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SAN JOSE, Calif. — Donald Trump supporters were mobbed and assaulted by protesters on Thursday night after the candidate's campaign rally in California.

The violence broke out after the event in San Jose wrapped up just before 8 p.m. local time (11 p.m. ET). Some Trump supporters were punched. One woman wearing a "Trump" jersey was cornered, spit at, and pelted with eggs and water bottles.

Police held back at first but eventually moved in. San Jose Police Sgt. Enrique Garcia told NBC News that several protesters were arrested and one officer was assaulted in the melee.
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Unbelievable ! At some point Trump supporters are going to start fighting back and then we'll hear hysterical left wing voices blabbering how "This is Fascism".
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Unbelievable ! At some point Trump supporters are going to start fighting back and then we'll hear hysterical left wing voices blabbering how "This is Fascism".
Yes. The Trump supporters will be the bad guys no matter what they do. I understand these people who assaulted them were also burning an American flag. If Trump supporters were the egg tossers it would be a lot bigger story on the news. I am sure that the twist on this story will eventually be that the Trump supporters incited it.
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This is shameful behavior on the part of the protestors. Civil disobedience and protest in a democracy are not an excuse for violence.
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It's not acceptable for anyone to be doing this. HRC denounced this type of behavior. She didn't offer to pay the legal expenses.
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These protesters are acting stupidly.

I get their anger and I share some of it, but how the is physically attacking Trump supporters going to help the cause? They are playing right into Trump's hands and his narrative. Trump has been hoping for something like this to happen since it's primarily been his supporters who have caused the most violence at previous rallies, and trump himself promotes and incites violence. Now he can point to the other side.

Trump has been on his heels, and this helps him immensely. Instead of talking about Trump scandals we're talking about the thuggish protesters who beat up and bloodied Trump supporters. Trump and the media will use this as a reset to talk only about the protesters and not Trump U, his lawsuits, or his racism.

Expect like this to escalate as the election gets closer. This - sadly - won't be the last violent incident this election.
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Not only is attempting to physically intimidating voters unacceptable behavior, but it's also stupid behavior. I wonder just how many people will vote Trump just to spite the mob? As a Canadian I've been following the election since the beginning and although I remain repulsed by Trump, there's a growing part of hoping he'll take the presidency because some of his detractors repulse me more. That's not good democracy! That's not good for anyone.
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These protesters are acting stupidly.

I get their anger and I share some of it, but how the is physically attacking Trump supporters going to help the cause? They are playing right into Trump's hands and his narrative. Trump has been hoping for something like this to happen since it's primarily been his supporters who have caused the most violence at previous rallies, and trump himself promotes and incites violence. Now he can point to the other side.

Trump has been on his heels, and this helps him immensely. Instead of talking about Trump scandals we're talking about the thuggish protesters who beat up and bloodied Trump supporters. Trump and the media will use this as a reset to talk only about the protesters and not Trump U, his lawsuits, or his racism.

Expect like this to escalate as the election gets closer. This - sadly - won't be the last violent incident this election.
Although the current domestic situation is quite different, what you mention about the protesters' not helping the cause reminds me of the 1968 Democratic Convention in which the violent eruption on the streets hurt the Democrats and enabled Nixon to run on a law-and-order platform.

Despite the fact Nixon was a disturbed individual, if only we had presidential candidates of the quality of Nixon and Humphrey today.
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Trump supporters have been causing most of the violence at previous rallies ? You mean like in Chicago, St Louis, Pittsburgh, Albuquerque, Salt Lake City, Costa Mesa, Burlingame, San Diego, etc.
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Wonder why police held back for so long, allowing this to continue and even escalate before they stepped in?? Anybody want to take a guess? The Democrats in power were hoping that a Trump supporter would throw a punch so they could capture it and capitalize on it. Cudos to Trump supporters for holding back, and forcing the police to take action on the mob. This story will get buried, the mobs will continue to try and incite violence from the Trump supporters. Would love to know who is paying the protesters this time.
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Only my y disdain for those assaultingTrump supporters is greater than my disdain for Trump...but not by much.
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Let's all gather around for a moment, so I can tell you a story.

A couple years back, a fundamentalist group of Christians posted videos of them being attacked by a group of Muslims in America. It painted a pretty grim picture, suggesting that maybe the right-wing elements in this country are right about the dangers of Islam in America.

However, the entire event happened in Dearborn. MI. As a Michigan resident, something seemed off to me. For the most part, they integrated fairly well into American culture. While I still felt the violence of the counter-protestors was uncalled for, I knew there was something missing. This group of so-called Christians weren't telling the whole story.

A couple days later, videos began to surface proving me right. These "Christians" came with signs, saying that their prophet was a pedophile burning in hell, and they carried around an actual severed pig's head that they were shoving in the faces of the people who where there, taunting them.

Again, while it doesn't justify the use of violence, it does make it a little bit harder to sympathize with the "poor victimized Christians", since they got the response they were fishing for it the first place.

What does this have to do with this? Well, nothing is black and white. And its highly unlikely that some Trump supporters didn't deliberately egg on some of the protestors, no pun intended. And this works wonders for the Trump campaign; let's make out people against Trump to be violent and dangerous... Trump will bring law and order to an out of control America.

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So far the highest arrest total I've seen listed is 4 ! If that's the case, and San Jose has any budget problems in the near future, getting rid of there police force might be a good way to cut expenses. I mean, who really needs to pay a bunch of guys to dress up like Darth Vader so they can watch people get punched and kicked a short distance away.


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This is profoundly stupid on the part of these protesters. It does nothing but galvanize Trump supporters, and violence is never called for in the process of protesting.

Food for thought; we didn't see this type of violent protest against Romney or McCain. Trump seems to bring out the worst in everyone.
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This is profoundly stupid on the part of these protesters. It does nothing but galvanize Trump supporters, and violence is never called for in the process of protesting.

Food for thought; we didn't see this type of violent protest against Romney or McCain. Trump seems to bring out the worst in everyone.
I'm with you. What the protestors did was uncalled for. There's enough video to get each of these individuals and lock them up.
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Only Donald Trump knows the secret of bringing out the inner criminal lurking below the surface of dozens of street thugs and anarchists ?
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Unbelievable ! At some point Trump supporters are going to start fighting back and then we'll hear hysterical left wing voices blabbering how "This is Fascism".
So your saying it's ok for Trump supporters to fight back.

When I said it was ok for people to fight back if they attacked, conservatives here said I wasn't following MLK, or Gandhi they even said Jesus.

So I guess a true conservative can fight back and it be ok, but everyone else, is wrong?

Huh interesting
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I'm with you. What the protestors did was uncalled for. There's enough video to get each of these individuals and lock them up.
Which is exactly what should happen. I can't imagine what things will be like in Cleveland for the convention.
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Which is exactly what should happen. I can't imagine what things will be like in Cleveland for the convention.
We have enough cameras especially a lot more for the convention, prosecute them to prison, give them hard time.

Now having said that. If they protest, I have no problems with that. Throwing eggs, or rocks, punching I don't agree with that. Protesting against Trump or Clinton or sanders I'm ok with as long as it's civil.

Also, if any candidate says p, fight back, the candidate must be held liable and they must also face criminal charges.
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... Trump has been hoping for something like this to happen since it's primarily been his supporters who have caused the most violence at previous rallies, and trump himself promotes and incites violence.* Now he can point to the other side. <snip>
This is FALSE! Where have you been getting your news??

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Trump supporters have been causing most of the violence at previous rallies ? You mean like in Chicago, St Louis, Pittsburgh, Albuquerque, Salt Lake City, Costa Mesa, Burlingame, San Diego, etc.
This is TRUE. There is video proof.
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These protesters are acting stupidly.

I get their anger and I share some of it, but how the is physically attacking Trump supporters going to help the cause? They are playing right into Trump's hands and his narrative. Trump has been hoping for something like this to happen since it's primarily been his supporters who have caused the most violence at previous rallies, and trump himself promotes and incites violence. Now he can point to the other side.

Trump has been on his heels, and this helps him immensely. Instead of talking about Trump scandals we're talking about the thuggish protesters who beat up and bloodied Trump supporters. Trump and the media will use this as a reset to talk only about the protesters and not Trump U, his lawsuits, or his racism.

Expect like this to escalate as the election gets closer. This - sadly - won't be the last violent incident this election.
The "protesters" are speaking in Spanish, waving the Mexican flag, and burning the American flag. When they hit someone, then that is a crime called battery.

We have them on video.

So arrest them.

Put them in jail.

If they are being paid to "demonstrate", then their employers should be charged with crimes as well.

If they are not U.S. citizens they should be expelled. And if they are repeaters, then the punishment should be severe.
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This is TRUE. There is video proof.

Actually, the protesters are anti-Trump.

Check with Breitbart.

They are being paid by subsidiaries of Media Matters and George Soros. Check it out.
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Here are links to more video of the violence. Warning obviously violence shown linked and bad language/swearing may be a possibility, not sure:

Link to video of an attack:

https://twitter.com/saramurray/statu...75641340088320

According to the following, "Protesters chant "Bernie, Bernie, Bernie" after scuffle with an apparent Trump supporter."

https://twitter.com/danmericacnn/sta...79765150371840

Another attack on Trump supporter:

https://twitter.com/timcast/status/738561162980134913
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Actually, the protesters are anti-Trump.

Check with Breitbart.

They are being paid by subsidiaries of Media Matters and George Soros. Check it out.
Perhaps I did not make myself clear — or you misunderstood my post.

If you will please re-read the quote to which I referred in my second post, I am AGREEING with what was stated. (Listing the cities where there have been violent anti-Trump protests.) I agreed there is video proof that the violent protester are ANTI-Trump.

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These protesters are acting stupidly.

I get their anger and I share some of it, but how the is physically attacking Trump supporters going to help the cause? They are playing right into Trump's hands and his narrative. Trump has been hoping for something like this to happen since it's primarily been his supporters who have caused the most violence at previous rallies, and trump himself promotes and incites violence. Now he can point to the other side.

Trump has been on his heels, and this helps him immensely. Instead of talking about Trump scandals we're talking about the thuggish protesters who beat up and bloodied Trump supporters. Trump and the media will use this as a reset to talk only about the protesters and not Trump U, his lawsuits, or his racism.

Expect like this to escalate as the election gets closer. This - sadly - won't be the last violent incident this election.
Trump's supporters have caused most of the violence? Are you kidding me? There has been a FEW instances of Trump supporters physically throwing out leftists who disrupt Trump events, but there have been ABSOLUTELY NO instances of Trump supporters involved in this level of violence.

Conservatives don't riot. We plan, we stockpile, and we prepare.

Agreed these protestors are acting stupidly. After all, they are leftist puppets of Soros et al.

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Not only is attempting to physically intimidating voters unacceptable behavior, but it's also stupid behavior. I wonder just how many people will vote Trump just to spite the mob? .
I am one of them. I don't like Trump, but if you and your family come to my country and then wave your home-nation's flat at a Trump rally while screaming epithets, I'm going to vote for whoever has pissed you off.

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Trump supporters have been causing most of the violence at previous rallies ? You mean like in Chicago, St Louis, Pittsburgh, Albuquerque, Salt Lake City, Costa Mesa, Burlingame, San Diego, etc.
Exactly!!!

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So your saying it's ok for Trump supporters to fight back.

When I said it was ok for people to fight back if they attacked, conservatives here said I wasn't following MLK, or Gandhi they even said Jesus.

So I guess a true conservative can fight back and it be ok, but everyone else, is wrong?

Huh interesting
Yes, it's ok for Trump supporters to fight back. Want to know the reason such leftists don't pull this kind of stupidity in conservative areas of the country? Because we would fight back, and we know how to ACTUALLY fight. See my above statement about preparing, planning, and stockpiling.

If they had tried that in my hometown they would have been met with SCORES of armed men ready to protect and defend the constitution and the women in jeopardy.

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The "protesters" are speaking in Spanish, waving the Mexican flag, and burning the American flag. When they hit someone, then that is a crime called battery.

We have them on video.

So arrest them.

Put them in jail.

If they are being paid to "demonstrate", then their employers should be charged with crimes as well.

If they are not U.S. citizens they should be expelled. And if they are repeaters, then the punishment should be severe.
Not going to happen, for the same reason that Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder, Lois Lerner, Koskinen, and scores of other leftists won't be indicted.
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So far the highest arrest total I've seen listed is 4 !
It seems like there should be more arrests.


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Perhaps I did not make myself clear — or you misunderstood my post.

If you will please re-read the quote to which I referred in my second post, I am AGREEING with what was stated. (Listing the cities where there have been violent anti-Trump protests.) I agreed there is video proof that the violent protester are ANTI-Trump.

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The majority of America is Anti Trump and none of them are violent. It would not surprise me at all to learn that Trump was behind the violence at his rallies.
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The majority of America is Anti Trump and none of them are violent. It would not surprise me at all to learn that Trump was behind the violence at his rallies.
What evidence to validate any of this is there?
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The lack of police action on numerous occasions outside of Trump rallies is sending a clear message that you can kick, punch, throw rocks and bottles, try to shove your way through police lines and behave like a hoodlum, and there's a real good chance, you WON'T get arrested.
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The majority of America is Anti Trump and none of them are violent. It would not surprise me at all to learn that Trump was behind the violence at his rallies.
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So your being a hypocrite and cynical. You said it's ok for Trump supporters to fight back but democrats can't
Very mature of you.
While I am very much a hypocrite, not so on these matters. Anyone who is assaulted has the right to fight back. You might want to stop with the personal attacks.

These chumps wouldn't stand a chance in a conservative area of America. Trump is simply a symptom of how people are FED UP with the leftist agenda being pushed down their throat.
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What evidence to validate any of this is there?
I know this is anecdotal evidence, but I don't know anyone who actually like Donald Trump and this includes people who plan to vote for him, simply because he has the benefit of not being Hillary Clinton. Likewise, most people I know who are planning to vote for Hillary are doing so simply because he's not Donald Trump. I can't say either candidate is actually liked all that much.

I know that each have their supporters, but people I've talked to, young and old, who are voting for one or another aren't doing so because they like the candidate.
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While I am very much a hypocrite, not so on these matters. Anyone who is assaulted has the right to fight back. You might want to stop with the personal attacks.

These chumps wouldn't stand a chance in a conservative area of America. Trump is simply a symptom of how people are FED UP with the leftist agenda being pushed down their throat.
I think Trump is more a symptom, much like Sanders, has more to do with the fact that people are fed up with the bloated, useless bureaucracy than anything to do with the right-left thing.
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I know this is anecdotal evidence, but I don't know anyone who actually like Donald Trump and this includes people who plan to vote for him, simply because he has the benefit of not being Hillary Clinton. Likewise, most people I know who are planning to vote for Hillary are doing so simply because he's not Donald Trump. I can't say either candidate is actually liked all that much.

I know that each have their supporters, but people I've talked to, young and old, who are voting for one or another aren't doing so because they like the candidate.
I like him - a lot!
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I think Trump is more a symptom, much like Sanders, has more to do with the fact that people are fed up with the bloated, useless bureaucracy than anything to do with the right-left thing.
Nope I think it is the leftist agenda that makes most Americans dislike this current administration.
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Trump supporters have been causing most of the violence at previous rallies?

You mean like in Chicago, St Louis, Pittsburgh, Albuquerque, Salt Lake City, Costa Mesa, Burlingame, San Diego, etc.
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The majority of America is Anti Trump and none of them are violent. It would not surprise me at all to learn that Trump was behind the violence at his rallies.
Video evidence proves otherwise.
Check news reports of the Trump rallies in those cities cited by Seamus, as well as the coverage of yesterday's Trump rally in San Jose.

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Check with Breitbart.

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The majority of America is Anti Trump and none of them are violent. It would not surprise me at all to learn that Trump was behind the violence at his rallies.
You know, I think both sides KNOW this works. I wouldn't be surprised it both sides are using tactics like to cause havoc and distress to win points.
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It seems like there should be more arrests.
I totally agree. Both sides of the protestors are fighting. Some may call it defending their ground, but 4 is such a low number. The authorities need 1) watch footage of the protests and start arresting people. 2) If they know a protest will happen, do it 1/5 to 1/4 miles from the area.
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It seems like there should be more arrests.
There was another protest rally were more people were arrested. It was even posted on here at CAF.

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No one likes trump?

Seriously?

Hillary has a rally and 200 people show up.

Trump has a rally and 5,000 people show up (most of whom actually took time off from work to go!)

Anecdotally, that ought to put paid to the belief that trump is unloved.
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While I am very much a hypocrite, not so on these matters. Anyone who is assaulted has the right to fight back. You might want to stop with the personal attacks.

These chumps wouldn't stand a chance in a conservative area of America. Trump is simply a symptom of how people are FED UP with the leftist agenda being pushed down their throat.
I knew I had a discussion with you in another thread about protests. You called me out saying, and I'm quoting you (you will say I'm a liar but I will show you the link to your words)
"Sounds like you are not a follower of Dr. Martin Luther King or Gandhi, two men who brought about incredible racial reforms through peaceful resolve. Jesus used the same techniques."

Then you said this about me:
"Sounds like you are, instead, a follower of the New Black Panther techniques."

So 1st of all, you switched your position, bc as you posted there (and trust me I will show you the thread) we have to be calm like Gandhi and MLK and Jesus. Or did you change your mind?

Then you get upset at me for calling you a cynical and hypocrite, when you labeled me a black panther. Your the one who instigated. I did as you said you would, defend myself.


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This story will get buried, the mobs will continue to try and incite violence from the Trump supporters.
The story didn't get buried at all. I saw the story on our local news here in Denver this morning, and it was the opening story for Good Morning America!

How is that "burying the story"?

Let's all try to get a grip on reality here, people.

Seriously. Sheesh.
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Attention! The violence occurring where people are attending a promotional event for Trump is not caused by "protestors". That label should not be used to identify criminal thugs, organized and sponsored to wreck destruction and harm. Displaying an opposite opinion or supporting an opinion is a legal, civil, act by law abiding citizens. The violent actions taking place are the product of underground anarchists that have been allowed and encouraged during the Obama administration. The radical left have rendered the police force ineffectual to keep the peace. The orders come from the top down. The more this is allowed the worse it will be. The job of the President is to protect the nation. This is another example of the enemy within.
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Attention! The violence occurring where people are attending a promotional event for Trump is not caused by "protestors". That label should not be used to identify criminal thugs, organized and sponsored to wreck destruction and harm. Displaying an opposite opinion or supporting an opinion is a legal, civil, act by law abiding citizens. The violent actions taking place are the product of underground anarchists that have been allowed and encouraged during the Obama administration. The radical left have rendered the police force ineffectual to keep the peace. The orders come from the top down. The more this is allowed the worse it will be. The job of the President is to protect the nation. This is another example of the enemy within.
Yeah and Clinton probably hired them!!
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You know, I think both sides KNOW this works. I wouldn't be surprised it both sides are using tactics like to cause havoc and distress to win points.
I haven't seen this happening at Clinton rallies. What are you talking about?
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Why do people get so upset at a Trump rally? It's not necessary! Whoever win, it's not worth it. CHOOSE LOVE!
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I haven't seen this happening at Clinton rallies. What are you talking about?
There's being protestors who have rushed the stage at Sanders.

But no protests to the size like at the Trump events.
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These protestors are most likely Bernie supporters. Imagine what they would do if they Trump actually gets elected. They may start a violent socialist revolution against Trump.
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It's lucky that it was so tame. That area is filled with the most arrogant, self-important protesters on Earth, so it could have been much, much worse. I'm very familiar with that whole area, the Monterey Bay area and the San Francisco Bay Area, and that sort of behaviour is just to be expected. I've been to protests in those areas and seen people beaten unconscious, newspaper machines hurled through windows, cars getting their sidewalls slashed, arsons, etcetera. Anyone on CAF who's from that general area is probably not going to be surprised by what happened to a minority of (foolishly vocal) Donald Trump supporters....
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I haven't seen this happening at Clinton rallies. What are you talking about?
All I'm trying to say is this: This year, this election- the stakes are high. Politics being politics, I wouldn't be surprised if both sides were playing indecently in some way. And that the politicians have all sorts of ability to hire the best strategists- people who know people in and out and what wins attention and favor. (Someone here said that Trump might have hired the protesters to gain publicity, support)

You can't be deceived into thinking just because you like your candidate that there might not be devious things going on in order to win the election. If you haven't seen this happening at Clinton rallies, maybe there is a reason why: another tactic, another stratagem. They don't have to be the same approach.
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That's ridiculous.
I'm not sure if you are denying that any of the protestors were Bernie Sanders supporters or what but at least some of the protesters appear to have been Bernie Sanders supporters. I don't know if they would launch a "violent socialist revolution" as Joseph3 says, but look at what they are saying through the second link used here: http://forums.catholic.com/showpost....0&postcount=27
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All I remember, when the Danish and French Political Cartoonists made cruel satirical political cartoons lampooning Islam's prophet, News Media blared: why do the Islamic mobs protest? Why do they riot in the streets throughout the world? Why do they use violence against us and that any attempt to stifle or silence the political cartoonists was wrong in a "Liberal Democracy" (i.e., Liberal Oligarchy).

Now I see the Talking Heads on CNN (and Mrs. Clinton too) making excuses and condoning the violent behavior of the violent mobs at Campaign rallies in the U.S., stating "if you (i.e., Trump) use incendiary words, you can expect incendiary reactions from people".
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It seems like there should be more arrests.
Someone with law enforcement experience might be able to shed some light on this, but I wonder if the police made individual arrests when it was deemed prudent, but were more concerned with containing crowd violence in an organized fashion.

As a comparison, during the Ferguson protests, sometimes violence occurred. My sense is that many of arrests were made months later, after video evidence was examined and community information shared. In Albuquerque, such delayed arrests seem to be what is planned for the anti-Trump protesters who engaged in violence.
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This is profoundly stupid on the part of these protesters. It does nothing but galvanize Trump supporters, and violence is never called for in the process of protesting.

Food for thought; we didn't see this type of violent protest against Romney or McCain. Trump seems to bring out the worst in everyone.
So......it's Trumps fault that paid protesters are attacking. Why not look for the source of what is motivating the protesters? It is not disdain for trump. It's using the lowlifes who have no jobs and no futures, busing them in and putting them up in hotels, supplying food, and giving them just enough money so they continue to do their jobs. these are the same people who were the "wall street protesters" etc. They are working for the DNC. 
 
 
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So......it's Trumps fault that paid protesters are attacking. Why not look for the source of what is motivating the protesters? It is not disdain for trump. It's using the lowlifes who have no jobs and no futures, busing them in and putting them up in hotels, supplying food, and giving them just enough money so they continue to do their jobs. these are the same people who were the "wall street protesters" etc. They are working for the DNC.
Yep, the media needs to uncover and reveal what the truth is about these 'protesters', but that will never happen as the media itself has their role to play in dissing trump as much as they can.

Whenever REAL change is possible and a candidate may actually do what they talk about during the campaign, of course those who have the most to loose are going to fight back, the most vocal are more than likely the most corrupt and benefiting from the same old business as usual in DC over the years.

Ever notice how just about every presidential candidate likes to say they are going to get into office and change things, they like to say they are not part of the DC insider crowd, not a 'career politician'...well, when they are running around talking like this, we never saw any serious opposition to them or major protesting, so that tells me, there was never any threat to the corruption to begin with, they already knew the candidates were just trying to get elected and not really going to throw a wrench into business as usual if elected.

Trump is different though, the corrupt in DC recognize he really will stand by what he says and there is a major threat to their livelihood and power.

Its going to get worse, the real fat cats in DC are going to up their tactics the closer we get to November, but they dont realize all their efforts just make Trump more favorable. LOL
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Regardless of the number of people who refuse to accept the truth, there is quite alot of video evidence that supporters of Bernie Sanders have been involved in attempts to shutdown Trump rallies. How could that ever happen ? Because he's a Socialist, and big surprise he's attracted supporters who believe in violence to further political goals.
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Someone with law enforcement experience might be able to shed some light on this, but I wonder if the police made individual arrests when it was deemed prudent, but were more concerned with containing crowd violence in an organized fashion.

As a comparison, during the Ferguson protests, sometimes violence occurred. My sense is that many of arrests were made months later, after video evidence was examined and community information shared. In Albuquerque, such delayed arrests seem to be what is planned for the anti-Trump protesters who engaged in violence.
The chief of the San Jose Police Department admitted that they didn't have enough officers there.

Looking at the video, it looks like they did poor strategic planning and were probably worried about the Ferguson Effect. Normal anti-riot procedure is to declare an unlawful assembly, establish a line, and begin advancing forward to disperse the crowd. Teams of officers love forward, grab anyone brandishing a weapon or throwing anything or assaulting anyone, and pull them back through the line for arrest and processing. Any flash points, like the garage where rioters were rocking and attacking the cars of Trump supporters trying to flee the area should have been the target of mobile teams that would move in to disperse the rioters, by force if necessary.

As every second rioter there had a cell phone out filming the chaos, the police were probably afraid to be seen as "over-reacting."

In the future, other cities would be wise to establish a cordon between the event site / parking for the rally attendees, and a protest zone for the Clinton/Sanders supporters. There is no constitutional need to allow protestors to get up close and personal with Trump supporters, which will lead to violence.

If the police don't allow peaceful abortion protestors to approach people entering or leaving an abortion clinic, there is no reason on earth why they should allow a violence-prone mob to approach a group leaving or entering a constitutionally-protected political assembly.
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In the future, other cities would be wise to establish a cordon between the event site / parking for the rally attendees, and a protest zone for the Clinton/Sanders supporters.
I thought this was standard practice for situations involving protesters and counter-protesters.

However, in Albuquerque one of the criticisms of the police is that they did not separate the Trump supporters and the protesters.

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To enter the rally at the Convention Center, Trump supporters walked along a narrow sidewalk adjacent to the protest area. That put both sides in close proximity.

“I thought it was a really great layout if you were trying to encourage conflict between different groups,” Lujan said Thursday. “There’s only so much community groups can do to ensure there’s a safe protest. There’s also a role for police. ”
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So far the highest arrest total I've seen listed is 4 ! If that's the case, and San Jose has any budget problems in the near future, getting rid of there police force might be a good way to cut expenses. I mean, who really needs to pay a bunch of guys to dress up like Darth Vader so they can watch people get punched and kicked a short distance away.
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I thought this was standard practice for situations involving protesters and counter-protesters.

However, in Albuquerque one of the criticisms of the police is that they did not separate the Trump supporters and the protesters.
The Police were probably acting on direction from the SJ Mayor, just like in Chicago.
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Trump is different though, the corrupt in DC recognize he really will stand by what he says and there is a major threat to their livelihood and power.

Its going to get worse, the real fat cats in DC are going to up their tactics the closer we get to November, but they dont realize all their efforts just make Trump more favorable. LOL
Not a chance! I wouldn't vote for Trump if he paid me to!

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The police protect and serve, right? There were plenty of them there. So how did so much violence occur?

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I think this picture might seal Trumps victory. A group of hoodlums waving Mexican flags gave Trump the best image possible to assure a victory. It is so ridiculously helpful to Trump my conspiratorial nature makes me wonder if someone who wants Trump to win is behind the protests.
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I think this picture might seal Trumps victory.


You can't be serious!

Sure, some people will vote entirely on their emotional responses to news reports or images. And some people will only vote for the candidate they think mostly likely to win -- gotta be on the winning team, right?

But please be reassured that you are not the only one out there intelligent and insightful enough not to be swayed by the followers or protesters in this election. Believe it or not, the "undecided's" out here in voter-land are undecided BECAUSE we are NOT swayed by such antics.

Seal Trump's victory indeed. Sheesh.
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The police protect and serve, right? There were plenty of them there. So how did so much violence occur?

I think this picture might seal Trumps victory. A group of hoodlums waving Mexican flags gave Trump the best image possible to assure a victory. It is so ridiculously helpful to Trump my conspiratorial nature makes me wonder if someone who wants Trump to win is behind the protests.
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ABC News actually giving a fair an unbiased report of what happened in San Jose. Violent thugs, gang hand signs and lack of police action https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI1t8dtcXWE
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ABC News actually giving a fair an unbiased report of what happened in San Jose. Violent thugs, gang hand signs and lack of police action https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI1t8dtcXWE
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This is profoundly stupid on the part of these protesters. It does nothing but galvanize Trump supporters, and violence is never called for in the process of protesting.

Food for thought; we didn't see this type of violent protest against Romney or McCain. Trump seems to bring out the worst in everyone.
Exposing the worst in people is a good thing. It reveals what so many Americans were so angry about in the first place in order to nominate Trump.

What is being revealed here is not just contempt for Trump, but contempt for America.
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Exposing the worst in people is a good thing. It reveals what so many Americans were so angry about in the first place in order to nominate Trump.

What is being revealed here is not just contempt for Trump, but contempt for America.
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Statements from the Mayor and Police Department in San Jose http://www.sanjoseinside.com/2016/06...d-trump-rally/

I think the mayor and chief of police should lose there jobs.
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Statements from the Mayor and Police Department in San Jose http://www.sanjoseinside.com/2016/06...d-trump-rally/

I think the mayor and chief of police should lose there jobs.
There certainly should be something done. What happened here was unacceptable.

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There certainly should be something done. What happened here was unacceptable.
I agree.

Although I thought this was a settled issue, the police at any future venue need to ensure that a barrier exists between protesters and Trump rally attendees. They shouldn't be in contact with one another, whether walking to the auditorium or walking to their cars.

That San Jose didn't do this, when the best practice should have been obvious, reflects poorly on the city and its management.
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Craigslist ad looking for "individuals willing to disrupt Trump rallies throughout the US" in exchange for money. I guess there's no where to know its authenticity for sure unless it is found out who put up the ad.

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I know this is anecdotal evidence, but I don't know anyone who actually like Donald Trump and this includes people who plan to vote for him, simply because he has the benefit of not being Hillary Clinton. Likewise, most people I know who are planning to vote for Hillary are doing so simply because he's not Donald Trump. I can't say either candidate is actually liked all that much.

I know that each have their supporters, but people I've talked to, young and old, who are voting for one or another aren't doing so because they like the candidate.
I believe that. I, for, one am backing Bernie to the bitter end of the primaries. He's the only candidate who understands the dialectic; the fact that the current "free market" system is dying of its own internal contradictions. But if Mrs. Clinton gets the nomination, I'll walk over hot coals to vote for Donald Trump. Anybody but Clinton.
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Regardless of the number of people who refuse to accept the truth, there is quite alot of video evidence that supporters of Bernie Sanders have been involved in attempts to shutdown Trump rallies. How could that ever happen ? Because he's a Socialist, and big surprise he's attracted supporters who believe in violence to further political goals.
Nonsense. Sanders is a decent man and that's not his modus operandi. Clinton and Soros are behind the violence. Full stop.
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I knew I had a discussion with you in another thread about protests. You called me out saying, and I'm quoting you (you will say I'm a liar but I will show you the link to your words)
"Sounds like you are not a follower of Dr. Martin Luther King or Gandhi, two men who brought about incredible racial reforms through peaceful resolve. Jesus used the same techniques."

Then you said this about me:
"Sounds like you are, instead, a follower of the New Black Panther techniques."

So 1st of all, you switched your position, bc as you posted there (and trust me I will show you the thread) we have to be calm like Gandhi and MLK and Jesus. Or did you change your mind?

Then you get upset at me for calling you a cynical and hypocrite, when you labeled me a black panther. Your the one who instigated. I did as you said you would, defend myself.


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I'll try to explain it for you one more time, but I can't understanding it FOR you.

Your first postings made it sound like you supported violent PROTESTS, such as the leftists who wrecked Ferguson, Baltimore, etc. This was why I said it sounded like your ideology was more NBB than MLK.

PROTESTS should be peaceful. Look at the truly MASSIVE protest the Catholic Church puts on every year in front of the SCOTUS building protesting abortion. This is how we should protest.

But there is a big difference between protesting and defending themselves. If I, or my family, are attacked by leftist loons while we are peacefully protesting, then my sign suddenly becomes my sword. Fortunately for me, I live in an area where many good men and women carry more than swords on them all of the time, so we don't have such stupidity as we have seen in Ferguson, Baltimore, and now San Jose.

So there, I've explained it again for you. Like I said, I can't understand it for you, that's up to you.
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Nonsense. Sanders is a decent man and that's not his modus operandi. Clinton and Soros are behind the violence. Full stop.
Bibcat - I agree Sanders is a decent man, but he IS a socialist. Karl Marx wasn't a bad guy either, but look at what his ideology led to - some of the greatest perpetrations of Evil in the history of the planet (Lenin's and Mao's purge).

I also agree that Soros is behind the violence, but not so sure about Clinton. I think she is more of a Alinsky-type vulture. She is waiting for everything to fall apart so that she and her ultra-rich friends can come in an pick everything clean.
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Bernie Sanders is a decent man NARAL gives him a perfect score and he supports same sex marriage.
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This is disturbing news, and quite shameful. People should not be attacked for their beliefs or who they support. Whether it's a politician or someone else. I am not pleased with what Trump stands for, and his own personal views, but I don't go and cause harm on his supporters. Very disturbing.
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Did you all see the "hitter" sneak up from behind, and crouching low, and smack a person walking slowly away .... and smack the walker in the side of the head ... in the ear ... with a shopping bag filled with some seemingly heavy object ... resulting in a bloody wound.


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Bernie Sanders is a decent man NARAL gives him a perfect score and he supports same sex marriage.
I don't agree with ANY of his politics, but I have no indication that the man is a thief, a liar, or wants to harm anyone. I believe his socialist views are due to the addictive properties of socialism (free stuff for everyone) than it is his own personal need for power (like Clintons).

Karl Marx was a good guy as well. But, unfortunately, Socialism always empowers the state, and there will inevitably be a Lenin who follows.
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I don't agree with ANY of his politics, but I have no indication that the man is a thief, a liar, or wants to harm anyone. I believe his socialist views are due to the addictive properties of socialism (free stuff for everyone) than it is his own personal need for power (like Clintons).

Karl Marx was a good guy as well. But, unfortunately, Socialism always empowers the state, and there will inevitably be a Lenin who follows.
There is more to being a decent man than being a thief or a liar. I'd say that makes him honest, not decent. You can't support some of the things he supports and get labeled "decent."

Again, if we simply exchanged the word "abortion" with "gassing of Jews" these conversations would take a much different direction.
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There is more to being a decent man than being a thief or a liar. I'd say that makes him honest, not decent. You can't support some of the things he supports and get labeled "decent."

Again, if we simply exchanged the word "abortion" with "gassing of Jews" these conversations would take a much different direction.
Good point. Again, I disagree with him on virtually every point politically, but I don't think he is in politics for the kleptocracy as the Clintons are.
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I'll try to explain it for you one more time, but I can't understanding it FOR you.

Your first postings made it sound like you supported violent PROTESTS, such as the leftists who wrecked Ferguson, Baltimore, etc. This was why I said it sounded like your ideology was more NBB than MLK.

PROTESTS should be peaceful. Look at the truly MASSIVE protest the Catholic Church puts on every year in front of the SCOTUS building protesting abortion. This is how we should protest.

But there is a big difference between protesting and defending themselves. If I, or my family, are attacked by leftist loons while we are peacefully protesting, then my sign suddenly becomes my sword. Fortunately for me, I live in an area where many good men and women carry more than swords on them all of the time, so we don't have such stupidity as we have seen in Ferguson, Baltimore, and now San Jose.

So there, I've explained it again for you. Like I said, I can't understand it for you, that's up to you.
No, that's not what you said. You said I wasn't Christ like nor MLK like bc I said that protests were good. I even said, if someone came after me like the Civil Rights Marches in the 60s, I would of fought back.

You and I have the same position, bc you have said that if someone in the left came and attacked you or your family you would fight back. I don't see how your response is different than mine. But of course, you will say that I don't understand you, but that is the way you want it to sound bc you know I caught you in your own words.
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The news reporters need to tell the truth to the American people. These criminals have been recruited by powers with money that need to be exposed. The White House is not going to help put an end to the assaults and destruction - the police are not on the "Appreciation List" - nor the military! How many major cities have stood down while these thugs have run rampant. The order of the day is "hold the line, do nothing unless its certain that a life is in peril of - you know, ending! If a policeman should put hands on such a "fine" citizen in the midst of such a civic demonstration, well .... think of the lawsuit.

This scene has been replayed more than episodes of "MASH"!
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Bibcat - I agree Sanders is a decent man, but he IS a socialist. Karl Marx wasn't a bad guy either, but look at what his ideology led to - some of the greatest perpetrations of Evil in the history of the planet (Lenin's and Mao's purge).

I also agree that Soros is behind the violence, but not so sure about Clinton. I think she is more of a Alinsky-type vulture. She is waiting for everything to fall apart so that she and her ultra-rich friends can come in an pick everything clean.
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This is disturbing news, and quite shameful. People should not be attacked for their beliefs or who they support. Whether it's a politician or someone else. I am not pleased with what Trump stands for, and his own personal views, but I don't go and cause harm on his supporters. Very disturbing.
The people who show up at Trump rallys are wimps. Cheek-turners. They don't fight back. How can you respect that? I have more respect for the "thugs." At least they're willing to take direct action and not act like sheep.
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The chief of the San Jose Police Department admitted that they didn't have enough officers there.

Looking at the video, it looks like they did poor strategic planning and were probably worried about the Ferguson Effect. Normal anti-riot procedure is to declare an unlawful assembly, establish a line, and begin advancing forward to disperse the crowd. Teams of officers love forward, grab anyone brandishing a weapon or throwing anything or assaulting anyone, and pull them back through the line for arrest and processing. Any flash points, like the garage where rioters were rocking and attacking the cars of Trump supporters trying to flee the area should have been the target of mobile teams that would move in to disperse the rioters, by force if necessary.

As every second rioter there had a cell phone out filming the chaos, the police were probably afraid to be seen as "over-reacting."

In the future, other cities would be wise to establish a cordon between the event site / parking for the rally attendees, and a protest zone for the Clinton/Sanders supporters. There is no constitutional need to allow protestors to get up close and personal with Trump supporters, which will lead to violence.

If the police don't allow peaceful abortion protestors to approach people entering or leaving an abortion clinic, there is no reason on earth why they should allow a violence-prone mob to approach a group leaving or entering a constitutionally-protected political assembly.
All true, although a Trump rally in CA is pointless at this stage. Doesn't matter if Clinton, Sanders or Daffy Duck gets the dem nomination. No way will Trump win CA and we all know that. So why bother except to stir the pot.
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Bernie Sanders is a decent man NARAL gives him a perfect score and he supports same sex marriage.
Political differences. That's all. And his record on 2nd Amendment rights is pretty good. He's no gun-grabber.
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The people who show up at Trump rallys are wimps. Cheek-turners. They don't fight back. How can you respect that? I have more respect for the "thugs." At least they're willing to take direct action and not act like sheep.
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No, that's not what you said. You said I wasn't Christ like nor MLK like bc I said that protests were good. I even said, if someone came after me like the Civil Rights Marches in the 60s, I would of fought back.

You and I have the same position, bc you have said that if someone in the left came and attacked you or your family you would fight back. I don't see how your response is different than mine. But of course, you will say that I don't understand you, but that is the way you want it to sound bc you know I caught you in your own words.
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Yes, we have now promised so much free stuff to so many people that we're too broke to take care of the things the federal government is ACTUALLY supposed to take care of.

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The people who show up at Trump rallys are wimps. Cheek-turners. They don't fight back. How can you respect that? I have more respect for the "thugs." At least they're willing to take direct action and not act like sheep.
Really?? You respect the thugs who shut down free speech via violent means??
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The people who show up at Trump rallys are wimps. Cheek-turners. They don't fight back. How can you respect that? I have more respect for the "thugs." At least they're willing to take direct action and not act like sheep.
Classic socialism is like that too.
Violence has been a very useful tool in the socialist arsenal. They are a lot like the fascists that they clash with in that way.
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The people who show up at Trump rallys are wimps. Cheek-turners. They don't fight back. How can you respect that? I have more respect for the "thugs." At least they're willing to take direct action and not act like sheep.
Thanks for showing us how it is with you die-hard liberals. It's not really news to me though.
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Thanks for showing us how it is with you die-hard liberals. It's not really news to me though.
You call me a liberal? You've obviously never read my posts condemning same-sex "marriage." But thanks for playing.
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The reds, anarchists, gang members, and reconquistas have shown alot of bravery at Trump rallies, that's why you typically see them ganging up and surrounding one or two people at a time.
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The people who show up at Trump rallys are wimps. Cheek-turners. They don't fight back. How can you respect that? I have more respect for the "thugs." At least they're willing to take direct action and not act like sheep.
Yeah. Direct action bought and paid for by George Soros and the Clinton machine. Nothing sheep like about that.
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Really?? You respect the thugs who shut down free speech via violent means??

Its the last desperate act, violence and racism, its part of the tactics of the Obama/Clinton administration. Lying to the public is their other redeeming quality-Iran, ACA, VA, IRS etc. I can't imagine that the majority of america doesn't see it also. They are all done and grasping at straws attempting to destroy all those who don't agree with them. Daily lying on the liberal media state broadcasting. The only place there is a coronation of Hillary is on liberal media brainwashing channels.

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You call me a liberal? You've obviously never read my posts condemning same-sex "marriage." But thanks for playing.
Yet you are voting for the democratic ticket? That sounds crazy.
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Its the last desperate act, violence and racism, its part of the tactics of the Obama/Clinton administration. Lying to the public is their other redeeming quality-Iran, ACA, VA, IRS etc. I can't imagine that the majority of america doesn't see it also. They are all done and grasping at straws attempting to destroy all those who don't agree with them. Daily lying on the liberal media state broadcasting. The only place there is a coronation of Hillary is on liberal media brainwashing channels.



What you see is what you get, lies, violence and racism.
It's been shown time and time again. Scary.
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Yet you are voting for the democratic ticket? That sounds crazy.
Only if Sanders wins the democratic nomination, and only because Sanders has a realistic understanding of our economic future and the internal contradictions that are driving it. If Mrs. Clinton (heaven forbid) gets the nomination, I'll vote for the Billionaire with the Bad Haircut early and often, as the saying goes. I'd never vote for a Clinton. That's been a tradition of mine since 1992.
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The people who show up at Trump rallys are wimps. Cheek-turners. They don't fight back. How can you respect that? I have more respect for the "thugs." At least they're willing to take direct action and not act like sheep.
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Did you see the young woman that was cornered by a mob of thugs, assaulted with eggs and finally made it through the door to an event? Was she acting like a sheep?

There is a weird flaw in saying that respect is greater for those attacking a defenseless person because they were willing to take direct action. Weird and dangerous. This is exactly the purpose of the organized riots and police attacks.

The Nazis thrived by being willing to take direct action. Heil Hitler was their show of respect.
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Did you see the young woman that was cornered by a mob of thugs, assaulted with eggs and finally made it through the door to an event? Was she acting like a sheep?

There is a weird flaw in saying that respect is greater for those attacking a defenseless person because they were willing to take direct action. Weird and dangerous. This is exactly the purpose of the organized riots and police attacks.

The Nazis thrived by being willing to take direct action. Heil Hitler was their show of respect.
Don't wag your finger at me, Junge. Anyhow, the USA in a pre-revolutionary state, rather similar to the one Germany was in during the early days of the Great Depression, when right and left wing factions were fighting in the street, and police were ineffectual, We on the right cannot let the left have its own way,
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Oh, excuse me! The tsk tsk means the mob should not have hurt that young woman!
Did it offend you? So sorry - I just respectfully do not approve of cornering a victim by a mob of raging thugs.

I have been called a few things in my time but Judge wasn't one of them. I recall, Boss, General, Mother, Irish - I answer to those nicknames!
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Oh, excuse me! The tsk tsk means the mob should not have hurt that young woman!
Did it offend you? So sorry - I just respectfully do not approve of cornering a victim by a mob of raging thugs.

I have been called a few things in my time but Judge wasn't one of them. I recall, Boss, General, Mother, Irish - I answer to those nicknames!
You didn't read very carefully. I said Junge. That's German for "boy." Didn't realize you are girl. My bad.
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Only if Sanders wins the democratic nomination, and only because Sanders has a realistic understanding of our economic future and the internal contradictions that are driving it. If Mrs. Clinton (heaven forbid) gets the nomination, I'll vote for the Billionaire with the Bad Haircut early and often, as the saying goes. I'd never vote for a Clinton. That's been a tradition of mine since 1992.
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Oh, excuse me! The tsk tsk means the mob should not have hurt that young woman!
Did it offend you? So sorry - I just respectfully do not approve of cornering a victim by a mob of raging thugs.

Yes mobs are really scary. And they really are a bunch of bully cowards.
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The people who show up at Trump rallys are wimps. Cheek-turners. They don't fight back. How can you respect that? I have more respect for the "thugs." At least they're willing to take direct action and not act like sheep.
The first time a group of Trump supporters corner a rioter and curb-stomp him, we're going to remind you of that.
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The first time a group of Trump supporters corner a rioter and curb-stomp him, we're going to remind you of that.
I hope you don't want that to happen.
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The first time a group of Trump supporters corner a rioter and curb-stomp him, we're going to remind you of that.
That would be just what the doctor ordered!
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You didn't read very carefully. I said Junge. That's German for "boy." Didn't realize you are girl. My bad.
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LOL I did read it too fast!
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You know, eventually Trump will have to take responsibility for what other people do. this is Obama's Amerika.
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You know, eventually Trump will have to take responsibility for what other people do. this is Obama's Amerika.
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You know, eventually Trump will have to take responsibility for what other people do. this is Obama's Amerika.

What's your point in spelling "America" with a "k"?
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That would be just what the doctor ordered!
Nice. Just lovely. Yes, that's what we need in American politics - more beating of those who disagree with us.
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Would you prefer United Socialist States of Amerika comrade ?

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That's just beyond stupid.
So is the direction of the country.
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Would you prefer United Socialist States of Amerika comrade ?
AFAIK, the USA is capitalist and not socialist. For example, the air line companies are not owned by the government. Neither is Walmart or MacDonald's.
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So far the highest arrest total I've seen listed is 4 ! If that's the case, and San Jose has any budget problems in the near future, getting rid of there police force might be a good way to cut expenses. I mean, who really needs to pay a bunch of guys to dress up like Darth Vader so they can watch people get punched and kicked a short distance away.
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Would you prefer United Socialist States of Amerika comrade ?
As the USA is not socialist outside of alternate world fiction neither would be accurate.
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