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Oct 11, '16, 7:02 am
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And 50 years ago the media covered up JFK dalliance with mob molls and actresses.
Irrelevant to whether Bill is a rapist.
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It covered for Teddy killing his secretary and all of his philandering and being half of a waitress sandwich. Kennedy's have so much influence the family got cardinals for his funeral mass.
More irrelevant allegations. Only the negligence leading to her death was actually established.

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Clinton was impeached for obstruction and perjury but the Dems in the Senate circled the wagons and exonerated him.
"Impeached" means brought to trial. It does not mean convicted. Your interpretation of "circling the wagons" is your speculation, but still irrelevant to your initial claim.

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And this administration has weaponized government agencies against the American people and their political opponents. (IRS, FBI Justice even the park service).
Every administration has been accused of something like that from the other side, and it is still allegations, and still irrelevant to your claim.

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No crime is too big or too small to cover up.
Calling something a crime that has not been found to be a crime in a court of law is still your speculation, and still irrelevant.

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And some people want to have the vapors because of Trump bragging of his sexual prowess!
Actually, the Trump tape is the least of people's concerns. But it does point to his character at age 59. He was no longer a child. He should have known better.

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You do realize this election is between two griffters. Who do you think is worse the one who will destroy what is left of the constitution particularly the 1st 2nd and 5th amendments, or the one who never read it?
You are proud of the fact that Trump has not read the constitution? How low have we sunk? But no, I do not believe HRC has any intention of destroying the 1st, 2nd, or 5th amendments.

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You do realize how rapid the decent of the rule of law has been when you realized Nixon was a vote away from impeachment and conviction when he resigned for destroying 18 minutes of tape.
The reasons for his impeachment and resignation went far beyond the destruction of 18 minutes of tape. But still irrelevant.

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It the past 6 years we watched IRS computer hard drives wrecked when under subpoena.
You mean allegations of intentional contempt of court? But still irrelevant. When are you going to get to the part where Bill raped someone?

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, 30.000 e mails deleted Administration Departments refusing to hand over documents to oversight committees, the military sent off to fight in undeclared wars, gun running to drug cartels.
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Irrelevant to whether Bill is a rapist.
More irrelevant allegations. Only the negligence leading to her death was actually established.


"Impeached" means brought to trial. It does not mean convicted. Your interpretation of "circling the wagons" is your speculation, but still irrelevant to your initial claim.

Every administration has been accused of something like that from the other side, and it is still allegations, and still irrelevant to your claim.


Calling something a crime that has not been found to be a crime in a court of law is still your speculation, and still irrelevant.

Actually, the Trump tape is the least of people's concerns. But it does point to his character at age 59. He was no longer a child. He should have known better.


You are proud of the fact that Trump has not read the constitution? How low have we sunk? But no, I do not believe HRC has any intention of destroying the 1st, 2nd, or 5th amendments.


The reasons for his impeachment and resignation went far beyond the destruction of 18 minutes of tape. But still irrelevant.


You mean allegations of intentional contempt of court? But still irrelevant. When are you going to get to the part where Bill raped someone?

Your irrelevancy excludes common sense and gives way too much discretion to government run courts.

Truth and justice do not reside in the government justice system, as we have come to learn. And truth is not relativistic.

I think justice will only be administered by God.

Reality is Donald was a democrat when these horrible things were said. The point I am making is media spin has protected Democrats. Because that is what Democrats do.

(Not that Republicans wouldn’t do it if they had the power because the two combined equal the uni-party)

People having vapors need to get over themselves.

The preverbal excrement may be ready to hit the spinning blades sooner then people think.
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HRC on video told a Goldstar mom that a video was the reason her son died. Chris Wallace called her on it and HRC, in typical fashion, trashed the Goldstar mom by saying the mom was confused. This mom has been interviewed several times and she is not confused about what HRC told her on that video.
Pathetic,isn't it? That those who will defend HC no matter what are willing to throw a Gold Star mom under the bus.Thiscafter all the concrete evidence re HC and Bengahazi.
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Exactly.

No, she wasn't some little Tammy Wynette just standing by her man. She was actively engaged in smearing these women who came forward so that she could protect the Clinton family political power.
It has become abundantly clear that there is NOTHING HC can say or do that will dissuade her base.No need to apologize or even admit any wrong doing.The Clinton dynasty is above the law .Period.
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It has become abundantly clear that there is NOTHING HC can say or do that will dissuade her base.No need to apologize or even admit any wrong doing.The Clinton dynasty is above the law .Period.
Precisely
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It has become abundantly clear that there is NOTHING HC can say or do that will dissuade her base.No need to apologize or even admit any wrong doing.The Clinton dynasty is above the law .Period.
It really makes her supporters look bad. They have been duped again!
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It really makes her supporters look bad. They have been duped again!
Yes,the unfortunate fact is all of us will be brought down in the process,especially if she ends up in the WH
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So? Does that justify what he said he has done? These are not his thoughts these are his actions.
No these are not his actions but his words. He's apologized for them. Have him crucified if you want, but at least have the courage to admit we all have thought evil thoughts at one time or another.
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It has become abundantly clear that there is NOTHING HC can say or do that will dissuade her base.No need to apologize or even admit any wrong doing.The Clinton dynasty is above the law .Period.
I partially agree with you. The reason nothing can dissuade us at this point is Trump. I know she's done wrong, I hate her stance on abortion, Bill is probably as bad as Trump when it comes to sexual assault, etc...but all of this pales in my mind compared to Trump. It will be easier to mitigate any damage from Hillary than to mitigate the damage that will be done by Donald.

The republicans should have chosen somebody who is actually fit to be president. I would love to have a better choice.
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It has become abundantly clear that there is NOTHING HC can say or do that will dissuade her base.No need to apologize or even admit any wrong doing.The Clinton dynasty is above the law .Period.
Same with Trump and his supporters. I mean really!

How is it that these two made it to the top? It says a lot about our grass roots voters.
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I partially agree with you. The reason nothing can dissuade us at this point is Trump. I know she's done wrong, I hate her stance on abortion, Bill is probably as bad as Trump when it comes to sexual assault, etc...but all of this pales in my mind compared to Trump. It will be easier to mitigate any damage from Hillary than to mitigate the damage that will be done by Donald.

The republicans should have chosen somebody who is actually fit to be president. I would love to have a better choice.
I disagree.As. Catholic there is no way on God's green earth I can vote for HC.She has stated clearly her intentions for this country.She unabashedly supports PP,and abortion.She fully intends to load thevSCOTUS with judges who as she said Sun night" understand the way the world is now" Translation rewrite the Constitution to suit the liberal agenda.single payer health insurance. Open border acess to any and all,the list is endless re the many ways in which she willer ever change the U.S. And not for the betterment of the citizenry as a whole.
DT ,while deeply flawed in other ways,at least mentioned upholding the Constitution,SCOTUS nominees,etc. So,really,how do you think any damage done by Hillary will be easy to mitigate?
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I partially agree with you. The reason nothing can dissuade us at this point is Trump. I know she's done wrong, I hate her stance on abortion, Bill is probably as bad as Trump when it comes to sexual assault, etc...but all of this pales in my mind compared to Trump. It will be easier to mitigate any damage from Hillary than to mitigate the damage that will be done by Donald.
Sec Clinton's unwavering, die hard support for tax payer funded, unfettered access to the destruction of innocent lives, both here and abroad "pales in [your] mind compared to Trump." Really? Millions of innocent lives snuffed out, and Sec Clinton wants to expand access to that murder, and that pales in comparison to Trump.

What would Sec Clinton have to do that would be worse than Trump if this isn't enough? Seriously.

Even if Trump did NOTHING his entire presidency, that would be better than a Clinton presidency. Trump may not be pro-life (I don't think he even cares). But he certainly is not as rabidly pro-abortion as Sec Clinton and the Democratic party.
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Same with Trump and his supporters. I mean really!

How is it that these two made it to the top? It says a lot about our grass roots voters.
HRC voters should know better! But then again that's what she really counts on, that they don't know better!!!!
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Sec Clinton's unwavering, die hard support for tax payer funded, unfettered access to the destruction of innocent lives, both here and abroad "pales in [your] mind compared to Trump." Really? Millions of innocent lives snuffed out, and Sec Clinton wants to expand access to that murder, and that pales in comparison to Trump.

What would Sec Clinton have to do that would be worse than Trump if this isn't enough? Seriously.

Even if Trump did NOTHING his entire presidency, that would be better than a Clinton presidency. Trump may not be pro-life (I don't think he even cares). But he certainly is not as rabidly pro-abortion as Sec Clinton and the Democratic party.
I have come to think that these Catholic Clinton supporters are pro-abortion, pro Planned Parenthood ...they just do not want to admit it directly. There is no way they could use doubt about Trumps being pro life as a reason to vote for Clinton, especially after Sunday night when she specifically stated she wants to stack the court, keep Roe V Wade and revisit the erroneous decision that upheld the Partial Birth Abortion Ban which was upheld by the Supreme Court unless they desire abortion to remain firmly in our culture. And now Clinton will erode the Hyde and Helm amendments to enable exporting this evil and using tax payer dollars to do it.
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I have come to think that these Catholic Clinton supporters are pro-abortion, pro Planned Parenthood ...they just do not want to admit it directly. There is no way they could use doubt about Trumps being pro life as a reason to vote for Clinton, especially after Sunday night when she specifically stated she wants to stack the court, keep Roe V Wade and revisit the erroneous decision that upheld the Partial Birth Abortion Ban which was upheld by the Supreme Court unless they desire abortion to remain firmly in our culture. And now Clinton will erode the Hyde and Helm amendments to enable exporting this evil and using tax payer dollars to do it.
I tend to agree. It's heartbreaking
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I have come to think that these Catholic Clinton supporters are pro-abortion, pro Planned Parenthood ...they just do not want to admit it directly. There is no way they could use doubt about Trumps being pro life as a reason to vote for Clinton, especially after Sunday night when she specifically stated she wants to stack the court, keep Roe V Wade and revisit the erroneous decision that upheld the Partial Birth Abortion Ban which was upheld by the Supreme Court unless they desire abortion to remain firmly in our culture. And now Clinton will erode the Hyde and Helm amendments to enable exporting this evil and using tax payer dollars to do it.
I have never understood Catholics voting democrat! It totally bewilderers me!
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This is how the left treat women who are not supporting hillary.

https://twitter.com/atensnut/status/785654591891189760
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Who really demeans women?

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Fact checkers caught Trump in a debate lie:

https://twitter.com/RogerJStoneJr?re...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

No Mr. Trump, Hillary didn't "acid wash" her private server as you claim; she used something called "BleachBit." You liar, Mr. Trump!

How can we manage to live without the wisdom of the media.
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Fact checkers caught Trump in a debate lie:

https://twitter.com/RogerJStoneJr?re...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

No Mr. Trump, Hillary didn't "acid wash" her private server as you claim; she used something called "BleachBit." You liar, Mr. Trump!

How can we manage to live without the wisdom of the media.
Really? This is what you have? You and the media should be ashamed of yourselves. He got the point across that she did something extraordinary rather than just delete. This is a real pathetic stretch!
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As President he can give the order to U.S. AID to actually do stuff in Haiti, instead of arguing about what language the construction specification should be written in and how many language translations are needed.]
A lot of people will have died in Haiti before either Hillary or Donald will have become President. Perhaps our current leaders can ask us to help out?

Oh, and btw, it is DT who is stuck on English only, among a lot of others.
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Fact checkers caught Trump in a debate lie:

https://twitter.com/RogerJStoneJr?re...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

No Mr. Trump, Hillary didn't "acid wash" her private server as you claim; she used something called "BleachBit." You liar, Mr. Trump!

How can we manage to live without the wisdom of the media.
Its interesting you are more angry over Trumps use of the word acid over bleach than the fact HRC went to this level of Bleachbit to erase subpoenaed emails!
Mindboggling!
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Its interesting you are more angry over Trumps use of the word acid over bleach than the fact HRC went to this level of Bleachbit to erase subpoenaed emails!
Mindboggling!
I guess it didn't come through I was mocking the media.
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Exactly.

No, she wasn't some little Tammy Wynette just standing by her man. She was actively engaged in smearing these women who came forward so that she could protect the Clinton family political power.
You mean these women, one of which Trump called a "loser"? Who's doing the smearing here?
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I guess it didn't come through I was mocking the media.
I was confused by your post! I thought you were bashing Trump. I see it is the Clinton media grasping at straws again in their relentless campaign to ruin Trump!
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You mean these women, one of which Trump called a "loser"? Who's doing the smearing here?
You have a problem with a word, yet HRC actively sought to ruin their lives. Shame!
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Not sure if anyone shared this yet
Trump supporter leaves CNN anchor speechless
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Sec Clinton's unwavering, die hard support for tax payer funded, unfettered access to the destruction of innocent lives, both here and abroad "pales in [your] mind compared to Trump." Really? Millions of innocent lives snuffed out, and Sec Clinton wants to expand access to that murder, and that pales in comparison to Trump.

What would Sec Clinton have to do that would be worse than Trump if this isn't enough? Seriously.

Even if Trump did NOTHING his entire presidency, that would be better than a Clinton presidency. Trump may not be pro-life (I don't think he even cares). But he certainly is not as rabidly pro-abortion as Sec Clinton and the Democratic party.
The president doesn't make laws. Wouldn't the Hyde Amendment be decided by Congress? Sure she can veto whatever law it's attached to but ultimately it will be congress that decides on this.

As far as the supreme court goes, one justice is older than Hillary and Trump. If people are worried about the Supreme Court being so aged, perhaps we should look at the candidates that were chosen to run for president. Perhaps the Republicans should have looked at the guy Obama chose. Hillary may not go for a moderate.
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And now Clinton will erode the Hyde and Helm amendments to enable exporting this evil and using tax payer dollars to do it.
She can't do it on her own. That's why it's more important IMO to prevent the Democrats of controlling the House and Senate. That's why the House Speaker allowed his fellow Republicans of distancing themselves from Trump, who wasted no time smearing the House Speaker.
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CNN anchoress looks very dismayed.
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Not sure if anyone shared this yet
Trump supporter leaves CNN anchor speechless
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NPPE6a7mSI
From the video:

"when bill clinton was president, my children came home from school and they had no idea what the oval office was -- they thought it was the oral office! My children got educated way earlier than I would have liked..."

Yep! And now they complain about trump's words. Hypocrites live in every age just as in Jesus's.
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You have a problem with a word, yet HRC actively sought to ruin their lives. Shame!
I wouldn't vote for Hillary even if she were to turn pro-life but my point was that both have been successful in ruining lives and livelihoods along the way. Let's not point too many fingers at just one of them.
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The president doesn't make laws. Wouldn't the Hyde Amendment be decided by Congress? Sure she can veto whatever law it's attached to but ultimately it will be congress that decides on this.
I'm not talking about the Hyde Amendment specifically. But rather the USAID executive order (aka Mexico City policy) that every Republican has issued and every Democrat has rescinded that sends money overseas to promote and fund abortion.

There also the case of the Community Health Center funding that Obamacare authorizes that is NOT subject to the Hyde Amendment. Pres Obama did issue an executive order, but I have a very strong suspicion that Pres Clinton would happily rescind that one as well.

So, yeah, the president can directly affect funding of abortion.

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As far as the supreme court goes, one justice is older than Hillary and Trump. If people are worried about the Supreme Court being so aged, perhaps we should look at the candidates that were chosen to run for president.
What does this have to do with anything?

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Perhaps the Republicans should have looked at the guy Obama chose. Hillary may not go for a moderate.
I have heard talk that if Sec Clinton wins, the senate may immediately jump on Judge Garland prior to her inauguration. But that's beside the point with respect to the campaign and voting.
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CNN anchoress looks very dismayed.
An "anchoress" is a female religious ascetic who withdraws from secular life to pursue a life of prayer. The woman in the video is a "news anchor" or just "anchor".
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She can't do it on her own. That's why it's more important IMO to prevent the Democrats of controlling the House and Senate. That's why the House Speaker allowed his fellow Republicans of distancing themselves from Trump, who wasted no time smearing the House Speaker.
IMHO ... further fracturing the party will insure down ticket losses.

The fact that the establishment Republicans ( who are not conservative by the way) have taken for granted the "conservative base" exactly like the Democrats have taken advantage of the minority vote is what created Trump. That is what gave rise to Trump in the first place. We have been told to hold our nose and vote for the top of the ticket for years ...The Republicans promised to make conservative change if we voted them in ...but they delivered little and caved into the Democratic policies ....

What we see is that their desire is to remain in power and really are just like the Democrats.

That the Republican elites are supporting Hilary ...some directly and some behind the scenes. THUS - Do not be surprised ....Many conservatives will vote Trump and not down ticket ...if the party elite abandon them ...they will abandon the Elite - especially if it looks certain Trump will loose big ...the Republicans will loose more.....and not recover ..what will replace it ..who knows??
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An "anchoress" is a female religious ascetic who withdraws from secular life to pursue a life of prayer. The woman in the video is a "news anchor" or just "anchor".
Gotta love the pedantry as a red herring. Rather than address the point being made, and accept the intent of the post, one diverts attention by focusing on vocabulary.

Well done.
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That the Republican elites are supporting Hilary ...some directly and some behind the scenes. THUS - Do not be surprised ....Many conservatives will vote Trump and not down ticket ...if the party elite abandon them ...they will abandon the Elite
Not this voter. The president will either be blank for I'll do a write-in. But I will certainly vote down ticket for conservatives all the way.

And yes, even local offices matter. We have a county commissioner who openly stated that he wanted to grant tax exemptions to Planned Parenthood to encourage them to expand their services to "help women in need." It matters.
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I have heard talk that if Sec Clinton wins, the senate may immediately jump on Judge Garland prior to her inauguration. But that's beside the point with respect to the campaign and voting.
Of course the Senate will, because GOP senators are laughably hypocritical. The games one side of the aisle have decided to play with our governmental processes is extremely relevant to who we should be electing President.
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An "anchoress" is a female religious ascetic who withdraws from secular life to pursue a life of prayer. The woman in the video is a "news anchor" or just "anchor".
I appreciate you pointing out this. I should have known this because our history class just covered the topic a few weeks ago.
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So, yeah, the president can directly affect funding of abortion.
In fairness, isn't that exactly what Obama tried to prevent through an Executive Order so that he could get the required votes to pass the healthcare bill, only to have it totally ignored later?
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Of course the Senate will, because GOP senators are laughably hypocritical. The games one side of the aisle have decided to play with our governmental processes is extremely relevant to who we should be electing President.
And the policies of one side of the aisle is extremely relevant to who we should be electing President. I'll policies over political gamesmanship any day.
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In fairness, isn't that exactly what Obama tried to prevent through an Executive Order so that he could get the required votes to pass the healthcare bill, only to have it totally ignored later?
Is it ignored? I haven't seen anything about CHC's being permitted to use any of the funding from Obamacare for abortion related services.

Though, just like money given to PP, it's fungible. So now CHC's have more money from other sources to spend on abortion services.
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I have come to think that these Catholic Clinton supporters are pro-abortion, pro Planned Parenthood ...they just do not want to admit it directly. There is no way they could use doubt about Trumps being pro life as a reason to vote for Clinton, especially after Sunday night when she specifically stated she wants to stack the court, keep Roe V Wade and revisit the erroneous decision that upheld the Partial Birth Abortion Ban which was upheld by the Supreme Court unless they desire abortion to remain firmly in our culture. And now Clinton will erode the Hyde and Helm amendments to enable exporting this evil and using tax payer dollars to do it.
I think there is a lot of truth to this. Catholics have about the same abortion rate as anyone else, and for every person who has had an abortion there are those who were complicit in it.
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IMHO ... further fracturing the party will insure down ticket losses.

The fact that the establishment Republicans ( who are not conservative by the way) have taken for granted the "conservative base" exactly like the Democrats have taken advantage of the minority vote is what created Trump. That is what gave rise to Trump in the first place. We have been told to hold our nose and vote for the top of the ticket for years ...The Republicans promised to make conservative change if we voted them in ...but they delivered little and caved into the Democratic policies ....

What we see is that their desire is to remain in power and really are just like the Democrats.

That the Republican elites are supporting Hilary ...some directly and some behind the scenes. THUS - Do not be surprised ....Many conservatives will vote Trump and not down ticket ...if the party elite abandon them ...they will abandon the Elite - especially if it looks certain Trump will loose big ...the Republicans will loose more.....and not recover ..what will replace it ..who knows??
I agree with much of what you say, but didn't Trump start out as a Democrat and a close friend of the Clintons before he found a niche in the political arena with a fabricated birth certificate issue? Maybe the debate should be about individual power rather than R vs D.
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Is it ignored? I haven't seen anything about CHC's being permitted to use any of the funding from Obamacare for abortion related services.

Though, just like money given to PP, it's fungible. So now CHC's have more money from other sources to spend on abortion services.
Precisely.
 

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