Re: Sean Hannity faces-off with Priest who calls him heretic

Mar 21, '07, 4:45 pm

Dwyer Regular Member   Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,359 Religion: Byzantine Catholic

Re: Sean Hannity faces-off with Priest who calls him heretic What type of man and Catholic does this say Sean Hannity is? What does this incident does this tell us about the state of Western Civilization? What does it tell us about Fox News? It tells us there has been a rock bottom moral decline in the United States during the last century. This Hannity idiot pulled every rhetorical device conceivable during the segment, the oldest being the ad hominium attack. That is, instead of discussing the issue at hand, (i.e., Hannity's public support of artificial contraception), Hannity used the occasion to personally attack the priest personally (i.e. ad hominium, to attack the man, your debate opponent), and not deal with the real issue of his public support for artifical contraception. This deflects your debate opponent from discussing the actual topic for the debate, and is a good way to deflect criticism from yourself, so that when time runs out, you escape discussing the real issue (unless your opponent ignores the ad hominum, which is the wisest course of action ). Using this rhetorical ad hominum device is what is called a Red Herring (from a fox hunting term), because it throws your opponent off the track from discussing the real issue at hand. Fox News is not socially conservative. It has more in common, in my opinion, with the Libertarian party and the Ann Ryand pop philosophy movement than with social conservatism. I watched Cavullo or Cavallo & company on the anniversary of Roe v. Wade in 2006, and this young man Cavullo (whatever, sorry) used the term "anti-abortion" instead of Pro-life during the news discussion segment. My local Fox News station in Detroit, MI has an avowedly and open Homosexual news anchorman who regularly attends and reports on Gay events a few times each year. This station also shows old episodes of MASH during the day on the weekend and late night weekdays. Mash was an entertaining show. I mean I thought Radar, Hawkeye, and Klinger were all funny. But it did promote disrespect for the military and its hierarchy, and, in a real slick way, depicted and promoted casual sex both for the culture and as being something that TV Situation Comedies should depict in their plots. I called my local Fox station to yank the show and the anchorman and complained but nothing happened. Fox is a global worldwide business with channels is most European countries. In Australia, it owns a pay per view movie channel called Foxtel. It of course features an adult movie channel which Foxtel owns about 1/3 share of stock in. I think they're more interested in making a buck then seeing a revival of a socially conservative American culture, or in any other country. What type of man would treat a Catholic priest like that on his TV show? In my opinion, certainly not someone who belongs on a national TV "conservative" news channel. In my opinion, certainly not a Catholic man who respects the priesthood and who priests represent on earth, i.e., Christ. In my opinion, it is a man who enjoys bullying people around, cares only about himself and his own self-centeredness; In my opinion, more like some barbarian from the land of Conan. You can watch him on Fox News, every night. Last edited by Dwyer; Mar 21, '07 at 4:57 pm.     Mar 21, '07, 10:12 pm susiem New Member   Join Date: March 12, 2007 Location: New York Posts: 9 Religion: Evangelical Re: Sean Hannity faces-off with Priest who calls him heretic Quote: Originally Posted by Dwyer This Hannity idiot pulled every rhetorical device conceivable during the segment, the oldest being the ad hominium attack. That is, instead of discussing the issue at hand, (i.e., Hannity's public support of artificial contraception), Hannity used the occasion to personally attack the priest personally (i.e. ad hominium, to attack the man, your debate opponent), and not deal with the real issue of his public support for artifical contraception. This deflects your debate opponent from discussing the actual topic for the debate, and is a good way to deflect criticism from yourself, so that when time runs out, you escape discussing the real issue (unless your opponent ignores the ad hominum, which is the wisest course of action ). Call me naive...but, Mr. Hannity was accused of a GRAVE MORAL SIN...right? I think that he intentionally said (not deflected)....The Church has allowed GRAVE MORAL SIN to be covered up via the sexual abuse scandal involving priests. I heard him say, I think it would be better to focus on correcting that TERRIBLE sin that has the potential to ruin the Church than to focus on one man's opinion of ABC for non-Catholics. Priests are accountable....more accountable to God than news anchorman. I personally still say the whole mess should have never gone this far...with Sean or Father E. The folks on this forum may 'like' Father E but his web-site is loaded w/ information trashing Mr Hannity...okay how is that Christ-like??? How did Jesus Christ treat the woman at The Well??? HE treated her w/ dignity and love and truthfulness.....how did He treat Peter when he stumbled and denied Him?...with restoration....I hope the end of the Fox story is a restoration story.   #468     Mar 21, '07, 11:38 pm Nordar Regular Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: September 8, 2006 Location: NY. Posts: 3,934 Religion: Love being Catholic. Re: Sean Hannity faces-off with Priest who calls him heretic Quote: Originally Posted by susiem Call me naive...but, Mr. Hannity was accused of a GRAVE MORAL SIN...right? I think that he intentionally said (not deflected)....The Church has allowed GRAVE MORAL SIN to be covered up via the sexual abuse scandal involving priests. I heard him say, I think it would be better to focus on correcting that TERRIBLE sin that has the potential to ruin the Church than to focus on one man's opinion of ABC for non-Catholics. Priests are accountable....more accountable to God than news anchorman. I personally still say the whole mess should have never gone this far...with Sean or Father E. The folks on this forum may 'like' Father E but his web-site is loaded w/ information trashing Mr Hannity...okay how is that Christ-like??? How did Jesus Christ treat the woman at The Well??? HE treated her w/ dignity and love and truthfulness.....how did He treat Peter when he stumbled and denied Him?...with restoration....I hope the end of the Fox story is a restoration story. Since Fr E was INVITED on Hannity's show to discuss Hannity's stance on ABC he most certainly did deflect from the issues by bringing up The sexual scandals.( We all heard him say that it would be better to focus on that terrible sin). Very clearly I might add, that however was not the terrible sin that was the purpose of the INVITATION Fr was given to be on the show. We all hope this story is a restoration story of many souls. OBTW I think Fr E treated Hannity with tremendous dignity, love and truthfullness. I can't however say the same for the way Hannity treated Fr E     Vianney New Member   Join Date: October 23, 2006 Posts: 40 Religion: Catholic Re: Sean Hannity faces-off with Priest who calls him heretic Quote: Originally Posted by susiem Call me naive...but, Mr. Hannity was accused of a GRAVE MORAL SIN...right? I think that he intentionally said (not deflected)....The Church has allowed GRAVE MORAL SIN to be covered up via the sexual abuse scandal involving priests. I heard him say, I think it would be better to focus on correcting that TERRIBLE sin that has the potential to ruin the Church than to focus on one man's opinion of ABC for non-Catholics. Priests are accountable....more accountable to God than news anchorman. I personally still say the whole mess should have never gone this far...with Sean or Father E. The folks on this forum may 'like' Father E but his web-site is loaded w/ information trashing Mr Hannity...okay how is that Christ-like??? How did Jesus Christ treat the woman at The Well??? HE treated her w/ dignity and love and truthfulness.....how did He treat Peter when he stumbled and denied Him?...with restoration....I hope the end of the Fox story is a restoration story. Hannity is different from the woman at the well in that he is causing grave scandal of enormous proportion, which requires publicly correcting and denouncing his wrong if he refuses to meet privately about it (like Fr. Tom has attempted to do). Consider the millions that watch or listen to Sean Hannity, and the impact it has to hear a "devout" Catholic dissenting on a huge issue like contraception. The effect goes beyond just confusing or upseting Catholics - it creates grave scandal. "Anyone who uses the power at his disposal in such a way that it leads others to do wrong becomes guilty of scandal and responsible for the evil that he has directed or indirectly encouraged. 'Temptations to sin are sure to come; but woe to him by whom they come!' " (CCC 2287) Fr. Euteneur writes: "Given the size of his audience and the importance of his status in pop culture, Hannity's anti-witness to a fundamental tenet of Catholic moral doctrine is just devastating for the faith of others who may be weak or vacillating in this area. His impact is greater, and so his judgment will be stricter. "To those who have been given more, more will be required…" The moral of the story is that Catholic men and women in the media need to be truly Catholic or at least stop being hypocrites. We have enough pretenders to the title of Catholic in public life without being treated to superficial assessments of profound moral issues. Rules are important, but Lent is not about rule-breaking, it's about conversion of heart; and on the most important moral issues of our day, public Catholics like Hannity have no right to profess "another gospel," or the faith of millions—and indeed their own souls—are in serious jeopardy." Quote: I heard him say, I think it would be better to focus on correcting that TERRIBLE sin that has the potential to ruin the Church than to focus on one man's opinion of ABC for non-Catholics. Why is it not possible to address both wrongs simultaneously? One evil cannot be placed on the backburner while we deal with another, because they cannot be separated. The evils of contraception and the contraceptive mentality permeating society are very much linked to the priest scandals, as they are forever bound with the divorce, the break-up of the family, homosexuality and abortion. It's time we stop treating contraception as a non-issue, set aside because it causes an uncomfortable division among Christians, when the fact is, all the problems we are seeking to address are rooted in this one evil. You cannot kill a weed simply by severing its stem above the surface, you must dig deep to remove all its roots. There will be no more compromise. __________________ "Catch, then, O catch the transient hour; Improve each moment as it flies!" - St. Jerome http://thetransienthour.blogspot.com