Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately

Oct 12, '16, 4:54 pm

lmachine Regular Member Join Date: March 8, 2016 Posts: 1,997 Religion: Catholic

Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Donald J. Trump was emphatic in the second presidential debate: Yes, he had boasted about kissing women without permission and grabbing their genitals. But he had never actually done those things, he said. “No,” he declared under questioning on Sunday evening, “I have not.” At that moment, sitting at home in Manhattan, Jessica Leeds, 74, felt he was lying to her face. “I wanted to punch the screen,” she said in an interview in her apartment. More than three decades ago, when she was a traveling businesswoman at a paper company, Ms. Leeds said, she sat beside Mr. Trump in the first-class cabin of a flight to New York. They had never met before. About 45 minutes after takeoff, she recalled, Mr. Trump lifted the armrest and began to touch her. According to Ms. Leeds, Mr. Trump grabbed her breasts and tried to put his hand up her skirt. “He was like an octopus,” she said. “His hands were everywhere.” She fled to the back of the plane. “It was an assault,” she said. [...] Mr. Trump’s claim that his crude words had never turned into actions was similarly infuriating to a woman watching on Sunday night in Ohio: Rachel Crooks. Ms. Crooks was a 22-year-old receptionist at Bayrock Group, a real estate investment and development company in Trump Tower in Manhattan, when she encountered Mr. Trump outside an elevator in the building one morning in 2005. Aware that her company did business with Mr. Trump, she turned and introduced herself. They shook hands, but Mr. Trump would not let go, she said. Instead, he began kissing her cheeks. Then, she said, he “kissed me directly on the mouth.” It didn’t feel like an accident, she said. It felt like a violation. “It was so inappropriate,” Ms. Crooks recalled in an interview. “I was so upset that he thought I was so insignificant that he could do that.”

#2   Oct 12, '16, 4:57 pm

lmachine Regular Member Join Date: March 8, 2016 Posts: 1,997 Religion: Catholic

Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Former Miss USA contestant: Trump barged into room when we were naked Quote: Donald Trump deliberately walked in on two young Miss USA 2001 contestants while they were naked and getting dressed for a rehearsal, one of the former beauty contestants has claimed in an interview with the Guardian. The two women were putting on their outfits to rehearse the opening number, the former contestant recalled, when Trump, who owned the pageant at the time as part of the Miss Universe family of pageants, burst into the room without a word. Peeping Don: Trump spied on teens, beauty queens say | The campaign minute Read more Just before he entered, the former contestant said, she heard the security detail outside the dressing room tell someone approaching the door that the women inside were naked. “Mr Trump just barged right in, didn’t say anything, stood there and stared at us,” she recalled. Trump’s attitude, she said, seemed to be: “I can do this because I can.” “He didn’t walk in and say, ‘Oh, I’m so sorry, I was looking for someone,’” she continued. “He walked in, he stood and he stared. He was doing it because he knew that he could.” [...] The woman – who did not wish to be identified – is the second competitor from the 2001 Miss USA pageant to claim that Trump took advantage of owning the pageant, which he broadcast on NBC, in order to view the contestants naked.

#3   Oct 12, '16, 4:57 pm

Ridgerunner Forum Elder Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,714 Religion: Catholic

Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Yup. Expected it. True or false, the Dems have been collecting these. Probably one a day until November 8. The last three will be two ten-year-old girls and one boy.

#4   Oct 12, '16, 4:58 pm

Ridgerunner Forum Elder Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,714 Religion: Catholic

Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by lmachine Former Miss USA contestant: Trump barged into room when we were naked How did the security guy know they were naked? The door was closed.

#5   Oct 12, '16, 4:59 pm

lmachine Regular Member Join Date: March 8, 2016 Posts: 1,997 Religion: Catholic

Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Palm Beach Post exclusive: Local woman says Trump groped her Quote: McGillivray, 36, said she was groped by Trump at Mar-a-Lago 13 years ago. She said she never reported it to authorities. But her companion that day, photographer Ken Davidoff, vividly remembers when McGillivray pulled him aside moments after the alleged incident and told him, ‘’Donald just grabbed my ***!’’ [...] “All of a sudden I felt a grab, a little nudge. I think it’s Ken’s camera bag, that was my first instinct. I turn around and there’s Donald. He sort of looked away quickly. I quickly turned back, facing Ray Charles, and I’m stunned.’’ McGillivray said she remembers saying to herself, ‘’‘OK, am I going to say something now and make a scene or be quiet?’ I chose to stay quiet.’’

#6   Oct 12, '16, 5:01 pm

meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,636 Religion: Jewish

Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by lmachine Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately They'll all be coming out of the woodwork now, just as in the cases of Bill Cosby and...Bill Clinton. Some testimonies may be true, many most likely not.

#7   Oct 12, '16, 5:04 pm

lmachine Regular Member Join Date: March 8, 2016 Posts: 1,997 Religion: Catholic

Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Miss Washington 2013 says Donald Trump groped her Quote: According to Yahoo! News, Cassandra Searles made a Facebook post about her time on the Miss USA pageant, where she calls Trump a "misogynist" who "treated us like cattle." [...] According to Rolling Stone, Searles added in a comment on her initial post's thread, "He probably doesn't want me telling the story about that time he continually grabbed my *** and invited me to his hotel room."

#8   Oct 12, '16, 5:05 pm

Little Sheep Regular Member Join Date: January 4, 2016 Posts: 1,766 Religion: Episcopalian

Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately I'm shocked. Just flummoxed, I tell you. Who knew this was coming? Last edited by Little Sheep; Oct 12, '16 at 5:16 pm.

#9   Oct 12, '16, 5:07 pm

Ridgerunner Forum Elder Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,714 Religion: Catholic

Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Little Sheep I'm shocked. Just flummoxes, I tell you. Who knew this was coming? Anyone who knows anything about the Clintons. But this will get much worse. The Clinton machine has hundreds of millions of dollars and entire news organizations working for them for nothing.

#10   Oct 12, '16, 5:10 pm

DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦

Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Ridgerunner Anyone who knows anything about the Clintons. __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/

#11   Oct 12, '16, 5:13 pm

lmachine Regular Member Join Date: March 8, 2016 Posts: 1,997 Religion: Catholic

Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Former Miss Teen USA contestants claim Donald Trump walked in on them changing Quote: Four contestants from the 1997 Miss Teen USA pageant have claimed that Mr Trump suddenly entered their dressing room while they were changing. Mariah Billado, the former Miss Vermont Teen USA, said Mr Trump told the contestants, some of whom were as young as 15: “Don’t worry ladies, I’ve seen it all before.”

#12   Oct 12, '16, 5:15 pm

Ridgerunner Forum Elder Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,714 Religion: Catholic

Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately We're not to the ten year olds yet, or the little boys, but we're getting closer. Obviously this is coming off a list provided by some Dem organization.

#13   Oct 12, '16, 5:18 pm

DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦

Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Ridgerunner We're not to the ten year olds yet, or the little boys, but we're getting closer. Obviously this is coming off a list provided by some Dem organization. Clearly. To distract from the emails. __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/

#14   Oct 12, '16, 5:26 pm

meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,636 Religion: Jewish

Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Ridgerunner We're not to the ten year olds yet, or the little boys, but we're getting closer. Obviously this is coming off a list provided by some Dem organization. Politics is now an organizational effort, and not so much a matter of which candidate is the best for their party or the country. Perhaps it always was so? How else could a man like George W. Bush have been initially elected if it weren't for his clever GOP organization and managers, including Karl Rove and others? The Clinton machine was effective in promoting Bill Clinton, who very few of the electorate knew about, and it is somewhat effective now as well despite such a weak candidate. Trump has an inferior organization, as did Romney.

#15   Oct 12, '16, 5:29 pm

Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith

Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Little Sheep I'm shocked. Just flummoxed, I tell you. Who knew this was coming? I'm less shocked after hearing a 59 yr old man on tape. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)  Oct 12, '16, 5:30 pm _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,524 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately I don't know if these women are telling the truth, but I find the timing of these allegations, odd. As well as being a businessman, Donald Trump was a well known reality host on one of the most watched shows in America prior to running for President and there has also been nearly a year and a half of a presidential campaign and they only allege these claims weeks before a presidential election publicly? Nothing publicly for decades while Donald Trump was in the public eye but weeks before the election they publicly come forward? Doesn't mean these women are not telling the truth but I also heard on 'On The Record' on Fox News that there are also no police reports.   #17   Oct 12, '16, 5:40 pm _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,524 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: TRUMP CAMPAIGN STATEMENT “This entire article is fiction, and for the New York Times to launch a completely false, coordinated character assassination against Mr. Trump on a topic like this is dangerous. To reach back decades in an attempt to smear Mr. Trump trivializes sexual assault, and it sets a new low for where the media is willing to go in its efforts to determine this election. "It is absurd to think that one of the most recognizable business leaders on the planet with a strong record of empowering women in his companies would do the things alleged in this story, and for this to only become public decades later in the final month of a campaign for president should say it all. "Further, the Times story buries the pro-Clinton financial and social media activity on behalf of Hillary Clinton’s candidacy, reinforcing that this truly is nothing more than a political attack. This is a sad day for the Times.” - Jason Miller, Senior Communications Advisor https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-r...ign-statement3   #18   Oct 12, '16, 5:50 pm WilliamE Junior Member Join Date: August 22, 2016 Posts: 289 Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately I believe these accusations about as much as I believe Bill Clinton's accusers. Decades old stuff that no one can prove or disprove. I wonder if Hillary will try to have them sit in the family seats at the next debate?   #19   Oct 12, '16, 5:54 pm Bruised Reed Senior Member Join Date: June 27, 2004 Posts: 7,553 Religion: Bad Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia I don't know if these women are telling the truth, but I find the timing of these allegations, odd. As well as being a businessman, Donald Trump was a well known reality host on one of the most watched shows in America prior to running for President and there has also been nearly a year and a half of a presidential campaign and they only allege these claims weeks before a presidential election? Nothing publicly for decades while Donald Trump was in the public eye but weeks before the election they publicly come forward? Doesn't mean these women are not telling the truth but I also heard on 'On The Record' on Fox News that there are also no police reports. I think there are various reasons there are so many allegations right now, some legit and some not so much. For one, there is strength in numbers. Victims are more likely to come out if won't bear the brunt alone and are more likely to believed; strength in numbers. With all his money and power, how far do you think an individual woman was going to get without being sued herself? Not far I bet. Plus, listen to him; he is the master of gaslighting. I think some might be making it up because they are part of an agenda and still others, somewhere in-between i.e., Trump may have said something gross but the woman wasn't violated (no looking or touching) but might be finally finding her rage at being demeaned or insulted verbally. Now let's try to sort this all out before the election. Also, many women do not go to the police. Many never tell anyone. Brock Turner's victim was supported in the media though she was demeaned by Turner's supporters and the situation minimized. Consider the Steubenville victim and how she was treated by the community and in the media, including having the press lament over the rapists' lives being ruined by the allegations and conviction. Consider also how women are treated by those who are supposed to help them, such as LE; victims are interrogated instead of interviewed, as though they did something wrong. Watch the film The Hunting Ground for some perspective. It's on Netflix for those that have that service. __________________ From the cross Jesus gave us his mother to be our own. We need her, the one whom God chose to need. ^V^   #20   Oct 12, '16, 5:57 pm Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,437 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Ridgerunner How did the security guy know they were naked? The door was closed. There's footage of him saying so on Howard Stern. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #21   Oct 12, '16, 6:02 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,815 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately The feigned outrage by those on the left who continually excusedBC actions with a young intern,the Oval Office,cigars and all.......is disingenuous .BC sexual assaults not withstanding.   #22   Oct 12, '16, 6:02 pm Dwyer Regular Member Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately This is all interesting about Mr. Trump, but the fact is, there are only two candidates running for President which are going to win the Election. But one major party Candidate supports appointing Pro-Life Justices to the U.S. Supreme Court, supports Religious Freedom, and said they would consider trying to reverse Gay Marriage. Another major party Candidate said they fully support abortion on demand and murdering innocent unborn children and want it to be safe and legal and they dropped the "rare"; that Candidate fully supports Gay Marriage and is against protecting the private moral conscience of an individual versus the demands of other people who want that individual to perform an act that will fulfill a demand of their own or in their mind make them happy. Those are the most important issues. I'll leave it to you to read the Party platforms and Candidate statements and watch the debates to determine which of the two descriptions above each of the two major Candidates fits in. It's that black and white and that simple. __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)   #23   Oct 12, '16, 6:05 pm Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,437 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S The feigned outrage by those on the left who continually excusedBC actions with a young intern,the Oval Office,cigars and all.......is disingenuous .BC sexual assaults not withstanding. I was outraged at a Clinton's behavior back then. So am I allowed to be critical of the Donald? When did Bill's behavior become the standard? __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #24   Oct 12, '16, 6:12 pm NormW Junior Member Join Date: December 27, 2012 Posts: 161 Religion: Jesus is Lord! Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S The feigned outrage by those on the left who continually excusedBC actions with a young intern,the Oval Office,cigars and all.......is disingenuous .BC sexual assaults not withstanding. I guess the right can even things out with their own hypocrisy. But seriously, is there hypocrisy on the left? Yes. Is there hypocrisy from the right. Yes. Why is this? Partisan politics, you often can't distinguish Christians from secular society.   #25   Oct 12, '16, 6:20 pm gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately The Times reported that Jessica Leeds and Rachel Crooks each had encounters with Trump in which he groped or kissed them without their consent. One of the alleged incidents occurred in 2005, the other more than 30 years ago The women chose to tell their stories after Trump told CNN's Anderson Cooper during the second presidential debate "no, I have not," when asked repeatedly did he ever "kiss women without consent or grope women without consent." CNN has not yet independently confirmed The New York Times account. The Trump campaign issued a statement denying all the allegations, saying the reports were politically motivated. "It is absurd to think that one of the most recognizable business leaders on the planet with a strong record of empowering women in his companies would do the things alleged in this story, and for this to only become public decades later in the final month of a campaign for president should say it all," said Jason Miller, a Trump spokesman. Trump told The New York Times reporter: "None of this ever took place." http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/12/politi...ort/index.html __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #26   Oct 12, '16, 6:20 pm Upgrade25 Regular Member Join Date: November 5, 2015 Posts: 912 Religion: Latin Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Pray for America. Not much left to do. __________________ Domine Iesu Christe, Filii Dei, miserere me, peccatoris.   #27   Oct 12, '16, 6:24 pm Upgrade25 Regular Member Join Date: November 5, 2015 Posts: 912 Religion: Latin Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 I was outraged at a Clinton's behavior back then. So am I allowed to be critical of the Donald? When did Bill's behavior become the standard? Both candidates, as well as Bill Clinton, have made me sick. I am so glad I'm not voting, I'd have to go to Confession afterwards. __________________ Domine Iesu Christe, Filii Dei, miserere me, peccatoris.   #28   Oct 12, '16, 6:40 pm Al Moritz Regular Member Join Date: April 20, 2011 Posts: 3,024 Religion: Roman Catholic/Freethinker/Skeptic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Dwyer This is all interesting about Mr. Trump, but the fact is, there are only two candidates running for President which are going to win the Election. But one major party Candidate supports appointing Pro-Life Justices to the U.S. Supreme Court, supports Religious Freedom, and said they would consider trying to reverse Gay Marriage. Another major party Candidate said they fully support abortion on demand and murdering innocent unborn children and want it to be safe and legal and they dropped the "rare"; that Candidate fully supports Gay Marriage and is against protecting the private moral conscience of an individual versus the demands of other people who want that individual to perform an act that will fulfill a demand of their own or in their mind make them happy. Those are the most important issues. I'll leave it to you to read the Party platforms and Candidate statements and watch the debates to determine which of the two descriptions above each of the two major Candidates fits in. It's that black and white and that simple. No, it is not. May I refer you to the following CAF post by Father Ruggero: http://forums.catholic.com/showpost....&postcount=219 __________________ Health is not a consumer good but a universal right, so access to health services cannot be a privilege. Pope Francis   #29   Oct 12, '16, 6:52 pm Crown of Stars Regular Member Join Date: November 16, 2014 Posts: 1,628 Religion: Catholic, Indian, female Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Any man who says something vulgar about a lady shows low classed character. Is it no wonder women will come forward and say these things, whether true or not. In a way, a man who disrespects a lady deserves it. He has only brought all of this on himself. What he said, I thought, was extremely nasty. I know no woman at all who would be flattered by such a thing. __________________ When God saw it was not good for Man to be alone, He created Woman.   #30   Oct 12, '16, 6:54 pm _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,524 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Looks like Trump is going to sue The New York Times, I presume over this story: Quote: A lawsuit is being drafted now by Trump against the NYT. Very possible it could be announced tonight, though discussions ongoing. https://twitter.com/costareports/sta...82661476507648 Oct 12, '16, 7:02 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,636 Religion: Jewish Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Al Moritz No, it is not. May I refer you to the following CAF post by Father Ruggero: http://forums.catholic.com/showpost....&postcount=219 I think every Catholic, as well as non-Catholic, should read this post by Father Ruggero very carefully. It may serve to dispel certain erroneous notions.   #32   Oct 12, '16, 7:03 pm on_the_hill Regular Member Join Date: March 21, 2012 Posts: 5,694 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Why are people blaming the Clinton campaign for Trump's (alleged) crimes? Are people willing to ignore the allegations based on their disdain for the source? Should Trump be protected because he's not Hillary? Clearly, the answer is yes. Bill Clinton did it. Therefore it's ok if our guy did it. The new Catholic theology.   #33   Oct 12, '16, 7:04 pm on_the_hill Regular Member Join Date: March 21, 2012 Posts: 5,694 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy I think every Catholic, as well as non-Catholic, should read this post by Father Ruggero very carefully. It may serve to dispel certain erroneous notions. A brilliantly well written post it is, too.   #34   Oct 12, '16, 7:07 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,815 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 I was outraged at a Clinton's behavior back then. So am I allowed to be critical of the Donald? When did Bill's behavior become the standard? I wasn't necessirally referring to those on this forum.It was a general statement re the media,feminists,et all and last but not least HC! I don't defend DT actions in any way,I just find it disingenuous coming from the left,all things considered.   #35   Oct 12, '16, 8:20 pm Little Sheep Regular Member Join Date: January 4, 2016 Posts: 1,766 Religion: Episcopalian Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Ridgerunner Anyone who knows anything about the Clintons. But this will get much worse. The Clinton machine has hundreds of millions of dollars and entire news organizations working for them for nothing. It's true that the Clinton machine is accomplished in both running for office and governing after they assume an office. As a rule, I don't hold that against Mr. Trump. In fact, I feel a great deal of sympathy for him. If the Republicans would like to beat the Democrats in a national race, they should perhaps nominate a candidate who could actually do that. Or, you know, persuade our citizens that experience and service don't matter when it comes to governing the greatest nation on Earth.   #36   Oct 12, '16, 8:27 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately All this vicious evil attack on Trump will result in one thing: the sure destruction of hillary during the 3rd debate. You watch. One thing you don't do is provoke a lion. Now not only he has to fight for the country, he also has to fight for his own very survival. Just like he did in the last debate, his cold anger will hit hillary like a tsunami that she doesn't see coming. Bring it on, Hillary!   #37   Oct 12, '16, 8:38 pm Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv All this vicious evil attack on Trump will result in one thing: the sure destruction of hillary during the 3rd debate. You watch. One thing you don't do is provoke a lion. Now not only he has to fight for the country, he also has to fight for his own very survival. Just like he did in the last debate, his cold anger will hit hillary like a tsunami that she doesn't see coming. Bring it on, Hillary! Not everyone watching will be impressed with such cold anger, Trump acting like a tsunami or unleashing the fury of a lion. I realize his base will love it. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #38   Oct 12, '16, 8:47 pm Vanny Regular Member Join Date: August 9, 2005 Posts: 1,294 Religion: Lutheran Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately I did not support Donald Trump during the primaries. I wish the candidate I wanted was the nominee, but he isn't. We have a choice between two very flawed candidates, but I know who I'm voting for. As a conservative, pro life Christian, the choice is clear. The next President could appoint up to 3 or 4 Supreme Court Justices, and will most definitely appoint one. Donald J. Trump has promised to appoint conservative pro-life justices and has given a list of those. Donald Trump has promised to rebuild the military. Donald Trump will repeal and replace Obamacare which has become a disaster in my state. Donald Trump has promised to protect the 2nd amendment. he has promised to protect religious liberty. If HRC gets in, we can kiss religious liberty and freedom goodbye. Just look at the disdain for Catholics and Evangelicals that showed up in the WikiLeaks email dump. To me it's clear who I'm voting for.   #39   Oct 12, '16, 9:17 pm zaffiroborant Regular Member Join Date: February 14, 2008 Posts: 3,688 Religion: catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv All this vicious evil attack on Trump will result in one thing: the sure destruction of hillary during the 3rd debate. You watch. One thing you don't do is provoke a lion. Now not only he has to fight for the country, he also has to fight for his own very survival. Just like he did in the last debate, his cold anger will hit hillary like a tsunami that she doesn't see coming. Bring it on, Hillary! What vicious evil attack? Donald Trump said he does exactly what these women describe him doing to them. Why don't you believe them? He said he grabs women by the *****, kisses them whether they want to be kissed or not and then when women say, yep he groped me, grabbed my crotch, forcibly kissed me it's an evil attack. __________________ If the sky falls we shall catch larks.   #40   Oct 12, '16, 9:21 pm Dwyer Regular Member Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Al Moritz No, it is not. May I refer you to the following CAF post by Father Ruggero: http://forums.catholic.com/showpost....&postcount=219 Sure it is. This issue about voting has been answered about a zillion times. You know, I read everything in that post you referred me to. I ask that in return you read this essay 'Explaining Ratzinger's "Proportionate Reasons": Abortion Is the Black Hole of Moral Issues' from Catholic Answers and watch the Catholic Answers Live video courtesy of Catholic Answers YouTube Channel addressing Can A Catholic Support a Candidate Who Opposes Church Teaching? both by the senior apologist at Catholic Answers Jimmy Akin: Quote: "A Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil, and so unworthy to present himself for Holy Communion, if he were to deliberately vote for a candidate precisely because of the candidate’s permissive stand on abortion and/or euthanasia. When a Catholic does not share a candidate’s stand in favor of abortion and/or euthanasia but votes for that candidate for other reasons, it is considered remote material cooperation, which can be permitted in the presence of proportionate reasons." So wrote Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (while Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith [1981–2005]) in a confidential memorandum entitled Worthiness to Receive Holy Communion: General Principles that became public earlier this year (2004) . . . What kind of reason would be needed to vote for a pro-abort candidate for president? Something unimaginably huge . . . The Abortion Numbers Consider: A million and a half new Americans are murdered every year by abortion. Jobs? The economy? Taxes? Education? The environment? Immigration? Forget it. We do not have nine million people dying in a typical president’s term of office due to bad job programs, bad economic policies, bad taxes, bad education, bad environmental law, bad immigration rules—or even all of these combined. All of them together cannot provide a reason proportionate to the need to end abortion. Make no mistake: Abortion is the preeminent moral issue of our time. It is the black hole that out-masses every other issue. Presenting any other issues as if they were proportionate to it is nothing but smoke and mirrors. http://www.catholic.com/magazine/art...ionate-reasons Can A Catholic Support a Candidate Who Opposes Church Teaching? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVxhqWwvAws __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)   #41   Oct 12, '16, 9:32 pm twf Regular Member Join Date: May 18, 2004 Posts: 5,828 Religion: Catholic (former Evangelical Protestant) Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by on_the_hill A brilliantly well written post it is, too. I agree completely. I have said it before and I will say it again: we non-American Catholics are sick to our stomach that our American brethren can throw their love and support behind such a vile, disgusting, hateful, spiteful, petty man...Trump is the embodiment of everything a Catholic should not be. He mocks the handicapped, ridicules women for being "fat", constantly contradicts himself and has been caught in lies again and again. He supports intrinsic evils such as torture (beyond water boarding according to his own words) and the murder of non-combatants and is at odd with the Church/bishops on other key issues such as immigration. Yes, Hillary Clinton is monstrous in her support of abortion-on-demand. But the evil of one candidate doesn't cancel out the evil of the other. The end does not justify the means. If I were an American, I couldn't vote for either - and I know at least one American bishop has said one is not obliged to vote for either. I would focus on electing worthy senators... after all, doesn't the senate have to ratify the president's judicial appointments? (That seems to be the biggest argument for Trump on these boards - judicial appointments... but since when can presidents bypass the Senate?).   #42   Oct 12, '16, 9:32 pm Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by zaffiroborant What vicious evil attack? Donald Trump said he does exactly what these women describe him doing to them. Why don't you believe them? He said he grabs women by the *****, kisses them whether they want to be kissed or not and then when women say, yep he groped me, grabbed my crotch, forcibly kissed me it's an evil attack. I realize some may argue timing and "he said she said" but I am finding it hard to disbelieve every accusation, given what he himself said on the tape that he can do as a famous person. And then in the debate when Anderson Cooper asked if he ever actually did the types of things he described on the tape, instead of right away emphatically saying he had not, he went into this talk about how much he respects women and it wasn't until after Anderson continued to press him for an answer, that he gave an answer. I wouldn't be surprised if his denial at that point in the recent debate brought these women's encounters with him to the surface and that is why they have spoken out. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #43   Oct 12, '16, 9:34 pm lmachine Regular Member Join Date: March 8, 2016 Posts: 1,997 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Physically Attacked by Donald Trump – A PEOPLE Writer’s Own Harrowing Story Quote: We walked into that room alone, and Trump shut the door behind us. I turned around, and within seconds, he was pushing me against the wall, and forcing his tongue down my throat. Now, I’m a tall, strapping girl who grew up wrestling two giant brothers. I even once sparred with Mike Tyson. It takes a lot to push me. But Trump is much bigger—a looming figure—and he was fast, taking me by surprise, and throwing me off balance. I was stunned. And I was grateful when Trump’s longtime butler burst into the room a minute later, as I tried to unpin myself. The butler informed us that Melania would be down momentarily, and it was time to resume the interview. I was still in shock, and remained speechless as we both followed him to an outdoor patio overlooking the grounds. In those few minutes alone with Trump, my self-esteem crashed to zero. How could the actions of one man make me feel so utterly violated? I’d been interviewing A-list celebrities for over 20 years, but what he’d done was a first. Did he think I’d be flattered? I tried to act normal. I had a job to do, and I was determined to do it. I sat in a chair that faced Trump, who waited for his wife on a loveseat. The butler left us, and I fumbled with my tape recorder. Trump smiled and leaned forward. “You know we’re going to have an affair, don’t you?” he declared, in the same confident tone he uses when he says he’s going to make America great again. “Have you ever been to Peter Luger’s for steaks? I’ll take you. We’re going to have an affair, I’m telling you.” He also referenced the infamous cover of the New York Post during his affair with Marla Maples. “You remember,” he said. “Best Sex I Ever Had.” [...] Now he’s running for president of our country. The other day, I listened to him talk about how he treats women on the Access Hollywood tape. I felt a strong mix of emotions, but shock wasn’t one of them. I was relieved. I finally understood for sure that I was not to blame for his inappropriate behavior. I had not been singled out. As he explained to Billy Bush, it was his usual modus operandi with women. I felt deep regret for not speaking out at the time. What if he had done worse to other female reporters at the magazine since then because I hadn’t warned them?   #44   Oct 12, '16, 9:44 pm lmachine Regular Member Join Date: March 8, 2016 Posts: 1,997 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia Looks like Trump is going to sue The New York Times, I presume over this story: https://twitter.com/costareports/sta...82661476507648 They released a letter demanding a retraction and an apology, something the NYT and their counsel will laugh at. That will almost certainly be the extent of it. He may have run one of the most incompetent campaigns of all time but not even he is dumb enough to file suit over this.   #45   Oct 12, '16, 9:51 pm NormW Junior Member Join Date: December 27, 2012 Posts: 161 Religion: Jesus is Lord! Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately If Donald Trump is the champion of the church, what a sad time it is in the world. Oct 12, '16, 9:54 pm _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,524 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Letter from what is presumably Trump's lawyer to New York Times: https://twitter.com/alivitali/status/786423770709753860   #47   Oct 12, '16, 11:19 pm lmachine Regular Member Join Date: March 8, 2016 Posts: 1,997 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately All of Donald Trump’s Accusers: A Timeline of Every Alleged Grope and Assault Quote: Since The Washington Post reported last Friday that Donald Trump was recorded bragging about his ability to sexually assault women, several women have stepped forward to allege the Republican presidential nominee did just that. Their allegations amount to a substantial list of alleged sexual harassment and assault dating back to the early 1980s. Trump has denied every allegation against him.   #48   Oct 13, '16, 2:48 am BlueEyedLady Senior Member Join Date: November 22, 2011 Posts: 6,585 Religion: Atheist Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia Letter from what is presumably Trump's lawyer to New York Times: https://twitter.com/alivitali/status/786423770709753860 Donald Trump files lawsuits with the same frequency most people change their socks. Check out the one he filed against Bill Maher. Funny stuff. I don't get how a Catholic can support Trump. I thought you couldn't do evil even for good. Supporting Trump is objectively evil, and assessments of Clinton don't change that. Shouldn't principles, especially religious ones, come before political resentments? __________________ "One of the deep secrets of life is that all that is really worth the doing is what we do for others" -Lewis Carroll   #49   Oct 13, '16, 2:51 am Catholic farmer Regular Member Join Date: July 28, 2014 Posts: 984 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Well, it certainly wouldn't be the first time a politician took advantage of his position. I am not at all surprised this happened with Trump. He has shown us, repeatedly, that he regards women as mere objects for his pleasure.   #50   Oct 13, '16, 3:33 am rose kelly Regular Member Join Date: December 4, 2014 Posts: 520 Religion: catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by NormW If Donald Trump is the champion of the church, what a sad time it is in the world. Well said.   #51   Oct 13, '16, 4:15 am DaddyGirl Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 29, 2011 Posts: 8,629 Religion: may the force be with you Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by lmachine Physically Attacked by Donald Trump – A PEOPLE Writer’s Own Harrowing Story I know this reporter. She speaks the truth. . __________________ Creator and member of The Rational Rat Pack: "Wherever you go, there you are."   #52   Oct 13, '16, 4:26 am Monte RCMS Forum Master Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,658 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Apparently the women already have Web sites. Amazing coincidence ... the timing with the election. __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth.   #53   Oct 13, '16, 4:27 am Monte RCMS Forum Master Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,658 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by BlueEyedLady Donald Trump files lawsuits with the same frequency most people change their socks. Check out the one he filed against Bill Maher. Funny stuff. I don't get how a Catholic can support Trump. I thought you couldn't do evil even for good. Supporting Trump is objectively evil, and assessments of Clinton don't change that. Shouldn't principles, especially religious ones, come before political resentments? What specifically do you consider to be "objectively evil"? __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth.   #54   Oct 13, '16, 4:32 am Maximilan Kolbe Banned Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by BlueEyedLady Donald Trump files lawsuits with the same frequency most people change their socks. Check out the one he filed against Bill Maher. Funny stuff. I don't get how a Catholic can support Trump. I thought you couldn't do evil even for good. Supporting Trump is objectively evil, and assessments of Clinton don't change that. Shouldn't principles, especially religious ones, come before political resentments? How do you figure supporting him is objectively evil? Subjectively evil maybe, but objectively? By what measure? Personally, I see Clinton supporting objective evil, and Trump as unpleasantly distasteful in some ways. Could he promote actual evil? He could, but she actively does. Regardless, if that is what you believe, can I assume you believe that Catholics cannot vote for either candidate in this election? Certainly it does not simply disallow them from voting just Trump? I can see believing in neither candidate, in terms of consistent moral objections for Catholics.   #55   Oct 13, '16, 5:14 am SouthCatholic Junior Member Join Date: June 7, 2011 Posts: 346 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by zaffiroborant what vicious evil attack? Donald trump said he does exactly what these women describe him doing to them. Why don't you believe them? He said he grabs women by the *****, kisses them whether they want to be kissed or not and then when women say, yep he groped me, grabbed my crotch, forcibly kissed me it's an evil attack. thank you!!!!   #56   Oct 13, '16, 5:16 am queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Given how wealthy Trump is, the women would have sued a long time ago if it were true. But no, they wanted to wait until after the tape came out. How timely. Remember the question at the debate: Mr. Trump, are you sure you've never done what you joked about doing? What a nice set-up! It's war out there.   #57   Oct 13, '16, 5:17 am abelville New Member Join Date: April 23, 2007 Posts: 61 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Of course we don't know how much of this is true, but for the survival or the unborn, and Religious Freedom - ALL OF OUR FREEDOMS AS CHRISTIANS, maybe Trump should step down and allow Pence to finish to the mark. I don't know if even the DNC could dig up or fabricate enough on Pence by Nov 8th.   #58   Oct 13, '16, 5:18 am DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Given how wealthy Trump is, the women would have sued a long time ago if it were true. But no, they wanted to wait until after the tape came out. How timely. Remember the question at the debate: Mr. Trump, are you sure you've never done what you joked about doing? What a nice set-up! It's war out there. Indeed __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #59   Oct 13, '16, 5:21 am queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by abelville Of course we don't know how much of this is true, but for the survival or the unborn, and Religious Freedom - ALL OF OUR FREEDOMS AS CHRISTIANS, maybe Trump should step down and allow Pence to finish to the mark. I don't know if even the DNC could dig up or fabricate enough on Pence by Nov 8th. Oh if Pence were the rightful nominee from the start, you bet you'd be hearing things about him, too. If not him. it'd be his wife, his children, his father, grandfather, what have you. Remember what they did to Hermain Cain, a solid guy but pushed out by a sexual scandal. This is not for the faint hearted. If anyone here on the forum is brave enough to run for president one day, unless they are democrat, wait and see the onslaught they'll have to endure. It happens every time. They made Romney to be this guy who wanted to push granny off the cliff, who caused an employee's spouse to die of cancer, who never paid any taxes. They will come up with anything and everything in order to win the election. Curiously, nothing ever sticks with hillary, nothing whatsoever. Her secret: the media is on her side.   #60   Oct 13, '16, 5:23 am DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Oh if Pence were the rightful nominee from the start, you bet you'd be hearing things about him, too. If not him. it'd be his wife, his children, his father, grandfather, what have you. Remember what they did to Hermain Cain, a solid guy but pushed out by a sexual scandal. This is not for the faint hearted. If anyone here on the forum is brave enough to run for president one day, unless they are democrat, wait and see the onslaught they'll have to endure. It happens every time. They made Romney to be this guy who wanted to push granny off the cliff, who caused an employee's spouse to die of cancer, who never paid any taxes. They will come up with anything and everything in order to win the election. Curiously, nothing ever sticks with hillary, nothing whatsoever. Her secret: the media is on her side. His third grade classmates, a server he maybe didn't tip well, someone he cut off in traffic... __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/ Oct 13, '16, 5:27 am Maximilan Kolbe Banned Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Oh if Pence were the rightful nominee from the start, you bet you'd be hearing things about him, too. If not him. it'd be his wife, his children, his father, grandfather, what have you. Remember what they did to Hermain Cain, a solid guy but pushed out by a sexual scandal. This is not for the faint hearted. If anyone here on the forum is brave enough to run for president one day, unless they are democrat, wait and see the onslaught they'll have to endure. It happens every time. They made Romney to be this guy who wanted to push granny off the cliff, who caused an employee's spouse to die of cancer, who never paid any taxes. They will come up with anything and everything in order to win the election. Curiously, nothing ever sticks with hillary, nothing whatsoever. Her secret: the media is on her side. I agree. Trump is an easy target, but Hillary savaged Clinton's accusers for pete's sake, and Joy Behar called them tramps for involving themselves (is a rape accuser really involving themselves, Joy?) with a married man. To think Pence would escape unscathed is naive. Look at what they did to Romney. The democrats floated a made up story about his taxes, simply to hurt him. They knew it was false. It doesn't matter, and doesn't have to be true. Trump may be an easier target, but we could run a modern day Catholic Saint and they'd savage him or her with made up attacks. I can only imagine what they'd do to someone like St. Augustine.   #62   Oct 13, '16, 5:45 am Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,437 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY Indeed New York Daily News article 1997: http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/...ticle-1.785734 Quote: Settlement is a dirty word to Donald Trump, particularly when he's been accused of breach of contract and sexual harassment. But the developer has decided that writing a check is the cleanest way out of an ugly trial. Last week, Trump settled a long-standing lawsuit with the American Dream Festival company, which claimed Trump had backed out of a deal to let it stage a beauty pageant in one of his Atlantic City hotels. The suit was also peppered with allegations that, in 1993, Trump made unwanted advances toward Jill Harth, a pageant exec who is now the wife of American Dream Festival head George Houraney. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #63   Oct 13, '16, 5:53 am Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,437 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Maximilan Kolbe I agree. Trump is an easy target, but Hillary savaged Clinton's accusers for pete's sake, and Joy Behar called them tramps for involving themselves (is a rape accuser really involving themselves, Joy?) with a married man. To think Pence would escape unscathed is naive. Look at what they did to Romney. The democrats floated a made up story about his taxes, simply to hurt him. They knew it was false. It doesn't matter, and doesn't have to be true. Trump may be an easier target, but we could run a modern day Catholic Saint and they'd savage him or her with made up attacks. I can only imagine what they'd do to someone like St. Augustine. There weren't any accusations of sexual misconduct leveled at Romney. He doesn't have the reputation of a womanizer. I don't think he's been on Howard Stern to brag about his conquests (multiple times). Romney is a family man. Trump is deeply flawed and I never believed that this person would do anything to foster a culture of life. He doesn't have anything in his past that says he will. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #64   Oct 13, '16, 6:03 am Ridgerunner Forum Elder Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,714 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 There weren't any accusations of sexual misconduct leveled at Romney. He doesn't have the reputation of a womanizer. I don't think he's been on Howard Stern to brag about his conquests (multiple times). Romney is a family man. Trump is deeply flawed and I never believed that this person would do anything to foster a culture of life. He doesn't have anything in his past that says he will. When Hillary Clinton insists I must "change my religion", when Afghanistan's army is falling apart, when the abandonment of Iraq gave rise to ISIS, when Russia is telling the U.S. to stay away in Syria, when Hillary turned Libya and Egypt over to terrorist organizations and diverted arms to Islamists in Syria, we're worried about whether Donald Trump has, at times, been a boor? When Clinton's people want to destroy the Catholic Church from within, when they call Americans "deplorables", "irredeemable", "needy Latinos", "taco bowl" voters, "Medieval" church, "rednecks", we're supposed to support that because Trump made crude remarks about loose women who follow stars around? When the economy is in a shambles, the poor are getting poorer, the middle class is declining and manufacturing is leaving the country, we're supposed to believe every accuser against Trump who remained silent for 30 years, and vote for the worst candidate who has ever run for office? And when Hillary Clinton sells her country's interests for money, we're supposed to invite her to do even more of it? No. If Trump is "deeply flawed", Hillary Clinton is so far beyond that description that it's ridiculous to even compare them. Not one voter should vote for her. Not one.   #65   Oct 13, '16, 6:07 am Maximilan Kolbe Banned Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 There weren't any accusations of sexual misconduct leveled at Romney. He doesn't have the reputation of a womanizer. I don't think he's been on Howard Stern to brag about his conquests (multiple times). Romney is a family man. Trump is deeply flawed and I never believed that this person would do anything to foster a culture of life. He doesn't have anything in his past that says he will. Who said it would be sexual accusations? Romney was rich, so they lied and accused him of tax issues they simply made up. The point is, when it comes to the left, to think anyone candidate will not have the reputation besmirched and that they won't target an easy area of opportunity is naïve. It's a power grab at any cost - if I have to sell my soul to the devil to get power, so be it.   #66   Oct 13, '16, 6:07 am queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Don't expect Trump to take this lying down. The fight is always most intense right before the big win. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...51712228208640   #67   Oct 13, '16, 6:11 am queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Will you see this on the nightly news? http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/...to-republican/   #68   Oct 13, '16, 6:17 am signit Regular Member Join Date: October 26, 2006 Posts: 1,520 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Monte RCMS Apparently the women already have Web sites. Amazing coincidence ... the timing with the election. I don't think the timing is a coincidence. I think it's perfectly understandable that the stories would come out about now, after he said in the debate that he never actually did it. That's another whole issue, beyond whether he talked about it or did it. If he actually did it and said in the debate that he didn't, that means he's untruthful. Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Given how wealthy Trump is, the women would have sued a long time ago if it were true. But no, they wanted to wait until after the tape came out. How timely. Remember the question at the debate: Mr. Trump, are you sure you've never done what you joked about doing? What a nice set-up! It's war out there. Maybe not. If they had come out with this before they might not have been believed. Bill Cosby comes to mind. And they would have had to contend with big rich Donald Trump and his army of lawyers.   #69   Oct 13, '16, 6:18 am Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,437 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Maximilan Kolbe Who said it would be sexual accusations? Romney was rich, so they lied and accused him of tax issues they simply made up. The point is, when it comes to the left, to think anyone candidate will not have the reputation besmirched and that they won't target an easy area of opportunity is naïve. It's a power grab at any cost - if I have to sell my soul to the devil to get power, so be it. There wasn't the same level of controversy at all about Romney, Republicans didn't like him because he was too moderate. I voted for him, even though I was displaced by hurricane sandy. I got an emergency absentee ballot. But I remember the rhetoric that the Massachusetts health care law that he sponsored was just like Obama care. Trump is awful. Hillary is awful. Less than a month left. On a side note, Glen Beck actually had a good article about voting one's conscience. It might be linked to on his Twitter page. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #70   Oct 13, '16, 6:21 am Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,437 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by signit I don't think the timing is a coincidence. I think it's perfectly understandable that the stories would come out about now, after he said in the debate that he never actually did it. That's another whole issue, beyond whether he talked about it or did it. If he actually did it and said in the debate that he didn't, that means he's untruthful. Maybe not. If they had come out with this before they might not have been believed. Bill Cosby comes to mind. And they would have had to contend with big rich Donald Trump and his army of lawyers. But he was sued in 1997. It was covered in the papers. People didn't care. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #71   Oct 13, '16, 6:28 am Maximilan Kolbe Banned Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 There wasn't the same level of controversy at all about Romney, Republicans didn't like him because he was too moderate. I voted for him, even though I was displaced by hurricane sandy. I got an emergency absentee ballot. But I remember the rhetoric that the Massachusetts health care law that he sponsored was just like Obama care. Trump is awful. Hillary is awful. Less than a month left. On a side note, Glen Beck actually had a good article about voting one's conscience. It might be linked to on his Twitter page. The point isn't whether Romney was a moderate, Trump is awful, or Hillary hates Catholics, it is that the left will make up any story they can to cast doubt in the electorate, which is why the claims that Pence is too squeaky clean don't fly. It doesn't matter if Pence has been a choir boy, all you have to do is put a story out there and the damage is done. That has no bearing on whether or not Trump or Romney were actually guilty, of course.   #72   Oct 13, '16, 6:32 am queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Sexual assault claim details: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016...rumped-attack/ She took her story from a Velvet Underground song!   #73   Oct 13, '16, 6:37 am Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,437 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Sexual assault claim details: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016...rumped-attack/ She took her story from a Velvet Underground song! The term being like an octopus is a common term for someone who is grabby in a sexual way. I've used that term myself, and I have never heard of the velvet underground. Your article is also wrong that Mr. Trump was sued for sexual harassment in 1997 and settled for 6 figures. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #74   Oct 13, '16, 6:38 am TCEL Regular Member Join Date: January 17, 2014 Posts: 2,440 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy I think every Catholic, as well as non-Catholic, should read this post by Father Ruggero very carefully. It may serve to dispel certain erroneous notions. And yet, I have a Catholic friend who voted for Obama in college in 2008 based on "there's more than one issue," and now regrets that decision. __________________ From Jewish Passover to Christian Eucharist: the Story of the Todah “If men will not be governed by the Ten Commandments, they shall be governed by the ten thousand commandments.” ― G.K. Chesterton   #75   Oct 13, '16, 6:48 am Maximilan Kolbe Banned Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy I think every Catholic, as well as non-Catholic, should read this post by Father Ruggero very carefully. It may serve to dispel certain erroneous notions. It may but likely will not. IMO, this is often used as justification to do as we desire, without giving serious consideration to the following part: 35.There may be times when a Catholic who rejects a candidate’s unacceptable position even on policies promoting an intrinsically evil act may reasonably decide to vote for that candidate for other morally grave reasons. Voting in this way would be permissible only for truly grave moral reasons, not to advance narrow interests or partisan preferences or to ignore a fundamental moral evil: Note the emphasis on the word "may." This implies possible, but not common. The Church defines grave for us. What the good Father did was clarify what the Catechism says, not suggest how loosely this can be applied, or whether or not it applies in this case (or ever has in history). The Church is not going to say "vote for X." As with most moral matters, She has given us AMPLE input on how to properly form and discern the right decisions. We still have free will, and there will always be Catholics who discern, just as there will always be Catholics who use the excerpt as a license to vote for who they really wanted anyway. There is no way to avoid the abuse of this wonderful guidance, but that is on the voter, not the Catechism. Ultimately God knows what is in their heart, and whether or not they were sincere, or simply hiding behind words on paper (the very issue with being too doctrinal and legalistic the Proper just spoke of - "see, technically, if you read the words, I am correct!"). God's intent is more than words on a page. Oct 13, '16, 6:50 am Maximilan Kolbe Banned Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy I think every Catholic, as well as non-Catholic, should read this post by Father Ruggero very carefully. It may serve to dispel certain erroneous notions. It may but likely will not. IMO, this is often used as justification to do as we desire, without giving serious consideration to the following part: 35.There may be times when a Catholic who rejects a candidate’s unacceptable position even on policies promoting an intrinsically evil act may reasonably decide to vote for that candidate for other morally grave reasons. Voting in this way would be permissible only for truly grave moral reasons, not to advance narrow interests or partisan preferences or to ignore a fundamental moral evil: Note the emphasis on the word "may." This implies possible, but not common. The Church defines grave for us. What the good Father did was clarify what the "Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship" says, not suggest how loosely this can be applied, or whether or not it applies in this case (or ever has in history). The Church is not going to say "vote for X." As with most moral matters, She has given us AMPLE input on how to properly form and discern the right decisions. We still have free will, and there will always be Catholics who discern, just as there will always be Catholics who use the excerpt as a license to vote for who they really wanted anyway. There is no way to avoid the abuse of this wonderful guidance, but that is on the voter, not the Catechism. Ultimately God knows what is in their heart, and whether or not they were sincere, or simply hiding behind words on paper (the very issue with being too doctrinal and legalistic the Proper just spoke of - "see, technically, if you read the words, I am correct!"). God's intent is more than words on a page.   #77   Oct 13, '16, 6:54 am goout Regular Member Join Date: July 29, 2016 Posts: 2,033 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Ridgerunner Yup. Expected it. True or false, the Dems have been collecting these. Probably one a day until November 8. The last three will be two ten-year-old girls and one boy. Which is worse? A man who is stupid, offensive, a womanizer? Or Someone who has evidence of it and waits until the damage to the country is irreversible to release it? Which one is worse? ( I know, they are both really bad) But I have to choose number two, because that is manipulative deception which harms millions of people. This stuff could have been released a year ago when his head popped out of the hole. But no, they knew there was only one person they could beat: DonaldTrump. __________________ If you want things to change, change YOU. And let God handle his business. The demand for perfection is the enemy of the doable.   #78   Oct 13, '16, 6:57 am Ridgerunner Forum Elder Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,714 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by goout Which is worse? A man who is stupid, offensive, a womanizer? Or Someone who has evidence of it and waits until the damage to the country is irreversible to release it? Which one is worse? ( I know, they are both really bad) But I have to choose number two, because that is manipulative deception which harms millions of people. This stuff could have been released a year ago when his head popped out of the hole. But no, they knew there was only one person they could beat: DonaldTrump. Not to mention insufficient time on anyone's part to investigate it. But that was the plan all along. There will be more.   #79   Oct 13, '16, 7:00 am Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,437 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by goout Which is worse? A man who is stupid, offensive, a womanizer? Or Someone who has evidence of it and waits until the damage to the country is irreversible to release it? Which one is worse? ( I know, they are both really bad) But I have to choose number two, because that is manipulative deception which harms millions of people. This stuff could have been released a year ago when his head popped out of the hole. But no, they knew there was only one person they could beat: DonaldTrump. Come on. Trump has been in the limelight for years and years. If anyone needed anything on his background, all they needed to do was look. Mark Shea a number of months ago had link to the many different troublesome trump things, including the sexual harassment case of Jill Harth. People collectively decided to believe that Trump would be a good choice for president, for whatever reason. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #80   Oct 13, '16, 7:00 am Michael68 Banned Join Date: August 17, 2015 Posts: 5,225 Religion: Cradle Roman Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S I wasn't necessirally referring to those on this forum.It was a general statement re the media,feminists,et all and last but not least HC! I don't defend DT actions in any way,I just find it disingenuous coming from the left,all things considered. I have to agree!!!! All this outrage by the democrats is all fake considering their past   #81   Oct 13, '16, 7:02 am Convert in 99 Senior Member Join Date: April 20, 2007 Posts: 8,587 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv All this vicious evil attack on Trump will result in one thing: the sure destruction of hillary during the 3rd debate. You watch. One thing you don't do is provoke a lion. Now not only he has to fight for the country, he also has to fight for his own very survival. Just like he did in the last debate, his cold anger will hit hillary like a tsunami that she doesn't see coming. Bring it on, Hillary! Really these debates do nothing but prove beyond a shadow of doubt how horribly unfit BOTH these candidates are for the running of this country. __________________ I side with Pope Francis!   #82   Oct 13, '16, 7:05 am ringil Veteran Member Join Date: May 9, 2011 Posts: 9,319 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy They'll all be coming out of the woodwork now, just as in the cases of Bill Cosby and...Bill Clinton. Some testimonies may be true, many most likely not. Never saw any of this with Bernie? You know we can all say- "oh of course the Clinton's are going to be pushing these stories but we have to wonder why aren't new stories around H. Clinton showing up daily as they are with Trump." Just continuously saying "It's the DNC- It's the media!" doesn't really address these stories. __________________ To those with only hammers everything looks like a nail. "tough love thy neighbor as thyself. Get your own loaves and fishes!"- Stephen Colbert   #83   Oct 13, '16, 7:07 am ringil Veteran Member Join Date: May 9, 2011 Posts: 9,319 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Ridgerunner Anyone who knows anything about the Clintons. But this will get much worse. The Clinton machine has hundreds of millions of dollars and entire news organizations working for them for nothing. Poor Trump he's just a victim. :roll eyes: This election is going to be one of the biggest blowouts in presidential history. __________________ To those with only hammers everything looks like a nail. "tough love thy neighbor as thyself. Get your own loaves and fishes!"- Stephen Colbert   #84   Oct 13, '16, 7:14 am ringil Veteran Member Join Date: May 9, 2011 Posts: 9,319 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv All this vicious evil attack on Trump will result in one thing: the sure destruction of hillary during the 3rd debate. You watch. One thing you don't do is provoke a lion. Now not only he has to fight for the country, he also has to fight for his own very survival. Just like he did in the last debate, his cold anger will hit hillary like a tsunami that she doesn't see coming. Bring it on, Hillary! Glas is half full right? __________________ To those with only hammers everything looks like a nail. "tough love thy neighbor as thyself. Get your own loaves and fishes!"- Stephen Colbert   #85   Oct 13, '16, 7:17 am queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Convert in 99 Really these debates do nothing but prove beyond a shadow of doubt how horribly unfit BOTH these candidates are for the running of this country. Until you are courageous enough to run yourself and survive, this kind of talk does nothing.   #86   Oct 13, '16, 7:18 am goout Regular Member Join Date: July 29, 2016 Posts: 2,033 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 Come on. Trump has been in the limelight for years and years. If anyone needed anything on his background, all they needed to do was look. Mark Shea a number of months ago had link to the many different troublesome trump things, including the sexual harassment case of Jill Harth. People collectively decided to believe that Trump would be a good choice for president, for whatever reason. That's kinda the point I made. sheesh __________________ If you want things to change, change YOU. And let God handle his business. The demand for perfection is the enemy of the doable.   #87   Oct 13, '16, 7:25 am styrgwillidar Regular Member Join Date: December 23, 2009 Posts: 4,268 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Does Trump get to use the same line that was used to defend Clinton? Something about 'dragging a $5 bill through a trailer park'?   #88   Oct 13, '16, 7:32 am queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately I wonder why Trump is only accused of groping not raping? I mean, if Hillary's opponent has to be smeared to be as bad as her, the story line should be accusation of rape, not just groping. I mean, why stop at groping, right? The story should be Trump raped many women while his wife Melania/or daughter Ivanka goes out threatening these same women. Now that would have been a competitive story.   #89   Oct 13, '16, 8:33 am ShrodingersCat Regular Member Join Date: May 10, 2016 Posts: 1,151 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe Not everyone watching will be impressed with such cold anger, Trump acting like a tsunami or unleashing the fury of a lion. I realize his base will love it. Yeah, Hillary WANTS him to lose it. She knows it will win her the election. Trump's fans will love it and the moderates will be repulsed.   #90   Oct 13, '16, 8:40 am ShrodingersCat Regular Member Join Date: May 10, 2016 Posts: 1,151 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Given how wealthy Trump is, the women would have sued a long time ago if it were true. But no, they wanted to wait until after the tape came out. How timely. Remember the question at the debate: Mr. Trump, are you sure you've never done what you joked about doing? What a nice set-up! It's war out there. Actually more like the opposite. A very rich person can sweep all such things under the carpet. The law favours the rich, not the innocent. Same goes for HC. I'd vote for Trump sooner than HC, but I would probably throw up afterwards and feel dirty. Luckily I don't have a vote. Oct 13, '16, 8:47 am ShrodingersCat Regular Member Join Date: May 10, 2016 Posts: 1,151 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Maximilan Kolbe It may but likely will not. IMO, this is often used as justification to do as we desire, without giving serious consideration to the following part: 35.There may be times when a Catholic who rejects a candidate’s unacceptable position even on policies promoting an intrinsically evil act may reasonably decide to vote for that candidate for other morally grave reasons. Voting in this way would be permissible only for truly grave moral reasons, not to advance narrow interests or partisan preferences or to ignore a fundamental moral evil: Note the emphasis on the word "may." This implies possible, but not common. The Church defines grave for us. What the good Father did was clarify what the Catechism says, not suggest how loosely this can be applied, or whether or not it applies in this case (or ever has in history). The Church is not going to say "vote for X." As with most moral matters, She has given us AMPLE input on how to properly form and discern the right decisions. We still have free will, and there will always be Catholics who discern, just as there will always be Catholics who use the excerpt as a license to vote for who they really wanted anyway. There is no way to avoid the abuse of this wonderful guidance, but that is on the voter, not the Catechism. Ultimately God knows what is in their heart, and whether or not they were sincere, or simply hiding behind words on paper (the very issue with being too doctrinal and legalistic the Proper just spoke of - "see, technically, if you read the words, I am correct!"). God's intent is more than words on a page. I see where you are coming from, but in my head this would be more relevant if, say, one candidate was pro-euthanasia and one was pro-abortion. You could discern which would be less likely to do damage... say if the abortion laws were well established but there was no euthanasia in your country and you wanted things to stay as they are rather than get worse... some kind of equally-evil-outcome situations.   #92   Oct 13, '16, 8:50 am ShrodingersCat Regular Member Join Date: May 10, 2016 Posts: 1,151 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by goout Which is worse? A man who is stupid, offensive, a womanizer? Or Someone who has evidence of it and waits until the damage to the country is irreversible to release it? Well, leaving aside all the other bad things about HC and just focusing on these 2 statements, it's obviously far worse to be a womanizer than to strategically leak damaging but true information. How could you possibly think abuse is less bad?? Plus, Trump would do it too. It's politics.   #93   Oct 13, '16, 8:55 am ShrodingersCat Regular Member Join Date: May 10, 2016 Posts: 1,151 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv I wonder why Trump is only accused of groping not raping? I mean, if Hillary's opponent has to be smeared to be as bad as her, the story line should be accusation of rape, not just groping. I mean, why stop at groping, right? The story should be Trump raped many women while his wife Melania/or daughter Ivanka goes out threatening these same women. Now that would have been a competitive story. Uh, who did HC rape? Your point makes no sense, BC isn't up for election. Both candidates are awful and it sucks that Trump is the pro-life one since that is such an important issue, but I don't get why people defend him and try to deflect from these stories and blame the Clinton empire and their media minions. I mean, based on the evidence we have all heard, these new stories seem plausible.   #94   Oct 13, '16, 9:12 am NormW Junior Member Join Date: December 27, 2012 Posts: 161 Religion: Jesus is Lord! Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv I wonder why Trump is only accused of groping not raping? I mean, if Hillary's opponent has to be smeared to be as bad as her, the story line should be accusation of rape, not just groping. I mean, why stop at groping, right? The story should be Trump raped many women while his wife Melania/or daughter Ivanka goes out threatening these same women. Now that would have been a competitive story. Um, he is accused of rape.   #95   Oct 13, '16, 9:17 am Michael68 Banned Join Date: August 17, 2015 Posts: 5,225 Religion: Cradle Roman Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately These women come out now? Really? I smell something that rhymes with cool whip!!!!!!   #96   Oct 13, '16, 9:20 am Convert in 99 Senior Member Join Date: April 20, 2007 Posts: 8,587 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Michael68 These women come out now? Really? I smell something that rhymes with cool whip!!!!!! Post-Nasal drip? __________________ I side with Pope Francis!   #97   Oct 13, '16, 9:35 am Maximilan Kolbe Banned Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by ShrodingersCat I see where you are coming from, but in my head this would be more relevant if, say, one candidate was pro-euthanasia and one was pro-abortion. You could discern which would be less likely to do damage... say if the abortion laws were well established but there was no euthanasia in your country and you wanted things to stay as they are rather than get worse... some kind of equally-evil-outcome situations. I agree, this is more plausible to invoke what the Bishop's are saying.   #98   Oct 13, '16, 9:41 am Ridgerunner Forum Elder Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,714 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by ShrodingersCat Uh, who did HC rape? Your point makes no sense, BC isn't up for election. Both candidates are awful and it sucks that Trump is the pro-life one since that is such an important issue, but I don't get why people defend him and try to deflect from these stories and blame the Clinton empire and their media minions. I mean, based on the evidence we have all heard, these new stories seem plausible. A story in a newspaper, necessarily hearsay, is not evidence. And it's particularly not "good" evidence when the newspaper is overtly partisan and is using it as part of a campaign strategy to "deflect" from issues that really do affect the populace, like making Catholics "change our religion".   #99   Oct 13, '16, 9:41 am goout Regular Member Join Date: July 29, 2016 Posts: 2,033 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Michael68 These women come out now? Really? I smell something that rhymes with cool whip!!!!!! It;s only right they come out with this now, Cause the most important thing is to win, and if they came out last year, then Trump would never have been a candidate. But, in spite of all this, the American public is just really dumb to even get him this far. __________________ If you want things to change, change YOU. And let God handle his business. The demand for perfection is the enemy of the doable.   #100   Oct 13, '16, 9:42 am karow Regular Member Join Date: March 9, 2011 Posts: 989 Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately The reason these stories became "public decades later" is because the women he assaulted saw him lie during a presidential debate and refused to let him get away with it. Leeds' and Crooks' stories are very much like those of Jill Harth and Temple Taggart, which were already public. Trump has gotten away with this behavior for a very long time. There are certainly lots of women he has abused over many decades. And every member of the Republican Party who has supported this guy, and continues to support him, is abetting his continued abuse. The last thing he needs is more power.   #101   Oct 13, '16, 9:44 am Ridgerunner Forum Elder Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,714 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by karow The reason these stories became "public decades later" is because the women he assaulted saw him lie during a presidential debate and refused to let him get away with it. . Well, that's one explanation. Another is that the NYT kept their stories in the wings until they were needed to divert attention away from things like the "Catholic spring", "taco bowl" and such. It was no secret that the liberal media had other things to hit Trump with, well in advance.   #102   Oct 13, '16, 9:45 am Maximilan Kolbe Banned Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by goout It;s only right they come out with this now, Cause the most important thing is to win, and if they came out last year, then Trump would never have been a candidate. But, in spite of all this, the American public is just really dumb to even get him this far. One could same the same thing about allowing Clinton to be anywhere near a position of power, but you play the cards you are dealt.   #103   Oct 13, '16, 9:47 am Michael68 Banned Join Date: August 17, 2015 Posts: 5,225 Religion: Cradle Roman Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by goout It;s only right they come out with this now, Cause the most important thing is to win, and if they came out last year, then Trump would never have been a candidate. But, in spite of all this, the American public is just really dumb to even get him this far. And you are so much smarter than us? Your candidate is no prize   #104   Oct 13, '16, 9:50 am Joe 5859 Forum Elder Join Date: February 1, 2007 Posts: 20,649 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by ringil Never saw any of this with Bernie? You know we can all say- "oh of course the Clinton's are going to be pushing these stories but we have to wonder why aren't new stories around H. Clinton showing up daily as they are with Trump." Just continuously saying "It's the DNC- It's the media!" doesn't really address these stories. Well, there are plenty of "Hillary email" news items popping up in various outlets, but none of them seem to be making any major waves. It's a lot easier to see what's wrong with sexual assault than sending or deleting emails, so I'm not surprised that the focus is on Trump. The scandal of it can be effectively communicated in 140 characters or less. All the accusations could be true. It wouldn't be that surprising to me. But the timing of it does make me feel very uneasy. I don't like the thought that I am being emotionally manipulated in such a calculated way. But it's hard not to see this whole thing as being orchestrated, regardless of whether or not the accusations are actually true. Note, I'm not defending Trump or his character. I have a full time job already. I don't need another one. __________________ Joe (Average Joe Catholic) The Catechesis of the Popes __________________ A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion. –Proverbs 18:2   #105   Oct 13, '16, 10:27 am queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Trump is on fire refuting the lies of the media! Did they expect this??? I bet not. Oct 13, '16, 10:29 am jtauke Regular Member   Join Date: January 2, 2015 Posts: 1,243 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Ridgerunner Yup. Expected it. True or false, the Dems have been collecting these. Probably one a day until November 8. The last three will be two ten-year-old girls and one boy. So these claims shouldn't be taken seriously,but the one's against Bill should?   #107   Oct 13, '16, 10:30 am _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior   Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,524 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Jerry Falwell Jr. on CNN right now saying Trump told him he has emails from some of the accusers asking him for a job. https://twitter.com/countermoonbat/s...93855449673728 Quote: @CounterMoonbat meaning they are mad bc he didn't give them a job? https://twitter.com/melaniesgore/sta...94844764434434 Quote: .@melaniesgore He wasn't totally clear but implied the emails will show some accusers seeking something from Trump in the past. https://twitter.com/countermoonbat/s...95230065668096 -   #108   Oct 13, '16, 10:32 am jtauke Regular Member   Join Date: January 2, 2015 Posts: 1,243 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv All this vicious evil attack on Trump will result in one thing: the sure destruction of hillary during the 3rd debate. You watch. One thing you don't do is provoke a lion. Now not only he has to fight for the country, he also has to fight for his own very survival. Just like he did in the last debate, his cold anger will hit hillary like a tsunami that she doesn't see coming. Bring it on, Hillary! I assume you think Bill's accusers are just vicious evil attacks as well?   #109   Oct 13, '16, 10:33 am queenofheartscv Regular Member   Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by jtauke I assume you think Bill's accusers are just vicious evil attacks as well? Hillary didn't defend him in the debate, did she? She backed off.   #110   Oct 13, '16, 10:35 am DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia https://twitter.com/countermoonbat/s...93855449673728 https://twitter.com/melaniesgore/sta...94844764434434 https://twitter.com/countermoonbat/s...95230065668096 - If he has those emails, I certainly hope he releases them! __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #111   Oct 13, '16, 11:03 am jtauke Regular Member   Join Date: January 2, 2015 Posts: 1,243 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Hillary didn't defend him in the debate, did she? She backed off. So not dignifying an accusation with a response implies guilt?   #112   Oct 13, '16, 11:06 am _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior   Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,524 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY If he has those emails, I certainly hope he releases them! Trump is doing a rebuttal of the allegations in a speech in West Palm Beach, Florida. He said regarding claims of "inappropriate advances during the interview to this writer" "And I ask very simple question, why wasn't if part of the story that appeared 20 or 12 years ago, why wasn't it part of the story? Why didn't they make it part of the story? I was one of the biggest stars on television with the Apprentice and it would of been one of the biggest stories of the year!" "It was public area, there were people all over the place" And regarding the New York Times story, he said, "with another claim from an individual who has been totally discredited based on the many, many, many emails she has sent to our office over the years, looking for work, Donald is great, wanting to go to my rallies, but the New York Times, and this was a full oped piece, refused to use the evidence that we presented." Last edited by _Abyssinia; Oct 13, '16 at 11:23 am. Reason: Text removed   #113   Oct 13, '16, 11:16 am Thorolfr Regular Member   Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Trump is on fire refuting the lies of the media! Did they expect this??? I bet not. How has Trump refuted the media? I just saw an interview with Arianne Zucker, the woman that Mr. Trump and Billy Bush were talking about before they got off the bus in the Access Hollywood clip, and she said that she had not heard a thing from Mr. Trump or his campaign. It seems like an apology from Mr. Trump would be in order.   #114   Oct 13, '16, 11:19 am stinkcat_14 Veteran Member   Join Date: June 26, 2005 Posts: 10,561 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Ridgerunner When Hillary Clinton insists I must "change my religion", when Afghanistan's army is falling apart, when the abandonment of Iraq gave rise to ISIS, when Russia is telling the U.S. to stay away in Syria, when Hillary turned Libya and Egypt over to terrorist organizations and diverted arms to Islamists in Syria, we're worried about whether Donald Trump has, at times, been a boor? When Clinton's people want to destroy the Catholic Church from within, when they call Americans "deplorables", "irredeemable", "needy Latinos", "taco bowl" voters, "Medieval" church, "rednecks", we're supposed to support that because Trump made crude remarks about loose women who follow stars around? When the economy is in a shambles, the poor are getting poorer, the middle class is declining and manufacturing is leaving the country, we're supposed to believe every accuser against Trump who remained silent for 30 years, and vote for the worst candidate who has ever run for office? And when Hillary Clinton sells her country's interests for money, we're supposed to invite her to do even more of it? No. If Trump is "deeply flawed", Hillary Clinton is so far beyond that description that it's ridiculous to even compare them. Not one voter should vote for her. Not one. Agreed. They are both deeply flawed candidates. Neither one of them is worthy of a vote based on their own merits.   #115   Oct 13, '16, 11:19 am Maximilan Kolbe Banned   Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr How has Trump refuted the media? I just saw an interview with Arianne Zucker, the woman that Mr. Trump and Billy Bush were talking about before they got off the bus in the Access Hollywood clip, and she said that she had not heard a thing from Mr. Trump or his campaign. It seems like an apology from Mr. Trump would be in order. An apology to Nancy O'Dell, while warranted, has little to do with the current allegations he is making pretty strong rebuttals against. Don't conflate.   #116   Oct 13, '16, 11:24 am Michael68 Banned   Join Date: August 17, 2015 Posts: 5,225 Religion: Cradle Roman Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr How has Trump refuted the media? I just saw an interview with Arianne Zucker, the woman that Mr. Trump and Billy Bush were talking about before they got off the bus in the Access Hollywood clip, and she said that she had not heard a thing from Mr. Trump or his campaign. It seems like an apology from Mr. Trump would be in order. He has been refuting the media all day. You can't just lie like this! Oh, wait, your an HRC supporter, I guess you can!   #117   Oct 13, '16, 11:29 am Thorolfr Regular Member   Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Michael68 He has been refuting the media all day. You can't just lie like this! Oh, wait, your an HRC supporter, I guess you can! Maybe he's been trying to refute the allegations against him but that's not the same as saying he has refuted the media (i.e. proved a statement or theory to be wrong or false; disproved).   #118   Oct 13, '16, 11:29 am chero23 Forum Master   Join Date: November 12, 2012 Posts: 15,737 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by Michael68 He has been refuting the media all day. You can't just lie like this! Oh, wait, your an HRC supporter, I guess you can! Why is it, that when Trump brought those women who accussed Clinton of rape, that was seen as something good. But when these other women accuse Trump, its just a withchunt by HRC and the Democrats? Couldn't the same be said about republicans? __________________ Check out my Catholic Apologetic Booklet. 121 themes/doctrines, 5,200 Bible Verses, 192 pages. English https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...bFU/edit?pli=1 Spanish https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...M2c/edit?pli=1 Let others know about my booklet.   #119   Oct 13, '16, 11:30 am goout Regular Member   Join Date: July 29, 2016 Posts: 2,033 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately I am absolutely shocked that Donald Trum would let his passions run amok. Complete surprise to me. I mean, he was on TV and everything. He's a celebrity. Shocking. The American people are dumb almost beyond belief. When you think about it, that is the root of this whole problem and so many others. The American people cannot think their way out of a paper bag. Irony is striking: in the age of faithless rationalism we might be the most intellectually flaccid people ever. __________________ If you want things to change, change YOU. And let God handle his business. The demand for perfection is the enemy of the doable.   #120   Oct 13, '16, 11:30 am chero23 Forum Master   Join Date: November 12, 2012 Posts: 15,737 Religion: Catholic Re: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately Quote: Originally Posted by stinkcat_14 Agreed. They are both deeply flawed candidates. Neither one of them is worthy of a vote based on their own merits. I agree __________________ Check out my Catholic Apologetic Booklet. 121 themes/doctrines, 5,200 Bible Verses, 192 pages. English https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...bFU/edit?pli=1 Spanish https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...M2c/edit?pli=1 Let others know about my booklet.