War Talk Returns to Russian TV as U.S. Ties Hit Deep Freeze

Oct 15, '16, 11:27 am

Dwyer Regular Member Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic

War Talk Returns to Russian TV as U.S. Ties Hit Deep Freeze Quote: This time, the ramped-up rhetoric follows the collapse of cease-fire efforts in Syria. As the U.S. and Russia accused each other of sinking diplomacy, Moscow increased its military presence in the Mediterranean and Baltic regions, and suspended a nuclear non-proliferation treaty. A prime-time news program warned that the U.S. wants to provoke a conflict. “Offensive behavior toward Russia has a nuclear dimension,” Russian state TV presenter Dmitry Kiselyov said in his “Vesti Nedelyi” program on Sunday. “Moscow would react with nerves of iron to a Plan B,” he said, referring to any possible U.S. military strike in Syria. Russia deployed the S-300 anti-aircraft missile system to Syria and reinforced its presence by sending three missile ships to the Mediterranean. It confirmed Western media reports it’s stationed Iskander missiles in the Kaliningrad exclave sandwiched between NATO members Poland and Lithuania. Poland’s defense minister said the action caused the “highest concern.” http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...t-cold-war-low __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)

#2   Oct 15, '16, 11:39 am

Roselle Regular Member Join Date: December 24, 2010 Posts: 854

Re: War Talk Returns to Russian TV as U.S. Ties Hit Deep Freeze I've read that before in the past, Russians hear and are more fearful of America than we hear negatives from Russia. Of course there is some negatives about Russia mentioned, but conflict with isn't something mentioned.

#3   Oct 15, '16, 12:31 pm

GEddie Forum Elder Book Club Member Join Date: March 18, 2009 Posts: 89,323 Religion: Catholic

Re: War Talk Returns to Russian TV as U.S. Ties Hit Deep Freeze We desperately need a leadership that will make peace with them. Sadly, neither HRC nor Trump, is it. ICXC NIKA

#4   Oct 15, '16, 1:29 pm

Michael Mayo Regular Member Join Date: March 7, 2012 Posts: 4,902 Religion: Catholic

Re: War Talk Returns to Russian TV as U.S. Ties Hit Deep Freeze Quote: Originally Posted by GEddie We desperately need a leadership that will make peace with them. Sadly, neither HRC nor Trump, is it. ICXC NIKA They support Bashar al-Assad. How would you make peace with them? __________________ “Lord, I have let myself be deceived; in a thousand ways I have shunned your love, yet here I am once more, to renew my covenant with you. I need you. Save me once again, Lord, take me once more into your redeeming embrace”. - Pope Francis

#5   Oct 15, '16, 2:04 pm

GEddie Forum Elder Book Club Member Join Date: March 18, 2009 Posts: 89,323 Religion: Catholic

Re: War Talk Returns to Russian TV as U.S. Ties Hit Deep Freeze Quote: Originally Posted by Michael Mayo They support Bashar al-Assad. How would you make peace with them? Assad should not be our concern. Let Bibi deal with him. The world is full of very nasty leaderships, but opposing them should not be a matter for great-power conflicts. ICXC NIKA

#6   Oct 15, '16, 2:20 pm

Seamus L Senior Member Join Date: November 22, 2007 Posts: 8,092 Religion: Catholic

Re: War Talk Returns to Russian TV as U.S. Ties Hit Deep Freeze Most Christians in the region support Assad as well, which means Russia is on the right side.

#7   Oct 15, '16, 3:03 pm

Monte RCMS Forum Master Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,658 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: War Talk Returns to Russian TV as U.S. Ties Hit Deep Freeze Quote: Originally Posted by GEddie We desperately need a leadership that will make peace with them. Sadly, neither HRC nor Trump, is it. ICXC NIKA Based on "Clinton Cash" ... read the book ... certainly HRC offers no leadership. She has a 30-year history of corruption. There is also "The Clintons' War on Women". And then there is a new book out by Dolly Kyle. Check on Amazon. Listen to Trump's words ... on YouTube ... On one of the Fox Business programs, they dumped on Trump for a long time ... saying he discussed the women for a half hour ... but I went and checked ... it was a maximum of four minutes. So, 95% of Trump's talk was about the issues. Fox outright lied. This war talk is being fabricated. __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth.

#8   Oct 15, '16, 3:22 pm

JharekCarnelian Forum Elder Join Date: April 14, 2008 Posts: 30,495 Religion: Catholic

Re: War Talk Returns to Russian TV as U.S. Ties Hit Deep Freeze Quote: Originally Posted by Monte RCMS Based on "Clinton Cash" ... read the book ... certainly HRC offers no leadership. She has a 30-year history of corruption. There is also "The Clintons' War on Women". And then there is a new book out by Dolly Kyle. Check on Amazon. Listen to Trump's words ... on YouTube ... On one of the Fox Business programs, they dumped on Trump for a long time ... saying he discussed the women for a half hour ... but I went and checked ... it was a maximum of four minutes. So, 95% of Trump's talk was about the issues. Fox outright lied. This war talk is being fabricated. Ah yes, all treads must be dragged around to the Donald at the moment, I forgot that. It will be good when the election ends there...

#9   Oct 15, '16, 3:29 pm

Convert in 99 Senior Member Join Date: April 20, 2007 Posts: 8,587 Religion: Catholic

Re: War Talk Returns to Russian TV as U.S. Ties Hit Deep Freeze Quote: Originally Posted by Monte RCMS Based on "Clinton Cash" ... read the book ... certainly HRC offers no leadership. She has a 30-year history of corruption. There is also "The Clintons' War on Women". And then there is a new book out by Dolly Kyle. Check on Amazon. Listen to Trump's words ... on YouTube ... On one of the Fox Business programs, they dumped on Trump for a long time ... saying he discussed the women for a half hour ... but I went and checked ... it was a maximum of four minutes. So, 95% of Trump's talk was about the issues. Fox outright lied. This war talk is being fabricated. What on earth does this have to do with Trump? I promise you this war talk isn't being fabricated. To say that is just a slap in the face to our US troops in preparation (and those already overseas) and all those going through this crisis world-wide. Thousands and thousands of victims. War is everywhere right now. Russia is only a piece of the puzzle, a big piece, but one nonetheless. __________________ I side with Pope Francis!

#10   Oct 15, '16, 3:32 pm

Convert in 99 Senior Member Join Date: April 20, 2007 Posts: 8,587 Religion: Catholic

Re: War Talk Returns to Russian TV as U.S. Ties Hit Deep Freeze Quote: Originally Posted by JharekCarnelian Ah yes, all treads must be dragged around to the Donald at the moment, I forgot that. It will be good when the election ends there... I know right? But it won't end with the election. If Hillary wins it will be four to eight years of blaming us for her being in office. __________________ I side with Pope Francis!

#11   Oct 15, '16, 3:44 pm

JharekCarnelian Forum Elder Join Date: April 14, 2008 Posts: 30,495 Religion: Catholic

Re: War Talk Returns to Russian TV as U.S. Ties Hit Deep Freeze Definitely won't be my fault , I am an Irish citizen, mind you our polticians are not so entertaining as Trump nowadays. Back on topic, there is a plethora of these articles about Russia of late that are really quite trivial.

#12   Oct 15, '16, 3:44 pm

Michael Mayo Regular Member Join Date: March 7, 2012 Posts: 4,902 Religion: Catholic

Re: War Talk Returns to Russian TV as U.S. Ties Hit Deep Freeze Quote: Originally Posted by Seamus L Most Christians in the region support Assad as well, which means Russia is on the right side. If you think Assad is the right side. I am speechless. __________________ “Lord, I have let myself be deceived; in a thousand ways I have shunned your love, yet here I am once more, to renew my covenant with you. I need you. Save me once again, Lord, take me once more into your redeeming embrace”. - Pope Francis

#13   Oct 15, '16, 3:57 pm

JharekCarnelian Forum Elder Join Date: April 14, 2008 Posts: 30,495 Religion: Catholic

Re: War Talk Returns to Russian TV as U.S. Ties Hit Deep Freeze Quote: Originally Posted by Michael Mayo If you think Assad is the right side. I am speechless. Let me add to your period of speech deprivation then. I don't say he is the best choice however, but rather the least worst.

#14   Oct 15, '16, 4:52 pm

JW55 Regular Member Join Date: August 24, 2008 Posts: 790 Religion: Catholic

Re: War Talk Returns to Russian TV as U.S. Ties Hit Deep Freeze Quote: Originally Posted by Seamus L Most Christians in the region support Assad as well, which means Russia is on the right side. I believe they do. Assad is not a nice guy, but things were much better for Christians in the region with him than what they are or will be with ISIS or similar groups, Christians will have no rights at all. We share a common enemy with the Russians in the Middle East. Unfortunately, we are not interested in a cooperative arrangement with them to combat this menace. Oh, we claim we are making efforts but it is readily clear that is not the case.

#15   Oct 16, '16, 4:37 am

Monte RCMS Forum Master Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,658 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: War Talk Returns to Russian TV as U.S. Ties Hit Deep Freeze Quote: Originally Posted by Convert in 99 What on earth does this have to do with Trump? I promise you this war talk isn't being fabricated. To say that is just a slap in the face to our US troops in preparation (and those already overseas) and all those going through this crisis world-wide. Thousands and thousands of victims. War is everywhere right now. Russia is only a piece of the puzzle, a big piece, but one nonetheless. What does this have to do with Trump? Well, we are going to have an election on November 8, 2016 to decide, among other things, who will be the Commander In Chief of the U.S. military and who will pick the new Secretary of State ... among other things. So, we need to decide who has the most common sense, based on their lifetiime of experience. Hillary is a career politician. Trump only entered politics in June of 2015 ... but in that amount of time defeated 16 career politicians with the largest vote totals EVER. [Except for Dr. Ben Carson who has a lifetime of brain surgery and a lot of writing and public speaking.] Trump has identified a bunch of specific issues. The voters of the United States have to decide how important these issues are. OR the voters of the United States may decide that since Hillary is a woman and has promised free college degrees, that they prefer to vote for Hillary. Go back to the basic issues. Let us not be distracted by accusations that all of a sudden come out of nowhere just a few days before a major national election. Trump ALWAYS talks about the basic issues: Keep visualizing the porous border, no more NRA. and much higher taxes. 1) Supreme Court Justices ... left wing appointees would permanently tilt the United States to the left. 2) Southern Border is porous ... right now there is no one stopping the flood of undocumented people AND HEROIN entering the United States. Hillary believes in open borders. Her good friend and supporter, George Soros is a firm supporter of open borders. Trump has been endorsed by Border Patrol and ICE. Immigration and Customs Enforcement 3) The U. S. tax structure is the worst in the developed world. High tax rates discourage investment in jobs and facilities. 4) Veterans are getting terrible treatment from the Veterans Administration. Trump has a many years record and reputation of actively supporting veterans. 5) U.S. Foreign Policy is a disaster. [Most recent example: $400 $1200+ MILLION in CASH flown to Iran under conditions of secrecy. If it was legitimate, they would do an electronic transfer. And that's just the latest.] 6) Radical Islamic Terrorism is uncontested. 7) Second Amendment. Gun control only controls law abiding citizens. Inner city crime and gang crime and black-on-black crime is/are epidemic. Getting worse and worse. 8) The economy. Record numbers of people on food stamps. People forced into part-time work owing to restrictions by government controlled medical legislation. Make participation in government controlled medical to be optional: if you can find a better and/or cheaper plan then take it. 9) Restrictions on religion. Freedom of Worship instead of freedom of religion. Mandatory Islam lessons in schools [as now in places] [Example: Why should the Little Sisters of the Poor be forced to purchase contraception?] [Example: Why should someone who posted dissection of aborted babies be prosecuted? Remember David Daleiden.] ... read p37 0f the DNC platform. https://www.demconvention.com/wp-con...6-no-lines.pdf 10) Education: The United States ranks around 27th in math. WHY???? Cursive handwriting is being removed ! Education SHOULD be controlled by states and communities ... there should be NO Federal control over education. Trump encourages inner city charter schools. Especially for African American students to improve their educational results. Inner city graduation rates and reading performance are terrible. See "Con Job", below. 11) U.S. Military is not being kept up to date. Navy is behind in technology and numbers and readiness. Aircraft are kept going using parts from the boneyard instead of buying new stuff. Troops are not training enough. Focus is on social changes instead of on training. 12) Continued inner city collapse. In 1965, 24 percent of black infants were born to single mothers. In 2013, 72 percent of black infants were born to single mothers. Source: page 157, "Con Job" by Crystal Wright. "Con Job -- How Democrats Gave Us Crime, Sanctuary Cities, Abortion Profiteering, and Racial Division". Crystal Wright's Web site is www.conservativeblackchick.com Police are being targeted by Black Lives Matter and BLM leadership visits the White House and is entertained by the current President. George Soros puts up money for BLM. Chicago is only one example of inner city murder skyrocketing. 13) "Clinton Cash" ... How did Hillary Clinton, who was Secretary of State, turn a modest government salary into personal assets of around $300,000,000. Why did she steal furniture from the White House and have to return it? So, decide what is more important. These dozen or so issues discussed by a non-politician who built up a company with more than 20,000 employees and his own Boeing 757 airliner he uses for travel and a lifetime of anonymous philanthropy. OR free college from a career politician who has a history of doing nothing for 30 years. __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth. Last edited by Monte RCMS; Oct 16, '16 at 4:52 am.  Oct 16, '16, 4:42 am JharekCarnelian Forum Elder   Join Date: April 14, 2008 Posts: 30,495 Religion: Catholic Re: War Talk Returns to Russian TV as U.S. Ties Hit Deep Freeze Previous to supposedly only entering politics in 2015 Trump bought and sold politicians of course. If you keep insulting and trying to humiliate the Russians they will react in these ways, it is only natural. They are no more likely to respond well to constant insults and sneers than any other group of people anywhere else. Neither side is innocent when it comes to sabre rattling but the use of the Russians as a convenient 'supervillian' to call upon for America to virtue signal with does become quite tiresome.   #17   Oct 16, '16, 4:56 am Monte RCMS Forum Master   Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,658 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: War Talk Returns to Russian TV as U.S. Ties Hit Deep Freeze Quote: Originally Posted by JharekCarnelian Previous to supposedly only entering politics in 2015 Trump bought and sold politicians of course. If you keep insulting and trying to humiliate the Russians they will react in these ways, it is only natural. They are no more likely to respond well to constant insults and sneers than any other group of people anywhere else. Neither side is innocent when it comes to sabre rattling but the use of the Russians as a convenient 'supervillian' to call upon for America to virtue signal with does become quite tiresome. And you in the UK know this how? [Did you previously post that you have relatives who are Russian generals?] [Are you a disinterested Catholic?] [Are you a U.S. citizen?] In the U.S. tradition of free speech, if you feel you are insulted by us or by Americans in a bitter political election campaign with name-calling, you are free to insult us back. However, political insults, name calling and "sneers" are not a justificatiion for launching a nuclear war. However, if you ask around about foreign interference in American political affairs, you will find a long history ... going back to 1492 ... even earlier if you include the explorations by China and by Norway ... even though the United States has only existed since 1787. For example, a man named George Soros, a Hungarian, became a U.S. citizen and uses his billions of dollars to interfere to his heart's content. There is an Interpol warrant for his arrest for interfering in other countries. __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth. Last edited by Monte RCMS; Oct 16, '16 at 5:09 am.   #18   Oct 16, '16, 5:23 am JharekCarnelian Forum Elder   Join Date: April 14, 2008 Posts: 30,495 Religion: Catholic Re: War Talk Returns to Russian TV as U.S. Ties Hit Deep Freeze Quote: Originally Posted by Monte RCMS And you in the UK know this how? [Did you previously post that you have relatives who are Russian generals?] [Are you a U.S. citizen?] In the U.S. tradition of free speech, if you feel you are insulted by us or by Americans in a bitter political election campaign with name-calling, you are free to insult us back. However, political insults are not a justificatiion for launching a nuclear war. However, if you ask around about foreign interference in American political affairs, you will find a long history. For example, a man named George Soros, a Hungarian, became a U.S. citizen and uses his billions of dollars to interfere to his heart's content. There is an Interpol warrant for his arrest for interfering in other countries. I am married to a Russian and spent quite a bit of time living there. I also hold Russian citizenship myself. Yes, I have one relative who holds the rank of Major-General, which is the lowest general rank in the Russian forces. He is my wife's uncle. He is not particularly close to her however as they lived at opposite ends of Russia and she has met him only a few times in her life. Her family are largely career military so it is hardly surprising as her own grandfather retired one rank below that as a Colonel. He was notoriously outspoken and stubborn and would have likely progressed up the ranks several steps further if he had not had a habit of questioning official policies at times. Insults are for playgrounds, not for adults. Ribbing and mucking about is fine in daily life but it our political figures can not rise above the current need for one line 'zingers' and soundbites it becomes sad to watch. I find little point in them and the round of foolish and jejune insults emanating from either camp in the US election cycle is amusing in short bursts but ultimately tiresome. Not that the election cycle in the UK or Russia does not produce such silliness, all that varies is the style of insult and that is due to the different cultures in each place. Trump still has not reached the levels of one or two of the most outrageous Russian polticians and it doubtful he would as one or two of them are jaw droppingly tasteless. Russia by the way has an arrest warrant issued for Soros as well you should note, he is wanted tor investigation for fraud amongst other issues there. One final point, questioning the faith of other Catholics here contravenes forum rules and I would request you do not do it again.   #19   Oct 16, '16, 7:47 am GEddie Forum Elder Book Club Member   Join Date: March 18, 2009 Posts: 89,323 Religion: Catholic Re: War Talk Returns to Russian TV as U.S. Ties Hit Deep Freeze Quote: In the U.S. tradition of free speech, if you feel you are insulted by us or by Americans in a bitter political election campaign with name-calling, you are free to insult us back. But not everybody shares those traditions. Sadly, the world more resembles a seventh-grade locker room or an African savannah than a free-speech forum. A true leader would see that. ICXC NIKA   #20   Oct 16, '16, 7:50 am GEddie Forum Elder Book Club Member   Join Date: March 18, 2009 Posts: 89,323 Religion: Catholic Re: War Talk Returns to Russian TV as U.S. Ties Hit Deep Freeze Quote: However, if you ask around about foreign interference in American political affairs, you will find a long history ... going back to 1492 ... even earlier if you include the explorations by China and by Norway ... even though the United States has only existed since 1787. 1776. But before that really shouldn't count unless you are Native American. ICXC NIKA   #21   Oct 16, '16, 7:59 am JharekCarnelian Forum Elder   Join Date: April 14, 2008 Posts: 30,495 Religion: Catholic Re: War Talk Returns to Russian TV as U.S. Ties Hit Deep Freeze Quote: Originally Posted by GEddie But not everybody shares those traditions. Sadly, the world more resembles a seventh-grade locker room or an African savannah than a free-speech forum. A true leader would see that. ICXC NIKA I would view using free speech merely to hurl insults as devaluing the concept, I would support the right of someone to do it if they wish to but I would also say they need to be aware doing so has consequences.   #22   Oct 16, '16, 9:57 am ProVobis Forum Elder   Join Date: January 26, 2008 Posts: 43,226 Religion: Catholic Re: War Talk Returns to Russian TV as U.S. Ties Hit Deep Freeze Quote: Originally Posted by JharekCarnelian Ah yes, all treads must be dragged around to the Donald at the moment, I forgot that. It will be good when the election ends there... It never ends here. They already have Pence running in 2020.   #23   Oct 16, '16, 11:26 am Monte RCMS Forum Master   Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,658 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: War Talk Returns to Russian TV as U.S. Ties Hit Deep Freeze Quote: Originally Posted by GEddie 1776. But before that really shouldn't count unless you are Native American. ICXC NIKA Constitution ... September 17, 1787 George Washington ... April 30, 1789 President Washington advised avoiding foreign entanglements. So, President Jefferson held out until 1805 or thereabouts. __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth. Last edited by Monte RCMS; Oct 16, '16 at 11:40 am.   #24   Oct 16, '16, 9:44 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,877 Religion: Catholic Re: War Talk Returns to Russian TV as U.S. Ties Hit Deep Freeze Quote: Originally Posted by GEddie We desperately need a leadership that will make peace with them. Sadly, neither HRC nor Trump, is it. ICXC NIKA I think there is a better chance with Trump than with HRC. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139