Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates

Oct 26, '16, 3:57 pm

Dwyer Regular Member   Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic

Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Lesbian, gay and bisexual adults are more likely than their straight counterparts to abuse substances and experience mental illness, according to a report from the Department of Health's Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA). Nearly 40 percent of those who identify as lesbian, gay or bisexual (LGB) claimed to have used illicit drugs in the past year, compared to 17 percent of those who identify as straight. LGB adults also reported higher rates of drinking and cigarette use and were "more than twice as likely as sexual majority adults to have experienced any kind of mental illness in the past year" . . . "Organizations have already started addressing this issue by calling for more research and more education for healthcare providers," Dr. Yarbrough said. "Addressing health-related issues that affect the LGBT community is not really taught in medical school or in residencies. Sometimes all you get are two hours of training and that's it. At the very least, healthcare providers must graduate with a high level of education on these issues." http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/report-lesbian-gay-bi-adults-face-higher-substance-abuse-rates-n671876 Interesting statistics given that the LGB lifestyle is now accepted by the MSM and Federal and state and local government. __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)

#2   Oct 26, '16, 4:50 pm

Regular Atheist Regular Member   Join Date: July 14, 2012 Posts: 1,819

Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by Dwyer Interesting statistics given that the LGB lifestyle is now accepted by the MSM and Federal and state and local government. Which means there is no stigma attached to being LGBT on any level anymore. We still live in a society that undoubtedly favours cisgender heterosexual people and their families over any other people or arrangement.

#3   Oct 26, '16, 5:43 pm

Little Sheep Regular Member   Join Date: January 4, 2016 Posts: 1,766 Religion: Episcopalian

Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by Dwyer http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/report-lesbian-gay-bi-adults-face-higher-substance-abuse-rates-n671876 Interesting statistics given that the LGB lifestyle is now accepted by the MSM and Federal and state and local government. If these statistics are true, they will plummet after a generation of people welcome gay human beings fully into their hearts and lives and public institutions. That day can't come too soon for me.

#4   Oct 26, '16, 7:03 pm

JSAD Junior Member   Join Date: April 22, 2011 Posts: 161 Religion: Catholic

Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Aren't they already accepted? You mean more like forced down our throats to like it..whether we want to or not?

#5   Oct 26, '16, 7:14 pm

Trader Regular Member   Join Date: June 28, 2007 Posts: 3,894 Religion: Catholic

Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by Dwyer http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/report-lesbian-gay-bi-adults-face-higher-substance-abuse-rates-n671876 Interesting statistics given that the LGB lifestyle is now accepted by the MSM and Federal and state and local government. It must follow that drug abuse should be accepted. It is part of how they were born. Domestic violence is also higher in same sex relationships, so that must also be accepted as normal and good.

#6   Oct 26, '16, 7:22 pm

Bruised Reed Senior Member   Join Date: June 27, 2004 Posts: 7,558 Religion: Bad Catholic

Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by JSAD Aren't they already accepted? You mean more like forced down our throats to like it..whether we want to or not? What is your definition or understanding of "accepted"? People who are LGBT have gained some rights and visibility but they can still be fired just for their orientation, they are still ostracized by family and so-called friends, and if they aren't out they often hear those family and friends talk about LGBT people in unkind terms. The only message they may hear from their faith community is that they are going to hell. They are told they should just kill themselves; I have witnessed this. Hearing about it anecdotally is horrific. It is so much worse seeing it or hearing it "live." __________________ From the cross Jesus gave us his mother to be our own. We need her, the one whom God chose to need. ^V^

#7   Oct 26, '16, 7:31 pm

Michael Mayo Regular Member   Join Date: March 7, 2012 Posts: 4,903 Religion: Catholic

Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by Bruised Reed What is your definition or understanding of "accepted"? People who are LGBT have gained some rights and visibility but they can still be fired just for their orientation, they are still ostracized by family and so-called friends, and if they aren't out they often hear those family and friends talk about LGBT people in unkind terms. The only message they may hear from their faith community is that they are going to hell. They are told they should just kill themselves; I have witnessed this. Hearing about it anecdotally is horrific. It is so much worse seeing it or hearing it "live." Very true, We have not really gotten past racism after all these years. Gender issues are even less resolved in our society. __________________ “Lord, I have let myself be deceived; in a thousand ways I have shunned your love, yet here I am once more, to renew my covenant with you. I need you. Save me once again, Lord, take me once more into your redeeming embrace”. - Pope Francis

#8   Oct 26, '16, 7:38 pm

Bruised Reed Senior Member   Join Date: June 27, 2004 Posts: 7,558 Religion: Bad Catholic

Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by Dwyer http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/report-lesbian-gay-bi-adults-face-higher-substance-abuse-rates-n671876 Interesting statistics given that the LGB lifestyle is now accepted by the MSM and Federal and state and local government. Which came first: being LGBT or abusing drugs including alcohol? It's known that people who identify as LGBT have more health problems, too. Why? Because if they inform their doctor they risk discrimination; they risk health concerns being dismissed. Consider how Catholics, specifically women, are treated when they say no to contraception. I've read many stories on CAF of doctors behaving unethically or unkindly towards their Catholic patients. Is it okay for LGBT people to experience the same thing? Should the gay man in a committed relationship be denied adequate care and a straight man who is living with his girlfriend given better care? __________________ From the cross Jesus gave us his mother to be our own. We need her, the one whom God chose to need. ^V^

#9   Oct 26, '16, 7:40 pm

JSAD Junior Member   Join Date: April 22, 2011 Posts: 161 Religion: Catholic

Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by Bruised Reed What is your definition or understanding of "accepted"? People who are LGBT have gained some rights and visibility but they can still be fired just for their orientation, they are still ostracized by family and so-called friends, and if they aren't out they often hear those family and friends talk about LGBT people in unkind terms. The only message they may hear from their faith community is that they are going to hell. They are told they should just kill themselves; I have witnessed this. Hearing about it anecdotally is horrific. It is so much worse seeing it or hearing it "live." A lot of Catholics face the same persecution, even in the US

#10   Oct 26, '16, 7:45 pm

Bruised Reed Senior Member   Join Date: June 27, 2004 Posts: 7,558 Religion: Bad Catholic

Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by JSAD A lot of Catholics face the same persecution, even in the US No, they don't. Especially if they are white and/ or male. Not even close. Christianity is social currency, with a few exceptions which is what you are talking about. Few. Curious when you last heard of someone hammering a Catholic with "kill your self." __________________ From the cross Jesus gave us his mother to be our own. We need her, the one whom God chose to need. ^V^

#11   Oct 26, '16, 8:30 pm

Exiled Child Veteran Member   Join Date: June 30, 2014 Posts: 12,329 Religion: Catholic

Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates The reason for higher drug abuse rates must occasionally have something to do with societal rejection or familial rejection, but I would guess that it primarily just has to do with depression, and of buying into that whole notion that life is best when one engages in hedonistic, self-indulgent behavior. It's a really broad generalization, but there definitely is a libertine sort of mindset that's readily apparent in the gay community. Who even knows if these statistics are true, but if they are, I think that would explain it. The reason why Christians believe homosexuality is missing the mark is because it tends to lead to unhappiness. That's a long-observed tendency, not something that's always true. It has nothing to do with actually disliking gay people, because that would be dumb for any number of reasons. There are exceptions, because obviously there do exist heterosexual couples who are unhappy and homosexual couples who are happy, but that isn't the norm. It doesn't tend to be, at least. Tradition tends to lead to happiness, or at least greatly increases the odds. __________________ Solvitur ambulando…. It is solved by walking… ~Augustine

#12   Oct 26, '16, 8:37 pm

ucfengr Regular Member   Join Date: July 25, 2014 Posts: 4,142 Religion: Catholic

Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by Regular Atheist Which means there is no stigma attached to being LGBT on any level anymore. We still live in a society that undoubtedly favours cisgender heterosexual people and their families over any other people or arrangement. We also live in a society where made up words like "cisgender" are accepted by our elites as having an actual meaning, as if men sexually attracted to women or women sexually attracted to men are some kind of strange deviation.

#13   Oct 26, '16, 8:40 pm

ucfengr Regular Member   Join Date: July 25, 2014 Posts: 4,142 Religion: Catholic

Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by Michael Mayo Very true, We have not really gotten past racism after all these years. Gender issues are even less resolved in our society. For most of human history, gender issues were resolved. It was understood that the norm was men being attracted to women and women being attracted to women. It's only recently that this norm has been questioned.

#14   Oct 26, '16, 9:05 pm

MaryT777 Forum Master   Join Date: November 23, 2012 Posts: 14,356 Religion: Catholic

Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by JSAD Aren't they already accepted? You mean more like forced down our throats to like it..whether we want to or not?

#15   Oct 26, '16, 10:12 pm

Rosebud77 Veteran Member   Join Date: February 7, 2013 Posts: 10,030 Religion: Catholic

Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by JSAD Aren't they already accepted? You mean more like forced down our throats to like it..whether we want to or not?       Oct 26, '16, 10:15 pm Rosebud77 Veteran Member   Join Date: February 7, 2013 Posts: 10,030 Religion: Catholic Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by Exiled Child The reason for higher drug abuse rates must occasionally have something to do with societal rejection or familial rejection, but I would guess that it primarily just has to do with depression, and of buying into that whole notion that life is best when one engages in hedonistic, self-indulgent behavior. It's a really broad generalization, but there definitely is a libertine sort of mindset that's readily apparent in the gay community. Who even knows if these statistics are true, but if they are, I think that would explain it. The reason why Christians believe homosexuality is missing the mark is because it tends to lead to unhappiness. That's a long-observed tendency, not something that's always true. It has nothing to do with actually disliking gay people, because that would be dumb for any number of reasons. There are exceptions, because obviously there do exist heterosexual couples who are unhappy and homosexual couples who are happy, but that isn't the norm. It doesn't tend to be, at least. Tradition tends to lead to happiness, or at least greatly increases the odds. Some good truth in this. Thank you. and they blame others?   #17   Oct 26, '16, 10:21 pm Sy Noe Senior Member   Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by Little Sheep If these statistics are true, they will plummet after a generation of people welcome gay human beings fully into their hearts and lives and public institutions. That day can't come too soon for me. For me either. And I'm far far removed from being considered of the younger generation but it does seem today's youth are already largely welcoming of our gay, bi, and trans community brothers and sisters into their hearts and lives and society more than any previous generation has. Today's younger generation gives me great hope in this regard for our American future. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #18   Oct 27, '16, 12:18 am zamyrabyrd Regular Member   Join Date: September 25, 2014 Posts: 1,073 Religion: Catholic Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe For me either. And I'm far far removed from being considered of the younger generation but it does seem today's youth are already largely welcoming of our gay, bi, and trans community brothers and sisters into their hearts and lives and society more than any previous generation has. Today's younger generation gives me great hope in this regard for our American future. I'll start from "trans community brothers and sisters". If gender dysphoria is considered a mental disorder, wouldn't telling the truth be a kinder approach? Just because "trans" is coming out of the closet, doesn't mean that it is right or healthy. I really don't know what "bi-sexuality" is supposed to be or why we should embrace it. As for the "younger generation" damage is already being done presenting unhealthy lifestyles and choices as normal. Gender uncertainty in the past was treated by encouraging the person to accept biological realities. It is no surprise that drug use is higher among this group as are STD's, alcoholism and suicide, that latter very high among "trans". The burden of acceptance for groups to be accepted into the mainstream is on them. They must prove they are no threat, that they don't have an agenda (such as destroying conventional morality and mores such as the institution of marriage). So far their record has been dismal. In the beginning it was not criminalizing consenting adults who just want to live their own lives, but now it has moved way past that. Businesses have been forced to close because they will not participate in "gay marriages". Free speech has been throttled all over the Western world. It has not been a positive development at all. Children are being deprived of mothers and fathers. Time may come and people wake up to this movement's serious health threat as happened with smoking. I subscribe to the saying "Don't take down a wall before you know why it was put up". Although it may have hurt certain individuals, the larger hygiene of society was protected by proscriptions against sodomy and everything having to do with it. Russia with all its faults got it right when prohibiting same sex propaganda in schools and so forth.   #19   Oct 27, '16, 1:44 am Rosebud77 Veteran Member   Join Date: February 7, 2013 Posts: 10,030 Religion: Catholic Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe For me either. And I'm far far removed from being considered of the younger generation but it does seem today's youth are already largely welcoming of our gay, bi, and trans community brothers and sisters into their hearts and lives and society more than any previous generation has. Today's younger generation gives me great hope in this regard for our American future. if only they could live without the tyranny they are exerting. That is not the way to be welcomed into "hearts and lives and society." With businesses being forced to shut down and , yes, discriminated against, for being Christian? Chicken and egg.   #20   Oct 27, '16, 5:02 am Seamus L Senior Member   Join Date: November 22, 2007 Posts: 8,097 Religion: Catholic Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates God allows us to sin, but he never allows us to be happy in our sins.   #21   Oct 27, '16, 5:32 am J_Peterson Regular Member   Join Date: April 7, 2012 Posts: 3,846 Religion: Catholic Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by JSAD Aren't they already accepted? You mean more like forced down our throats to like it..whether we want to or not? That doesn't sound like acceptance to me.   #22   Oct 27, '16, 5:48 am exnihilo Regular Member   Join Date: June 13, 2011 Posts: 4,735 Religion: Catholic Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by Dwyer Interesting statistics given that the LGB lifestyle is now accepted by the MSM and Federal and state and local government. All the data on the homosexual lifestyle clearly shows it is deeply unhappy and unsafe. It is bad for you mentally, spiritually, and physically. The government bans even mentioning tobacco because it is bad for your health while at the same time promoting homosexuality. We live in a very twisted, evil time. __________________ We fear men so much, because we fear God so little. One fear cures another. When man's terror scares you, turn your thoughts to the wrath of God. — GK Chesterton   #23   Oct 27, '16, 6:19 am mikekle Veteran Member   Join Date: August 3, 2012 Posts: 10,477 Religion: raised catholic Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by exnihilo All the data on the homosexual lifestyle clearly shows it is deeply unhappy and unsafe. It is bad for you mentally, spiritually, and physically. The government bans even mentioning tobacco because it is bad for your health while at the same time promoting homosexuality. We live in a very twisted, evil time. Sadly, its not about safety, its more about whats popular right now, they may ban talking about tobacco, but I can still go to any store and buy as much tobacco as I like, even multiple times per day, oddly though, the FDA and DEA are currently trying desperately to make other new drugs illegal due to their health and safety concerns...does this make any sense at all? LOL Since homosexuality is 'popular' right now, it gets a pass, just like tobacco.   #24   Oct 27, '16, 6:42 am signit Regular Member   Join Date: October 26, 2006 Posts: 1,523 Religion: Catholic Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by Little Sheep If these statistics are true, they will plummet after a generation of people welcome gay human beings fully into their hearts and lives and public institutions. That day can't come too soon for me. I'm sure that anti-LGBT discrimination by others at least partly accounts for the correlation. Where LGBT can get fired on the spot from their jobs, where LGBT youth get kicked out by their families, well of course they're going to be more likely to have problems. Quote: Originally Posted by Bruised Reed What is your definition or understanding of "accepted"? People who are LGBT have gained some rights and visibility but they can still be fired just for their orientation, they are still ostracized by family and so-called friends, and if they aren't out they often hear those family and friends talk about LGBT people in unkind terms. The only message they may hear from their faith community is that they are going to hell. They are told they should just kill themselves; I have witnessed this. Hearing about it anecdotally is horrific. It is so much worse seeing it or hearing it "live." I've witnessed it, too. I'm not referring to the Christian who doesn't want to bake a cake for them; I'm referring to the young male peer culture I experienced, with the most vile and vulgar anti-LGBT taunts and chants. Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe For me either. And I'm far far removed from being considered of the younger generation but it does seem today's youth are already largely welcoming of our gay, bi, and trans community brothers and sisters into their hearts and lives and society more than any previous generation has. Today's younger generation gives me great hope in this regard for our American future. So if young adults now have progressed beyond that sort of thing, I see that as a good thing.   #25   Oct 27, '16, 6:47 am Roselle Regular Member   Join Date: December 24, 2010 Posts: 854 Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates I've heard that before, in particular with the disease AIDS. It has been written I've read and seeing in videos that in the early days AIDS was called GRID. GRID stands for gay related immune deficiency. It was a disease were gay men had their immune system weakened. The theory was believed that recreational drugs were responsible for the weekend immune system, resulting in what was called GRID. As can be imagined, and I think rightfully so, gay activists were unhappy with having a disease named sole for gay people. When the theory came up that a virus might be responsible for gay men's immune systems to be weakened, many jumped onto that theory as being more expectable. Sadly, the first AIDS "cure" called AZT was a toxic chemical originally designed as a cancer chemotherapy drug. It isn't controversial to say that AZT was not a cure for AIDS. Many news articles have been written about this error. The controversial part is that AZT was a toxic deadly treatment. It was largely discontinued in the middle 90s. . One of the reasons often sighted for why drugs are more frequently used in the gay community is that the drugs increase sexual activity. Meth is one drug sometimes mentioned about increasing sex drive. HULU has a video on the topic of gay men, interviewing gay men about using Meth for increased sexual desire. Another sex enhancing drug used in the gay community is called Amyl Nitrate, AKA Poppers. Poppers were in the news recently. A powerful, married UK politician was found to be asking a male prostitute to bring Poppers to the party. That can be read about here: "Married MP Keith Vaz tells prostitutes in his flat: 'Bring poppers' ... 'We need to get this party started'" http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-tells-8763805 A video that I enjoyed was this interview of reporter Neville Hodgkinson formerly of the UK Times. He discusses drug use in the gay community, and the disease theory associated with it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06RBQ7FYQQA   #26   Oct 27, '16, 6:57 am Michael Mayo Regular Member   Join Date: March 7, 2012 Posts: 4,903 Religion: Catholic Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by ucfengr For most of human history, gender issues were resolved. It was understood that the norm was men being attracted to women and women being attracted to women. It's only recently that this norm has been questioned. Not resolved, repressed. __________________ “Lord, I have let myself be deceived; in a thousand ways I have shunned your love, yet here I am once more, to renew my covenant with you. I need you. Save me once again, Lord, take me once more into your redeeming embrace”. - Pope Francis   #27   Oct 27, '16, 8:04 am zamyrabyrd Regular Member   Join Date: September 25, 2014 Posts: 1,073 Religion: Catholic Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by Roselle I've heard that before, in particular with the disease AIDS. It has been written I've read and seeing in videos that in the early days AIDS was called GRID. GRID stands for gay related immune deficiency. It was a disease were gay men had their immune system weakened. The theory was believed that recreational drugs were responsible for the weekend immune system, resulting in what was called GRID. I never heard of GRID and in fact went through 3 pages of Google without that appearing in relation to HIV. If you really want to go back in time, "gay" was not even used to describe homosexuals. So why GRID would be used to describe HIV in its early days, I can't imagine. Edit: OK I just read it was a proposed name in 1982, but it seems like it didn't catch on.   #28   Oct 27, '16, 8:13 am zamyrabyrd Regular Member   Join Date: September 25, 2014 Posts: 1,073 Religion: Catholic Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by Michael Mayo Originally Posted by ucfengr View Post For most of human history, gender issues were resolved. It was understood that the norm was men being attracted to women and women being attracted to women. It's only recently that this norm has been questioned. Not resolved, repressed. Er, maybe some backtracking or editing is in order. The main function of biological differences is reproduction.   #29   Oct 27, '16, 8:24 am edwest2 Forum Elder   Join Date: May 26, 2007 Posts: 26,861 Religion: Catholic Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by ucfengr For most of human history, gender issues were resolved. It was understood that the norm was men being attracted to women and women being attracted to women. It's only recently that this norm has been questioned. The norm has been the norm since human beings existed. There is only one way to get the next generation of human beings. The evidence exists in the functional capacity of men and women only to reproduce. Ed   #30   Oct 27, '16, 8:52 am zz912 Senior Member   Join Date: September 11, 2009 Posts: 7,484 Religion: Catholic Since 4/3/10 Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by Regular Atheist Which means there is no stigma attached to being LGBT on any level anymore. We still live in a society that undoubtedly favours cisgender heterosexual people and their families over any other people or arrangement. Quit with the made up words. Heterosexuality is normal, and homosexuality is intrinsically disordered. No amount of pretending otherwise changes that. Depression, drug abuse, medical issues and other problems will follow when you live a disordered life. Quote: Originally Posted by Little Sheep If these statistics are true, they will plummet after a generation of people welcome gay human beings fully into their hearts and lives and public institutions. That day can't come too soon for me. Wishful thinking. Participating in sin does not produce good outcomes. Quote: Originally Posted by Bruised Reed Which came first: being LGBT or abusing drugs including alcohol? It's known that people who identify as LGBT have more health problems, too. Why? Because if they inform their doctor they risk discrimination; they risk health concerns being dismissed. Consider how Catholics, specifically women, are treated when they say no to contraception. I've read many stories on CAF of doctors behaving unethically or unkindly towards their Catholic patients. Is it okay for LGBT people to experience the same thing? Should the gay man in a committed relationship be denied adequate care and a straight man who is living with his girlfriend given better care? You're just making excuses, baseless ones at that. Doctors come across patients of every stripe and behavior. They don't judge patients, they work to heal them. But they can't heal them when they won't stop abusing their bodies. Drug addicts come in to the ER, the hospital tends to their illness as best they can, and when the addict goes back out, they go right back to getting high. Same with homosexuals, especially men. They abuse their bodily organs in ways they weren't designed for. And this harms their body greatly. Doctors can work to try and heal this damage, but can't fix something if the patient goes right back out and abuses their organs again.      Oct 27, '16, 8:57 am J_Peterson Regular Member   Join Date: April 7, 2012 Posts: 3,846 Religion: Catholic Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by zz912 Quit with the made up words. Every word is made up. If there were no humans there would be no words.   #32   Oct 27, '16, 12:18 pm MacBP Regular Member   Join Date: February 24, 2012 Posts: 752 Religion: Catholic Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by Bruised Reed No, they don't. Especially if they are white and/ or male. Not even close. Christianity is social currency, with a few exceptions which is what you are talking about. Few. Curious when you last heard of someone hammering a Catholic with "kill your self." I think that would entirely depend on location, wouldn't it? I wouldn't doubt that there are families, social circles, and locations in the US where identifying as part of LGBTQ spectrum brings with it all sorts of negative consequences. But Christianity as social currency? You know maybe things are different in Canada, but outside of very specific occasions I can't remember my Catholicism as being anything other than a social hindrance. Certainly when it comes to graduate school, professional school, or your more prestigious jobs I would much, much rather identify as gay than Catholic. I would go as far as arguing that in the right circles, an atypical sexual orientation is it's own form of social capital.   #33   Oct 27, '16, 12:25 pm MacBP Regular Member   Join Date: February 24, 2012 Posts: 752 Religion: Catholic Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates With respect to the report, the idea that the LGBTQ spectrum has a higher-than average rate of drug abuse proves... well... that people in the LGBTQ specrum have a higher-than-average rate of drug abuse. It certainly does not allow us to make any inferences about causation. This does not prove that individuals in the LGBTQ spectrum are so oppressed that they need drugs to escape their bigoted reality. It does not prove that those individuals along the LGBTQ spectrum are somehow innately disposed to abusing drugs. It doesn't prove anything about homophobia, or LBTQ culture... or anything. It's a correlation and it needs to be treated as such. Whatever the cause, people within the LGBTQ spectrum do have health outcomes that are worse than the population at large. That's a public health issue, and one that people with traditional views about sexual morality and progressive views can (or at least should) agree to address.   #34   Oct 27, '16, 12:40 pm lmachine Regular Member   Join Date: March 8, 2016 Posts: 1,999 Religion: Catholic Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by ucfengr We also live in a society where made up words like "cisgender" are accepted by our elites as having an actual meaning, as if men sexually attracted to women or women sexually attracted to men are some kind of strange deviation. "Cisgender" has nothing to do with sexual orientation.   #35   Oct 27, '16, 12:42 pm lmachine Regular Member   Join Date: March 8, 2016 Posts: 1,999 Religion: Catholic Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe For me either. And I'm far far removed from being considered of the younger generation but it does seem today's youth are already largely welcoming of our gay, bi, and trans community brothers and sisters into their hearts and lives and society more than any previous generation has. Today's younger generation gives me great hope in this regard for our American future. It's still a rough road but things are definitely getting better. The kids are alright.   #36   Oct 27, '16, 12:44 pm edwest2 Forum Elder   Join Date: May 26, 2007 Posts: 26,861 Religion: Catholic Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by MacBP With respect to the report, the idea that the LGBTQ spectrum has a higher-than average rate of drug abuse proves... well... that people in the LGBTQ specrum have a higher-than-average rate of drug abuse. It certainly does not allow us to make any inferences about causation. This does not prove that individuals in the LGBTQ spectrum are so oppressed that they need drugs to escape their bigoted reality. It does not prove that those individuals along the LGBTQ spectrum are somehow innately disposed to abusing drugs. It doesn't prove anything about homophobia, or LBTQ culture... or anything. It's a correlation and it needs to be treated as such. Whatever the cause, people within the LGBTQ spectrum do have health outcomes that are worse than the population at large. That's a public health issue, and one that people with traditional views about sexual morality and progressive views can (or at least should) agree to address. "progressive views" are ill-defined. There is no one reference that defines, in detail, what progressive views are. And who gets to define them? Regarding public health. After working at a major hospital for nearly 10 years, there was no "what is your sexual orientation" question, ever. There was discussion, evaluation and a course of treatment. That's it. I never asked an ER patient about their orientation, and I worked with LGBT persons when it wasn't a 'shove it down your throat' issue. We got along. What was private was private. Now? Privacy has been abandoned. I don't understand why a photo of "the first bi-sexual woman" to be promoted to some position is in an LGBT publication. It's unnecessary. I don't know or care if the person standing in line in front of me has this or that sexual orientation. Until recently, it's become an issue not because of me but because certain people calling names at all who fall outside of the attempts to establish different thinking in people. My thinking hasn't changed. People who need treatment get treatment. Ed Last edited by edwest2; Oct 27, '16 at 12:55 pm.   #37   Oct 27, '16, 1:24 pm ucfengr Regular Member   Join Date: July 25, 2014 Posts: 4,142 Religion: Catholic Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by lmachine "Cisgender" has nothing to do with sexual orientation. Sure it is. It's a word used to describe biologically normal people who engage in biologically normal sexual activity, which I understand from TV and the movies to be a strange sexual subculture that only a very few people belong to.   #38   Oct 27, '16, 1:30 pm Lou2U Regular Member   Join Date: October 22, 2014 Posts: 1,201 Religion: Agnostic Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by MacBP With respect to the report, the idea that the LGBTQ spectrum has a higher-than average rate of drug abuse proves... well... that people in the LGBTQ specrum have a higher-than-average rate of drug abuse. It certainly does not allow us to make any inferences about causation. This does not prove that individuals in the LGBTQ spectrum are so oppressed that they need drugs to escape their bigoted reality. It does not prove that those individuals along the LGBTQ spectrum are somehow innately disposed to abusing drugs. It doesn't prove anything about homophobia, or LBTQ culture... or anything. It's a correlation and it needs to be treated as such. Right. Correlation isn't causation. Lou   #39   Oct 27, '16, 1:58 pm edwest2 Forum Elder   Join Date: May 26, 2007 Posts: 26,861 Religion: Catholic Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by ucfengr Sure it is. It's a word used to describe biologically normal people who engage in biologically normal sexual activity, which I understand from TV and the movies to be a strange sexual subculture that only a very few people belong to. Stay away from most TV and movies. Adding LGBT characters is the ongoing goal and those strange "biologically normal" people? What's up with that Ed   #40   Oct 27, '16, 2:16 pm Michael Mayo Regular Member   Join Date: March 7, 2012 Posts: 4,903 Religion: Catholic Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by edwest2 The norm has been the norm since human beings existed. There is only one way to get the next generation of human beings. The evidence exists in the functional capacity of men and women only to reproduce. Ed I don't think the norm is being questioned. What is being questioned is tolerance of the exceptions to the norm. __________________ “Lord, I have let myself be deceived; in a thousand ways I have shunned your love, yet here I am once more, to renew my covenant with you. I need you. Save me once again, Lord, take me once more into your redeeming embrace”. - Pope Francis   #41   Oct 27, '16, 2:32 pm edwest2 Forum Elder   Join Date: May 26, 2007 Posts: 26,861 Religion: Catholic Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by Michael Mayo I don't think the norm is being questioned. What is being questioned is tolerance of the exceptions to the norm. Speaking generally: Who decides when and what kind of sexual activity you engage in? The State? No, you do. No one needs anyone's permission. But on a Catholic forum, we are required to proclaim what is true. It seems 'self-control' for all orientations is a non-concept. Ed   #42   Oct 27, '16, 3:44 pm Little Sheep Regular Member   Join Date: January 4, 2016 Posts: 1,766 Religion: Episcopalian Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe For me either. And I'm far far removed from being considered of the younger generation but it does seem today's youth are already largely welcoming of our gay, bi, and trans community brothers and sisters into their hearts and lives and society more than any previous generation has. Today's younger generation gives me great hope in this regard for our American future. I feel the same way, friend, about the younger generations. My teenaged sons and most of their friends have a difficult time even understanding why some people consider homosexuality to be a negative issue. To them, it's clearly a basic reality for a small slice of humanity - a space on the spectrum of human sexuality, but not a space that harms anyone.   #43   Oct 27, '16, 4:30 pm Michael Mayo Regular Member   Join Date: March 7, 2012 Posts: 4,903 Religion: Catholic Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by edwest2 Speaking generally: Who decides when and what kind of sexual activity you engage in? The State? No, you do. No one needs anyone's permission. But on a Catholic forum, we are required to proclaim what is true. It seems 'self-control' for all orientations is a non-concept. Ed And be ready for resistance when it comes to telling others how we think they should live. __________________ “Lord, I have let myself be deceived; in a thousand ways I have shunned your love, yet here I am once more, to renew my covenant with you. I need you. Save me once again, Lord, take me once more into your redeeming embrace”. - Pope Francis   #44   Oct 28, '16, 6:50 am zz912 Senior Member   Join Date: September 11, 2009 Posts: 7,484 Religion: Catholic Since 4/3/10 Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by MacBP Whatever the cause, people within the LGBTQ spectrum do have health outcomes that are worse than the population at large. That's a public health issue, and one that people with traditional views about sexual morality and progressive views can (or at least should) agree to address. That's the problem. If you can't truthfully admit the problem and what is causing it, you can't address or fix the problem. Christians rightly acknowledge that the medical issues stem from or are exacerbated by the sinful lifestyle. Leftists refuse to acknowledge this, and insist that the medical issues are caused by other people who don't approve of these sinful lifestyles. So the two sides can't agree to address the problem since they see the cause of it being so vastly different. Each cause requires an entirely different response. Quote: Originally Posted by lmachine It's still a rough road but things are definitely getting better. The kids are alright. This generation of parents have utterly failed in every respect to teach the next generation right from wrong, and the truths of God. It is unsurprising that they are welcoming and accepting of such sin. The consequences for it will be dire. Quote: Originally Posted by Michael Mayo I don't think the norm is being questioned. What is being questioned is tolerance of the exceptions to the norm. Few things are as intolerant as the "tolerant" left.... Quote: Originally Posted by Little Sheep I feel the same way, friend, about the younger generations. My teenaged sons and most of their friends have a difficult time even understanding why some people consider homosexuality to be a negative issue. To them, it's clearly a basic reality for a small slice of humanity - a space on the spectrum of human sexuality, but not a space that harms anyone. Again more evidence of how little the next generation even knows or understands of God. It is a huge indictment upon us as a society that we have failed them so.   #45   Oct 28, '16, 7:00 am zamyrabyrd Regular Member   Join Date: September 25, 2014 Posts: 1,073 Religion: Catholic Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by zz912 That's the problem. If you can't truthfully admit the problem and what is causing it, you can't address or fix the problem. Christians rightly acknowledge that the medical issues stem from or are exacerbated by the sinful lifestyle. Leftists refuse to acknowledge this, and insist that the medical issues are caused by other people who don't approve of these sinful lifestyles. So the two sides can't agree to address the problem since they see the cause of it being so vastly different. Each cause requires an entirely different response. This generation of parents have utterly failed in every respect to teach the next generation right from wrong, and the truths of God. It is unsurprising that they are welcoming and accepting of such sin. The consequences for it will be dire. Few things are as intolerant as the "tolerant" left... Again more evidence of how little the next generation even knows or understands of God. It is a huge indictment upon us as a society that we have failed them so. Agree 100%     Oct 28, '16, 8:32 am edwest2 Forum Elder   Join Date: May 26, 2007 Posts: 26,861 Religion: Catholic Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by Michael Mayo And be ready for resistance when it comes to telling others how we think they should live. As I said - no one needs anyone's permission to do what they want. As far as the we part, we're following sound Catholic teaching. And Catholics have free will as well. A priest won't be pounding on your door if you - referring to no one in particular - miss Mass on Sunday. The Church clearly explains the issues and we are called to spread the truth. And there will always be resistance regarding certain sexual activities that include all orientations. Ed   #47   Oct 28, '16, 8:42 am Upgrade25 Regular Member   Join Date: November 5, 2015 Posts: 912 Religion: Latin Catholic Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates I was harassed by a former friend(until I told him to shut up) about not accepting the whole gender soup ********. I've dealt with SSA before, and it. Is. Temporary. People who try to say whatever is cool, or, it doesn't harm anyone, are infected with relativism. __________________ Domine Iesu Christe, Filii Dei, miserere me, peccatoris.   #48   Oct 28, '16, 8:43 am edwest2 Forum Elder   Join Date: May 26, 2007 Posts: 26,861 Religion: Catholic Re: Report: Lesbian, Gay and Bi Adults Have Higher Drug Abuse Rates Quote: Originally Posted by zz912 That's the problem. If you can't truthfully admit the problem and what is causing it, you can't address or fix the problem. Christians rightly acknowledge that the medical issues stem from or are exacerbated by the sinful lifestyle. Leftists refuse to acknowledge this, and insist that the medical issues are caused by other people who don't approve of these sinful lifestyles. So the two sides can't agree to address the problem since they see the cause of it being so vastly different. Each cause requires an entirely different response. This generation of parents have utterly failed in every respect to teach the next generation right from wrong, and the truths of God. It is unsurprising that they are welcoming and accepting of such sin. The consequences for it will be dire. Few things are as intolerant as the "tolerant" left.... Again more evidence of how little the next generation even knows or understands of God. It is a huge indictment upon us as a society that we have failed them so. Regarding your last sentence. It is an indictment of all media that provide incorrect information about LGBT issues and promotes LGBT sexual activities as normative and good. It is an indictment of public schools that rightly condemn bullying, in all its forms, but who also promote LGBT sexual behavior as good and normative. "we," meaning Christians in general, are not marketing the LGBT brand as good and healthy. And when the CDC provides good data about what's going on, it's doing what it should be doing. Yes, we are being lied to, again. And our compassion is being called into question, again. The media can and is lying to the American people. That causes confusion, and in too many cases, acceptance of their message regarding what I've mentioned as true and accurate. Ed