Irishmom2 There will not be a winner. There will only be losers: The American people. If it is of any worth, I predict that our system of checks and balances will remain intact.  Oct 9, '16, 2:26 pm Ridgerunner Forum Elder Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,714 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by ProVobis If it is of any worth, I predict that our system of checks and balances will remain intact. I commend your optimism, but I do not share it. Not at all. With Obama, we have learned what it's like to have an executive who rules by fiat; whose orders can only be checked by the Supreme Court. And if Hillary Clinton gets a majority on the Supreme Court that supports her, then Congress might as well just go home for the next four years. Remember, the only Clinton appointee so far (By Bill Clinton) is Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who has said she considers the Constitution "outmoded". Is there the slightest reason to believe Hillary Clinton won't appoint justices just like Ginsburg?   #32   Oct 9, '16, 2:40 pm Beautiful Senior Member Join Date: June 13, 2007 Posts: 6,897 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S The best thing Trump do is say ,yesterday I came out with a public apology ,let's now move on to the issues that matter most to the American people . It would be a terrible mistake on Trump's part to mention the Clinton sex scandals. HRC would drag Melanie into the firestorm. Everything would be downhill from there. I'm sure HRC will dig in a nasty comment or two before moving on. She plays dirty on the debate floor. I'm still reeling from Kaine's many interruptions.   #33   Oct 9, '16, 2:45 pm Little Sheep Regular Member Join Date: January 4, 2016 Posts: 1,766 Religion: Episcopalian Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S The best thing Trump do is say ,yesterday I came out with a public apology ,let's now move on to the issues that matter most to the American people . I don't know - I think he has to address it and not just duck and weave. A lot of his Party's leadership have withdrawn their support. If he has any hope of picking up a random voter or two, I think he needs to have a better response.   #34   Oct 9, '16, 2:47 pm Beautiful Senior Member Join Date: June 13, 2007 Posts: 6,897 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Little Sheep I don't know - I think he has to address it and not just duck and weave. A lot of his Party's leadership have withdrawn their support. If he has any hope of picking up a random voter or two, I think he needs to have a better response. I disagree. There is no time for that. He has apologized. Move on. If he gets sucked into it, HRC will use it to punch him high and low. Trump has more important things to debate and Americans don't want to hear it. Did you ever debate with anyone? Learn the rules and really debate? He must not get sucked in.   #35   Oct 9, '16, 3:08 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,815 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Beautiful It would be a terrible mistake on Trump's part to mention the Clinton sex scandals. HRC would drag Melanie into the firestorm. Everything would be downhill from there. I'm sure HRC will dig in a nasty comment or two before moving on. She plays dirty on the debate floor. I'm still reeling from Kaine's many interruptions. Trump has already addressed the issue re the tape of 11years ago.He needn't take the bait,otherwise this incident will overshadow the more pressing issues that are weighing heavily on the hearts of most Americans.He needs to cogently explain his positions on the stagnant economy,religious freedom,right to life,SCOTUS appointments.And he needs to go after HC on her abysmal record as Sof S.,the Clinton foundation,pay to play,etc.,emails.etc.Oh my so much there to go after her on,no need to mention Bill.   #36   Oct 9, '16, 3:14 pm KnowtheSilence Junior Member Join Date: June 8, 2014 Posts: 254 Religion: Secular Humanist Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S Trump has already addressed the issue re the tape of 11years ago.He needn't take the bait,otherwise this incident will overshadow the more pressing issues that are weighing heavily on the hearts of most Americans.He needs to cogently explain his positions on the stagnant economy,religious freedom,right to life,SCOTUS appointments.And he needs to go after HC on her abysmal record as Sof S.,the Clinton foundation,pay to play,etc.,emails.etc.Oh my so much there to go after her on,no need to mention Bill. I agree that this would be the smart move, but look at his Twitter today. There's pretty much no chance of him getting calmed down and on point for tonight on his own, and I think he's pretty much surrounded himself with sycophants who aren't going to try to make him. He's lashing out at the GOP as hard as he is at the Clintons.   #37   Oct 9, '16, 3:15 pm Beautiful Senior Member Join Date: June 13, 2007 Posts: 6,897 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S Trump has already addressed the issue re the tape of 11years ago.He needn't take the bait,otherwise this incident will overshadow the more pressing issues that are weighing heavily on the hearts of most Americans.He needs to cogently explain his positions on the stagnant economy,religious freedom,right to life,SCOTUS appointments.And he needs to go after HC on her abysmal record as Sof S.,the Clinton foundation,pay to play,etc.,emails.etc.Oh my so much there to go after her on,no need to mention Bill. Yes If HRC or debate moderator dig up sex dirt then he should respond calmly and quickly. Nip it in the bud and demand for more important debate questions. Silence on his part will be greater than even one small retort or body movement in response to a nasty dig from HRC. Let HRC spit her insult and condemnation. It won't look attractive on her if he is then silent and the mod is forced to move on. He needs to turn the other cheek.   #38   Oct 9, '16, 3:15 pm Brendan Forum Elder Join Date: May 19, 2004 Posts: 16,138 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S The best thing Trump do is say ,yesterday I came out with a public apology ,let's now move on to the issues that matter most to the American people . Or simply repeat the apology he gave: "I said it, I was wrong" __________________ Brendan ________________________________________ _______   #39   Oct 9, '16, 3:18 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,815 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by KnowtheSilence I agree that this would be the smart move, but look at his Twitter today. There's pretty much no chance of him getting calmed down and on point for tonight on his own, and I think he's pretty much surrounded himself with sycophants who aren't going to try to make him. He's lashing out at the GOP as hard as he is at the Clintons. Sigh....and ughhhhhh!   #40   Oct 9, '16, 3:19 pm livnlern Regular Member Join Date: July 24, 2009 Posts: 1,436 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S Trump has already addressed the issue re the tape of 11years ago.He needn't take the bait,otherwise this incident will overshadow the more pressing issues that are weighing heavily on the hearts of most Americans.He needs to cogently explain his positions on the stagnant economy,religious freedom,right to life,SCOTUS appointments.And he needs to go after HC on her abysmal record as Sof S.,the Clinton foundation,pay to play,etc.,emails.etc.Oh my so much there to go after her on,no need to mention Bill. Agreed! He did poorly in the last debate because he allowed Hillary and the moderator to lead him around. If asked, he should make brief answers and go on to something more important and pertinent to national issues. Part of the problem with these debates is the moderators. They favor Hillary, asking her absolutely nothing about her emails or any of the other shady things she's been part of. Trump needs to find a way to weave these topics into the discussion the way Mike Pence did. __________________ "Love is a fruit in season at all times, within reach of every hand." (Mother Teresa)   #41   Oct 9, '16, 3:21 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,815 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by livnlern Agreed! He did poorly in the last debate because he allowed Hillary and the moderator to lead him around. If asked, he should make brief answers and go on to something more important and pertinent to national issues. Part of the problem with these debates is the moderators. They favor Hillary, asking her absolutely nothing about her emails or any of the other shady things she's been part of. Trump needs to find a way to weave these topics into the discussion the way Mike Pence did. Agree!   #42   Oct 9, '16, 3:21 pm Little Sheep Regular Member Join Date: January 4, 2016 Posts: 1,766 Religion: Episcopalian Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Beautiful I disagree. There is no time for that. He has apologized. Move on. If he gets sucked into it, HRC will use it to punch him high and low. Trump has more important things to debate and Americans don't want to hear it. Did you ever debate with anyone? Learn the rules and really debate? He must not get sucked in. But he's already been sucked into it - he's been unravelling on Twitter all afternoon......its like the Miss Piggy thing when he just makes a bad situation worse for himself. I think if he doesn't address it directly, most people will just assume he has a personality disorder.....   #43   Oct 9, '16, 3:31 pm punisherthunder Regular Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 1,764 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Clinton raped who knows how many women over the years both in and out of office, was nearly impeached for it, while his wife shames the victims. The media is the one who is pushing the anti-Trump agenda 100%. Look at election maps, there is a very real possibility this thing could be tied and then the House would get to decide! Wonder how many Republicans would stick to their guns and not support Trump then? __________________ Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.............Isaiah 5:20   #44   Oct 9, '16, 3:36 pm zab Regular Member Join Date: February 17, 2008 Posts: 5,729 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Alan Keyes tried to warn us...tried to wake us up.... And they called him a goon, a looney tune and much more. How I wish the American people had listened to him.   #45   Oct 9, '16, 3:40 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,815 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by zab Alan Keyes tried to warn us...tried to wake us up.... And they called him a goon, a looney tune and much more. How I wish the American people had listened to him. Warn us about Trump?Or the directin our country is headed? Oct 9, '16, 3:43 pm zab Regular Member Join Date: February 17, 2008 Posts: 5,729 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S Warn us about Trump?Or the directin our country is headed? both http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/alan.../31/id/672876/   #47   Oct 9, '16, 3:50 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,815 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by zab both http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/alan.../31/id/672876/ Interesting points he brings up,however I don't agree with his assessment of Ben Carson.   #48   Oct 9, '16, 3:52 pm Inisfallen Regular Member Join Date: November 9, 2013 Posts: 1,477 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by punisherthunder Clinton raped who knows how many women over the years both in and out of office, was nearly impeached for it, while his wife shames the victims. Saytng "Clinton raped who knows how many women over the years both in and out of office" is a bit much, and not supported by the known facts. He was impeached (not "nearly impeached"), on two charges, perjury and obstruction of justice, not for his (alleged, by you) rape of multiple women, or for extramarital affairs. He was acquitted by the Senate on both charges.   #49   Oct 9, '16, 3:52 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,636 Religion: Jewish Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam Just in case you were wondering if the moderator tonight will be unbiased: The first set of debate questions tonight will be about lewd Trump tape, and Clinton will answer first: http://cbsn.ws/2d4J2es They know this in advance?   #50   Oct 9, '16, 3:56 pm Irishmom2 Forum Master Prayer Warrior Join Date: March 22, 2009 Posts: 14,687 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy They know this in advance? Yeah, since when do they give out the questions in advance? This whole election year is just so bizarre. __________________ "Lord Jesus, in times of trial and temptation, be my strength and consolation. Teach me not to fear the darkness, but rather draw me to your light. For it can only be in darkness that you will become my light and in your light that I may bring the light of healing to all I meet." - George Maloney   #51   Oct 9, '16, 4:03 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,815 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Irishmom2 Yeah, since when do they give out the questions in advance? This whole election year is just so bizarre. I heard that in the last debate,HC knew in advance the topics thatt would be discussed.Which is probably why she had her responses written down to reference.:   #52   Oct 9, '16, 4:06 pm Adonia Banned Join Date: November 6, 2005 Posts: 1,245 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by JSAD Because I don't suppose they will be discussing the WIki leaks scandal first? If they even bring it up at all. Martha Raddatz sat on the ACORN scandal when Obama was running.   #53   Oct 9, '16, 4:08 pm Adonia Banned Join Date: November 6, 2005 Posts: 1,245 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Inisfallen Saytng "Clinton raped who knows how many women over the years both in and out of office" is a bit much, and not supported by the known facts. He was impeached (not "nearly impeached"), on two charges, perjury and obstruction of justice, not for his (alleged, by you) rape of multiple women, or for extramarital affairs. He was acquitted by the Senate on both charges. So you don't believe Juanita Brodderick? Gee, Hillary herself said women should be believed when they make these kinds of charges.   #54   Oct 9, '16, 4:14 pm kat07 Regular Member Join Date: October 9, 2013 Posts: 607 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump I don't think Hillary will hit Donald that hard on the tapes and his vulgar language. She doesn't want to go down that road incase Donald hits her back on her actions against Bill's victims. If there are more tapes she will just rely on those to be released. If the Washington Post and NY Times have 20 investigative journalist looking into Donald's life and the worst they can come up with is vulgar language and his taxes then Donald can't be that bad of a person.   #55   Oct 9, '16, 4:14 pm philipl Regular Member Join Date: February 14, 2005 Posts: 1,165 Religion: catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam Just in case you were wondering if the moderator tonight will be unbiased: The first set of debate questions tonight will be about lewd Trump tape, and Clinton will answer first: http://cbsn.ws/2d4J2es Anderson Cooper unbiased? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha haha   #56   Oct 9, '16, 4:21 pm Beautiful Senior Member Join Date: June 13, 2007 Posts: 6,897 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Little Sheep But he's already been sucked into it - he's been unravelling on Twitter all afternoon......its like the Miss Piggy thing when he just makes a bad situation worse for himself. I think if he doesn't address it directly, most people will just assume he has a personality disorder..... Twitter is Twitter Debate is Debate That happened over 10 years ago. He's already said he is sorry for all that. Trump can definitely move quickly beyond that topic at the debate tonight. He can and will. He has no choice. It'll happen.   #57   Oct 9, '16, 4:23 pm Robert Bay Moderator Join Date: June 26, 2005 Posts: 32,571 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Please stay on the topic of the debate __________________ Robert Bay, Moderator Forum Rules Never let evil talk pass your lips; say only the good things men need to hear, things that will really help them. (Ephesians 4:29) Moderator direction can be appealed by sending an email to: forumadmin@catholic.com   #58   Oct 9, '16, 4:36 pm Beautiful Senior Member Join Date: June 13, 2007 Posts: 6,897 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump The damaging tapes don't increase the stakes as much as his performance in the first debate. It'll be interesting to see what each candidate has to show tonight. The tape won't keep me from watching.   #59   Oct 9, '16, 4:48 pm FollowChrist34 Senior Member Join Date: March 31, 2013 Posts: 6,325 Religion: Christian Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXHbZu7Hnls The Southern Baptists are holding firm, God bless 'em. Talk about getting a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Don't miss Jeffress' silent sigh before he begins. I don't plan to watch the debate (didn't watch the first one or any of the Obama/Romney debates. I know who I am for and it is just such torture). I doubt Trump will have the composure needed to pull out of this mess - he will have to be in charge, calm, apologetic, presidential, completely non-woman-demeaning, and substantively, articulately and convincingly lay out a plan for his presidency, why anyone should vote for him. But I also wonder if we are getting into Piggy in Lord of the Flies territory here, with the attacks on Trump (especially with men, independents, genuinely undecided voters). At some point, a number of voters will start to break - Americans are forgiving people (this is old stuff too) - if Trump can connect with the audience in a real way, seem human, he has a fighting chance to work his way back into a competitive position. He did quite well (at least I heard) in the Matt Lauer townhall event. I admit I don't have a lot of hope of a positive outcome. It is up to Trump now. Balls to the wall in Trump-speak. __________________ And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.   #60   Oct 9, '16, 5:03 pm Indigo Cardinal Junior Member Join Date: October 28, 2013 Posts: 404 Religion: Pagan Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Gertabelle I've got my baking ingredients and am ready to take out my frustrations on some muffin batters -- a batch of zucchini, and batch of banana, maybe more if the debate really gets on my nerves. Cooking and cleaning is the only way I can deal with watching these sort of things. A few years back when the Broncos forgot to show up to play the Seattle Seahawks at the Super Bowl, my kitchen was sparkling clean by the end of the game. Let's all try to remain calm, and maybe remove all heavy objects from within reach before the debate starts (don't want any broken tellie screens). Eeerrrrm.....so, where exactly do you live? Need somebody to lick the batter? Could it be possible I could be there in about fifteen minutes?   Oct 9, '16, 5:03 pm Beryllos Senior Member Join Date: May 23, 2013 Posts: 7,041 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump I don't know who will win. I just hope they don't both embarrass themselves, and all the US with them.   #62   Oct 9, '16, 5:06 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by FollowChrist34 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXHbZu7Hnls The Southern Baptists are holding firm, God bless 'em. Talk about getting a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Don't miss Jeffress' silent sigh before he begins. Having been raised Southern Baptist, the interview of Jeffress and his defense of Mr. Trump reminds me of why I decided to become an ELCA Lutheran.   #63   Oct 9, '16, 5:11 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia Wow! Trump just did a press conference with some of Bill Clinton's accusers and Kathy Shelton. It was also said on CNN that these women will be attending the debate. Has there ever been a republican that fights as hard as trump? The courgage of the man going to the lions den is what drives his support. Finally someone who can stand up to the dirty game of politics.   #64   Oct 9, '16, 5:13 pm _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,524 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Reposted: Wow! Trump just did a press conference with some of Bill Clinton's accusers and Kathy Shelton. It was also said on CNN that these women will be attending the debate.   #65   Oct 9, '16, 5:14 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,865 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia Reposted: Wow! Trump just did a press conference with some of Bill Clinton's accusers and Kathy Shelton. It was also said on CNN that these women will be attending the debate. the gloves are definitely off!!! __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #66   Oct 9, '16, 5:22 pm Little Sheep Regular Member Join Date: January 4, 2016 Posts: 1,766 Religion: Episcopalian Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S I heard that in the last debate,HC knew in advance the topics thatt would be discussed.Which is probably why she had her responses written down to reference.: Everyone in the world who pays attention knows what the questions are going to be. No one is given detailed difficult policy wonk questions - they are given broad general questions. Prepared Presidential debaters anticipate what's coming their way and respond accordingly.   #67   Oct 9, '16, 5:23 pm Exiled Child Veteran Member Join Date: June 30, 2014 Posts: 12,329 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump REPORT: BILL CLINTON MAY HAVE ENCOURAGED DONALD TRUMP TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/...ntial-run-2016 This intriguing article from August, 2015 is highly probable, in my estimation. I think it goes without saying that Hillary is going to mop up the floor with The Donald. __________________ Solvitur ambulando…. It is solved by walking… ~Augustine   #68   Oct 9, '16, 5:25 pm Little Sheep Regular Member Join Date: January 4, 2016 Posts: 1,766 Religion: Episcopalian Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Adonia So you don't believe Juanita Brodderick? Gee, Hillary herself said women should be believed when they make these kinds of charges. That was a silly thing for Hillary to say. Each and every case is each and every case. Sounds like she was making a sweeping generalization that doesn't make much sense in the real world. Not surprising - politicians often get caught in that trap.   #69   Oct 9, '16, 5:25 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia Reposted: Wow! Trump just did a press conference with some of Bill Clinton's accusers and Kathy Shelton. It was also said on CNN that these women will be attending the debate. In 1998, Mr. Trump called Paula Jones a "loser" and said that she and other accusers of Bill Clinton were "a really unattractive group. I'm not just talking about physical": Quote: “I don’t necessarily agree with his [Bill Clinton's] victims,” Trump said to Fox News’ Neil Cavuto in a clip uncovered earlier in the year by the “Daily Beast.” “His victims are terrible. He is, he is really a victim himself. But he put himself in that position.” “These people are just, I don’t know, where he met them - where he found them,” Trump continued. “But the whole group — it’s truly an unattractive cast of characters. Linda Tripp, Lucianne Goldberg, I mean, this woman, I watch her on television. She is so bad. The whole group, Paula Jones, Lewinsky, it’s just a really unattractive group. I’m not just talking about physical.” https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...blican-critics   #70   Oct 9, '16, 5:26 pm FollowChrist34 Senior Member Join Date: March 31, 2013 Posts: 6,325 Religion: Christian Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr Having been raised Southern Baptist, the interview of Jeffress and his defense of Mr. Trump reminds me of why I decided to become an ELCA Lutheran. As I heard it, Jeffress has some pretty unsavory views of the Catholic faith. But he has also reached out to Catholics along with other Evangelicals on issues of common concern, such as the election, religious liberty issues. I had the opposite response. I am impressed by the fact that he is so fearless. He is standing up for this guy while everyone else is running for cover. I think he is doing the right thing; neither candidate scores high on moral character, that is a fact. Every once in a while a fundamentalist will just blow me away with his/her fortitude, determination, will of steel. Flannery O'Connor used to talk about that, write about it. This is not to say that I am not wary of Jeffress, I am - but I posted this because it impressed me. He's in Custer's 7th Calvary right to the end. __________________ And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.   #71   Oct 9, '16, 5:26 pm Dwyer Regular Member Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Apparently, the Cable Media (e.g., CNN) is harping that Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton are beyond personal criticism or scrutiny. __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)   #72   Oct 9, '16, 5:27 pm SyroMalankara Regular Member Join Date: July 19, 2004 Posts: 5,058 Religion: Syro-Malankara Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Rudy Guiliani, last man standing.. barely.. states absurdities: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...got_silly.html Giuliani didn’t just compare Trump’s campaign with 9/11. On Face the Nation, he likened Trump to St. Augustine, the famous Christian theologian who abandoned the hedonism of his early life. “Sometimes going through things like this makes you a much better person,” said Giuliani. From the context, Giuliani appeared to be saying that Trump had been purified not just by running for president, but by having sinned in the first place. You should trust him more, not less, because he has “gone through” a life of iniquity and predation captured, at age 59, in this videotape.   #73   Oct 9, '16, 5:28 pm livnlern Regular Member Join Date: July 24, 2009 Posts: 1,436 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Inisfallen Saytng "Clinton raped who knows how many women over the years both in and out of office" is a bit much, and not supported by the known facts. . And what about his trips to "Pedophile Island" with Jeffery Epstein? He's gone to that place with Epstein at least 26 times. No matter how you look at it, there's no explaining this away. http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/14/bi...usly-reported/ __________________ "Love is a fruit in season at all times, within reach of every hand." (Mother Teresa)   #74   Oct 9, '16, 5:41 pm Beautiful Senior Member Join Date: June 13, 2007 Posts: 6,897 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by SyroMalankara Rudy Guiliani, last man standing.. barely.. states absurdities: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...got_silly.html Giuliani didn’t just compare Trump’s campaign with 9/11. On Face the Nation, he likened Trump to St. Augustine, the famous Christian theologian who abandoned the hedonism of his early life. “Sometimes going through things like this makes you a much better person,” said Giuliani. From the context, Giuliani appeared to be saying that Trump had been purified not just by running for president, but by having sinned in the first place. You should trust him more, not less, because he has “gone through” a life of iniquity and predation captured, at age 59, in this videotape. I was thinking of that today while listening to the Gospel about the Lepers...the cleansing. Also, remember Naaman was told to cleanse himself 7 times. “This is the very perfection of a man, to find out his own imperfections.” – St. Augustine Debates are inherently more about gnawing and digging than cleansing. Praying for the Hand of God on the debate tonight. Praying God will make the debate a cleansing.   #75   Oct 9, '16, 5:41 pm LeafByNiggle Veteran Member Join Date: December 5, 2010 Posts: 10,594 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by livnlern And what about his trips to "Pedophile Island" with Jeffery Epstein? He's gone to that place with Epstein at least 26 times. No matter how you look at it, there's no explaining this away. http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/14/bi...usly-reported/ This is guilt by association. That's all. Do you have any evidence that Bill knew about, much less approved of acts of pedophilia? Oct 9, '16, 5:49 pm TMC Senior Member Join Date: October 15, 2007 Posts: 6,725 Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by livnlern And what about his trips to "Pedophile Island" with Jeffery Epstein? He's gone to that place with Epstein at least 26 times. No matter how you look at it, there's no explaining this away. http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/14/bi...usly-reported/ Quote: Originally Posted by LeafByNiggle This is guilt by association. That's all. Do you have any evidence that Bill knew about, much less approved of acts of pedophilia? Donald Trump and Bill Clinton were both friends of Epstein. That is why it has not come up. Donald can't claim Bill's association with Epstein is problematic without having to explain away his own long friendship. __________________ Who are you to pass judgment on someone else's servant? Romans 14:4   #77   Oct 9, '16, 5:55 pm Exiled Child Veteran Member Join Date: June 30, 2014 Posts: 12,329 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by TMC Donald Trump and Bill Clinton were both friends of Epstein. That is why it has not come up. Donald can't claim Bill's association with Epstein is problematic without having to explain away his own long friendship. Good point. Trump and the Clinton's are also friends, which raises all kinds of questions. Please see post #67. __________________ Solvitur ambulando…. It is solved by walking… ~Augustine   #78   Oct 9, '16, 6:02 pm TMC Senior Member Join Date: October 15, 2007 Posts: 6,725 Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Exiled Child Good point. Trump and the Clinton's are also friends, which raises all kinds of questions. Please see post #67. I think its fair to say that they were friends. __________________ Who are you to pass judgment on someone else's servant? Romans 14:4   #79   Oct 9, '16, 6:04 pm livnlern Regular Member Join Date: July 24, 2009 Posts: 1,436 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by LeafByNiggle This is guilt by association. That's all. Do you have any evidence that Bill knew about, much less approved of acts of pedophilia? I have no evidence but find it hard to understand how he could have gone there 26 times without having some idea of what was going on. __________________ "Love is a fruit in season at all times, within reach of every hand." (Mother Teresa)   #80   Oct 9, '16, 6:04 pm Dwyer Regular Member Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump An openly gay aristocrat is one of the Debate moderators. __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)   #81   Oct 9, '16, 6:04 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Bill Clinton looks like he's about to keel over anytime.   #82   Oct 9, '16, 6:06 pm CatholicFireman Regular Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: June 3, 2007 Posts: 5,051 Religion: Roman Rite Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Stylteralmaldo A chapter in history I will be skipping. I got my headphones on listening to the Doobie Brothers while my wife watches the debate. __________________ "I am thine, and all that I have is thine, O most loving Jesus, through Mary Thy most holy and Immaculate Mother." 'Ad Jesu Per Mariam' - 'To Jesus through Mary'.   #83   Oct 9, '16, 6:10 pm NormW Junior Member Join Date: December 27, 2012 Posts: 161 Religion: Jesus is Lord! Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by CatholicFireman I got my headphones on listening to the Doobie Brothers while my wife watches the debate. Good choice.   #84   Oct 9, '16, 6:14 pm gracepoole Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,044 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump No handshake. Interesting.   #85   Oct 9, '16, 6:20 pm ringil Veteran Member Join Date: May 9, 2011 Posts: 9,319 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Dwyer An openly gay aristocrat is one of the Debate moderators. Yes, some people are gay- millions of Americans are. __________________ To those with only hammers everything looks like a nail. "tough love thy neighbor as thyself. Get your own loaves and fishes!"- Stephen Colbert   #86   Oct 9, '16, 6:23 pm Exiled Child Veteran Member Join Date: June 30, 2014 Posts: 12,329 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by TMC I think its fair to say that they were friends. It would be unseemly for them to be friends in public, at any rate. __________________ Solvitur ambulando…. It is solved by walking… ~Augustine   #87   Oct 9, '16, 6:24 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Oh my, audience booing hillary!!! way to go trump! Prosecute her!   #88   Oct 9, '16, 6:26 pm Irishmom2 Forum Master Prayer Warrior Join Date: March 22, 2009 Posts: 14,687 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Oh my, audience booing hillary!!! way to go trump! Prosecute her! I couldn't believe her response to what he said, and now she is still lying about what happened with her emails. Like if she keeps saying it over and over, that will make it true. __________________ "Lord Jesus, in times of trial and temptation, be my strength and consolation. Teach me not to fear the darkness, but rather draw me to your light. For it can only be in darkness that you will become my light and in your light that I may bring the light of healing to all I meet." - George Maloney   #89   Oct 9, '16, 6:26 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Hillay: I take classified emails very seriously... that's why I deleted all of them! How stupid we are to not understand.   #90   Oct 9, '16, 6:27 pm LiamQ Regular Member Join Date: August 21, 2011 Posts: 620 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Oh my, audience booing hillary!!! way to go trump! Prosecute her! Of course, they're quickly told to shut up, since it's "just wasting time."   Oct 9, '16, 6:28 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by LiamQ Of course, they're quickly told to shut up, since it's "just wasting time." They said, "we have to move on" before trump's response, but "allow her to respond" to hillary.   #92   Oct 9, '16, 6:28 pm Irishmom2 Forum Master Prayer Warrior Join Date: March 22, 2009 Posts: 14,687 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by LiamQ Of course, they're quickly told to shut up, since it's "just wasting time." Yrs, I am so glad the moderators are being so fair. "Please allow her to respond." __________________ "Lord Jesus, in times of trial and temptation, be my strength and consolation. Teach me not to fear the darkness, but rather draw me to your light. For it can only be in darkness that you will become my light and in your light that I may bring the light of healing to all I meet." - George Maloney   #93   Oct 9, '16, 6:29 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Irishmom2 Yrs, I am so glad the moderators are being so fair. "Please allow her to respond." Three times "Please allow her to respond" and three times to Trump "we have to move on."   #94   Oct 9, '16, 6:30 pm LeafByNiggle Veteran Member Join Date: December 5, 2010 Posts: 10,594 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by livnlern I have no evidence but find it hard to understand how he could have gone there 26 times without having some idea of what was going on. OK, you have your suspicions. That's fine. Just don't try raising them to the level of fact.   #95   Oct 9, '16, 6:30 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Cold anger... that's what trump has right now and what so many people have sitting at home.   #96   Oct 9, '16, 6:30 pm Irishmom2 Forum Master Prayer Warrior Join Date: March 22, 2009 Posts: 14,687 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump If this wasn't such a serious thing, it would be laughable. __________________ "Lord Jesus, in times of trial and temptation, be my strength and consolation. Teach me not to fear the darkness, but rather draw me to your light. For it can only be in darkness that you will become my light and in your light that I may bring the light of healing to all I meet." - George Maloney   #97   Oct 9, '16, 6:33 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,865 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Three times "Please allow her to respond" and three times to Trump "we have to move on." Yep. Totally biased. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #98   Oct 9, '16, 6:45 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Bill clinton is very shocked at how the debate is going so far. http://drudgereport.com/   #99   Oct 9, '16, 6:50 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Oh yes, is it ok to have a private position and a public position on issues as a politician? Hillary: no, I was talking about President lincoln doing that. LOL. **** How stupid we are not to understand.   #100   Oct 9, '16, 6:52 pm LiamQ Regular Member Join Date: August 21, 2011 Posts: 620 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Clinton: "Hey! Whatever I said, you only know about it because of Russian hackers. So what's important is not what I said, but that the Russians want Trump instead of me. And by the way: Tax returns! Ha!" What a ridiculous couple of candidates. (Oh, and for the record, the above is my own paraphrase.)   #101   Oct 9, '16, 6:52 pm Little Sheep Regular Member Join Date: January 4, 2016 Posts: 1,766 Religion: Episcopalian Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Donald Trump is just so hunky! I feel so safe!   #102   Oct 9, '16, 6:53 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Hillary: I'm just gonna pretend I'm winning and smile really big.   #103   Oct 9, '16, 6:54 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,865 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Bill clinton is very shocked at how the debate is going so far. http://drudgereport.com/ If looks could kill... __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #104   Oct 9, '16, 6:56 pm Irishmom2 Forum Master Prayer Warrior Join Date: March 22, 2009 Posts: 14,687 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump "Everything you've heard is not true." And from Hillary, that actually is true. Again and again, and again. __________________ "Lord Jesus, in times of trial and temptation, be my strength and consolation. Teach me not to fear the darkness, but rather draw me to your light. For it can only be in darkness that you will become my light and in your light that I may bring the light of healing to all I meet." - George Maloney   #105   Oct 9, '16, 7:03 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,815 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Hillary: I'm just gonna pretend I'm winning and smile really big. Seriously,knock off the Cheshire Cat grin already Donald is thumping her good,she seems pretty rattled👍  Oct 9, '16, 7:05 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Moderator: what's going on in Syria? Hillary: it's all russia's fault! Russia, Russia, Russia!!!   #107   Oct 9, '16, 7:07 pm Little Sheep Regular Member Join Date: January 4, 2016 Posts: 1,766 Religion: Episcopalian Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S Seriously,knock off the Cheshire Cat grin already Donald is thumping her good,she seems pretty rattled👍 C'mon. She can't help it. If you were the next President, you'd grin too.   #108   Oct 9, '16, 7:07 pm DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Moderator: what's going on in Syria? Hillary: it's all russia's fault! Russia, Russia, Russia!!! At least she didn't blame Abe Lincoln __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #109   Oct 9, '16, 7:08 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Little Sheep C'mon. She can't help it. If you were the next President, you'd grin too. So you mean, instead of focusing on the debate, she's imagining herself sitting in the white house? Nice one! A middle school speech technique?   #110   Oct 9, '16, 7:09 pm LiamQ Regular Member Join Date: August 21, 2011 Posts: 620 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S Seriously,knock off the Cheshire Cat grin already Donald is thumping her good,she seems pretty rattled👍 Do you think so? I have to be honest. To me, Trump is making Clinton look like the adult in the room. I hope your analysis is better than mine. Incidentally, the tension between these two is absolutely beyond the pale. This has been an extremely regrettable election cycle, and I'm disappointed with the Republican side of things especially.   #111   Oct 9, '16, 7:11 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Why do moderators insist on debating trump? They should get a chair and hop on stage.   #112   Oct 9, '16, 7:11 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,815 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by LiamQ Do you think so? I have to be honest. To me, Trump is making Clinton look like the adult in the room. I hope your analysis is better than mine. Incidentally, the tension between these two is absolutely beyond the pale. This has been an extremely regrettable election cycle, and I'm disappointed with the Republican side of things especially. He is certainly doing better than the last debate.I think HC seems very rattled by the whole idea that BC victims are in the audience.   #113   Oct 9, '16, 7:11 pm Irishmom2 Forum Master Prayer Warrior Join Date: March 22, 2009 Posts: 14,687 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump So now Trump needs to debate the moderator? She keeps jumping in to school him... __________________ "Lord Jesus, in times of trial and temptation, be my strength and consolation. Teach me not to fear the darkness, but rather draw me to your light. For it can only be in darkness that you will become my light and in your light that I may bring the light of healing to all I meet." - George Maloney   #114   Oct 9, '16, 7:11 pm Dwyer Regular Member Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Moderator Martha Raddatz is debating Trump about Syria. __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)   #115   Oct 9, '16, 7:12 pm LiamQ Regular Member Join Date: August 21, 2011 Posts: 620 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Again, the bias the moderators are showing—openly challenging Trump and debating with him—is another sad commentary on the intellectual merit of these so-called debates.   #116   Oct 9, '16, 7:13 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by LiamQ Again, the bias the moderators are showing—openly challenging Trump and debating with him—is another sad commentary on the intellectual merit of these so-called debates. They can't help themselves. Their 24/7 job is to attack trump so it shows.   #117   Oct 9, '16, 7:13 pm LiamQ Regular Member Join Date: August 21, 2011 Posts: 620 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S He is certainly doing better than the last debate. Absolutely agreed there.   #118   Oct 9, '16, 7:14 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,815 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by LiamQ Again, the bias the moderators are showing—openly challenging Trump and debating with him—is another sad commentary on the intellectual merit of these so-called debates. Exactly!At least DT is challenging the mods on their predictable bias   #119   Oct 9, '16, 7:14 pm Irishmom2 Forum Master Prayer Warrior Join Date: March 22, 2009 Posts: 14,687 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump So here is Hillary telling Isis exactly what she would do if she were president. Great strategy! __________________ "Lord Jesus, in times of trial and temptation, be my strength and consolation. Teach me not to fear the darkness, but rather draw me to your light. For it can only be in darkness that you will become my light and in your light that I may bring the light of healing to all I meet." - George Maloney   #120   Oct 9, '16, 7:18 pm Gertabelle Forum Master Prayer Warrior Join Date: September 14, 2006 Posts: 13,331 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Are we all watching the same debate??? I cannot believe how blind we humans can be to see our choice as perfect and everything that doesn't go our way as being "unfair." Wow. Just wow. Praying for everyone here...and at home...and our candidates... Just wow... __________________ Saint Teresa of Calcutta, pray for us. ALL for Jesus! ALL that He wants! ALL for Jesus! Oct 9, '16, 7:19 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Hillary: bullying is up in school and it's trump's fault!   #122   Oct 9, '16, 7:23 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Moderator: Secretary Clinton, does Mr. Trump have the discipline to be president? Will there be a similar question for Mr. Trump about Clinton?   #123   Oct 9, '16, 7:24 pm LiamQ Regular Member Join Date: August 21, 2011 Posts: 620 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Gertabelle Are we all watching the same debate??? Care to elaborate?   #124   Oct 9, '16, 7:24 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,865 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by LiamQ Do you think so? I have to be honest. To me, Trump is making Clinton look like the adult in the room. I hope your analysis is better than mine. Incidentally, the tension between these two is absolutely beyond the pale. This has been an extremely regrettable election cycle, and I'm disappointed with the Republican side of things especially. I also think Trump is thumping Hillary. You are disappointed with the Republican side of things?! __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #125   Oct 9, '16, 7:25 pm LiamQ Regular Member Join Date: August 21, 2011 Posts: 620 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows I also think Trump is thumping Hillary. You are disappointed with the Republican side of things?! Yes, meaning I'm disappointed in Trump as the Republican candidate for President, even if I'll be voting for him.   #126   Oct 9, '16, 7:26 pm Irishmom2 Forum Master Prayer Warrior Join Date: March 22, 2009 Posts: 14,687 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Gertabelle Are we all watching the same debate??? I cannot believe how blind we humans can be to see our choice as perfect and everything that doesn't go our way as being "unfair." Wow. Just wow. Praying for everyone here...and at home...and our candidates... Just wow... Sounds like you are kind of doing what you are accusing others of. Guess what? I don't like either of them. But that doesn't mean I can't see what is right before my eyes. __________________ "Lord Jesus, in times of trial and temptation, be my strength and consolation. Teach me not to fear the darkness, but rather draw me to your light. For it can only be in darkness that you will become my light and in your light that I may bring the light of healing to all I meet." - George Maloney   #127   Oct 9, '16, 7:27 pm TMC Senior Member Join Date: October 15, 2007 Posts: 6,725 Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump I thought Trump was a disaster for the first half of the debate. He has done better in the second half. Overall, I think he realizes he has to go all out and is swinging for a knock out punch. I don't think he has come close to that so far. __________________ Who are you to pass judgment on someone else's servant? Romans 14:4   #128   Oct 9, '16, 7:28 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,865 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by LiamQ Again, the bias the moderators are showing—openly challenging Trump and debating with him—is another sad commentary on the intellectual merit of these so-called debates. Yes, Martha is getting on my nerves. I hope many people at home are seeing this! __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #129   Oct 9, '16, 7:31 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,815 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows Yes, Martha is getting on my nerves. I hope many people at home are seeing this! Oh she is so biased.However DT isn't letting her get away with it. Good on Donald bringing up coal.Hillary wants to kill the coal industry,putting many out of work.   #130   Oct 9, '16, 7:32 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,865 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by LiamQ Yes, meaning I'm disappointed in Trump as the Republican candidate for President, even if I'll be voting for him. After this election I will no longer be registered as a republican. I am disappointed in the establishment of the republican party. I am still voting for Trump, but I guess I will be unaffiliated unless a new political party forms that represents me. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #131   Oct 9, '16, 7:33 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,815 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows After this election I will no longer be registered as a republican. I am disappointed in the establishment of the republican party. I am still voting for Trump, but I guess I will be unaffiliated unless a new political party forms that represents me. Same here.I haven't left the party .it left me😞   #132   Oct 9, '16, 7:34 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows After this election I will no longer be registered as a republican. I am disappointed in the establishment of the republican party. I am still voting for Trump, but I guess I will be unaffiliated unless a new political party forms that represents me. They truly have showed their colors turning on Trump at the slighted sound. They could have just waited a couple days and see how the tides are going to turn again! Oh no, they still dream of staying the status quo where they get to rule over the people. Their hypocrisy is the most disappointing in this election.   #133   Oct 9, '16, 7:36 pm TMC Senior Member Join Date: October 15, 2007 Posts: 6,725 Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv They truly have showed their colors turning on Trump at the slighted sound. They could have just waited a couple days and see how the tides are going to turn again! Oh no, they still dream of staying the status quo where they get to rule over the people. Their hypocrisy is the most disappointing in this election. They showed their colors when they allowed Trump to be the nominee. There were plenty of good potential candidates in the GOP - but they went with him. __________________ Who are you to pass judgment on someone else's servant? Romans 14:4   #134   Oct 9, '16, 7:36 pm Dwyer Regular Member Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump "WE snuck one more question in!" to catch you off guard. __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)   #135   Oct 9, '16, 7:36 pm Seamus L Senior Member Join Date: November 22, 2007 Posts: 8,092 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump When Hillary Clinton was asked about most important qualifications for the Supreme Court, she couldn't even mention someone who adheres to our Constitution, Donald Trump DID ! Oct 9, '16, 7:37 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump That was actually a good ending to the debate.   #137   Oct 9, '16, 7:37 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,865 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S Same here.I haven't left the party .it left me😞 __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #138   Oct 9, '16, 7:37 pm LiamQ Regular Member Join Date: August 21, 2011 Posts: 620 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump "Can you say something you admire about the other candidate?" Clinton: His children! But now let's get back to me ... . Trump: She's a fighter and she doesn't quit, and that's a very good trait. The end.   #139   Oct 9, '16, 7:38 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,865 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv They truly have showed their colors turning on Trump at the slighted sound. They could have just waited a couple days and see how the tides are going to turn again! Oh no, they still dream of staying the status quo where they get to rule over the people. Their hypocrisy is the most disappointing in this election. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #140   Oct 9, '16, 7:38 pm TMC Senior Member Join Date: October 15, 2007 Posts: 6,725 Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv That was actually a good ending to the debate. Yes, and both gave good answers. __________________ Who are you to pass judgment on someone else's servant? Romans 14:4   #141   Oct 9, '16, 7:45 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Pundits are spinning their hardest to make this a bad night for trump. Sickening.   #142   Oct 9, '16, 7:48 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,815 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Pundits are spinning their hardest to make this a bad night for trump. Sickening. Really.What channel,are you watching? Fox business has him winning and the Internet is flooded with comments recTrump trampling Hillary   #143   Oct 9, '16, 7:49 pm TMC Senior Member Join Date: October 15, 2007 Posts: 6,725 Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Pundits are spinning their hardest to make this a bad night for trump. Sickening. It was not a great night for him. The first 20-30 min were bad. And the rest was pretty much even. But he said things that will haunt him over the next few days. The one that sticks in my mind - he said we should back Assad and Russia in Syria. He said he doesn't talk to, or agree with, his VP. __________________ Who are you to pass judgment on someone else's servant? Romans 14:4   #144   Oct 9, '16, 7:50 pm Beautiful Senior Member Join Date: June 13, 2007 Posts: 6,897 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by LiamQ "Can you say something you admire about the other candidate?" Clinton: His children! But now let's get back to me ... . Trump: She's a fighter and she doesn't quit, and that's a very good trait. The end. Trump didn't miss the backhanded insult. Everyone knows the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I consider HRC comment/compliment a hiss on Trump and his children. That is why he addressed his own admiration for his children first.   #145   Oct 9, '16, 7:51 pm DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Frank Luntz focus group: https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #146   Oct 9, '16, 7:52 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump The pundits' take: the republicans are really anxious to see how trump's campaign is going to go next, because trump trotted out Bill's victims and that's not appealing to the nation. Plus, Trump dissed his own vice president, so republicans really have their work cut out for them. That's their takeaway. Wow!!!! And they don't say a word about hillary.   #147   Oct 9, '16, 7:53 pm Little Sheep Regular Member Join Date: January 4, 2016 Posts: 1,766 Religion: Episcopalian Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by TMC It was not a great night for him. The first 20-30 min were bad. And the rest was pretty much even. But he said things that will haunt him over the next few days. The one that sticks in my mind - he said we should back Assad and Russia in Syria. He said he doesn't talk to, or agree with, his VP. I don't know that he could have even had a good night in the wake of the run-up. He could only try to stop the bloodletting and, certainly, he tried.   #148   Oct 9, '16, 7:54 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Mike Pence: https://twitter.com/mike_pence/statu...10165327151104   #149   Oct 9, '16, 7:56 pm kat07 Regular Member Join Date: October 9, 2013 Posts: 607 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump The best line of the debate. Hillary saying to Donald: "Good thing you're not in charge of the laws of the land." Donald saying to Hillary: "Yes, that's right because you'd be in jail."   #150   Oct 9, '16, 7:57 pm DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Daily Caller has a screen grab of Clinton Spokesman Jesse Lehrich tweeting to Trump during the debate : "go ---- yourself". __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/ Oct 9, '16, 7:57 pm Beautiful Senior Member Join Date: June 13, 2007 Posts: 6,897 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Trump handled the Aleppo question perfectly. Aleppo is gone. I've been sick watching that city turn to nothing. There is nothing left accept for an occasional bloody child picture the liberal media wants to smear across our hearts. I know people have suffered and probably died...most of them.   #152   Oct 9, '16, 7:58 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY Daily Caller has a screen grab of Clinton Spokesman Jesse Lehrich tweeting to Trump during the debate : "go ---- yourself". Right, because he dares to bring a fight to hillary.   #153   Oct 9, '16, 7:58 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,815 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Little Sheep I don't know that he could have even had a good night in the wake of the run-up. He could only try to stop the bloodletting and, certainly, he tried. He was successful.I think HC clearly was rattled by all those victims of BC in the audience.That had to be unnerving. Fact is Donald was debating three people.He managed to call the mods out on their blatant bias.Good for him.Hillary was just the same old tired talking points.   #154   Oct 9, '16, 8:01 pm Beautiful Senior Member Join Date: June 13, 2007 Posts: 6,897 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S He was successful.I think HC clearly was rattled by all those victims of BC in the audience.That had to be unnerving. Fact is Donald was debating three people.He managed to call the mods out on their blatant bias.Good for him.Hillary was just the same old tired talking points. That's exactly when I hear her mouth get dry. Trump might have emphasized how HRC re victimized those same women by insulting them or ignoring them...not such an advocate for women after all.   #155   Oct 9, '16, 8:02 pm kat07 Regular Member Join Date: October 9, 2013 Posts: 607 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump I think Donald got some little digs in to Hillary. She didn't look as comfortable and she looked a bit out of place. He was definitely better than the last time.   #156   Oct 9, '16, 8:03 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by kat07 I think Donald got some little digs in to Hillary. She didn't look as comfortable and she looked a bit out of place. He was definitely better than the last time. He performs better under pressure.   #157   Oct 9, '16, 8:05 pm Seamus L Senior Member Join Date: November 22, 2007 Posts: 8,092 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Trump was much better than last time.   #158   Oct 9, '16, 8:05 pm _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,524 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Emoji probably won't show up: Quote: Focus Group: Who are you willing to vote for? BEFORE #DEBATE* • Hillary: 8 • Trump: 9 AFTER DEBATE • Hillary: 4 • Trump: 18 https://twitter.com/frankluntz/statu...11438726397956   #159   Oct 9, '16, 8:06 pm NormW Junior Member Join Date: December 27, 2012 Posts: 161 Religion: Jesus is Lord! Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by kat07 The best line of the debate. Hillary saying to Donald: "Good thing you're not in charge of the laws of the land." Donald saying to Hillary: "Yes, that's right because you'd be in jail." I don't know. To hear one presidential candidate threaten to jail the other one doesn't make me feel good.   #160   Oct 9, '16, 8:07 pm DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by kat07 I think Donald got some little digs in to Hillary. She didn't look as comfortable and she looked a bit out of place. He was definitely better than the last time. Well, he did set the bar very low the first time around. I think in this one there were definitely "winning" moments from both. She kept trying to bait him, but he stayed focused. I think where he did himself the biggest favor was with his last answer. __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #161   Oct 9, '16, 8:07 pm LeafByNiggle Veteran Member Join Date: December 5, 2010 Posts: 10,594 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Beautiful Trump handled the Aleppo question perfectly. Aleppo is gone. I've been sick watching that city turn to nothing. There is nothing left accept for an occasional bloody child picture the liberal media wants to smear across our hearts. If the question had been about military strategy, then abandoning Aleppo as a lost cause might be a reasonable answer. But the question was what he would do about the humanitarian crisis. Aleppo is more than just a strategic resource being battled over by powerful forces. It is city that still contains hundreds of thousands of people. Even if the city is abandoned as a military objective, there is still a humanitarian crisis. That's what the question was, and Trump said nothing whatsoever about those victims and what should be done about them. I would not call that answering perfectly.   #162   Oct 9, '16, 8:07 pm Beautiful Senior Member Join Date: June 13, 2007 Posts: 6,897 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by kat07 I think Donald got some little digs in to Hillary. She didn't look as comfortable and she looked a bit out of place. He was definitely better than the last time. Especially when the 3am twitter came up. 600+ calls from Benghazi for help ignored.   #163   Oct 9, '16, 8:10 pm Beautiful Senior Member Join Date: June 13, 2007 Posts: 6,897 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by LeafByNiggle If the question had been about military strategy, then abandoning Aleppo as a lost cause might be a reasonable answer. But the question was what he would do about the humanitarian crisis. Aleppo is more than just a strategic resource being battled over by powerful forces. It is city that still contains hundreds of thousands of people. Even if the city is abandoned as a military objective, there is still a humanitarian crisis. That's what the question was, and Trump said nothing whatsoever about those victims and what should be done about them. I would not call that answering perfectly. That is questionable. There hasn't been water there in nearly two weeks....hospitals and medical supplies gone. What reports have you heard of life in Aleppo these days. Show me. Also, it hasn't been abandoned as a military objective. Russia and Basher loom over it.   #164   Oct 9, '16, 8:10 pm NormW Junior Member Join Date: December 27, 2012 Posts: 161 Religion: Jesus is Lord! Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY Frank Luntz focus group: https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz Sounds like Trump will win Missouri.   #165   Oct 9, '16, 8:10 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,865 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by kat07 The best line of the debate. Hillary saying to Donald: "Good thing you're not in charge of the laws of the land." Donald saying to Hillary: "Yes, that's right because you'd be in jail." __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139 Oct 9, '16, 8:12 pm kat07 Regular Member Join Date: October 9, 2013 Posts: 607 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by NormW I don't know. To hear one presidential candidate threaten to jail the other one doesn't make me feel good. Well he threatened to jail her because she has committed crimes. Her emails were deleted after being subpoenaed. If you or I did that, we'd be in jail already.   #167   Oct 9, '16, 8:15 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,865 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by kat07 Well he threatened to jail her because she has committed crimes. Her emails were deleted after being subpoenaed. If you or I did that, we'd be in jail already. The democrats will never let Trump win now if he is threatening her with jail. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #168   Oct 9, '16, 8:16 pm CatholicFireman Regular Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: June 3, 2007 Posts: 5,051 Religion: Roman Rite Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by NormW Good choice. Thanks. __________________ "I am thine, and all that I have is thine, O most loving Jesus, through Mary Thy most holy and Immaculate Mother." 'Ad Jesu Per Mariam' - 'To Jesus through Mary'.   #169   Oct 9, '16, 8:16 pm ManOnFire Regular Member Join Date: January 16, 2010 Posts: 2,339 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Did you see the fly land on her forehead? Awkward.   #170   Oct 9, '16, 8:17 pm Beautiful Senior Member Join Date: June 13, 2007 Posts: 6,897 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows The democrats will never let Trump win now if he is threatening her with jail. I worry about that because it is likely that if she goes down so do at least a few others. I am really worried this time before election. We should pray for both candidates and all those involved.   #171   Oct 9, '16, 8:17 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,865 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by ManOnFire Was that a fly that landed on her forehead?? Yes... Didn't Obama also have problems with flies landing on him during speeches. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #172   Oct 9, '16, 8:17 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,815 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by ManOnFire Did you see the fly land on her forehead? Awkward. Sure was......   #173   Oct 9, '16, 8:18 pm Beautiful Senior Member Join Date: June 13, 2007 Posts: 6,897 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by ManOnFire Did you see the fly land on her forehead? Awkward. Yes, it seemed so large. I don't think she flinched. I could go on and on...must get some sleep. Gnight! Last edited by Beautiful; Oct 9, '16 at 8:28 pm.   #174   Oct 9, '16, 8:19 pm kat07 Regular Member Join Date: October 9, 2013 Posts: 607 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY Well, he did set the bar very low the first time around. I think in this one there were definitely "winning" moments from both. She kept trying to bait him, but he stayed focused. I think where he did himself the biggest favor was with his last answer. Well, Trump did know that Hillary's answer wasn't a compliment to him. Instead of saying Hillary is a fighter I think he should have said I admire that Hillary is the first female to be nominated for President, or better ye he could have said he admired how she made 200 million dollars while SOS. How did you do it Hillary?   #175   Oct 9, '16, 8:28 pm Gertabelle Forum Master Prayer Warrior Join Date: September 14, 2006 Posts: 13,331 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Irishmom2 Sounds like you are kind of doing what you are accusing others of. Guess what? I don't like either of them. But that doesn't mean I can't see what is right before my eyes. Nope. My chosen candidate is not in this debate. And because neither of these candidates was able to win my vote, I was able to watch without hoping "my" candidate was winning. Or thinking the moderators were being unfair towards "my" candidate. Or hanging on every word that I felt validated my choice. I don't know. I've watched the debates for decades now, but this is the first time I am voting for a third-party candidate. It just gives me a different view of things -- both of the candidates, and of those who are supporting those candidates. It's eye-opening, to say the least. __________________ Saint Teresa of Calcutta, pray for us. ALL for Jesus! ALL that He wants! ALL for Jesus!   #176   Oct 9, '16, 8:30 pm ManOnFire Regular Member Join Date: January 16, 2010 Posts: 2,339 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by kat07 Well, Trump did know that Hillary's answer wasn't a compliment to him. Instead of saying Hillary is a fighter I think he should have said I admire that Hillary is the first female to be nominated for President, or better ye he could have said he admired how she made 200 million dollars while SOS. How did you do it Hillary? On the series about concerns about Russian hackers, he missed the opportunity to comment about her sloppy security for her emails and private servers.   #177   Oct 9, '16, 8:31 pm DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by kat07 Well, Trump did know that Hillary's answer wasn't a compliment to him. Instead of saying Hillary is a fighter I think he should have said I admire that Hillary is the first female to be nominated for President, or better ye he could have said he admired how she made 200 million dollars while SOS. How did you do it Hillary? When she went low, he went high. __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #178   Oct 9, '16, 8:36 pm ManOnFire Regular Member Join Date: January 16, 2010 Posts: 2,339 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump The third party candidates aren't allowed because the establishment is having a hard time choreographing a win for the establishment candidate versus the non-establishment candidate, so voting third party is a waste of time. The only real decision is to maintain the establishment's current path, or not.   #179   Oct 9, '16, 8:37 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,636 Religion: Jewish Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Exiled Child It would be unseemly for them to be friends in public, at any rate. After the election and the game playing, they'll go back to being friends.   #180   Oct 9, '16, 8:41 pm Al Moritz Regular Member Join Date: April 20, 2011 Posts: 3,024 Religion: Roman Catholic/Freethinker/Skeptic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Yes, Trump was more prepared and better than at the first debate, I agree. Yet I thought the visuals of the debate were terrible for Trump. For at least 98 % of the time Hillary made a cool, calm and collected impression. Trump on the other hand was bad on the split screen as she spoke. Impatient and angry looking, sometimes holding his hands on the chair to support his body while he obviously couldn't wait for his turn again, grimacing and several times emphatically raising his mike way before Clinton's speaking time was over; a menacing presence a few times close behind her as she was speaking to the audience member asking the question. The 40 % of Trump supporters will have loved his performance, but I just don' t see how he would have convinced the rest of the country that he has the temperament to be president. __________________ Health is not a consumer good but a universal right, so access to health services cannot be a privilege. Pope Francis Oct 9, '16, 8:42 pm ProVobis Forum Elder Join Date: January 26, 2008 Posts: 43,226 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Gertabelle Nope. My chosen candidate is not in this debate. And because neither of these candidates was able to win my vote, I was able to watch without hoping "my" candidate was winning. Or thinking the moderators were being unfair towards "my" candidate. Or hanging on every word that I felt validated my choice. I don't know. I've watched the debates for decades now, but this is the first time I am voting for a third-party candidate. It just gives me a different view of things -- both of the candidates, and of those who are supporting those candidates. It's eye-opening, to say the least.   #182   Oct 9, '16, 8:43 pm Gertabelle Forum Master Prayer Warrior Join Date: September 14, 2006 Posts: 13,331 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy After the election and the game playing, they'll go back to being friends. Really? This is the ugliest presidential election I've ever seen. I think they'd each like to amend the Constitution to allow the President-elect to throw the loser over a cliff as part of the inaugural festivities. __________________ Saint Teresa of Calcutta, pray for us. ALL for Jesus! ALL that He wants! ALL for Jesus!   #183   Oct 9, '16, 8:44 pm Beryllos Senior Member Join Date: May 23, 2013 Posts: 7,041 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Gertabelle Are we all watching the same debate??? I cannot believe how blind we humans can be to see our choice as perfect and everything that doesn't go our way as being "unfair." Debates are usually like that. Each side thinks they did better. Human nature, I guess. Quote: Praying for everyone here...and at home...and our candidates... Amen to that. No matter who wins, the US is gonna need a whole lotta prayer. No matter who wins, we need it. Neither the President, nor the Congress, nor the Supreme Court is going to fix what's wrong. The problem exists in the hearts of the people. Keep praying, keep evangelizing, and do not despair!   #184   Oct 9, '16, 8:46 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Al Moritz The 40 % of Trump supporters will have loved his performance, but I just don' t see how he would have convinced the rest of the country that he has the temperament to be president. That's my opinion of this debate as well. Mr. Trump played to his base and he will have made his supporters happy, but I doubt that this debate is going to prevent him from falling further in the polls or completely stem the fallout from the hot mic recording or the Howard Stern interviews. I think Clinton did a pretty good job and didn't make any real mistakes. I think she seemed quite personable.   #185   Oct 9, '16, 8:47 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,636 Religion: Jewish Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Moderator: Secretary Clinton, does Mr. Trump have the discipline to be president? Will there be a similar question for Mr. Trump about Clinton? Why should there be? For all her faults, she has the discipline. He does not.   #186   Oct 9, '16, 8:49 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,865 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Al Moritz Yes, Trump was more prepared and better than at the first debate, I agree. Yet I thought the visuals of the debate were terrible for Trump. For at least 98 % of the time Hillary made a cool, calm and collected impression. Trump on the other hand was bad on the split screen as she spoke. Impatient and angry looking, sometimes holding his hands on the chair to support his body while he obviously couldn't wait for his turn again, grimacing and several times emphatically raising his mike way before Clinton's speaking time was over; a menacing presence a few times close behind her as she was speaking to the audience member asking the question. The 40 % of Trump supporters will have loved his performance, but I just don' t see how he would have convinced the rest of the country that he has the temperament to be president. A menacing presence? He can't help it that he is a tall man and she is a short woman. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #187   Oct 9, '16, 8:49 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,636 Religion: Jewish Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Gertabelle Really? This is the ugliest presidential election I've ever seen. I think they'd each like to amend the Constitution to allow the President-elect to throw the loser over a cliff as part of the inaugural festivities. I'm convinced it's all an act for the benefit (or, rather, detriment) of the American people. Trump has said good things about Hillary and her policies in the past. He and Bill have been golf partners. They're all made from the same cloth. Politics makes strange bedfellows, as well as adversaries.   #188   Oct 9, '16, 8:51 pm KevinAK Regular Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: October 19, 2006 Posts: 1,456 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Why should there be? For all her faults, she has the discipline. He does not. If the question is asked of one candidate it should be asked of both. Especially since she has repeatedly proven she does not have the discipline to President.   #189   Oct 9, '16, 8:52 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,865 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy I am convinced it's all an act for the benefit (or, rather, detriment) of the American people. This is the worst presidential election I have ever seen! I can't wait for it to be over! __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #190   Oct 9, '16, 8:52 pm ProVobis Forum Elder Join Date: January 26, 2008 Posts: 43,226 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Gertabelle Really? This is the ugliest presidential election I've ever seen. I think they'd each like to amend the Constitution to allow the President-elect to throw the loser over a cliff as part of the inaugural festivities. Either over a cliff or "Bang, Zoom, to the moon, Alice!"   #191   Oct 9, '16, 8:52 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows A menacing presence? He can't help it that he is a tall man and she is a short woman. He should have just sat down. How people manage themselves on the stage will also leave an impression and the way he loomed over Clinton when she was answering some questions will have left a bad impression with some people.   #192   Oct 9, '16, 8:53 pm KevinAK Regular Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: October 19, 2006 Posts: 1,456 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy I am convinced it's all an act for the benefit (or, rather, detriment) of the American people. I agree. I'm not sure Donald Trump isn't trying to help Hillary get elected.   #193   Oct 9, '16, 8:53 pm Songcatcher Junior Member Join Date: August 13, 2015 Posts: 447 Religion: Lutheran/RCIA Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Who won the debate? You Gov post debate poll: Clinton 47% Trump 42% CNN post debate poll: Clinton 57% Trump 34%   #194   Oct 9, '16, 8:54 pm Beryllos Senior Member Join Date: May 23, 2013 Posts: 7,041 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by kat07 Well, Trump did know that Hillary's answer wasn't a compliment to him. In what way was it not a compliment? Saying he is a great father sounds like high praise to me. That's why I did not understand his rather guarded acknowledgement of it. Quote: Instead of saying Hillary is a fighter I think he should have said I admire that Hillary is the first female to be nominated for President, or better ye he could have said he admired how she made 200 million dollars while SOS. How did you do it Hillary? Such an attack would have been foolish. He answered it very well.   #195   Oct 9, '16, 8:56 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Songcatcher Who won the debate? You Gov post debate poll: Clinton 47% Trump 42% CNN post debate poll: Clinton 57% Trump 34% Looks about right to me. I think Clinton did better overall but she certainly didn't land a knockout punch. Trump was definitely better in this debate than in the last one. Oct 9, '16, 8:56 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,865 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr He should have just sat down. How people manage themselves on the stage will also leave an impression and the way he loomed over Clinton when she was answering some questions will have left a bad impression with some people. I thought he was just waiting his turn to speak. Trump took the upper hand tonight. He was aggressive in his answers, but I didn't see him as menacing... If he was angry, he had a right to be. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #197   Oct 9, '16, 8:56 pm Beautiful Senior Member Join Date: June 13, 2007 Posts: 6,897 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Al Moritz Yes, Trump was more prepared and better than at the first debate, I agree. Yet I thought the visuals of the debate were terrible for Trump. For at least 98 % of the time Hillary made a cool, calm and collected impression. Trump on the other hand was bad on the split screen as she spoke. Impatient and angry looking, sometimes holding his hands on the chair to support his body while he obviously couldn't wait for his turn again, grimacing and several times emphatically raising his mike way before Clinton's speaking time was over; a menacing presence a few times close behind her as she was speaking to the audience member asking the question. The 40 % of Trump supporters will have loved his performance, but I just don' t see how he would have convinced the rest of the country that he has the temperament to be president. Hmmm What you see is what you get with Trump...no two face.   #198   Oct 9, '16, 8:57 pm Gertabelle Forum Master Prayer Warrior Join Date: September 14, 2006 Posts: 13,331 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump I'm not sure how the talking heads decide who "won" these debates. What I heard was a whole lot of non-answers: Moderator asks a question. Candidate 1 talks about how Candidate 2 has failed on this or that... I sat there scratching my head -- did they not have an answer? Why not just answer the question? And then some of the comments I heard during this debate reminded me, again, of the sort of whining I hear in my classroom from my first and second graders. Nobody won this debate, except voters who can pat each other on the back and claim "their" candidate won. I'm seriously beginning to wonder whether the real point of these debates is just to encourage people to stay their chosen course. Well, there are probably still a few undecided voters who might be able to come to a decision after this... maybe? __________________ Saint Teresa of Calcutta, pray for us. ALL for Jesus! ALL that He wants! ALL for Jesus!   #199   Oct 9, '16, 8:57 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,636 Religion: Jewish Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr He should have just sat down. How people manage themselves on the stage will also leave an impression and the way he loomed over Clinton when she was answering some questions will have left a bad impression with some people. Also, I noticed that Hillary repeatedly called Trump, Donald. Trump, however, referred to Hillary as "she" except when linking her to Obama, and then he said Hillary Clinton, but never Hillary. These are the things I notice because their messages are the same talking points endlessly repeated.   #200   Oct 9, '16, 8:57 pm punisherthunder Regular Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 1,764 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Songcatcher Who won the debate? You Gov post debate poll: Clinton 47% Trump 42% CNN post debate poll: Clinton 57% Trump 34% Totally rigged poll. Viewers didn't get to vote, only CNN employees and lobbyists actually vote, plus they never reveal the numbers, sample size, or margin of error. According to Drudge Report where viewers vote: TRUMP 89.38% (118,067 votes) CLINTON 10.62% (14,028 votes) Total Votes: 132,095 __________________ Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.............Isaiah 5:20   #201   Oct 9, '16, 8:59 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Beautiful Hmmm What you see is what you get with Trump...no two face. Politicians need to know how to play poker sometimes. Showing what you're thinking isn't always the best option if you want to win.   #202   Oct 9, '16, 9:02 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,636 Religion: Jewish Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Gertabelle I'm not sure how the talking heads decide who "won" these debates. What I heard was a whole lot of non-answers: Moderator asks a question. Candidate 1 talks about how Candidate 2 has failed on this or that... I sat there scratching my head -- did they not have an answer? Why not just answer the question? And then some of the comments I heard during this debate reminded me, again, of the sort of whining I hear in my classroom from my first and second graders. Nobody won this debate, except voters who can pat each other on the back and claim "their" candidate won. I'm seriously beginning to wonder whether the real point of these debates is just to encourage people to stay their chosen course. Well, there are probably still a few undecided voters who might be able to come to a decision after this... maybe? Yes, after this, a decision to either vote third-party or stay at home. Republican Steve Schmidt, who I think gives intelligent analyses on MSNBC, compared the two candidates to a cobra and a mongoose. He didn't say which of them was which.   #203   Oct 9, '16, 9:03 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by punisherthunder Totally rigged poll. Viewers didn't get to vote, only CNN employees and lobbyists actually vote, plus they never reveal the numbers, sample size, or margin of error. According to Drudge Report where viewers vote: TRUMP 89.38% (118,067 votes) CLINTON 10.62% (14,028 votes) Total Votes: 132,095 So is this Drudge Report poll of the debate a scientific poll or just a poll of people who go to Drudge Report which is really only certain kinds of voters who mostly support Mr. Trump?   #204   Oct 9, '16, 9:05 pm _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,524 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Songcatcher Who won the debate? You Gov post debate poll: Clinton 47% Trump 42% CNN post debate poll: Clinton 57% Trump 34% I want to see the samples of the makeup of those that participated in those two polls. After the first debate, I saw numerous Trump supporters online express disappointment in Trump's performance at the debate - this time I see Trump supporters super happy with his debate performance. There is a clear difference I see with Trump supporters on twitter from the first debate to the second debate. Frank Luntz's focus group had Clinton winning first debate. In the focus group for the second debate (presumably different participants, not sure), Trump won: https://twitter.com/frankluntz/statu...16558843371520   #205   Oct 9, '16, 9:05 pm punisherthunder Regular Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 1,764 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr So is this Drudge Report poll of the debate a scientific poll or just a poll of people who go to Drudge Report which is really only certain kinds of voters who mostly support Mr. Trump? It is just a new link site. CNN is not a scientific poll, plus they are biased and debased unlike any other media entity. __________________ Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.............Isaiah 5:20   #206   Oct 9, '16, 9:07 pm Songcatcher Junior Member Join Date: August 13, 2015 Posts: 447 Religion: Lutheran/RCIA Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr So is this Drudge Report poll of the debate a scientific poll or just a poll of people who go to Drudge Report which is really only certain kinds of voters who mostly support Mr. Trump? I posted the only two scientific polls that have been released, so far. I was hoping we could get through this without the silly internet polls but that hope died pretty quickly.   #207   Oct 9, '16, 9:07 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by punisherthunder It is just a new link site. CNN is not a scientific poll, plus they are biased and debased unlike any other media entity. And the Drudge Report poll isn't biased?   #208   Oct 9, '16, 9:07 pm Beryllos Senior Member Join Date: May 23, 2013 Posts: 7,041 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Gertabelle I'm not sure how the talking heads decide who "won" these debates. What I heard was a whole lot of non-answers: Moderator asks a question. Candidate 1 talks about how Candidate 2 has failed on this or that... I sat there scratching my head -- did they not have an answer? Why not just answer the question? And then some of the comments I heard during this debate reminded me, again, of the sort of whining I hear in my classroom from my first and second graders. Nobody won this debate, except voters who can pat each other on the back and claim "their" candidate won. I'm seriously beginning to wonder whether the real point of these debates is just to encourage people to stay their chosen course. Well, there are probably still a few undecided voters who might be able to come to a decision after this... maybe? Presidential debates have been like that as long as I can remember. Not answering the question, or rather answering a different question (delivering a sound bite which they've rehearsed) happens a lot.   #209   Oct 9, '16, 9:09 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Songcatcher I posted the only two scientific polls that have been released, so far. I was hoping we could get through this without the silly internet polls but that hope died pretty quickly. But we know that Mr. Trump is going to use internet polls like the one from Drudge Report to convince himself he won the debate....   #210   Oct 9, '16, 9:09 pm Beryllos Senior Member Join Date: May 23, 2013 Posts: 7,041 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Goodness, look at the clock! I'm outta here...  Oct 10, '16, 5:09 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Suudy Or how about Sec Clinton supporters calling President Clinton's accusers "tramps" Is calling them "tramps" worse than Donald Trump calling Paul Jones a "loser", that another one was "so bad" and saying that they were all "an unattractive cast of characters"?   #452   Oct 10, '16, 5:12 pm Suudy Senior Member Join Date: September 29, 2004 Posts: 6,451 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr Is calling them "tramps" worse than Donald Trump calling Paul Jones a "loser", that another one was "so bad" and saying that they were all "an unattractive cast of characters"? No. But it destroys the narrative that the Clinton campaign and supports are somehow better than Trump. __________________ Tiber Swim Team '05 "To love for the sake of being loved is human; to love for the sake of loving is Angelic." -- Alphonse de Lamartine   #453   Oct 10, '16, 5:16 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Suudy No. But it destroys the narrative that the Clinton campaign and supports are somehow better than Trump. Calling some women "tramps" is pretty mild compared to what Trump said in the hot mic recording...   #454   Oct 10, '16, 5:21 pm Suudy Senior Member Join Date: September 29, 2004 Posts: 6,451 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr Calling some women "tramps" is pretty mild compared to what Trump said in the hot mic recording... Braying sexual bravado and boorish behavior is pretty mild compared to advocating for the expansion of abortion to the point of having federal funds pay for them. __________________ Tiber Swim Team '05 "To love for the sake of being loved is human; to love for the sake of loving is Angelic." -- Alphonse de Lamartine   #455   Oct 10, '16, 5:30 pm YADA Forum Supporter Join Date: October 21, 2004 Posts: 4,884 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr According to Snopes, the claim that Clinton successfully defended an accused child rapist and later laughed about the case is mostly false: http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinto...ghed-about-it/ You can listen to the tape yourself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2f13f2awK4 What I find amazing is that for all of Clinton's I have always cared about children and did so much to help those disadvantaged from before and after this case .. she id not do anything for this child or her family. It is obvious that Hilary thought the man was guilty .. the 12 year old was raped by two men - beaten and then left in a coma for days and unable to have children - and Hilary did not one thing for this girl after getting her rapist off with 2 months served ... She did not offer any help herself, she did not use her position to get any of her contacts to get someone else to assist this girl or her family .. Hilary had to know that this 12 year old was not only physically traumatized but emotionally ... She was sought out to help this rapist because he "wanted a woman lawyer" ... and accepted the job - But the woman who has always advocated for women and children - but could not bring herself to extend help in any way after the case was decided. Perhaps the fact that the girl was from the "other side of the tracks" to quote Hilary was a factor .. or that 12 year olds from broken homes seek out attention and exaggerate __________________ Living the Journey, YADA Respect Christ - Vote Life   #456   Oct 10, '16, 5:32 pm Michael68 Banned Join Date: August 17, 2015 Posts: 5,225 Religion: Cradle Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr According to Snopes, the claim that Clinton successfully defended an accused child rapist and later laughed about the case is mostly false: http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinto...ghed-about-it/ And this justifies Clinton saying it was the victim's fault and that the victum sought out male attention or something like. If Clinton was reluctant did she have to paint the victim as emotionally disturbed? Does anything about what happened to this victim at the hands of a rapist then Hillary seem funny?   #457   Oct 10, '16, 5:33 pm Michael Mayo Regular Member Join Date: March 7, 2012 Posts: 4,901 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Nothing anyone can say could convince me to vote for either of the two main candidates. __________________ “Lord, I have let myself be deceived; in a thousand ways I have shunned your love, yet here I am once more, to renew my covenant with you. I need you. Save me once again, Lord, take me once more into your redeeming embrace”. - Pope Francis   #458   Oct 10, '16, 5:33 pm Inisfallen Regular Member Join Date: November 9, 2013 Posts: 1,478 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by livnlern And what about his trips to "Pedophile Island" with Jeffery Epstein? He's gone to that place with Epstein at least 26 times. No matter how you look at it, there's no explaining this away. http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/14/bi...usly-reported/ Jeffrey Epstein is indeed a very bad guy. You know, right, that Donald Trump has been accused of the same thing (i.e, sex with underage girls at Mr. Epstein's parties)? He's even been sued for it. I believe one suit is currently pending. So you're going to have to decide how seriously you take these accusations.   #459   Oct 10, '16, 5:35 pm DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Michael68 And this justifies Clinton saying it was the victim's fault and that the victum sought out male attention or something like. HIllary said that? The 12 year old was asking for it? __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #460   Oct 10, '16, 5:40 pm Michael68 Banned Join Date: August 17, 2015 Posts: 5,225 Religion: Cradle Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY HIllary said that? The 12 year old was asking for it? Yes, HRC's defense in part was this little girl was from the wrong side of the tracks and seeking adult male companionship.That is pathetic and blows the whole "I'm for children" scam outta the water!   #461   Oct 10, '16, 5:49 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Michael68 And this justifies Clinton saying it was the victim's fault and that the victum sought out male attention or something like. If Clinton was reluctant did she have to paint the victim as emotionally disturbed? Does anything about what happened to this victim at the hands of a rapist then Hillary seem funny? I don't know all the details of the case, but the lawyer representing a defendant and the one representing a plaintiff or victim are always involved in an adversarial proceeding. It is the lawyer's job to defend his/her client or convict the other lawyer's client. That's the way the law works in our system of law. Clinton defended her client which is what she was supposed to do.   #462   Oct 10, '16, 7:02 pm Peter J Forum Elder Join Date: April 7, 2008 Posts: 17,602 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Has Donald Trump been trying to make deals with Hillary Clinton this whole time, or did it just start after the “Access Hollywood” clip was released? (“If they wanna release more tapes saying inappropriate things, we’ll continue to talk about Bill and Hillary Clinton doing inappropriate things,” Trump said. - http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...s-tapes-229566 )   #463   Oct 10, '16, 7:26 pm lmachine Regular Member Join Date: March 8, 2016 Posts: 1,997 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Michael68 Who glorified sexual assault besides HRC? She defends rapists She did some criminal defense work, which U.S. presidents have a long history of.   #464   Oct 10, '16, 8:18 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,636 Religion: Jewish Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia I believe that one of the ones Kathy Shelton brought up in the press conference with Donald Trump was that Hillary was laughing and saying that she knew he did it. Presumably meaning the man accused of rape? And there is I believe audio of Hillary Rodham laughing. Why wouldn't the sexual assault victims of Bill Clinton also be against the sexual assault comments of Donald Trump? Wouldn't that be more logical? I would think that any victim of such a crime would likewise be against others who speak this way. Do you think their political or personal bias stands in the way since they despise Hillary and Bill Clinton so much? Yet why would they support Trump, who speaks, if not behaves, like Bill Clinton?   #465   Oct 10, '16, 8:21 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Why wouldn't the sexual assault victims of Bill Clinton also be against the sexual-assault comments of Donald Trump? Wouldn't that be more logical? I would think that any victim of such a crime would likewise be against others who speak this way. Do you think their political or personal bias stands in the way since they despise Hillary and Bill Clinton so much? Yet why would they support Trump, who speaks, if not behaves, like Bill Clinton? Because they were victims of Bill and Hillary's actions not Trump's words. It's not logical to conflate words with actions. In real life there is a big difference between words and actions. As catholics we have something called mortal sin versus venial. Oct 10, '16, 8:25 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,636 Religion: Jewish Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Because they were victims of Bill and Hillary's actions not Trump's words. It's not logical to conflate words with actions. In real life there is a big difference between words and actions. As catholics we have something called mortal sin versus venial. I realize actions speak louder than words. However, wouldn't it be the natural reaction of most people who were victimized to stay far away from those who speak in such a manner, such as Trump? That part I don't quite understand.   #467   Oct 10, '16, 8:34 pm Dwyer Regular Member Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Why wouldn't the sexual assault victims of Bill Clinton also be against the sexual assault comments of Donald Trump? Wouldn't that be more logical? I would think that any victim of such a crime would likewise be against others who speak this way. Do you think their political or personal bias stands in the way since they despise Hillary and Bill Clinton so much? Yet why would they support Trump, who speaks, if not behaves, like Bill Clinton? I just finished watching tonight's Hannity, and Sean interviewed Kathleen Willey and Juanita Broaddrick after last night's Debate, and they said Trump has apologized about what he said in the Access Hollywood tape and is contrite while Hillary Clinton has never apologized for publicly targeting, humiliating, and besmirching their character and reputations as alleged raped and attempted rape victims of Bill Clinton. They also made the distinction between bad words versus bad acts. __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)   #468   Oct 10, '16, 8:43 pm Michael68 Banned Join Date: August 17, 2015 Posts: 5,225 Religion: Cradle Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump And here we have it, while demanding Trump apologize for this and that, HRC still refuses to apologize for anything she has done to these women or the stress she caused a Goldstar mom. That's an interesting one. HRC has demanded an apology from Trump for his so-called mistreatment of the Kahns when she herself lied to a Golstar mom and when called on it , she said the Goldstar mom was confused. That is extremely deplorable . She is a hypocrite and has no plan except ruin Trump. Very Pathetic this woman!   #469   Oct 10, '16, 8:55 pm LeafByNiggle Veteran Member Join Date: December 5, 2010 Posts: 10,594 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Michael68 And here we have it, while demanding Trump apologize for this and that, HRC still refuses to apologize for anything she has done to these women or the stress she caused a Goldstar mom. That's an interesting one. HRC has demanded an apology from Trump for his so-called mistreatment of the Kahns when she herself lied to a Golstar mom and when called on it , she said the Goldstar mom was confused. That is extremely deplorable . She is a hypocrite and has no plan except ruin Trump. Very Pathetic this woman! Excuse me, but perhaps the Goldstar mom was confused. Do you have evidence? Do you have anything other than allegations of mistreatment?   #470   Oct 10, '16, 9:01 pm Michael68 Banned Join Date: August 17, 2015 Posts: 5,225 Religion: Cradle Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by LeafByNiggle Excuse me, but perhaps the Goldstar mom was confused. Do you have evidence? Do you have anything other than allegations of mistreatment? HRC on video told a Goldstar mom that a video was the reason her son died. Chris Wallace called her on it and HRC, in typical fashion, trashed the Goldstar mom by saying the mom was confused. This mom has been interviewed several times and she is not confused about what HRC told her on that video.   #471   Oct 10, '16, 9:02 pm LeafByNiggle Veteran Member Join Date: December 5, 2010 Posts: 10,594 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Dwyer I just finished watching tonight's Hannity, and Sean interviewed Kathleen Willey and Juanita Broaddrick after last night's Debate, and they said Trump has apologized about what he said in the Access Hollywood tape and is contrite We don't have to take anyone else's word for whether Trump has really apologized. We can read it for ourselves: I’ve never said I’m a perfect person, nor pretended to be someone that I’m not. I’ve said and done things I regret, and the words released today on this more than a decade-old video are one of them. Anyone who knows me knows these words don’t reflect who I am. I said it, I was wrong, and I apologize. I’ve traveled the country talking about change for America, but my travels have also changed me. I’ve spent time with grieving mothers who’ve lost their children, laid-off workers whose jobs have gone to other countries, and people from all walks of life who just want a better future. I have gotten to know the great people of our country, and I’ve been humbled by the faith they’ve placed in me. I pledge to be a better man tomorrow and will never, ever let you down. Let’s be honest — we’re living in the real world. This is nothing more than a distraction from the important issues we’re facing today. We are losing our jobs, we’re less safe than we were eight years ago, and Washington is totally broken. Hillary Clinton and her kind have run our country into the ground. I’ve said some foolish things, but there’s a big difference between the words and actions of other people. Bill Clinton has actually abused women, and Hillary has bullied, attacked, shamed and intimidated his victims. We will discuss this more in the coming days. See you at the debate on Sunday That sounds more like a defense than an apology. Quote: while Hillary Clinton has never apologized for publicly targeting, humiliating, and besmirching their character and reputations as alleged raped and attempted rape victims of Bill Clinton. Has Bill Clinton ever been convicted of rape? No? Then it is just speculation.   #472   Oct 10, '16, 9:05 pm Michael68 Banned Join Date: August 17, 2015 Posts: 5,225 Religion: Cradle Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump And Hillary hasn't even managed a poor apology. I'm sorry (lol) but this hypocrisy won't do   #473   Oct 10, '16, 9:06 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,636 Religion: Jewish Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by LeafByNiggle We don't have to take anyone else's word for whether Trump has really apologized. We can read it for ourselves: I’ve never said I’m a perfect person, nor pretended to be someone that I’m not. I’ve said and done things I regret, and the words released today on this more than a decade-old video are one of them. Anyone who knows me knows these words don’t reflect who I am. I said it, I was wrong, and I apologize. I’ve traveled the country talking about change for America, but my travels have also changed me. I’ve spent time with grieving mothers who’ve lost their children, laid-off workers whose jobs have gone to other countries, and people from all walks of life who just want a better future. I have gotten to know the great people of our country, and I’ve been humbled by the faith they’ve placed in me. I pledge to be a better man tomorrow and will never, ever let you down. Let’s be honest — we’re living in the real world. This is nothing more than a distraction from the important issues we’re facing today. We are losing our jobs, we’re less safe than we were eight years ago, and Washington is totally broken. Hillary Clinton and her kind have run our country into the ground. I’ve said some foolish things, but there’s a big difference between the words and actions of other people. Bill Clinton has actually abused women, and Hillary has bullied, attacked, shamed and intimidated his victims. We will discuss this more in the coming days. See you at the debate on Sunday That sounds more like a defense than an apology. Has Bill Clinton ever been convicted of rape? No? Then it is just speculation. To be fair, it does sound like an apology to me. Perhaps Trump would have done better if he had resisted the temptation to mention Bill and Hillary Clinton at the tail end of his apology, especially since he semi-supported Bill Clinton when the latter was accused of misconduct. But hey, this is politics, and the race is drawing to a close.   #474   Oct 10, '16, 9:17 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy To be fair, it does sound like an apology to me. Perhaps Trump would have done better if he had resisted the temptation to mention Bill and Hillary Clinton at the tail end of his apology, especially since he semi-supported Bill Clinton when the latter was accused of misconduct. But hey, this is politics, and the race is drawing to a close. Aside from his words, Trump didn't sound or look very contrite to me.   #475   Oct 10, '16, 9:22 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,636 Religion: Jewish Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr Aside from his words, Trump didn't sound or look very contrite to me. As I said, it's politics. Who knows what the real thoughts and feelings are of any candidate? Or, as my friend's Italian uncle used to say whenever he saw politicians on television: "It's all-a bull****."   #476   Oct 11, '16, 12:44 am Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,437 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy I realize actions speak louder than words. However, wouldn't it be the natural reaction of most people who were victimized to stay far away from those who speak in such a manner, such as Trump? That part I don't quite understand. I don't understand it either, especially when at the time, Trump had a different opinion of it all. He was sympathetic to Bill and Hillary. He called Paula Jones a "loser". There's an interview Trump did back in 1998 with Chris Matthews. One more month. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #477   Oct 11, '16, 1:00 am Vincent N Junior Member Join Date: August 11, 2004 Posts: 228 Religion: catholic Trump, the catalyst The establishment media is strong. Lately, it has abused its power to push their agenda to the point of absurdity. People have lost trust in the establishment media. They see it as a tool of mass control. Liberals collude to advance their agenda. Conservatives cave as the slightest provocation in fear of the facade of peer pressure. The people are cowed. Their hearts are shaken. But. While the fear of peer pressure has a profound effect on behavior, a person's core reasoning persists because it is tied to their very existence. Trump won the debate. All the polls and smears from the establishment media can't cover that fact up. Even as I am shaken to believe that more of my peers are against Trump and for Clinton, that there is something wrong with Trump, I can't help but notice that THE LIVE AUDIENCE WAS SUPPORTING TRUMP. Trump is the rejection of establishment media, of Conservatives who cave, sulk, and turn coat when the media attacks. Trump is the CATALYST OF CHANGE - to reject their abuse of power. At the debate stage, when he makes their argument for them, the people are emboldened to support him. Nothing can change this recorded fact. Hillary Clinton should be in jail.   #478   Oct 11, '16, 4:14 am Michael68 Banned Join Date: August 17, 2015 Posts: 5,225 Religion: Cradle Roman Catholic Re: Trump, the catalyst Quote: Originally Posted by Vincent N The establishment media is strong. Lately, it has abused its power to push their agenda to the point of absurdity. People have lost trust in the establishment media. They see it as a tool of mass control. Liberals collude to advance their agenda. Conservatives cave as the slightest provocation in fear of the facade of peer pressure. The people are cowed. Their hearts are shaken. But. While the fear of peer pressure has a profound effect on behavior, a person's core reasoning persists because it is tied to their very existence. Trump won the debate. All the polls and smears from the establishment media can't cover that fact up. Even as I am shaken to believe that more of my peers are against Trump and for Clinton, that there is something wrong with Trump, I can't help but notice that THE LIVE AUDIENCE WAS SUPPORTING TRUMP. Trump is the rejection of establishment media, of Conservatives who cave, sulk, and turn coat when the media attacks. Trump is the CATALYST OF CHANGE - to reject their abuse of power. At the debate stage, when he makes their argument for them, the people are emboldened to support him. Nothing can change this recorded fact. Hillary Clinton should be in jail. I agree!!!!!   #479   Oct 11, '16, 4:38 am Monte RCMS Forum Master Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,658 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Monte RCMS The CAF thread on Haiti includes a link to this GAO report [by Congress] on the failure to spend the money they appropriated ... they gave the money one day after the earthquake ... but the State Department did not spend it. http://www.gao.gov/assets/590/586701.pdf You also build homes out of concrete ... especially out of "ferrocement" which is a few layers of chicken wire over a light frame and two thin layers of mortar troweled on it from each side. They don't rot and are immune to termites. Perfect for tropical areas in earthquake zones. And you can add on to them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrocement Ferrocement has been around for 200 years. And it extremely easy, cheap and fast to use to build houses, water tanks, boat hulls, etc. You can build them small or large. Very easy to learn how to do it. https://www.google.com/search?q=ferr...w=1116&bih=876 The other thing easy to do is reforestation. Also known as planting trees. Some varieties can grow several feet per year. And they are not only useful for making things but also for use as cooking fuel and for preventing soil erosion. Probably I should repost these two posts onto a Haiti thread, but I just wanted to finish this thought ... about just one more example of how Hillary failed again. People in Haiti not only died from direct storm results and flooding and lack of shelter ... but they also are dying from lack of drinking water ... and getting cholera. Safe drinking water is the number one essential item. And it is the EASIEST to correct and to provide. First, you collect water. For that you need some sort of tank. You can build them out of ferrocement but you can also put up temporary water storage. Have you ever seen an above ground swimming pool? Well they hold five thousand or ten thousand gallons of water. You can fill them up and use them as neighborhood reservoirs. THEN, two, you provide some basic water filtration & purification. Ever hear of a "swimming pool filter"? Technically, they are "sand filters". You can buy them anywhere. I have used them in third world countries and they work just fine. You don't need giant construction specifications. And THEN, three, you provide further purification. You can use a Berkey water filter ... from Amazon and delivered by FedEx. OR you can use a LifeStraw. They come in different sizes. OR/And you can use chlorination. The same stuff you put in your swimming pool. OR you can use bleach. Same stuff. Different names. NONE OF THIS IS ROCKET SCIENCE. And Clinton has the resources to provide ALL of this, but chooses to make promises and photo opportunities and DOES NOTHING. Just more empty promises. ["I am going to do this". And "I'm going to do that". Another "program".] [You don't need a "program".] She could have been doing this stuff all along. Pass these three posts to your friends. It's easy stuff to actually do. Maybe someone in one of the aid groups will read them and just fly the stuff in from Miami. Above ground swimming pools, filters and Berkey and Lifestraw water purifiers. Cement and light steel chicken wire for ferrocement houses and water tanks are easy. Chlorine bleach is easy. Those little testing kits are easy. Stop wringing the hands and stop making empty promises. Doing basic stuff is easy to do. [Trump, Trump, Trump ... well, he already employs more than 20,000 people. He said he could build the wall easily and he can because he knows how to DO STUFF. As President he can give the order to U.S. AID to actually do stuff in Haiti, instead of arguing about what language the construction specification should be written in and how many language translations are needed.] __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth. Last edited by Monte RCMS; Oct 11, '16 at 4:53 am.   #480   Oct 11, '16, 4:50 am Little Sheep Regular Member Join Date: January 4, 2016 Posts: 1,766 Religion: Episcopalian Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump I personally get irritated at the attempt to blame Mrs. Clinton for her husband's infidelities and at the attempt to lump them together as a single unit. I get the latter, of course, because they have been married for a very long time and they are clearly very close and devoted to one another. Still, it is Hillary, not Bill, who is running for President of the United States and there is no reason in the world to believe that Hillary has been sexually aggressive and inappropriate towards other human beings. As to the former, it's a head scratcher. Let's say for the sake of argument that Mr. Trump was married to Melania and had been successful in his efforts to bed that married woman who he was discussing with Bush on the tape. Let's say that Melania found out about it and had some uncharitable words for the woman who had slept with her husband. Would we blame Melania for that? I know I wouldn't. We'll have a better idea by Friday or Monday - when a variety of new polls will pick up the mood of the electorate post the dropping of this Access Hollywood tape - but in the earliest polls attempting to measure that, Mrs. Clinton is beating Mr. Trump by double digits both nationally and in the battleground states. Prayers for the Republican Party that they can salvage something good in the wake of Mr. Trump. Oct 11, '16, 4:58 am Monte RCMS Forum Master Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,658 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Little Sheep I personally get irritated at the attempt to blame Mrs. Clinton for her husband's infidelities and at the attempt to lump them together as a single unit. I get the latter, of course, because they have been married for a very long time and they are clearly very close and devoted to one another. Still, it is Hillary, not Bill, who is running for President of the United States and there is no reason in the world to believe that Hillary has been sexually aggressive and inappropriate towards other human beings. As to the former, it's a head scratcher. Let's say for the sake of argument that Mr. Trump was married to Melania and had been successful in his efforts to bed that married woman who he was discussing with Bush on the tape. Let's say that Melania found out about it and had some uncharitable words for the woman who had slept with her husband. Would we blame Melania for that? I know I wouldn't. We'll have a better idea by Friday or Monday - when a variety of new polls will pick up the mood of the electorate post the dropping of this Access Hollywood tape - but in the earliest polls attempting to measure that, Mrs. Clinton is beating Mr. Trump by double digits both nationally and in the battleground states. Prayers for the Republican Party that they can salvage something good in the wake of Mr. Trump. Hillary ATTACKED the victims of her husband. And destroyed them. And the polls show Trump won the debate: Variety: Trump 64; Clinton 36 Time Magazine: Trump 89; Clinton 11 Drudge: Trump 70; Clinton 30 Fox: Trump 85; Clinton 15 Breitbart: Trump 93; Clinton 7 __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth.   #482   Oct 11, '16, 5:06 am sallybutler Regular Member Forum Supporter Join Date: July 3, 2011 Posts: 3,724 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Monte RCMS Hillary ATTACKED the victims of her husband. And destroyed them. And the polls show Trump won the debate: Variety: Trump 64; Clinton 36 Time Magazine: Trump 89; Clinton 11 Drudge: Trump 70; Clinton 30 Fox: Trump 85; Clinton 15 Breitbart: Trump 93; Clinton 7 And yet you are okay with Trump attacking anyone who insults him or his? __________________ 'Those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless.' James 1:26   #483   Oct 11, '16, 5:27 am queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Pathetic media plasters about trump tape everywhere; yahoo homepage looks like hillary campaign headquarters. They try their hardest to say trump has sexually assaulted people while everybody knows it's bill who has done exactly that and hillary has done his coverup. The despicableness of media is beyond evil.   #484   Oct 11, '16, 5:31 am DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Monte RCMS Hillary ATTACKED the victims of her husband. And destroyed them. Exactly. No, she wasn't some little Tammy Wynette just standing by her man. She was actively engaged in smearing these women who came forward so that she could protect the Clinton family political power. __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #485   Oct 11, '16, 5:34 am queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY Exactly. No, she wasn't some little Tammy Wynette just standing by her man. She was actively engaged in smearing these women who came forward so that she could protect the Clinton family political power. If not for Trump bringing this up during the debate, the millennials would never hear anything about it from our beloved media. They would only hear how hillary fights for women and children--ALL TALK, ONLY TALK.   #486   Oct 11, '16, 6:06 am stevegravy Regular Member Join Date: October 18, 2007 Posts: 2,603 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by sallybutler And yet you are okay with Trump attacking anyone who insults him or his? Well of course! Politics is a blood sport, don't want to fight don't get into politics. PS It is a zero sum game (for the politicians) its usually a guarantee loss for the public.   #487   Oct 11, '16, 6:30 am stevegravy Regular Member Join Date: October 18, 2007 Posts: 2,603 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by LeafByNiggle Has Bill Clinton ever been convicted of rape? No? Then it is just speculation. And 50 years ago the media covered up JFK dalliance with mob molls and actresses. It covered for Teddy killing his secretary and all of his philandering and being half of a waitress sandwich. Kennedy's have so much influence the family got cardinals for his funeral mass. Clinton was impeached for obstruction and perjury but the Dems in the Senate circled the wagons and exonerated him. And this administration has weaponized government agencies against the American people and their political opponents. (IRS, FBI Justice even the park service). No crime is too big or too small to cover up. (Handling State Secrets, destroying evidence, gun running, interfering in foreign elections, murdering foreigners with no declaration of war and that is just the start) And some people want to have the vapors because of Trump bragging of his sexual prowess! You do realize this election is between two griffters. Who do you think is worse the one who will destroy what is left of the constitution particularly the 1st 2nd and 5th amendments, or the one who never read it? You do realize how rapid the decent of the rule of law has been when you realized Nixon was a vote away from impeachment and conviction when he resigned for destroying 18 minutes of tape. It the past 6 years we watched IRS computer hard drives wrecked when under subpoena , 30.000 e mails deleted Administration Departments refusing to hand over documents to oversight committees, the military sent off to fight in undeclared wars, gun running to drug cartels. Excuse me if I don't care what the hot mikes reveal just more of the same old s***. Last edited by stevegravy; Oct 11, '16 at 6:46 am.   #488   Oct 11, '16, 6:35 am lmachine Regular Member Join Date: March 8, 2016 Posts: 1,997 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Why wouldn't the sexual assault victims of Bill Clinton also be against the sexual assault comments of Donald Trump? Wouldn't that be more logical? Only one side is paying them.   #489   Oct 11, '16, 6:49 am zaffiroborant Regular Member Join Date: February 14, 2008 Posts: 3,688 Religion: catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by stevegravy And some people want to have the vapors because of Trump bragging of his sexual prowess! He was bragging about groping women without their consent. Do you think it's right for men to walk up and fondle women they find attractive, to kiss them grab them by the crotch? __________________ If the sky falls we shall catch larks.   #490   Oct 11, '16, 6:52 am queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by zaffiroborant He was bragging about groping women without their consent. Do you think it's right for men to walk up and fondle women they find attractive, to kiss them grab them by the crotch? When will we admit this: https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/s...48514030485504   #491   Oct 11, '16, 6:55 am zaffiroborant Regular Member Join Date: February 14, 2008 Posts: 3,688 Religion: catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv When will we admit this: https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/s...48514030485504 So? Does that justify what he said he has done? These are not his thoughts these are his actions. __________________ If the sky falls we shall catch larks.   #492   Oct 11, '16, 6:58 am Monte RCMS Forum Master Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,658 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by sallybutler And yet you are okay with Trump attacking anyone who insults him or his? It is one thing to ctiticize a politician and another thing to hire detectives to hunt down and destroy the Clinton victims ... which is what Hillary did ... and these women were not major players or heavy hitters. They were just ordinary women who were inconvenient to Hillary. __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth.   #493   Oct 11, '16, 6:58 am Maximilan Kolbe Banned Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by lmachine Only one side is paying them. Apparently the left didn't really mean it when they claimed Clinton's lecherous behavior didn't have any bearing on his ability to run the country, both when he was accused multiple times in 1992, or when he was indicted in 1998. Character didn't matter then, but it matters now.   #494   Oct 11, '16, 7:01 am DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by Maximilan Kolbe Apparently the left didn't really mean it when they claimed Clinton's lecherous behavior didn't have any bearing on his ability to run the country, both when he was accused multiple times in 1992, or when he was indicted in 1998. Character didn't matter then, but it matters now. Funny how that works, isn't it? __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #495   Oct 11, '16, 7:01 am Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,437 Religion: Catholic Re: In second Clinton debate, damaging tape increases stakes for Trump Quote: Originally Posted by zaffiroborant He was bragging about groping women without their consent. Do you think it's right for men to walk up and fondle women they find attractive, to kiss them grab them by the crotch? You see this is the lesser of two evils, because Bill Clinton was unfaithful too and got impeached. Even though Trump hasn't mentioned abortion for months, and not even at his convention, he will appoint the best judges, tremendous judges. Besides, even though he was newly married to a model, the father of four, almost 60, he was a Democrat then. And it was locker room talk. And a married man, almost 60 years old needed a tic tac because he might not possibly contain himself in kissing an actress he was going to meet in a few seconds. When I think of a culture of life, what else can come into my mind but a lecherous man. Isn't it great that the republican party has evolved that lecherous behavior is tolerated in order to foster a culture of life? That's what I want my kids to learn. Sorry for the sarcasm. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.