Re: Trump states pro life, Clinton states pro choice
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I am confused.
I love Hillary Clinton. And while she has been called many things, she has never been called an abortion.
Abortions are at an all-time low under President Barack Obama. People
who truly want to see less abortion will vote for another Democrat,
Hillary Clinton.
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I'm just confused. On a thread entitled "Trump states pro life, Clinton states pro choice", you say "God, I love her."
Hillary wants government funded abortions.
Hillary thinks abortion up to one second prior to birth is fine and dandy.
Hillary opposes no restrictions on abortion.
I would assume you are an informed person and would know these things.
"God, I love her." Yes, I'm quite confused about what you love about her.
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Re: Trump / Clinton--Final Presidential Debate Thread
There's going to be the biggest hue and cry and jumping up and down from
all of the National and Local Cable (including Fox News) and TV Media
for at least the next 5 days and beyond.
But the Republican candidate spoke the Truth: his U.S. Supreme Court Justices will overturn Roe v. Wade and it will go to the states to decide individually on abortion.
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Re: Trump / Clinton--Final Presidential Debate Thread
I thought Trump trounced her, but then again, if you don't have a
problem with late term abortion, same sex marriage, what amounts to
amnesty for illegal aliens, and possible war with Russia, I can see
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I'm just confused. On a thread entitled "Trump states pro life, Clinton states pro choice", you say "God, I love her."
Hillary wants government funded abortions.
Hillary thinks abortion up to one second prior to birth is fine and dandy.
Hillary opposes no restrictions on abortion.
I would assume you are an informed person and would know these things.
"God, I love her." Yes, I'm quite confused about what you love about her.
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It's clear that she is pro-abortion. She's made that pretty apparent since she first started posting here.
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Sick...how HRC talks freely and proudly
about ripping the life from a 9 month baby in the womb and yet fondly
helps the audience recall pictures of poor suffering children she want
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Re: Trump / Clinton--Final Presidential Debate Thread
This was by far Trump's best debate. Clinton was on the ropes most of
the debate and tried on numerous times to change the subject when she
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I agree, it was Trump's best debate. He did well.
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Re: Trump / Clinton--Final Presidential Debate Thread
Clinton trounces Trump once again. Not even close.
Trump disqualified himself when he said he wouldn't commit to accepting the outcome of the election.
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Mike Wallace did a great job as moderator.
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Clinton trounces Trump once again. Not even close.
Trump disqualified himself when he said he wouldn't commit to accepting the outcome of the election.
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Why in the heck should he commit to anything at this
point.Especially considering all the shenanigans going on in thevHC
camp? And,noooo,HC did not trounce Trump.She was shrill.wooden and very
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You won't be laughing if you live long enough to see America
dominated by Islam rather than the Christianity. Then you might recall
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You won't be laughing if you live long
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Then you might recall Trump in a favorable light.
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You won't be laughing if you live long
enough to see America dominated by Islam rather than the Christianity.
Then you might recall Trump in a favorable light.
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Do you have any idea how many Muslims there are in the US?
I don't think you need fear the United States of America turning into the Islamic Republic of America any time soon.
And anyone who tells you otherwise must be a scaremongering bigot if you ask me.
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The son of the late Mike Wallace, Chris Wallace, is the Debate Moderator.
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The winner of the debate was Chris Wallace. He did a great job.
I'm very happy it's the final debate and can hardly wait for the
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God, I love her. Can't wait to call her our president.
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Not thrilled, but I would rather be calling her Madam President as
appears probable than him Mr. President. Luckily this mess is almost
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That is tomorrow's headline right there. Trump is a candidate for
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The winner of the debate was Chris
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can hardly wait for the election to be over. Enough is enough.
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I agree on all counts!
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Not thrilled, but I would rather be
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Luckily this mess is almost over... at least for another three years
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He'd have to have a basis of doing so. Simply being upset he got his backside handed to him is not such a basis.
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Even the likes of Richard Nixon did not contest his close election
defeat to JFK. I sincerely hope that Trump does not contest if he
loses. He would be making a mockery of democracy if he chooses to do so,
as well as a fool of himself. Hardly anyone will care very much at that
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Do you have any idea how many Muslims there are in the US?
I don't think you need fear the United States of America turning into the Islamic Republic of America any time soon.
And anyone who tells you otherwise is a scaremongering bigot.
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Where have you been? Do you have any idea what has happened to Europe lately? Or France and UK in the past 15 years?
Spare me and others name calling...I'm not calling you names.
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Why in the heck should he commit to
anything at this point.Especially considering all the shenanigans going
on in thevHC camp? And,noooo,HC did not trounce Trump.She was
shrill.wooden and very rote in her responses.
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Exactly. If the election actually gets rigged and she wins because
of voter fraud, than why would Trump just back off and be okay with
that? He was right to say that he will wait and see. I'd expect her to
wait and see as well.
And liberals shouldn't be acting all angry and shocked about this kind
of thing anyway. After all, the talk on how George W. Bush won in 2000
has spouted more than one liberal conspiracy theory. Can't say on
whether there was any truth to that one.
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Hardly anyone will care very much at that point.
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Trump is not a politician. It is pretty clear. He is Pro-Life and would
at least fight for Christian values. He's not perfect, but maybe God can
use him?
I would have liked some other republican candidate, but it is what it
is. HRC is fine with aborting 9 month old babies and sees problems withe
the Church and also incompetent.
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Where have you been? Do you have any idea what has happened to Europe lately? Or France and UK in the past 15 years?
Spare me and others name calling...I'm not calling you names.
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I'm not calling you names my friend or anyone else for that
matter. Its hyperbolic speech designed to highlight my incongruity over
the idea that the tiny number of Muslims in the U.S. could ever
"dominate" the country.
You know, Catholics weree spoken of in not dissimilar terms once by our
fundamentalist Protestant brethren, as recently as JFK's election. We
seem to have shorter memories these days.
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My favorite post-debate comment came from conservative talk show host
(and Trump supporter) Hugh Hewitt, commenting on Mr. Trump's refusal to
say that he would accept the result of the election no matter who won:
"I was prepared to say that he won 14 out of 15 rounds, but then he hit himself in the head and knocked himself out."
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The winner of the debate was Chris
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Not only did he do an incredible job, he absolutely embarrassed
previous moderators. Step aside kids, let the expert show you how it's
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Trump's refusal to accept the election results is chilling. Truly beyond the pale.
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Trump's refusal to accept the election results is chilling. Truly beyond the pale.
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Compared to what in this election cycle? I think the chill has worn thin.
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Trump's refusal to accept the election results is chilling. Truly beyond the pale.
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Nice spin, but he never refused. He said that he would wait and see how the election goes.
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Nice spin, but he never refused. He said that he would wait and see how the election goes.
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Nice spin, but he never refused. He said that he would wait and see how the election goes.
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That's the point though. He's waiting to see what happens. Which means....?
If he wins, the election was presumably legit
If he doesn't.............
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Compared to what in this election cycle? I think the chill has worn thin.
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Trump's refusal to accept the election results is chilling. Truly beyond the pale.
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HRC thinks it is horrifying because that means she must keep Wikileaks at bay longer than planned or able.
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That's the point though. He's waiting to see what happens. Which means....?
If he wins, the election was presumably legit
If he doesn't.............
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If a presidential candidate winds up seeing that his/her opponent
won due to mass voter fraud, would you expect him/her to be okay with
that? Would YOU be okay with the candidate that you are against winning
due to mass voter fraud?
Come on, stop trying to make an issue where this is none. He said that
he would wait and see how the election goes, not that he would
absolutely refuse to accept her as president.
Plus, should she win fair and square and he still doesn't accept that he
lost, he can't actually stop her from becoming president, so what is
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I do reckon that this, beyond even the assault allegations, will be viewed by history as the straw that broke the camel's back.
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It really is a downward spiral for him. History will not be kind to him.
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HRC thinks it is horrifying because that means she must keep Wikileaks at bay longer than planned or able.
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What would Trump's contesting the election say about his character, not that we need more evidence? A fighter? Or a sore loser?
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Even the likes of Richard Nixon did not
contest his close election defeat to JFK. I sincerely hope that Trump
does not contest if he loses. He would be making a mockery of democracy
if he chooses to do so, as well as a fool of himself. Hardly anyone will
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Sadly our democracy has already been mocked and for quite sometime according to
Wikileaks.
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Not only did he do an incredible job, he
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Absolutely best moderator performance by a mile. Put everyone else
to shame. That's how it's done, folks. Never thought I'd say this about
someone from Fox News but I call it as I see it. Nothing but respect
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He was phenomenal and managed to maintain objectivity, not to mention an
impressive show of supreme patience as the debate quickly spiralled out
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Hillary Clinton now see's Russians behind everything, and yet we should
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It really is a downward spiral for him. History will not be kind to him.
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help - the election has been rigged in more ways than one in favor of
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My only lasting impression from watching the debate is that Trump has
effectively handed the presidency to Clinton gift-wrapped with express
delivery to the White House.
He might as well just have shown up at the auditorium with a red ribbon
in his hair. He is the gift that keeps on giving to Mrs. Clinton. Like
Christmas come early it must be for her....
What did he do - even once throughout that debate - to win over Independents, Dems or recalcitrant "NeverTrump" Republicans?
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Post Debate Meditation
I don't have to get worked up.
I don't have to get depressed.
I just have to use
my conscience
and vote.
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Re: Trump / Clinton--Final Presidential Debate Thread
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Post Debate Meditation
I don't have to get worked up.
I don't have to get depressed.
I just have to use
my conscience
and vote.
-- Fr. James Martin, S.J.
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Very sound and edifying advice for voters I think
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Re: Trump / Clinton--Final Presidential Debate Thread
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Hillary Clinton now see's Russians behind
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Yes she was very indignant about Russia ( ).
Meanwhile, her own house could use some cleaning! I thought I caught
Hillary even looking guilty a few times tonight like she got her hand
caught in the cookie jar!
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Re: Trump / Clinton--Final Presidential Debate Thread
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Yes she was very indignant about Russia ( ).
Meanwhile, her own house could use some cleaning! I thought I caught
Hillary even looking guilty a few times tonight like she got her hand
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He did land one deft blow over the Clinton foundation.
But then it became a shout-a-thon harangue of a slogging match again
over Haiti after she hit back about the Trump Foundation paying for his
lawsuits.
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Re: Trump / Clinton--Final Presidential Debate Thread
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What would Trump's contesting the election say about his character, not that we need more evidence? A fighter? Or a sore loser?
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A fighter if there is proof! I think he realizes now the
unscrupulous people he is up against. Any other Republican would quietly
go home even though they know they were duped.
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A fighter if there is proof! I think he
realizes now the unscrupulous people he is up against. Any other
Republican would quietly go home even though they know they were duped.
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A fighter?
More like a " rebel without a cause" (just not anywhere near as pretty as James Dean ).....
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Re: Trump / Clinton--Final Presidential Debate Thread
I think the last time an election WAS TRULY CONTESTED, his name was AL Gore.
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Re: Trump / Clinton--Final Presidential Debate Thread
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A fighter?
More like a "rebel without a cause"......
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Or a zany clown. I don't know why all these spooky clowns keep hogging the media...
But seriously. Again I say the winner was the moderator. Chris Wallace
was very good. Firm with the audience and both candidates and I think
very fair. I was half-expecting a Fox News shill.
Clinton was the only one who answered with any substance. Trump's
answers were vague and nebulous - "we're gonna make X great, believe me.
World class" That doesn't say anything on substance.
The "nasty woman" comments under his breath were uncalled for in adult civil discourse.
But I also didn't like how Clinton kept re-rolling over Trump's
controversies. Surely there's a time and place to mention them. But they
came up at odd times.
Ultimately I don't think the debate will change much. Trump will go into
November 8th with these polling numbers. He didn't help his cause at
all. He melted down in the second half and gave the media sound bites
that he'll be raked across the coals for weeks for. Clinton didn't
deliver a knockout punch, but she didn't do poorly.
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Re: Trump / Clinton--Final Presidential Debate Thread
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My only lasting impression from watching
the debate is that Trump has effectively handed the presidency to
Clinton gift-wrapped with express delivery to the White House.
He might as well just have shown up at the auditorium with a red ribbon
in his hair. He is the gift that keeps on giving to Mrs. Clinton. Like
Christmas come early it must be for her....
What did he do - even once throughout that debate - to win over Independents, Dems or recalcitrant "NeverTrump" Republicans?
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Trump won again hands down. Clinton clearly looked uncomfortable many times.
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Re: Trump / Clinton--Final Presidential Debate Thread
I'd have been very disappointed in Donald Trump if he simply said he'd
accept a Clinton victory in November. How many times did Republican
candidates in the primaries make a case that HC needs to go to prison ?
Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Ben Carson, Carly Fiorina, they all pretty much
held that opinion. So if she wins in 3 weeks, all that get's forgotten
and we get behind our new president ?
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Re: Trump / Clinton--Final Presidential Debate Thread
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I think the last time an election WAS TRULY CONTESTED, his name was AL Gore.
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Yes and it wasn't that long ago and the democrats never got over it!
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Re: Trump / Clinton--Final Presidential Debate Thread
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Or a zany clown. I don't know why all these spooky clowns keep hogging the media...
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I'm sure it must be Hillary Clinton that's to blame for the
upsurge in creepy clowns. Just as she is for, you know, ISIS and the
birther movement and the financial crisis and influenza and war and
famine and Trump's terrible dyed-blonde hair-do and everything else
that's bad in the world 
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But seriously. Again I say the winner was the moderator. Chris Wallace
was very good. Firm with the audience and both candidates and I think
very fair. I was half-expecting a Fox News shill.
Clinton was the only one who answered with any substance. Trump's
answers were vague and nebulous - "we're gonna make X great, believe me.
World class" That doesn't say anything on substance.
The "nasty woman" comments under his breath were uncalled for in adult civil discourse.
But I also didn't like how Clinton kept re-rolling over Trump's
controversies. Surely there's a time and place to mention them. But they
came up at odd times.
Ultimately I don't think the debate will change much. Trump will go into
November 8th with these polling numbers. He didn't help his cause at
all. He melted down in the second half and gave the media sound bites
that he'll be raked across the coals for weeks for. Clinton didn't
deliver a knockout punch, but she didn't do poorly.
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All excellent points that you've raised and a penetrating analysis to boot.
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Re: Trump / Clinton--Final Presidential Debate Thread
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It really is a downward spiral for him. History will not be kind to him.
On January 20th the ultimate glass ceiling will be shattered by President Hillary Clinton.
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With the shattering of religious freedom to follow in short order.
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I think the last time an election WAS TRULY CONTESTED, his name was AL Gore.
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And that was when the election wasn't settled due to the close
vote in FL and an automatic recount and with that, the Electoral College
up in the air. Gore had won the popular vote of course. That was
Trump's major downfall tonight. He should have said barring an unusually
rare circumstance, yes I most certainly will accept the outcome because
that's what makes America already great.
Well that was a downfall along with him saying he didn't know any of the
women accusing him of sexual assault and then his interruption of
Hillary Clinton saying she was a nasty women. I know all of that plays
well to his immovable base but I don't see where the needle was moved
tonight.
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Re: Trump / Clinton--Final Presidential Debate Thread
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With the shattering of religious freedom to follow in short order.
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And constitutional government if her adversary makes good with his promises.
I mean, let's reflect on this for a moment...
Since Clinton is now beating him by sizeable margins in the polls, Trump
questions her right to run for the presidency, suggests that he need
not accept the outcome if she proves victorious on election day and
claims that his first act as president - if he does win - will be to
lock her up in jail.
If you ask me, that is one hell of a serious threat to undermine the
very basis of your republic and the values it was designed to uphold -
not to mention the basic and universal conventions of fair competition.
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Re: Trump / Clinton--Final Presidential Debate Thread
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And constitutional government if her adversary makes good with his promises.
I mean, let's reflect on this for a moment...
Since Clinton is now beating him by sizeable margins in the polls, Trump
questions her right to run for the presidency, suggests that he need
not accept the outcome if she proves victorious on election day and
claims that his first act as president - if he does win - will be to
lock her up in jail.
If you ask me, that is one he'll of a serious threat to undermine the
very basis of your republic and the values it was designed to uphold.
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Re: Trump / Clinton--Final Presidential Debate Thread
It's a 3-debate sweep for HC in CNN's scientific polling.
(CNN)Hillary Clinton won the final presidential debate 52% to 39% for
Donald Trump, according to a CNN / ORC poll of debate watchers.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/19/politi...oll/index.html
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Re: Trump states pro life, Clinton states pro choice
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Yes, it's really black and white. I would
hope every pro-life individual stand united with all of us and with
Trump & Pence, because there is a real chance here, not just words.
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THIS. Yes.
No true Catholic, no true Christian, could ever think to vote for
someone who believes it is acceptable to take the lives of the smallest
and most defenseless among us.
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THIS. Yes.
No true Catholic, no true Christian, could ever think to vote for
someone who believes it is acceptable to take the lives of the smallest
and most defenseless among us.
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There are those of other Christian faiths who wouldn't agree. People of faith who even your church calls Christian.
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Since Clinton is now beating him by sizeable margins in the polls, Trump
questions her right to run for the presidency, suggests that he need
not accept the outcome if she proves victorious on election day and
claims that his first act as president - if he does win - will be to
lock her up in jail.
If you ask me, that is one hell of a serious threat to undermine the
very basis of your republic and the values it was designed to uphold -
not to mention the basic and universal conventions of fair competition.
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What I read just hours ago is that Trump is ahead of her in the polls.
And I haven't even seen it debated that she rigged the election against
Bernie Sanders. I'm sorry, but cheating and rigging elections are NOT 'FAIR COMPETITION.'
I'm no Bernie Sanders fan, but I would like to know how it is she's
allowed to run as the Democratic nominee at all, if it's known she
rigged...read, CHEATED...in the primaries. Why wasn't there a recount?
Why weren't the ballots re-cast--fairly this time!--to determine the
real winner? Why is someone who cheated allowed to run at all?
When there's evidence of cheating and voter fraud, the results...make that 'results'...SHOULD be questioned.
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Re: Trump / Clinton--Final Presidential Debate Thread
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She won the debate according to the YouGov poll, too.
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Re: Trump / Clinton--Final Presidential Debate Thread
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She won the debate according to the YouGov poll, too.
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That's a scientific poll too, right? I think I remember you
posting that poll last time as well and you commented she won the only
scientific ones of the night. 
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Re: Trump / Clinton--Final Presidential Debate Thread
The moderator was great.
The audience was undisciplined and rude.
You guys have pretty much covered the debate except for the closing statements.
Hillary Clinton's closing statement was positive, hopeful, the American
dream. Empty promises too, but no negativity and no mention of her
opponent.
Donald Trump began and ended his closing statement with negative remarks
about his opponent. He spoke of problems we face, and delivered his
trademark promise to make America great again.
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Re: Trump / Clinton--Final Presidential Debate Thread
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What I read just hours ago is that Trump is ahead of her in the polls.
And I haven't even seen it debated that she rigged the election against
Bernie Sanders. I'm sorry, but cheating and rigging elections are NOT 'FAIR COMPETITION.'
I'm no Bernie Sanders fan, but I would like to know how it is she's
allowed to run as the Democratic nominee at all, if it's known she
rigged...read, CHEATED...in the primaries. Why wasn't there a recount?
Why weren't the ballots re-cast--fairly this time!--to determine the
real winner? Why is someone who cheated allowed to run at all?
When there's evidence of cheating and voter fraud, the results...make that 'results'...SHOULD be questioned.
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Hmmm... maybe because there was no need to recount when she won by
over 3 million votes nationwide and a 55% to 45% margin among
Democratic primary voters. And I say that as someone who is a Bernie
Sanders fan. But this thread is not about Bernie Sanders.
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Re: Trump / Clinton--Final Presidential Debate Thread
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I think the last time an election WAS TRULY CONTESTED, his name was AL Gore.
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They seem to forget that!
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They seem to forget that!
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Nope no one forgets. See post 92.
And Trump supporters' arguments are a revision of history. Gore was
largely lauded for pursuing – and ultimately dropping – his challenge to
the election results in 2000. Florida's vote count that year showed
Gore losing by a fraction of a percentage point to Bush, just a few
hundred votes. Gore pursued a recount and legal options, before
accepting defeat after the Supreme Court ruled.
“I accept the finality of the outcome, which will be ratified next
Monday in the Electoral College,” Gore said on Dec. 13, 2000. “And
tonight, for the sake of our unity as a people and the strength of our
democracy, I offer my concession.”
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...results-230062
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Re: Trump / Clinton--Final Presidential Debate Thread
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What I read just hours ago is that Trump is ahead of her in the polls.
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Nope.
Quinnipiac 10/17 - 10/18 1007 LV 3.1 50 44 Clinton +6
Economist/YouGov 10/15 - 10/18 925 RV 3.9 47 43 Clinton +4
FOX News 10/15 - 10/17 912 LV 3.0 49 42 Clinton +7
IBD/TIPP 10/13 - 10/18 782 LV 3.6 44 41 Clinton +3
LA Times/USC Tracking 10/12 - 10/18 3019 LV 4.5 44 44 Tie
Bloomberg 10/14 - 10/17 1006 LV 3.1 50 41 Clinton +9
Reuters/Ipsos 10/13 - 10/17 1190 LV 3.3 43 39 Clinton +4
Monmouth 10/14 - 10/16 726 LV 3.6 53 41 Clinton +12
CBS News 10/12 - 10/16 1189 LV 3.0 51 40 Clinton +11
NBC News/SM 10/10 - 10/16 24804 LV 1.0 51 43 Clinton +8
ABC News/Wash Post 10/10 - 10/13 740 LV 4.0 50 46 Clinton +4
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 10/10 - 10/13 905 LV 3.3 51 41 Clinton +10
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Re: Trump / Clinton--Final Presidential Debate Thread
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And constitutional government if her adversary makes good with his promises.
I mean, let's reflect on this for a moment...
Since Clinton is now beating him by sizeable margins in the polls, Trump
questions her right to run for the presidency, suggests that he need
not accept the outcome if she proves victorious on election day and
claims that his first act as president - if he does win - will be to
lock her up in jail.
If you ask me, that is one hell of a serious threat to undermine the
very basis of your republic and the values it was designed to uphold -
not to mention the basic and universal conventions of fair competition.
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How would not recognizing her victory threaten Constitutional
government? How would having her jailed for the crimes she has committed
be worrisome?
Further, the concept of constitutional government, government with the
consent of the governed, is already entirely eroded. Breathtakingly
aggregious executive orders undermining states rights. An unelected
judicial branch making up laws and rights. The directors of the EEOC and
Civil Rights Commission, both of whom will remain in their posts under
Clinton, flat out making statements that propose a redefinition of
freedom of religion as freedom of worship, a complete stripping away of
protection for conscience.
And the most radical pro-abortion platform ever put forward, including taxpayer funded abortions.
No, fellow Catholic, I am not concerned about the Constituion as the dems, as is their want, have successfully euthanized it.
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Re: Trump / Clinton--Final Presidential Debate Thread
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What I read just hours ago is that Trump is ahead of her in the polls.
And I haven't even seen it debated that she rigged the election against
Bernie Sanders. I'm sorry, but cheating and rigging elections are NOT 'FAIR COMPETITION.'
I'm no Bernie Sanders fan, but I would like to know how it is she's
allowed to run as the Democratic nominee at all, if it's known she
rigged...read, CHEATED...in the primaries. Why wasn't there a recount?
Why weren't the ballots re-cast--fairly this time!--to determine the
real winner? Why is someone who cheated allowed to run at all?
When there's evidence of cheating and voter fraud, the results...make that 'results'...SHOULD be questioned.
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What polls have you been reading? Even Rasmussen had Clinton ahead for some time before the debate.
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My favorite post-debate comment came from
conservative talk show host (and Trump supporter) Hugh Hewitt,
commenting on Mr. Trump's refusal to say that he would accept the result
of the election no matter who won:
"I was prepared to say that he won 14 out of 15 rounds, but then he hit himself in the head and knocked himself out."
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Yep, every headline I've seen has grabbed on to the statements by
Trump about not agreeing to abide by the election results. Nothing
else's discussed will end up mattering. Trump shot his own campaign in
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That is CNN. What else would you expect? They have to show Clinton ahead.
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Nope.
Quinnipiac 10/17 - 10/18 1007 LV 3.1 50 44 Clinton +6
Economist/YouGov 10/15 - 10/18 925 RV 3.9 47 43 Clinton +4
FOX News 10/15 - 10/17 912 LV 3.0 49 42 Clinton +7
IBD/TIPP 10/13 - 10/18 782 LV 3.6 44 41 Clinton +3
LA Times/USC Tracking 10/12 - 10/18 3019 LV 4.5 44 44 Tie
Bloomberg 10/14 - 10/17 1006 LV 3.1 50 41 Clinton +9
Reuters/Ipsos 10/13 - 10/17 1190 LV 3.3 43 39 Clinton +4
Monmouth 10/14 - 10/16 726 LV 3.6 53 41 Clinton +12
CBS News 10/12 - 10/16 1189 LV 3.0 51 40 Clinton +11
NBC News/SM 10/10 - 10/16 24804 LV 1.0 51 43 Clinton +8
ABC News/Wash Post 10/10 - 10/13 740 LV 4.0 50 46 Clinton +4
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 10/10 - 10/13 905 LV 3.3 51 41 Clinton +10
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Well I guess 1 tie by a poll that has been an outlier all season doesn't count as a lead?
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She won the debate according to the YouGov poll, too.
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Hillary also won according to the CNN/ORC poll:
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Thanks for taking the high road on this.
We should all not only pray for one another, but also remember as we
post here that these people we are slamming are our brothers and sisters
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Clinton trounces Trump once again. Not even close.
Trump disqualified himself when he said he wouldn't commit to accepting the outcome of the election.
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Al Gore didn't and it should have been pointed out. Heck, Gore sued to get a recount that went on and on.
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I'd have been very disappointed in Donald
Trump if he simply said he'd accept a Clinton victory in November. How
many times did Republican candidates in the primaries make a case that
HC needs to go to prison ? Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Ben Carson, Carly
Fiorina, they all pretty much held that opinion. So if she wins in 3
weeks, all that get's forgotten and we get behind our new president ?
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Yes. That is how the peaceful transfer of power takes place.
Our Constitution allows for the impeachment (and possible removal) of a
president suspected of committing criminal acts. Until that happens, we
accept that the person elected by the people is the president.
And if it wasn't the candidate you wanted, you have two choices:
1) Start campaigning for the 2020 election.
2) Take up arms and attempt an overthrow of the government.
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And constitutional government if her adversary makes good with his promises.
I mean, let's reflect on this for a moment...
Since Clinton is now beating him by sizeable margins in the polls, Trump
questions her right to run for the presidency, suggests that he need
not accept the outcome if she proves victorious on election day and
claims that his first act as president - if he does win - will be to
lock her up in jail.
If you ask me, that is one hell of a serious threat to undermine the
very basis of your republic and the values it was designed to uphold -
not to mention the basic and universal conventions of fair competition.
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My draw dropped into my lap when I heard Trump say he would not commit to accepting the outcome of the election.
The peaceful transfer of power is at the foundation of our country's governmental system.
Seriously, I have been afraid of Trump's power since the primaries --
and I am absolutely NOT a conspiracy theory type of person. In this
house, we mock conspiracy theorists for fun!
But he has so much power with his money and his connections. To hear him
spout rhetoric like this just strikes me as terrifying and possibly
even foreboding.
Praying and praying and praying...
And making sure we have our emergency preparedness supplies in order in
case the country dissolves into anarchy and violence on November 9 when
it's confirmed that HC has won the election... or if there's a zombie
apocalypse... or a 3-day blizzard.
In any event, we'll be prepared. 
And for now, I'm voting for Evan McMullin. He won't win, but at least I'll have a clear conscience.
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Al Gore didn't and it should have been pointed out. Heck, Gore sued to get a recount that went on and on.
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All this whining and crying about what if. Al Gore actually did it. Where's all the whining and crying over that "crisis"?
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And constitutional government if her adversary makes good with his promises.
I mean, let's reflect on this for a moment...
Since Clinton is now beating him by sizeable margins in the polls, Trump
questions her right to run for the presidency, suggests that he need
not accept the outcome if she proves victorious on election day and
claims that his first act as president - if he does win - will be to
lock her up in jail.
If you ask me, that is one hell of a serious threat to undermine the
very basis of your republic and the values it was designed to uphold -
not to mention the basic and universal conventions of fair competition.
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He said he would appoint a commission to look into what she did. He knows he can't lock her up just like that.
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Al Gore didn't and it should have been pointed out. Heck, Gore sued to get a recount that went on and on.
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On the other hand, the study also found that Gore probably would
have won, by a range of 42 to 171 votes out of 6 million cast, had there
been a broad recount of all disputed ballots statewide. However, Gore
never asked for such a recount. The Florida Supreme Court ordered only a
recount of so-called "undervotes," about 62,000 ballots where voting
machines didn’t detect any vote for a presidential candidate.
The newspaper said that Gore might have won narrowly if lenient
standards were used that counted every mark on a ballot. "But," it said,
"Gore could not have won without a hand count of overvote ballots,
something that he did not request."
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/01/the...count-of-2000/
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The media is so funny. They decided the story was that he wouldn't
commit to the results. All that talk of issues and then this is the
story.....
Never mind that man behind the curtain
And of course, these are not the droids you are looking for.....
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O for 3 here! I have scrupulously ignored all of them. My vote goes for
the one who will cause the least damage to the Church, if not exactly
leave her alone. The past week's events have clarified that quite a bit.
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He said he would appoint a commission to look into what she did. He knows he can't lock her up just like that.
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His supporters must be unaware since they shout "lock her up".
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On the other hand, the study also found
that Gore probably would have won, by a range of 42 to 171 votes out of 6
million cast, had there been a broad recount of all disputed ballots
statewide. However, Gore never asked for such a recount. The Florida
Supreme Court ordered only a recount of so-called "undervotes," about
62,000 ballots where voting machines didn’t detect any vote for a
presidential candidate.
The newspaper said that Gore might have won narrowly if lenient
standards were used that counted every mark on a ballot. "But," it said,
"Gore could not have won without a hand count of overvote ballots,
something that he did not request."
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So you have fake outrage over Trump saying he'd wait to accept? Gore doesn't seem to bother you
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So you have fake outrage over Trump saying he'd wait to accept? Gore doesn't seem to bother you
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No. Again you can see my real outrage over what Trump said in post 92.
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The media is so funny. They decided the
story was that he wouldn't commit to the results. All that talk of
issues and then this is the story.....
Never mind that man behind the curtain
And of course, these are not the droids you are looking for.....
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Refusing to commit to the result of the election is miles away the most important and frightening thing said tonight.
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and notice she is wearing white - like an innocent angel (who believes in the killing of the unborn).
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Refusing to commit to the result of the election is miles away the most important and frightening thing said tonight.
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I'd feel the same way if I didn't believe in the right to bear
arms. So probably just little less than 1/2 the country is sleeping
lightly tonight.
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I'd feel the same way if I didn't believe
in the right to bear arms. So probably just little less than 1/2 the
country is sleeping lightly tonight.
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The people sleeping the best were rooting for the Cubs.
Hallelujah!
Praise the LORD, my soul;
I will praise the LORD all my life,
sing praise to my God while I live.
Put no trust in princes,
in children of Adam powerless to save.
Who breathing his last, returns to the earth;
that day all his planning comes to nothing.
Blessed the one whose help is the God of Jacob,
whose hope is in the LORD, his God,
The maker of heaven and earth,
the seas and all that is in them,
Who keeps faith forever,
secures justice for the oppressed,
who gives bread to the hungry.
The LORD sets prisoners free;
the LORD gives sight to the blind.
The LORD raises up those who are bowed down;
the LORD loves the righteous.
The LORD protects the resident alien,
comes to the aid of the orphan and the widow,
but thwarts the way of the wicked.
The LORD shall reign forever,
your God, Zion, through all generations!
Hallelujah!
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Originally Posted by Sy Noe
That was Trump's major downfall tonight.
He should have said barring an unusually rare circumstance, yes I most
certainly will accept the outcome because that's what makes America
already great..
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I don't think it makes America great for Hillary's campaign to go
around paying mentally ill people and others to agitate and create
fights at the rallies of Mr. Trump. The video shows it is true.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ng-they-hire-/
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/2174...trump-rallies/
https://www.conservativereview.com/c...-trump-rallies
Hillary claims that Putin is meddling in the US elections, but the video
clearly shows that it is her campaign that is playing dirty. Since her
campaign is using dishonest methods to win the election, I would say
that Mr. Trump is right to refuse to support her if she wins.
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Al Gore didn't and it should have been pointed out. Heck, Gore sued to get a recount that went on and on.
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Gore eventually accepted the results of the election. He exhausted his legal remedies, then he gave in.
Trump could have answered that way, that is: Of course, I'd reserve
the right to contest certain results like Mr. Gore did, that would be my
right and my duty to my voters, just as it was for him, but yes, at
some point you have to accept the results you get and move on.
Instead, he played right into Clinton's obvious baiting and grumbled about the Emmys, for crying out loud.
He's a puppet who will hand his strings to just about anybody.
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Originally Posted by EasterJoy
The people sleeping the best were rooting for the Cubs.
Hallelujah!
Praise the LORD, my soul;
I will praise the LORD all my life,
sing praise to my God while I live.
Put no trust in princes,
in children of Adam powerless to save.
Who breathing his last, returns to the earth;
that day all his planning comes to nothing.
Blessed the one whose help is the God of Jacob,
whose hope is in the LORD, his God,
The maker of heaven and earth,
the seas and all that is in them,
Who keeps faith forever,
secures justice for the oppressed,
who gives bread to the hungry.
The LORD sets prisoners free;
the LORD gives sight to the blind.
The LORD raises up those who are bowed down;
the LORD loves the righteous.
The LORD protects the resident alien,
comes to the aid of the orphan and the widow,
but thwarts the way of the wicked.
The LORD shall reign forever,
your God, Zion, through all generations!
Hallelujah!
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Amen! Hallelujah!
Well you know I meant that in the nicest possible way.
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It's clear that she is pro-abortion. She's made that pretty apparent since she first started posting here.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gertabelle
Yes. That is how the peaceful transfer of power takes place.
Our Constitution allows for the impeachment (and possible removal) of a
president suspected of committing criminal acts. Until that happens, we
accept that the person elected by the people is the president.
And if it wasn't the candidate you wanted, you have two choices:
1) Start campaigning for the 2020 election.
2) Take up arms and attempt an overthrow of the government.
My draw dropped into my lap when I heard Trump say he would not commit to accepting the outcome of the election.
The peaceful transfer of power is at the foundation of our country's governmental system.
Seriously, I have been afraid of Trump's power since the primaries --
and I am absolutely NOT a conspiracy theory type of person. In this
house, we mock conspiracy theorists for fun!
But he has so much power with his money and his connections. To hear him
spout rhetoric like this just strikes me as terrifying and possibly
even foreboding.
Praying and praying and praying...
And making sure we have our emergency preparedness supplies in order in
case the country dissolves into anarchy and violence on November 9 when
it's confirmed that HC has won the election... or if there's a zombie
apocalypse... or a 3-day blizzard.
In any event, we'll be prepared.
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The people sleeping the best were rooting for the Cubs.
Hallelujah!
Praise the LORD, my soul;
I will praise the LORD all my life,
sing praise to my God while I live.
Put no trust in princes,
in children of Adam powerless to save.
Who breathing his last, returns to the earth;
that day all his planning comes to nothing.
Blessed the one whose help is the God of Jacob,
whose hope is in the LORD, his God,
The maker of heaven and earth,
the seas and all that is in them,
Who keeps faith forever,
secures justice for the oppressed,
who gives bread to the hungry.
The LORD sets prisoners free;
the LORD gives sight to the blind.
The LORD raises up those who are bowed down;
the LORD loves the righteous.
The LORD protects the resident alien,
comes to the aid of the orphan and the widow,
but thwarts the way of the wicked.
The LORD shall reign forever,
your God, Zion, through all generations!
Hallelujah!
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Or those in the swing state of Ohio or with NE OH ties.
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Gore eventually accepted the results of the election. He exhausted his legal remedies, then he gave in.
Trump could have answered that way, that is: Of course, I'd reserve
the right to contest certain results like Mr. Gore did, that would be my
right and my duty to my voters, just as it was for him, but yes, at
some point you have to accept the results you get and move on.
Instead, he played right into Clinton's obvious baiting and grumbled about the Emmys, for crying out loud.
He's a puppet who will hand his strings to just about anybody.
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Well it all fairness it has to be about him and he thought Celeb Apprentice should have won an Emmy.
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Refusing to commit to the result of the election is miles away the most important and frightening thing said tonight.
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Well it depends who you are. If you have escaped the womb or
not.... If you are in the military.... Or if you live in a city that
will be retaliated against if war with Russia breaks out in some sort of
" I love the 80s throwback". Or if you like to go to mass without fear
of being attacked. Then no, refusing to have a concession speech is not
the scariest thing....
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She dresses like the president of North Korea
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You commented on 7 Sorrows' remarks that she was wearing white.
She also wore white on the evening she accepted the nomination for
President. It's very intentional - aren't you aware?
The suffragettes all wore white as they fought and were jailed and
sometimes killed for their fight for women's rights. It is a very strong
feminist statement Mrs Clinton is making.
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Fear of being attacked for going to Mass? Isn't that a bit hyperbolic? I
mean... I can sort of see the "they'll make our schools insurance cover
birth control and that's violating my religious freedom" argument. But
being physically attacked for attending church?
And as for babies... I don't understand why everyone thinks Trump will
support pro-life policies. He changes his tune whenever it's politically
convenient for him. To whit... Meet the Press in 1999. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsOlXidHXRE
Yes, he's waving the pro-life banner now. But will that pandering actually materialize under a Trump administration?
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Originally Posted by ComplineSanFran
You commented on 7 Sorrows' remarks that
she was wearing white. She also wore white on the evening she accepted
the nomination for President. It's very intentional - aren't you aware?
The suffragettes all wore white as they fought and were jailed and
sometimes killed for their fight for women's rights. It is a very strong
feminist statement Mrs Clinton is making.
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Given that suffragettes such as Susan B. Anthony were adamant that
killing babies was not a path to rights for women, I'm not sure that
Mrs. Clinton quite belongs in that camp.
After all, roughly 1 of every two of those murdered children is female.
Perhaps, in the eyes of those pro-abortion, some females are more life
(and the rights which attend to being alive) worthy than others?
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Fear of being attacked for going to Mass?
Isn't that a bit hyperbolic? I mean... I can sort of see the "they'll
make our schools insurance cover birth control and that's violating my
religious freedom" argument. But being physically attacked for attending
church?
And as for babies... I don't understand why everyone thinks Trump will
support pro-life policies. He changes his tune whenever it's politically
convenient for him. To whit... Meet the Press in 1999. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsOlXidHXRE
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As for the pro life aspect. We spend hours in front of the blessed
sacrament, we articulate our arguments we pray for conversions of hearts
and then when someone changes thier mind about abortion they are not to
be trusted? Well I trust Hillary when it comes to abortion. I trust her
when she says what she says. I believe her 100 percent.
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As for the pro life aspect. We spend hours in front of the blessed
sacrament, we articulate our arguments we pray for conversions of hearts
and then when someone changes thier mind about abortion they are not to
be trusted? Well I trust Hillary when it comes to abortion. I trust her
when she says what she says. I believe her 100 percent.
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I don't see the connection between a terrorist attach in France,
and how that means a Clinton presidency means average joe six-pack
people in the US will be assaulted for going to church. Without a lot of
hand-waving and over-reaching.
And perhaps I'm just more cynical, but I just can't give the benefit of
the doubt to someone who has changed their tune so many times in this
election cycle alone, let alone recent memory. Though I will concede
that for the anti-abortionist it is reasonable to say "even if there's a
chance he'll stay true to the pro-life movement, that's better than
someone who definitely is pro-choice."
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Yes, it's really black and white. I would
hope every pro-life individual stand united with all of us and with
Trump & Pence, because there is a real chance here, not just words.
If not now, when? if not Trump & Pence, who?
I hope this has helped
God Bless You
Thank you for reading
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Only if you believe Trump is not lying and he's been caught out
repeatedly in misstatements all along. Remember, this is the guy who
said early on that he saw "thousands and thousands of Muslims in New
Jersey" celebrating on 9/11. Yet that never happened. He
has never recanted. Do you really think that someone that disconnected
from reality is a good candidate for dog catcher...much less president? I
don't...
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Trump says "No one has more respect for women than I do..." and the audience laughs. |
As well they should after his remarks on that Access Hollywood
tape from 2005 and the 9 women who now have spoken out about his
misconduct.
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Originally Posted by Dwyer
There's going to be the biggest hue and
cry and jumping up and down from all of the National and Local Cable
(including Fox News) and TV Media for at least the next 5 days and
beyond.
But the Republican candidate spoke the Truth: his U.S. Supreme Court Justices will overturn Roe v. Wade and it will go to the states to decide individually on abortion.
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I don't see it happening no matter who wins. It's scare mongering...
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Originally Posted by Seamus L
I thought Trump trounced her, but then
again, if you don't have a problem with late term abortion, same sex
marriage, what amounts to amnesty for illegal aliens, and possible war with Russia, I can see where you might not agree.
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Project much? The lady said "a path to citizenship" not amnesty. I
disagree with your assessment of the debate. Trump lost it after the
first half hour...
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Originally Posted by zab
Mike Wallace did a great job as moderator.
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Indeed! the best so far!
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Originally Posted by Beautiful
You won't be laughing if you live long
enough to see America dominated by Islam rather than the Christianity.
Then you might recall Trump in a favorable light.
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Not a chance, but based on the rampant immorality and injustices
in our nation look and see what God has said in the Bible in places like
Jeremiah 9:2-9 and Isaiah 9:6-13 all of which can very easily be applied to our nation (and most of the western world)
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Originally Posted by Vouthon
Do you have any idea how many Muslims there are in the US?
I don't think you need fear the United States of America turning into the Islamic Republic of America any time soon.
And anyone who tells you otherwise must be a scaremongering bigot if you ask me.
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I agree. Lots of things might go wrong but that ain't one of them. The
fact is that we are our own worst enemies and this election is exemplary
of it.
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Not thrilled, but I would rather be
calling her Madam President as appears probable than him Mr. President.
Luckily this mess is almost over... at least for another three years
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Yeah, which again shows his lack of respect for the rule of law.
Never in our 240 year history has anyone done so, which is actually one
of the things that has surprised most other nations and been one of the
marks of American greatness, but only someone who does not respect the
constitution would threaten such a thing. But that defines Trump...
This also from the man that espouses the use of torture and again showed
his contempt for the rule of law when he declared that military
commanders would obey him if he ordered them to torture. The fact is
that they can and should refuse any such illegal orders and he is dead
wrong to assert that he will order it.
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Where have you been? Do you have any idea what has happened to Europe lately? Or France and UK in the past 15 years?
Spare me and others name calling...I'm not calling you names.
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We are neither of those countries, so it's irrelevant.
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Originally Posted by AFerri48
Exactly. If the election actually gets
rigged and she wins because of voter fraud, than why would Trump just
back off and be okay with that? He was right to say that he will wait
and see. I'd expect her to wait and see as well.
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Except that that allegation has been refuted by every fact checker out there. It hasn't happened and it won't happen this time.
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Originally Posted by WilliamE
My favorite post-debate comment came from
conservative talk show host (and Trump supporter) Hugh Hewitt,
commenting on Mr. Trump's refusal to say that he would accept the result
of the election no matter who won:
"I was prepared to say that he won 14 out of 15 rounds, but then he hit himself in the head and knocked himself out."
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He's correct right there...
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Trump's refusal to accept the election results is chilling. Truly beyond the pale.
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As noted in my last post...this has never happened in 240 years
and is defiant of constitutional law. He makes all these baseless
allegations and has done so the entire campaign...lots of accusations
with never any evidence. it's a lot like reading Seventh Day Adventist
websites about the Catholic Church.
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Compared to what in this election cycle? I think the chill has worn thin.
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Amen to that MB!
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Originally Posted by Mulligan2
It really is a downward spiral for him. History will not be kind to him.
On January 20th the ultimate glass ceiling will be shattered by President Hillary Clinton.
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Sure seems likely especially since all he's done is gin up the
people who already support him while losing more and more support every
time he opens his pie hole.
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Sadly our democracy has already been mocked and for quite sometime according to
Wikileaks.
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Nah...our own government has done that to itself. Whistle blower Edward Snowden proved that.
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Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows
I disagree. And if she wins it will be
because she had lots of help - the election has been rigged in more ways
than one in favor of Hillary.
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Really? By all means enumerate them if you can because I don't believe you can provide any evidence...just like your boy Trump.
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He did land one deft blow over the Clinton foundation.
But then it became a shout-a-thon harangue of a slogging match again
over Haiti after she hit back about the Trump Foundation paying for his
lawsuits.
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In spite of the fact that he spent $25,000 of that "foundation's" money
to bribe Florida State Attorney Pam Bondi to drop the criminal
investigation into Trump university.
They both belong in jail for that...
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Clinton was the only one who answered
with any substance. Trump's answers were vague and nebulous - "we're
gonna make X great, believe me. World class" That doesn't say anything
on substance.
The "nasty woman" comments under his breath were uncalled for in adult civil discourse.
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But I also didn't like how Clinton kept re-rolling over Trump's
controversies. Surely there's a time and place to mention them. But they
came up at odd times.
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Probably a counter tactic to Trumps little "Wrong" cheap shots all
along the way and I saw several cases where he said that and I know he was lying.
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Ultimately I don't think the debate will change much. Trump will go into
November 8th with these polling numbers. He didn't help his cause at
all. He melted down in the second half and gave the media sound bites
that he'll be raked across the coals for weeks for. Clinton didn't
deliver a knockout punch, but she didn't do poorly.
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I completely agree with this assessment!
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Originally Posted by RCinMT
With the shattering of religious freedom to follow in short order.
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That's coming anyway. remember, Trump doesn't like Pope Francis and his VP says the church will change its teachings.
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Originally Posted by Vouthon
And constitutional government if her adversary makes good with his promises.
I mean, let's reflect on this for a moment...
Since Clinton is now beating him by sizeable margins in the polls, Trump
questions her right to run for the presidency, suggests that he need
not accept the outcome if she proves victorious on election day and
claims that his first act as president - if he does win - will be to
lock her up in jail.
If you ask me, that is one hell of a serious threat to undermine the
very basis of your republic and the values it was designed to uphold -
not to mention the basic and universal conventions of fair competition.
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Indeed! But he has shown again and again that he has no respect for the rule of law.
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Nope.
Quinnipiac 10/17 - 10/18 1007 LV 3.1 50 44 Clinton +6
Economist/YouGov 10/15 - 10/18 925 RV 3.9 47 43 Clinton +4
FOX News 10/15 - 10/17 912 LV 3.0 49 42 Clinton +7
IBD/TIPP 10/13 - 10/18 782 LV 3.6 44 41 Clinton +3
LA Times/USC Tracking 10/12 - 10/18 3019 LV 4.5 44 44 Tie
Bloomberg 10/14 - 10/17 1006 LV 3.1 50 41 Clinton +9
Reuters/Ipsos 10/13 - 10/17 1190 LV 3.3 43 39 Clinton +4
Monmouth 10/14 - 10/16 726 LV 3.6 53 41 Clinton +12
CBS News 10/12 - 10/16 1189 LV 3.0 51 40 Clinton +11
NBC News/SM 10/10 - 10/16 24804 LV 1.0 51 43 Clinton +8
ABC News/Wash Post 10/10 - 10/13 740 LV 4.0 50 46 Clinton +4
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 10/10 - 10/13 905 LV 3.3 51 41 Clinton +10
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So much for the assertion of Trump leading. It will be interesting to see the polls over the next couple of days.
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Originally Posted by Padres1969
Yep, every headline I've seen has grabbed
on to the statements by Trump about not agreeing to abide by the
election results. Nothing else's discussed will end up mattering. Trump
shot his own campaign in the back yet again.
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Yeah he did and contradicted both his VP and his wife's public statements.
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Originally Posted by po18guy
O for 3 here! I have scrupulously ignored
all of them. My vote goes for the one who will cause the least damage
to the Church, if not exactly leave her alone. The past week's events
have clarified that quite a bit.
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A hopeful assessment, but I am of the opinion that neither one is going to be good for us as Catholics.
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She dresses like the president of North Korea
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And he dresses like a crooked car salesman. (with apologies to the car salesmen...)
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Originally Posted by Beautiful
I'd feel the same way if I didn't believe
in the right to bear arms. So probably just little less than 1/2 the
country is sleeping lightly tonight.
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So what are you saying Beautiful? You do realize what the founding fathers said about that don't you?
"The strongest reason for
the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last
resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - Thomas
Jefferson
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know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the
people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to
take it from them but to inform their discretion." -Thomas Jefferson
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"For a people who are free, and
who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best
security." -Thomas Jefferson
"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." - Thomas Jefferson
"I am more and more convinced that man is a
dangerous creature and that power, whether vested in many or a few, is
ever grasping, and like the grave, cries, 'Give, give.' " -Abigail Adams
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Fear of being attacked for going to Mass?
Isn't that a bit hyperbolic? I mean... I can sort of see the "they'll
make our schools insurance cover birth control and that's violating my
religious freedom" argument. But being physically attacked for attending
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I agree. It's not that time yet...
I find the following Mass prayer especially poignant.
Deliver us, Lord, we pray, from every evil,
graciously grant peace in our days, that, by the help of your mercy, we
may be always free from sin and safe from all distress, as we await the
blessed hope and the coming of our Saviour, Jesus Christ
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And as for babies... I don't understand why everyone thinks Trump will
support pro-life policies. He changes his tune whenever it's politically
convenient for him. To whit... Meet the Press in 1999. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsOlXidHXRE
Yes, he's waving the pro-life banner now. But will that pandering actually materialize under a Trump administration?
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Yep typical politician's trick...
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The "nasty woman" comments under his breath were uncalled for in adult civil discourse.
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I don't think so. I think it is entirely appropriate to call her
nasty. After all it is nasty to call for the legalization of murder of
partially born infant. It is a bloody, brutal disgusting and extremely
nasty way to kill a child.
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She dresses like the president of North Korea
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yes I have noticed that too!
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Given that suffragettes such as Susan B.
Anthony were adamant that killing babies was not a path to rights for
women, I'm not sure that Mrs. Clinton quite belongs in that camp.
After all, roughly 1 of every two of those murdered children is female.
Perhaps, in the eyes of those pro-abortion, some females are more life
(and the rights which attend to being alive) worthy than others?
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Fear of being attacked for going to Mass?
Isn't that a bit hyperbolic? I mean... I can sort of see the "they'll
make our schools insurance cover birth control and that's violating my
religious freedom" argument. But being physically attacked for attending
church?
And as for babies... I don't understand why everyone thinks Trump will
support pro-life policies. He changes his tune whenever it's politically
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Abortion under Hillary Clinton is a militant absolute certainty.
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You commented on 7 Sorrows' remarks that
she was wearing white. She also wore white on the evening she accepted
the nomination for President. It's very intentional - aren't you aware?
The suffragettes all wore white as they fought and were jailed and
sometimes killed for their fight for women's rights. It is a very strong
feminist statement Mrs Clinton is making.
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On the other hand, Obama used fake phoney columns.
Remember those?
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I don't think so. I think it is entirely appropriate to call her nasty.
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They weren't talking about abortion. They were talking about tax
brackets. And furthermore. No it's not. Not on stage before millions of
people across the world. It's childish and utterly undignified for
someone running for the highest office in the land. A seat that the
likes of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, and Roosevelt held. It doesn't
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No it's not. Not on stage before millions
of people across the world. It's childish and utterly undignified for
someone running for the highest office in the land. A seat that the
likes of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, and Roosevelt held. It doesn't
matter if people think it's true, or agree with it. There's a right time
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this is a political race. if you had someone playing all the dirty
tricks on you that the Hillary campaign is playing you might be just as
disgusted.
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this is a political race. if you had
someone playing all the dirty tricks on you that the Hillary campaign is
playing you might be just as disgusted.
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Like calling him out for things he has been recorded as saying or
doing? The comment came out when she said "my taxes will go up and so
will his provided he doesn't find a way to get out of it." And then he
had to hit back. Because as he's shown he has to have the last word and
will be goaded. And when he can't say something of substance he resorts
to petty insults. This is a pattern seen time and time again whenever
he's criticized be it from Secretary Clinton, media and celebrity
detractors, and even his own party. And then he has the gall to turn
around in the selfsame debate and say that nobody has more respect for
women than he does.
The sentiment of the comment I can understand. It's okay to think poorly
of someone. But have we really become so desensitized that we're okay
with petty schoolyard insults coming from candidates? I'm embarrassed
that our culture has allowed things to get this way.
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this is a political race. if you had
someone playing all the dirty tricks on you that the Hillary campaign is
playing you might be just as disgusted.
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As I recall Al Gore refused to accept the results of the Florida vote
count and went to court and demanded recounts, but only of certain
counties.
He lost.
But, however, given the sophistication of the current voting fraud ...
the fraud and violence being orchestrated directly by the White House
... and the electronic voting machines provided and managed by George
Soros ... there is no telling how this is all going to play out.
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Hillary Clinton said she wants to put more money into the Social Security Trust Fund.
THERE IS NO SOCIAL SECURITY TRUST FUND.
AND Obama has removed billions from the Medicare and Social Security accounts.
Al Gore used to talk about the lock box ... no such thing.
If Social Security and Medicare were run properly, the current tax
collections dedicated to those two programs would be more than adequate.
For comparison(s), check with the Galveston County retirement program and with the HSA programs.
Galveston County payouts are about three times higher than Social Security.
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As I recall Al Gore refused to accept the
results of the Florida vote count and went to court and demanded
recounts, but only of certain counties.
He lost.
But, however, given the sophistication of the current voting fraud ...
the fraud and violence being orchestrated directly by the White House
... and the electronic voting machines provided and managed by George
Soros ... there is no telling how this is all going to play out.
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They weren't talking about abortion. They
were talking about tax brackets. And furthermore. No it's not. Not on
stage before millions of people across the world. It's childish and
utterly undignified for someone running for the highest office in the
land. A seat that the likes of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, and
Roosevelt held. It doesn't matter if people think it's true, or agree
with it. There's a right time and a wrong time to say certain things.
Behaving like that was wrong.
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Nasty seems pretty tame compared to some attacks from Washington and Jefferson's era:
Jefferson's campaign attacked Adams as "a hideous hermaphroditical
character with neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the
gentleness and sensibility of a woman."
Adams campaign shot back calling Jefferson "a mean-spirited, low-lived
fellow, the son of a half-breed Indian squaw, sired by a Virginia
mulatto father."
Please excuse me if I don't think calling someone nasty is a big deal.
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Nasty seems pretty tame compared to some attacks from Washington and Jefferson's era:
Jefferson's campaign attacked Adams as "a hideous hermaphroditical
character with neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the
gentleness and sensibility of a woman."
Adams campaign shot back calling Jefferson "a mean-spirited, low-lived
fellow, the son of a half-breed Indian squaw, sired by a Virginia
mulatto father."
Please excuse me if I don't think calling someone nasty is a big deal.
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According to the Thomas Jefferson Foundation, the first quote was
given by "James Callender, a partisan newspaper editor. The quote
appears in a pamphlet Callender published in 1800-1801, The Prospect
Before Us."
Regarding the second quote: "To date we have not found this quotation in
any sources contemporary to the election of 1800. Its earliest known
appearance in print is in a collection of New England folk tales, The
Jonny-Cake Papers.... Dixon Wecter, in his essay "Thomas Jefferson, The
Gentle Radical," discusses various portrayals of Jefferson by his
political enemies, and mentions that "the Jonnycake [sic] Papers later
burlesqued such caricatures.""
They were not published by campaigns, let alone spoken from the mouths of a candidate before millions
of people during an official issue-oriented debate, but by 1. partisan
hacks and 2. storytellers much, much later. I'm shocked that anyone
would defend behavior that any grandmother would have grabbed us by the
ear for showing when we were children.
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They weren't talking about abortion. They
were talking about tax brackets. And furthermore. No it's not. Not on
stage before millions of people across the world. It's childish and
utterly undignified for someone running for the highest office in the
land. A seat that the likes of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, and
Roosevelt held. It doesn't matter if people think it's true, or agree
with it. There's a right time and a wrong time to say certain things.
Behaving like that was wrong.
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Oh poor thing! She has called us a lot worse!
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They were not published by campaigns, let alone spoken from the mouths of a candidate before millions
of people during an official issue-oriented debate, but by 1. partisan
hacks and 2. storytellers much, much later. I'm shocked that anyone
would defend behavior that any grandmother would have grabbed us by the
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it seems I read bad info on the quotes.
Your grandmother grabbed you by the ear for calling someone nasty? Nasty is not a bad word, not even close.
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Oh poor thing! She has called us a lot worse!
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Maybe he should have said "deplorable". That seems to be acceptable.
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it seems I read bad info on the quotes.
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We were swiftly and publicly disciplined for any rudeness,
disrespect, or meanness. My brother and I grew up hearing a mantra taken
from Disney''s Bambi: "if you can't say somethin' nice, don't say
anything at all." You don't need profanity to be inappropriate.
And to answer the directly previous post: we were also taught that two
wrongs don't make a right. But I'm not worried about defending
Clinton''s feelings. That's not what my objection is about. It's about a
crass substanceless comment delivered in the national stage in a debate
for what is supposed to be one of the most solemn, important, and
serious secular offices in our nation. It wasn't a clever quip to
illustrate a point, or part of a discussion. It was mud slinging of the
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Trump acknowledges his Supreme Court nominations could overturn Roe v Wade
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Profanity?!? The fact that the word "Nasty" is not rendered as "*****" on this forum should tell you that it is not profane.
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We were swiftly and publicly disciplined
for any rudeness, disrespect, or meanness. My brother and I grew up
hearing a mantra taken from Disney''s Bambi: "if you can't say somethin'
nice, don't say anything at all." You don't need profanity to be
inappropriate.
And to answer the directly previous post: we were also taught that two
wrongs don't make a right. But I'm not worried about defending
Clinton''s feelings. That's not what my objection is about. It's about a
crass substanceless comment delivered in the national stage in a debate
for what is supposed to be one of the most solemn, important, and
serious secular offices in our nation. It wasn't a clever quip to
illustrate a point, or part of a discussion. It was mud slinging of the
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Maybe he should have called her a deplorable. Is that acceptable? She used it so it must be
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We were swiftly and publicly disciplined
for any rudeness, disrespect, or meanness. My brother and I grew up
hearing a mantra taken from Disney''s Bambi: "if you can't say somethin'
nice, don't say anything at all." You don't need profanity to be
inappropriate.
And to answer the directly previous post: we were also taught that two
wrongs don't make a right. But I'm not worried about defending
Clinton''s feelings. That's not what my objection is about. It's about a
crass substanceless comment delivered in the national stage in a debate
for what is supposed to be one of the most solemn, important, and
serious secular offices in our nation. It wasn't a clever quip to
illustrate a point, or part of a discussion. It was mud slinging of the
lowest calibur.
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I understand what you are saying but the definition of 'nasty' applies well to the HRC in response to her promotion of abortion.
Consider that Trump is appealing to the vast majority of Americans that
enjoy watching shows like The Simpsons, etc. HRC isn't comfortable
talking with people that talk like Trump and it shows. Americans see
that. Trump doesn't speak like a president but rather in a way that
appeals to the majority.
In my world...people eat deer for dinner.
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Yes and it wasn't that long ago and the democrats never got over it!
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Yes, but the only thing they never got over was how the Supreme
Court selected Bush, not that the election was "rigged." Huge
difference.
Speaking of the SCOTUS, nobody on this thread has mentioned what Hillary
pointed out in the first segment of the debate -- the Republicans have
been negligent in their Constitutional duties to advise and consent of
the SCOTUS nominee that Obama already selected: Merrick Garland, anyone?
Obama did what he was supposed to do, per our U.S. Constitution, and
yet Congress has sat on the nomination and done nothing -- absolutely
zippo.
So, in addition to the McConell et al shirking their Constitutional
duties, we've got Trump declining to accept the results of the election
-- an orderly transfer of powers that is essential for our republic to
function. The guy can't even bring
himself to shake hands with his opponent -- how is that "PRO-LIFE" or in
any way 'presidential'? Not shaking hands? Who does that? 
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]The guy can't even bring himself to
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Pheww...I noticed HRC had drippy nasal passages ...probably coming down with another cold. Good thing they didn't shake!
Did Trump reject HRC's hand? Did HRC even move in his direction to shake? She could've have...so why blame Trump?
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The people sleeping the best were rooting for the Cubs.
Hallelujah!
Praise the LORD, my soul;
I will praise the LORD all my life,
sing praise to my God while I live.
Put no trust in princes,
in children of Adam powerless to save.
Who breathing his last, returns to the earth;
that day all his planning comes to nothing.
Blessed the one whose help is the God of Jacob,
whose hope is in the LORD, his God,
The maker of heaven and earth,
the seas and all that is in them,
Who keeps faith forever,
secures justice for the oppressed,
who gives bread to the hungry.
The LORD sets prisoners free;
the LORD gives sight to the blind.
The LORD raises up those who are bowed down;
the LORD loves the righteous.
The LORD protects the resident alien,
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Exactly. If the election actually gets
rigged and she wins because of voter fraud, than why would Trump just
back off and be okay with that? He was right to say that he will wait
and see. I'd expect her to wait and see as well.
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I agree with you, that is what this country is all about, what
would the founding fathers think if someone just accepted a rigged
election and let the cheater win? LOL That would be absurd, and also
absurd to think the american people would not care about this kind of
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Pheww...I noticed HRC had drippy nasal passages ...probably coming down with another cold. Good thing they didn't shake!
Did Trump reject HRC's hand? Did HRC even move in his direction to shake? She could've have...so why blame Trump?
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Yes, as a matter of fact, HRC did move in his direction to shake
his hand -- Trump's body language said "go away" -- so she went to shake
Chris Wallace's hand instead and then greeted the audience while Trump
stayed on stage.
It's a wee bit difficult for me to accept him as "pro-life" if he thinks
she's got cooties or is a baby-killer something and refuses to extend a
simple handshake. This is the first election cycle in modern era that a
basic professional courtesy has now gone out of the window -- not just
this 3rd debate, but the 2nd and 3rd debates. I ask again: Who does
that? And he wants to be president?
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I agree with you, that is what this
country is all about, what would the founding fathers think if someone
just accepted a rigged election and let the cheater win? LOL That would
be absurd, and also absurd to think the american people would not care
about this kind of thing!!
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This is not some third world country where there's a coup every
few months. It's a democratic republic which requires a peaceful
transition of power to function. If he can't be bothered to even shake
his opponent's hand (a basic professional courtesy) and he can't be
bothered to respect the rule of law, that should be a huge red flag for
anyone.
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It's a wee bit difficult for me to accept him as "pro-life" if he thinks
she's got cooties or is a baby-killer something and refuses to extend a
simple handshake. :
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How on earth is not shaking hands with Clinton indicative that
he's not prolife? Does feigned politeness somehow outweigh Clinton's
relentless promotion of abortion here and abroad?
The Clinton camp is reduced to persuading the public that trivia is more
important that substance. Given the awful 8 years past, perhaps it's
all they can do.
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How on earth is not shaking hands with
Clinton indicative that he's not prolife? Does feigned politeness
somehow outweigh Clinton's relentless promotion of abortion here and
abroad?
The Clinton camp is reduced to persuading the public that trivia is more
important that substance. Given the awful 8 years past, perhaps it's
all they can do.
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Because PRO-LIFE means respecting the sanctity of life at *all*
stages of life, not just until birth, and he obviously has so little
regard for his opponent's life that he cannot even extend a professional
courtesy. There are athletes at the Olympics who were sent home because
they couldn't be sportsman-like and shake hands with opponents. It's
not trivial. What gives Trump the right to be so un-sportsmanlike?
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This is not some third world country
where there's a coup every few months. It's a democratic republic which
requires a peaceful transition of power to function. If he can't be
bothered to even shake his opponent's hand (a basic professional
courtesy) and he can't be bothered to respect the rule of law, that
should be a huge red flag for anyone.
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It is definitely different but I think Trump knows that HRC plays
an unfair game as revealed in Wikeleaks and other mainstream news
accounts and the public knows too. Why pretend?
The bigger question...Who needs to pretend?
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Because PRO-LIFE means respecting the
sanctity of life at *all* stages of life, not just until birth, and he
obviously has so little regard for his opponent's life that he cannot
even extend a professional courtesy. There are athletes at the Olympics
who were sent home because they couldn't be sportsman-like and shake
hands with opponents. It's not trivial. What gives Trump the right to be
so un-sportsmanlike?
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So not shaking hands is not trivial in comparison to 60 million lives snuffed out?
Wow, just wow.
By the way it was Clinton who asked for a break in protocol so that Bill would not have to shake hands with Melania...
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...n-request.html
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Because PRO-LIFE means respecting the
sanctity of life at *all* stages of life, not just until birth, and he
obviously has so little regard for his opponent's life that he cannot
even extend a professional courtesy. There are athletes at the Olympics
who were sent home because they couldn't be sportsman-like and shake
hands with opponents. It's not trivial. What gives Trump the right to be
so un-sportsmanlike?
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So pro-life now means shaking hands? How about Hillary Clinton's
enthusiastic support for taxpayer funded abortions including partial
births? Is Trump not shaking her hand tantamount to that?
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yes, but the only thing they never got
over was how the supreme court selected bush, not that the election was
"rigged." huge difference.
Speaking of the scotus, nobody on this thread has mentioned what hillary
pointed out in the first segment of the debate -- the republicans have
been negligent in their constitutional duties to advise and consent of
the scotus nominee that obama already selected: Merrick garland, anyone?
Obama did what he was supposed to do, per our u.s. Constitution, and
yet congress has sat on the nomination and done nothing -- absolutely
zippo.
So, in addition to the mcconell et al shirking their constitutional
duties, we've got trump declining to accept the results of the election
-- an orderly transfer of powers that is essential for our republic to
function. the guy can't even bring
himself to shake hands with his opponent -- how is that "pro-life" or in
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how is hillary pro-life!!! Really?
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I've got bad news for everyone.
With Zika coming down the tube....even if Trump is elected in and he
appoints a pro life SCOTUS... I imagine he/she will be tempted to delay
overturning Roe v. Wade.
American's could also subconsciously apply their vote based on something as awful as Zika.
just saying....you must look at what's happening outside the election.
This is not original. I think its terrible but see how evil is at play.
Also consider the generations of women that have committed to abortion
for themselves, children, grandchildren and now great grandchildren.
Murder is an 'approved' legacy in this country. It'll take a huge change
of hearts to draw back people to life.
The Door of Mercy is for all...the path to it is narrow. Pope Francis
couldn't have shed any greater light on the narrow passage to the Door
than he did.
The Door of Mercy will close soon....quite literally....if you aren't on your knees yet...pray to get there.
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I find it disturbing that HRC supporters want to call Trump on being
pro-life when it is a fact HRC is not nor ever was pro-life!!!!!!Its a
silly argument!
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Because PRO-LIFE means respecting the
sanctity of life at *all* stages of life, not just until birth, and he
obviously has so little regard for his opponent's life that he cannot
even extend a professional courtesy. There are athletes at the Olympics
who were sent home because they couldn't be sportsman-like and shake
hands with opponents. It's not trivial. What gives Trump the right to be
so un-sportsmanlike?
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So pro-life people must be perfect in all their interactions with people?
Does that mean that pro abortion people (like Hillary) can be as rotten
as they want to be? Maybe that will explain her criminality, propensity
to lie, and track record of being nasty to people she feels are
"beneath" her - like her secret service detail.
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So pro-life people must be perfect in all their interactions with people?
Does that mean that pro abortion people (like Hillary) can be as rotten
as they want to be? Maybe that will explain her criminality, propensity
to lie, and track record of being nasty to people she feels are
"beneath" her - like her secret service detail.
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You do not have to be perfect, you have to strive to be perfect.
Has nothing to do with being pro-life, has to do with being a follower
of Christ.
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You do not have to be perfect, you have
to strive to be perfect. Has nothing to do with being pro-life, has to
do with being a follower of Christ.
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Because PRO-LIFE means respecting the
sanctity of life at *all* stages of life, not just until birth, and he
obviously has so little regard for his opponent's life that he cannot
even extend a professional courtesy. There are athletes at the Olympics
who were sent home because they couldn't be sportsman-like and shake
hands with opponents. It's not trivial. What gives Trump the right to be
so un-sportsmanlike?
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Okay, let's compare apples to apples:
Trump refuses to shake Hillary's hand, possibly because she has a cold. This indicates he is not consistently pro-life.
Hillary has pneumonia but she gets close and personal and hugs a young
girl on the street even though she is aware that a number of people in
her campaign have been infected with pneumonia in the days prior to her
own bout with pneumonia. What should this indicate about her being
"pro-life?"
That she is willing to take the chance at actually infecting a young
girl with pneumonia is demonstrating her "respect" for life at all
stages, but Trump's unwillingness to shake hands demonstrates that he is
not sincerely pro-life?
Yet, that Hillary is pushing for the painful dismembering and killing of
babies up to and including after partial birth AND wants to force tax
payers (including you) to pay for these is an indicator that she is more
"pro-life" than Trump?
For the life of me, I do not see much consistency in how you arrive at your conclusions.
My grandson was born a few weeks premature recently. The fact that he
came out of his mother's womb early makes absolutely no difference with
regard to who he is and what rights he ought to have. That Hillary can
insist he should have NO rights if he were located in a womb, but ALL
rights if he "decides" to arrive early is an abysmal moral position. He
is the same human being whether in the womb or outside of it. Birth
makes no difference with regard to his moral standing. Yet it makes all
the difference to Hillary.
Her position that painful dismemberment of babies should be permitted
right up to birth is NOT pro-life and undermines everything else she
spouts as her "public" position regarding her alleged "respect" fo life.
The way she treats those around her is a far better indicator of her
respect for others -- and that has been well-documented. The manner in
which she responded to the moderator of the commander-in-chief forum
after he didn't follow her script is far more telling than Trump's
refusal to shake her hand.
Edit: Link to video describing the events following the forum.
https://youtu.be/_NfFAaPZqs8
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Yes, as a matter of fact, HRC did move in
his direction to shake his hand -- Trump's body language said "go away"
-- so she went to shake Chris Wallace's hand instead and then greeted
the audience while Trump stayed on stage.
It's a wee bit difficult for me to accept him as "pro-life" if he thinks
she's got cooties or is a baby-killer something and refuses to extend a
simple handshake. This is the first election cycle in modern era that a
basic professional courtesy has now gone out of the window -- not just
this 3rd debate, but the 2nd and 3rd debates. I ask again: Who does
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I thought that was the decision made by her side.
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Because PRO-LIFE means respecting the
sanctity of life at *all* stages of life, not just until birth, and he
obviously has so little regard for his opponent's life that he cannot
even extend a professional courtesy. There are athletes at the Olympics
who were sent home because they couldn't be sportsman-like and shake
hands with opponents. It's not trivial. What gives Trump the right to be
so un-sportsmanlike?
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You could win a gold medal in mental gymnastics.
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You do not have to be perfect, you have
to strive to be perfect. Has nothing to do with being pro-life, has to
do with being a follower of Christ.
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As much as people may strive, they (and I mean all of us), fall
short. The poster who originally brought this up specifically tied it to
being pro-life.
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I wrote a long reply for about woman offended by Trump's "bad hombre"
remark but my power went off & I lost it....I may comment later.
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Okay, let's compare apples to apples:
Trump refuses to shake Hillary's hand, possibly because she has a cold. This indicates he is not consistently pro-life.
Hillary has pneumonia but she gets close and personal and hugs a young
girl on the street even though she is aware that a number of people in
her campaign have been infected with pneumonia in the days prior to her
own bout with pneumonia. What should this indicate about her being
"pro-life?"
That she is willing to take the chance at actually infecting a young
girl with pneumonia is demonstrating her "respect" for life at all
stages, but Trump's unwillingness to shake hands demonstrates that he is
not sincerely pro-life?
Yet, that Hillary is pushing for the painful dismembering and killing of
babies up to and including after partial birth AND wants to force tax
payers (including you) to pay for these is an indicator that she is more
"pro-life" than Trump?
For the life of me, I do not see much consistency in how you arrive at your conclusions.
My grandson was born a few weeks premature recently. The fact that he
came out of his mother's womb early makes absolutely no difference with
regard to who he is and what rights he ought to have. That Hillary can
insist he should have NO rights if he were located in a womb, but ALL
rights if he "decides" to arrive early is an abysmal moral position. He
is the same human being whether in the womb or outside of it. Birth
makes no difference with regard to his moral standing. Yet it makes all
the difference to Hillary.
Her position that painful dismemberment of babies should be permitted
right up to birth is NOT pro-life and undermines everything else she
spouts as her "public" position regarding her alleged "respect" fo life.
The way she treats those around her is a far better indicator of her
respect for others -- and that has been well-documented. The manner in
which she responded to the moderator of the commander-in-chief forum
after he didn't follow her script is far more telling than Trump's
refusal to shake her hand.
Edit: Link to video describing the events following the forum.
https://youtu.be/_NfFAaPZqs8 |
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As corroborating evidence for Hillary's reaction and subsequent
call to the MSM to "deal" with Matt Lauer, consider how Colbert shredded
him:
https://youtu.be/S3GDVqcg2mc
(Start at about 3:00 mark.)
Justified? Did Lauer do that badly? Or was the MSM response instigated by the Clinton campaign as "payback?"
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I disagree. And if she wins it will be
because she had lots of help - the election has been rigged in more ways
than one in favor of Hillary.
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I agree the elite media is in her corner, but how is that
different from any other presidential election? Including the ones won
by Republicans?
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As for the pro life aspect. We spend
hours in front of the blessed sacrament, we articulate our arguments we
pray for conversions of hearts and then when someone changes thier mind
about abortion they are not to be trusted? Well I trust Hillary when it
comes to abortion. I trust her when she says what she says. I believe
her 100 percent.
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Right. I don't think either candidate is a good one. And I
honestly don't know what Trump would do when it comes to furthering the
pro-life cause or protecting religious liberty. But I do know what
Hillary will do. And it won't be good.
Painting Trump as a flip-flopper is not undeserved, but so are many
politicians. When Obama or Hillary change their minds, they are
"evolving" but when Trump does, he is "flip-flopping".
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Okay, let's compare apples to apples:
Trump refuses to shake Hillary's hand, possibly because she has a cold. This indicates he is not consistently pro-life.
Hillary has pneumonia but she gets close and personal and hugs a young
girl on the street even though she is aware that a number of people in
her campaign have been infected with pneumonia in the days prior to her
own bout with pneumonia. What should this indicate about her being
"pro-life?"
That she is willing to take the chance at actually infecting a young
girl with pneumonia is demonstrating her "respect" for life at all
stages, but Trump's unwillingness to shake hands demonstrates that he is
not sincerely pro-life?
Yet, that Hillary is pushing for the painful dismembering and killing of
babies up to and including after partial birth AND wants to force tax
payers (including you) to pay for these is an indicator that she is more
"pro-life" than Trump?
For the life of me, I do not see much consistency in how you arrive at your conclusions.
My grandson was born a few weeks premature recently. The fact that he
came out of his mother's womb early makes absolutely no difference with
regard to who he is and what rights he ought to have. That Hillary can
insist he should have NO rights if he were located in a womb, but ALL
rights if he "decides" to arrive early is an abysmal moral position. He
is the same human being whether in the womb or outside of it. Birth
makes no difference with regard to his moral standing. Yet it makes all
the difference to Hillary.
Her position that painful dismemberment of babies should be permitted
right up to birth is NOT pro-life and undermines everything else she
spouts as her "public" position regarding her alleged "respect" fo life.
The way she treats those around her is a far better indicator of her
respect for others -- and that has been well-documented. The manner in
which she responded to the moderator of the commander-in-chief forum
after he didn't follow her script is far more telling than Trump's
refusal to shake her hand.
Edit: Link to video describing the events following the forum.
https://youtu.be/_NfFAaPZqs8 |
In all fairness....the no-hand-shake evening for presidential hopefuls was clearly mutual. Neither rejected the other because there was no advance to shake.
Also Trump probably couldn't possibly have known Hillary's nose would be
dripping throughout the debate. Hillary might have been surprised her
nose was dripping. She used her fingers to wipe her skin dry. That sort
of thing bothers me. Most men and women carry tissue or hanky around at
all times. If there was ever a time to have one tucked in a pocket or
sleeve....
Personally...I was relieved Trump didn't get caught in her nasal drip. His campaign trail isn't over.
I get what you are trying to say though.
Thanks for posting the Matt L. interview. After all this time, I'd not watched it until today.
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Re: Trump / Clinton--Final Presidential Debate Thread
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Because PRO-LIFE means respecting the
sanctity of life at *all* stages of life, not just until birth, and he
obviously has so little regard for his opponent's life that he cannot
even extend a professional courtesy. There are athletes at the Olympics
who were sent home because they couldn't be sportsman-like and shake
hands with opponents. It's not trivial. What gives Trump the right to be
so un-sportsmanlike?
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You really must be joking. Take this to its extreme, after all. If
Elie Weisel wouldn't shake hands with Hitler, he's not "pro-life"? That
is ludicrous.
Being unsportsmanlike is a totally different charge from being callous
or indifferent towards life and death matters other human beings face.
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Abortion under Hillary Clinton is a militant absolute certainty.
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I am unfortunately pretty sure it is a certainty under Trump, too,
alas. That is a streak of hard-heartedness I don't see being eradicated
by legal means. Permissiveness about abortion is too entrenched in the
lie that offering abortions is a mercy and the matter of abortion is
private.
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Re: Trump / Clinton--Final Presidential Debate Thread
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So pro-life people must be perfect in all their interactions with people?
Does that mean that pro abortion people (like Hillary) can be as rotten
as they want to be? Maybe that will explain her criminality, propensity
to lie, and track record of being nasty to people she feels are
"beneath" her - like her secret service detail.
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Or the waitresses she stiffed. Didn't leave a tip.
She plays the sympathy card when she talks about the women who have aborted their
babies at the last minute. If it was critical, why not let the babies die a natural death
after birth? Comes down to many only wanting "perfect babies", And the percentage
of those decisions are a fraction of the million plus babies aborted for lesser reasons.
For those still in doubt, please consider your vote for Trump. Forget personality,
vote on the issues.
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Re: Trump / Clinton--Final Presidential Debate Thread
Honestly can't see how anyone could, with a straight face, claim Trump
dominated in this final debate. He started out uncharacteristically
calm, but quickly devolved into a mess after he continuously took the
bait Clinton kept waving in front of him. Clinton won this debate, hands
down. And, judging by the fact that Trump doesn't even have a state
like Texas locked down, I can't see how he wins the presidency.
That said, he never said he wouldn't accept the results. He said "we'll
see". Far be it from me to defend Mr. Trump, but that was the only way
he could answer. Saying he would accept the results would go against the
conspiracy theories he's been feeding his supporters, and saying he
would accept would run too many people the wrong way.
And I agree with others. Mr. Wallace was far and away the best moderator
we've seen. He kept the candidates in line and was swift in
transitioning from topic to topic. I think it's thanks to him we got a
much more substantive debate.
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Or the waitresses she stiffed. Didn't leave a tip.
She plays the sympathy card when she talks about the women who have aborted their
babies at the last minute. If it was critical, why not let the babies die a natural death
after birth? Comes down to many only wanting "perfect babies", And the percentage
of those decisions are a fraction of the million plus babies aborted for lesser reasons.
For those still in doubt, please consider your vote for Trump. Forget personality,
vote on the issues.
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We are in no position to care whether or not Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton or anyone else running for President is a bad tipper! (How indistinguishable would two candidates have to be before that became an issue worthy of deciding a vote?!?)
Yes, someone needs to say that hard cases inevitably make bad law. She
knows that, but she also knows that there are voters who don't see it
that way.
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We are in no position to care whether or not Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton or anyone else running for President is a bad tipper! (How indistinguishable would two candidates have to be before that became an issue worthy of deciding a vote?!?)
Yes, someone needs to say that hard cases inevitably make bad law. She
knows that, but she also knows that there are voters who don't see it
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If you will notice, I made that statement adding to the list of the prior poster..
You are very touchy, sorry. It obviously very low on the scale but her position on
most of the important ones rants pretty high and makes her undesirable as a president.
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Re: Trump states pro life, Clinton states pro choice
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I am confused.
I love Hillary Clinton. And while she has been called many things, she has never been called an abortion.
Abortions are at an all-time low under President Barack Obama. People
who truly want to see less abortion will vote for another Democrat,
Hillary Clinton.
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A wolf in sheep clothing. Research CLINTON CRIMES IN ARKANSAS. IF
you have time find the video and watch it. The typed documents have the
facts. The devil was loose in Little Rock.
NEVER FORGET Benghazi. It could have been your son. My son was a
contractor and was guarding the embassy in Kabul. He could have been
assigned to Benghazi. Help is always sent. STAND DOWN!!
The Ambassador was sodomized. Your son dead at her judgement and command.
Yes, last night she said she would never reverse Roe vs Wade and said
the mother had the right to late term abortions. (After 6 mo, have a
C-section and send the baby for adoption.)
A female President. A rising star. Sounds exciting.
So did Obama and look what happened.
May God guide you and us to where he wishes to be.
I would know I'd have to forgive her but my heart would take a little while to follow my head.
We did lose my son in law in Iraq at 24yo in 2007. He lived w us. He was
maturing so much. He'd come home wanting a bagel and I had eaten it. I
said I'll go get more. I feel so bad. He called me Mum.
The Caliphate is an Arab prophecy. They plan to take over the world.
If my people who are called by my name, shall humble themselves and seek
my face. I will hear their prayer, forgive their sins and heal their
land.
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Where have you been? Do you have any idea what has happened to Europe lately? Or France and UK in the past 15 years?
Spare me and others name calling...I'm not calling you names.
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Salutations,
The amt of Muslims is increasing especially w refugees. So far 10,000-all Muslims.
Now this is hard to believe but the court in Tenn. Granted the Muslims the right to practice Sharia law.
in Christ's love
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Which would naturally follow ,that one would be pro life.🙏
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True.
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Salutations,
The amt of Muslims is increasing especially w refugees. So far 10,000-all Muslims.
Now this is hard to believe but the court in Tenn. Granted the Muslims the right to practice Sharia law.
in Christ's love
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Does the Catholic Church have the right to practice canon law in Tennessee?
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Canon law is the body of laws and regulations made by ecclesiastical
authority (Church leadership), for the government of a Christian
organization or church and its members. It is the internal
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_law
So assuming that the Catholic Church gets to practice canon law within
its churches in Tennessee, why shouldn't the Muslims get to practice
Sharia law within their mosques there?
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Re: Trump / Clinton--Final Presidential Debate Thread
Looks like Trump is doubling down on the "accepting results" issue. Now
he's saying he'll gladly accept the election results on November 8, but
only if he wins. 
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/20/politi...win/index.html
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Ah well, he'll have to win then. Is there some punishment for America if it's not by a landslide?
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This is such an embarrassment and affront to your country.
I am speechless. How can anyone condone this?
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This is such an embarrassment and affront to your country.
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Al Gore can condone it!
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If you will notice, I made that statement adding to the list of the prior poster..
You are very touchy, sorry. It obviously very low on the scale but her position on
most of the important ones rants pretty high and makes her undesirable as a president.
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Yes. She fails to qualify on such grave grounds that I would not
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tipping is important to the server, even to the server it is not as
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