RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man

Sep 21, '16, 4:46 am

Seamus L Senior Member   Join Date: November 22, 2007 Posts: 8,091 Religion: Catholic

RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man The protests broke out Tuesday after 43-year-old Keith Lamont Scott was fatally shot by a black officer at an apartment complex on the city's northeast side. They continued into early Wednesday morning, when TV footage showed dozens of protesters on Interstate 85 apparently looting semi-trucks and setting their contents on fire on the highway.http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/21...black-man.html

#2   Sep 21, '16, 5:24 am

Stylteralmaldo Veteran Member   Join Date: June 2, 2004 Posts: 9,000 Religion: Catholic (Latin Rite)

Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Praying for all involved. Looks like the police around the country have wised up by not putting white officers in these situations. First Mikwaukee and now here where it was a black officer doing the shooting. The narrative is attempting to move the focus of 'white vs black' to 'police vs black'. __________________ Today, I want to be transformed, whole and entire, into the love of Jesus and to offer myself, together with Him, to the Heavenly Father. - St. Faustina Kowalska

#3   Sep 21, '16, 5:34 am

chero23 Forum Master   Join Date: November 12, 2012 Posts: 15,737 Religion: Catholic

Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by Stylteralmaldo Praying for all involved. Looks like the police around the country have wised up by not putting white officers in these situations. First Mikwaukee and now here where it was a black officer doing the shooting. The narrative is attempting to move the focus of 'white vs black' to 'police vs black'. You do have to understand that police as a whole, do see themselves above all authority. With the shootings that happened in Dallas, many do see themselves as immune and feel that they cannot be blamed for anything. Having said that, it is also our job as a society (blacks, whites, Asians, Hispanics, middle eastern) to behave. To better ourselves through education. Not to feel like the country owes something. __________________ Check out my Catholic Apologetic Booklet. 121 themes/doctrines, 5,200 Bible Verses, 192 pages. English https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...bFU/edit?pli=1 Spanish https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...M2c/edit?pli=1 Let others know about my booklet.

#4   Sep 21, '16, 5:41 am

Seamus L Senior Member   Join Date: November 22, 2007 Posts: 8,091 Religion: Catholic

Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Once again, the police response was pretty weak. White motorists attacked, 12 police injured, a Walmart looted, an Interstate shutdown, and just 5 arrests !

#5   Sep 21, '16, 5:44 am

J_Peterson Regular Member   Join Date: April 7, 2012 Posts: 3,839 Religion: Catholic

Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by Seamus L Once again, the police response was pretty weak. White motorists attacked, 12 police injured, a Walmart looted, an Interstate shutdown, and just 5 arrests ! Police arresting people seems like progress. At least they didn't shoot them.

#6   Sep 21, '16, 6:04 am

Seamus L Senior Member   Join Date: November 22, 2007 Posts: 8,091 Religion: Catholic

Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Large scale disturbances here are being handled more and more like Western Europe, where police often let the mob vent their anger in hopes that they'll eventually grow tired and go home.

#7   Sep 21, '16, 6:20 am

Fuerza Regular Member   Join Date: September 19, 2005 Posts: 887 Religion: Catholic

Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by Seamus L Large scale disturbances here are being handled more and more like Western Europe, where police often let the mob vent their anger in hopes that they'll eventually grow tired and go home. We often don't have the resources to manage the heavy rioting that seems to follow any police incident, whether justified or not (While not all are justified, most people, including the "non-judgmental open minded ones" condemn the police without having the facts or any knowledge of police tactics). Strangely, very few blame the rioters for their actions. When we do manage to get up sufficient resources to respond, we are labeled as heavy-handed. When we are not able to respond quickly enough, we are labeled weak or indifferent. Lose-lose.

#8   Sep 21, '16, 7:26 am

Peter Plato Banned   Join Date: July 23, 2012 Posts: 9,909 Religion: Socratic

Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by chero23 You do have to understand that police as a whole, do see themselves above all authority. No we don't have to "understand" that. You may think that, but such a notion is far from the reality. It is about as believable and delusional as thinking that YOU, personally, are completely in touch with how "police as a whole" view themselves. It may be your personal opinion about "police as a whole," but you having a personal opinion about such matters doesn't make it, ipso facto, reality. Quote: Originally Posted by chero23 With the shootings that happened in Dallas, many do see themselves as immune and feel that they cannot be blamed for anything. Sounds like you projecting what you think is true onto reality. Quote: Originally Posted by chero23 Having said that, it is also our job as a society (blacks, whites, Asians, Hispanics, middle eastern) to behave. To better ourselves through education. Not to feel like the country owes something. Hey, I have an idea. Why don't you train to be a police officer, work as one, and then you will be better positioned to tell us what "our job" is – both as a society and as a police officer.

#9   Sep 21, '16, 7:30 am

PassingSoul Junior Member   Join Date: December 14, 2015 Posts: 290 Religion: Catholic

Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by chero23 You do have to understand that police as a whole, do see themselves above all authority. With the shootings that happened in Dallas, many do see themselves as immune and feel that they cannot be blamed for anything. Having said that, it is also our job as a society (blacks, whites, Asians, Hispanics, middle eastern) to behave. To better ourselves through education. Not to feel like the country owes something. I agree that there is an element of loose canons that believe in the motto " Shoot first and ask questions later ". I also believe Police Union Leaders have more power over police officers than the Chief of Police and local government officials that results in suppressing effective training ( Remember the NY police officers turning their backs to the NY Mayor ). I also believe police methods in making stops and confronting belligerent motorist needs to be overhauled. Too many incidents of the same nature are ending in tragic deaths.

#10   Sep 21, '16, 7:43 am

Seamus L Senior Member   Join Date: November 22, 2007 Posts: 8,091 Religion: Catholic

Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man As we see more people commit acts of violence without being arrested, don't be surprised if it leads to us seeing more rioters.

#11   Sep 21, '16, 7:53 am

Rosebud77 Veteran Member   Join Date: February 7, 2013 Posts: 10,030 Religion: Catholic

Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by J_Peterson Police arresting people seems like progress. At least they didn't shoot them. Is it not something that we feel the need to say that!

#12   Sep 21, '16, 7:54 am

Seamus L Senior Member   Join Date: November 22, 2007 Posts: 8,091 Religion: Catholic

Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Update. 16 police were injured.

#13   Sep 21, '16, 8:13 am

J_Peterson Regular Member   Join Date: April 7, 2012 Posts: 3,839 Religion: Catholic

Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by Seamus L As we see more people commit acts of violence without being arrested, don't be surprised if it leads to us seeing more rioters. That's exactly what the protests are about, people committing acts of violence and not being arrested.

#14   Sep 21, '16, 9:02 am

ProdglArchitect Regular Member   Join Date: July 18, 2012 Posts: 5,431 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by Peter Plato No we don't have to "understand" that. You may think that, but such a notion is far from the reality. It is about as believable and delusional as thinking that YOU, personally, are completely in touch with how "police as a whole" view themselves. It may be your personal opinion about "police as a whole," but you having a personal opinion about such matters doesn't make it, ipso facto, reality. Sounds like you projecting what you think is true onto reality. Hey, I have an idea. Why don't you train to be a police officer, work as one, and then you will be better positioned to tell us what "our job" is – both as a society and as a police officer.

#15   Sep 21, '16, 11:37 am

chero23 Forum Master   Join Date: November 12, 2012 Posts: 15,737 Religion: Catholic

Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by Peter Plato No we don't have to "understand" that. You may think that, but such a notion is far from the reality. It is about as believable and delusional as thinking that YOU, personally, are completely in touch with how "police as a whole" view themselves. It may be your personal opinion about "police as a whole," but you having a personal opinion about such matters doesn't make it, ipso facto, reality. Sounds like you projecting what you think is true onto reality. Hey, I have an idea. Why don't you train to be a police officer, work as one, and then you will be better positioned to tell us what "our job" is – both as a society and as a police officer. Wow all those big words, just going in circles to say a few words. Bravo bravo I do have a job that is respected by many. I work as a firefighter paramedics and guess what. We have to help those who have done things that hurt someone else. I don't judge a certain race or group bc what others did. I do my job. You see no big words, no circles straightforward __________________ Check out my Catholic Apologetic Booklet. 121 themes/doctrines, 5,200 Bible Verses, 192 pages. English https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...bFU/edit?pli=1 Spanish https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...M2c/edit?pli=1 Let others know about my booklet.      Sep 21, '16, 12:18 pm Fuerza Regular Member   Join Date: September 19, 2005 Posts: 887 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by chero23 Wow all those big words, just going in circles to say a few words. Bravo bravo I do have a job that is respected by many. I work as a firefighter paramedics and guess what. We have to help those who have done things that hurt someone else. I don't judge a certain race or group bc what others did. I do my job. You see no big words, no circles straightforward We also have to help those who have done things that hurt others. Unlike you though, however important and noble your job may be, we are also tasked with addressing those violent behaviors while you sit back and criticize from the sidelines. Are there bad and incompetent people in our line of work? Absolutely there are. But to paint us all as racist murderers, and to feel justified in doing so, is quite a stretch. We recently arrested a firefighter who was setting fires to people's homes just so he could feel like a hero when he responded. He was far from the first fireman arrested for the same thing in my jurisdiction, and there have been many others throughout the country in only the last few years. Should I say that all firemen are serial arsonists? No, because it's not true, just like the assertions that all police are bloodthirsty savages who spend their days plotting the murder of innocent minorities is not true.   #17   Sep 21, '16, 12:55 pm truetofaith Regular Member   Join Date: January 19, 2013 Posts: 4,100 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man 1. Black communities should have an all black police force......then there will be no racial bias. 2. When a cop tells a person to drop whatever is in their hand, they must comply, or else it will be seen as a threat to the cop. 3. When pulled over by a cop, don't reach under the seat for anything or hide any drugs......better to go to jail for the night than to be shot dead for mistakenly reaching for a gun.   #18   Sep 21, '16, 1:38 pm August Carlson   Join Date: December 9, 2014 Posts: 55 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Here's the timeline:and details as they are known at present: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/new...103131242.html The shooting takes place at or around 4:00 pm Eastern. The place where the shooting occurs is in an apartment complex parking lot less than one block away from the central campus of the University of North Carolina at Charlotte (UNCC). 4:00 pm is the beginning of rush hour and the end of daytime classes. Off campus students are returning home. There are lots of pedestrians in the immediate area. The word of the shooting would have spread quickly. By 5:00 p.m. (within one hour of the tragedy), the Charlotte Observer reports that at least 100 "protesters" have already gathered at the site of the shooting. (That's an interesting turn of phrase by the way, I would've expected "onlookers" not "protesters"). Apparently, social media is working ahead of the local press which has just begun to report the incident. By 7:11 (three hours after the shooting), the crowd has grown so large and menacing that the Charlotte Police Dept. are compelled to send in its Civil Emergency Unit to "safely remove our officers from the area." Now stop right here to think about what is happening at this moment. Police officers, inspectors and detectives are at the scene of the shooting collecting forensic data, and these officers are concerned enough for their own safety that they call in for help. This is an ugly crowd. How did it get so ugly so fast? Are there protest leaders on-site? BLM activists? Political operatives? Is the crowd mostly black, or is it mixed race? It most certainly is close to the campus, so my guess is would be a mixed crowd. Does anybody know the campus area enough to comment on this? By 7:45 (about a half hour later), the police are already busy identifying a "more aggressive group of agitators (interesting phrase there -- "agitators"). They feel the need to "de-escalate the the agitators." and the streets are starting to get blocked. Again, what's happening is that the crowd is not only growing, but it's getting more and more vocal and chaotic and is showing an animus towards the police and starting to obstruct and upturn civil order. This is when the riots begin -- 7:45 pm -- less than four hours after the initial incident. Within 15 minutes of the hoped for de-escalation, fires are being started, cars are being overturned, police are being attacked by people throwing objects at them. It's now out of control. The protesters certainly were able to gather their forces very quickly and they were prepared to lead people into civil disorder. I contend that, if this hadn't happened near a major campus area, there would have been no riots at all. Witness Tulsa, where a police officer allegedly gunned down an unarmed man with his hands up -- no riots.   #19   Sep 21, '16, 4:04 pm Theo520 Regular Member   Join Date: August 8, 2014 Posts: 5,576 Religion: Christian Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by truetofaith 2. When a cop tells a person to drop whatever is in their hand, they must comply, or else it will be seen as a threat to the cop. 3. When pulled over by a cop, don't reach under the seat for anything or hide any drugs......better to go to jail for the night than to be shot dead for mistakenly reaching for a gun. I agree with your two examples but don't recall when/where I was taught such. We need a massive PSA (public service announcement) push in the media and schools: - how to properly respond to the police - your rights to refuse search, etc. __________________ FACTS MATTER!   #20   Sep 21, '16, 4:49 pm mikekle Veteran Member   Join Date: August 3, 2012 Posts: 10,468 Religion: raised catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by Theo520 I agree with your two examples but don't recall when/where I was taught such. We need a massive PSA (public service announcement) push in the media and schools: - how to properly respond to the police - your rights to refuse search, etc. I agree. When I was a kid, everyone taught us to just obey anything and everything a cop tells you, I really think that was a bad idea, they need to be teaching kids their individual rights when it comes to interacting with police, like when they can legally refuse to answer questions or give out their names, IDs, etc. But ultimately the criminal justice system needs a major overhaul, from top to bottom, everything included, if that means taking some authority away from police, maybe that is something to consider.   #21   Sep 21, '16, 5:45 pm truetofaith Regular Member   Join Date: January 19, 2013 Posts: 4,100 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by Theo520 I agree with your two examples but don't recall when/where I was taught such. We need a massive PSA (public service announcement) push in the media and schools: - how to properly respond to the police - your rights to refuse search, etc. It's common sense..................but parents should teach their kids this, especially in the black community.   #22   Sep 21, '16, 5:53 pm Seamus L Senior Member   Join Date: November 22, 2007 Posts: 8,091 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man RT is reporting a shooting at tonight's protests in Charlotte https://www.rt.com/usa/360206-charlo...scott-night-2/ it's a breaking story so I imagine other sources will be reporting soon.   #23   Sep 21, '16, 6:16 pm Seamus L Senior Member   Join Date: November 22, 2007 Posts: 8,091 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man The Latest: Protesters Rush Police; Tear Gas Fired http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/l...otest-42242090   #24   Sep 21, '16, 6:42 pm gilliam Forum Elder   Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man 1 Person Shot And Killed As Protests Over Fatal Charlotte Police Shooting Turn Violent CHARLOTTE, N.C. (CBSNewYork/AP) — One person was shot and killed during protests in Charlotte on Wednesday night following the fatal police shooting of Keith Lamont Scott. Charlotte CBS affiliate WBTV reported the shooting that took place was not an officer-involved shooting. CBS News confirms that the person died. http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/09/...ests-shooting/ __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #25   Sep 21, '16, 6:44 pm Seamus L Senior Member   Join Date: November 22, 2007 Posts: 8,091 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Fox News reporting 1 dead in tonight's protests in Charlotte http://www.fox46charlotte.com/news/l...06982402-story   #26   Sep 21, '16, 7:01 pm chero23 Forum Master   Join Date: November 12, 2012 Posts: 15,737 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by Fuerza We also have to help those who have done things that hurt others. Unlike you though, however important and noble your job may be, we are also tasked with addressing those violent behaviors while you sit back and criticize from the sidelines. Are there bad and incompetent people in our line of work? Absolutely there are. But to paint us all as racist murderers, and to feel justified in doing so, is quite a stretch. We recently arrested a firefighter who was setting fires to people's homes just so he could feel like a hero when he responded. He was far from the first fireman arrested for the same thing in my jurisdiction, and there have been many others throughout the country in only the last few years. Should I say that all firemen are serial arsonists? No, because it's not true, just like the assertions that all police are bloodthirsty savages who spend their days plotting the murder of innocent minorities is not true. Same could be said about you. You are pointing the finger from the sideline and what do you have to show? To my knowledge, your criticizing me for criticizing somebody else. A little about me, I'm the oldest of 3. When my brother was out in jail at 11, I was 13 and I helped carry this family. My dad left when I was 16 and I took responsibility of this family. My sister has Down syndrome, which I have been there for her countless of times for her doctors visits, etc. I also teach at my church. I have s bachelors degree about to get my 2nd one. I am going to school at a catholic university to get a theology degree. Not once have I been suspended, never have I done drugs. Never have I started a fire. And I have only been pulled over 3 times. No criminal record, nothing. So yeah, I have a lot of good records on my persona. Thank you very much. __________________ Check out my Catholic Apologetic Booklet. 121 themes/doctrines, 5,200 Bible Verses, 192 pages. English https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...bFU/edit?pli=1 Spanish https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...M2c/edit?pli=1 Let others know about my booklet.   #27   Sep 21, '16, 7:32 pm Seamus L Senior Member   Join Date: November 22, 2007 Posts: 8,091 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man The Boston Globe is reporting 7 more police officers injured tonight in Charlotte. Watching the livefeed on RT right now. Riot police with shields standing in formation with a small crowd in front of them.   #28   Sep 21, '16, 8:10 pm Seamus L Senior Member   Join Date: November 22, 2007 Posts: 8,091 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Now it's being reported that the person who was shot, is still alive but on life support http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/21...-shooting.html   #29   Sep 21, '16, 8:26 pm Crown of Stars Regular Member   Join Date: November 16, 2014 Posts: 1,628 Religion: Catholic, Indian, female Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man They act as though anyone should just be able to do whatever they feel like. They're really not being very respectful at all. __________________ When God saw it was not good for Man to be alone, He created Woman.   #30   Sep 22, '16, 4:59 am PassingSoul Junior Member   Join Date: December 14, 2015 Posts: 290 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by Theo520 I agree with your two examples but don't recall when/where I was taught such. We need a massive PSA (public service announcement) push in the media and schools: - how to properly respond to the police - your rights to refuse search, etc. Yes I agree a Nation Wide Education Commercial needed to explain what a Motorists should do when stopped by a police officer. This said when a Person reaches for his car registration and insurance in the glove compartment, the police officer heart begins to beat faster. If cars would make a sleeve on the dash board where the registration and insurance card could fit, it would lower suspicion that he's not reaching for a weapon. It still does not fix police profiling an erratic motorist behavior as a threat to pull his weapon. Sep 22, '16, 5:37 am Seamus L Senior Member   Join Date: November 22, 2007 Posts: 8,091 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man If you watch the large number of videos coming out of Charlotte, these are no longer protesters, but violent criminal thugs who need to be locked up fast.   #32   Sep 22, '16, 7:57 am Beautiful Senior Member   Join Date: June 13, 2007 Posts: 6,897 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by Seamus L Once again, the police response was pretty weak. Weak? Yes The National Guard should be on top of square one of these now frequent riots ... hammering the riots to a quick stop. A strong nationally broadcast message of condemnation from the president of the USA is in order...but isn't happening. The message from the head of the fish is stinking loud and clear.   #33   Sep 22, '16, 9:24 am truetofaith Regular Member   Join Date: January 19, 2013 Posts: 4,100 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by Beautiful Weak? Yes The National Guard should be on top of square one of these now frequent riots ... hammering the riots to a quick stop. A strong nationally broadcast message of condemnation from the president of the USA is in order...but isn't happening. The message from the head of the fish is stinking loud and clear. Former Mayor Giuliani was asked what he would have done in N.Y. with the riots. He said there wouldn't be any riots because the first protesters who threw a rock or bottle at the cops would have been arrested on the spot before the protest could get out of hand!   #34   Sep 22, '16, 9:51 am August Carlson   Join Date: December 9, 2014 Posts: 55 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man I am becoming more and more convinced that this riot is being influenced by outside agitators. A careful review of the crowd scene photos and video footage feature a fairly strong contingent of Caucasian "protesters." They seem to be able to travel with the pack unharmed, but how does that work when we also see footage of isolated whites being beaten and kicked, white reporters being knocked down and threatened, as well as of white people trapped in their vehicles being terrorized. Who are these white "brothers and sisters"? Why does the footage of the front line "protesters" seem to show a certain tactical calculation. Men and women in masks (why?), some of whom have graying hair. Notice the backpacks. Notice the preparation (I've seen footage of folks who have milk on hand to use for people who are blinded by the tear gas). Notice how a single line of one or two large men try to penetrate the police cordon thereby opening a hole when the police are forced to break their line to attend to the penetration. That kind of behavior is not the act of impulse, it's the act that betrays a certain amount of training in urban combat techniques. Massive arrests need to be made -- massive -- so that the police can sort out the folks who are acting on impulse and the folks who are being paid to be there. and, as far as rioting, burning and looting is concerned, I say, throw the book at them -- minimum one year in prison per incident -- minumum. Get these feral animals off the street!   #35   Sep 22, '16, 9:52 am mary bobo Veteran Member Forum Supporter   Join Date: May 19, 2005 Posts: 10,620 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by Seamus L If you watch the large number of videos coming out of Charlotte, these are no longer protesters, but violent criminal thugs who need to be locked up fast. __________________ Praying for all CAF intentions.   #36   Sep 22, '16, 10:03 am Lormar Regular Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: December 2, 2009 Posts: 4,870 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Can you imagine if whites did this? The cops, National Guard, whatever, wouldn't hesitate to kill each and every one. I'm sick of the double standard, and I'm sick to death of thugs.   #37   Sep 22, '16, 11:35 am Mark121359 Regular Member   Join Date: August 30, 2012 Posts: 2,352 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by Seamus L If you watch the large number of videos coming out of Charlotte, these are no longer protesters, but violent criminal thugs who need to be locked up fast. Quote: Originally Posted by Lormar Can you imagine if whites did this? The cops, National Guard, whatever, wouldn't hesitate to kill each and every one. I'm sick of the double standard, and I'm sick to death of thugs. Let's see here. Now, what was that phrase that Hilary called Trump supporters? Wait......it'll come to me.......oh yeah, "basket of deplorables" .......right!: : Peace, Mark __________________ “Ad Jesum per Mariam" Luke 1:38 And Mary said, "Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be done to me according to your word." And the angel departed from her.   #38   Sep 22, '16, 11:55 am Seamus L Senior Member   Join Date: November 22, 2007 Posts: 8,091 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Ugly scenes emerged from Wednesday night’s rioting in Charlotte, including Twitter video of a white man being beaten and dragged by a mob, and the brother of the black man whose death in a police shooting touched off protests telling media that all white people are “devils.”http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/22...ght-night.html   #39   Sep 22, '16, 7:46 pm Seamus L Senior Member   Join Date: November 22, 2007 Posts: 8,091 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Watching the live feed on RT right now, and the mob has shut down a highway despite the presence of the National Guard. Tear gas and rubber bullets being used I believe.   #40   Sep 22, '16, 8:00 pm Beautiful Senior Member   Join Date: June 13, 2007 Posts: 6,897 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by Seamus L Watching the live feed on RT right now, and the mob has shut down a highway despite the presence of the National Guard. Tear gas and rubber bullets being used I believe. I don't understand. Isn't there a curfew? Why are all these people including the media wandering around? Arrest them all.   #41   Sep 22, '16, 8:15 pm Seamus L Senior Member   Join Date: November 22, 2007 Posts: 8,091 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Curfew starts at midnight.   #42   Sep 23, '16, 4:21 am Paganus Regular Member   Join Date: October 12, 2006 Posts: 630 Religion: Rigid Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man My friends feel perfectly safe walking about Charlotte unarmed as normal. The violence in these videos are a performance for the news cameras. However, if there were actual riots in Charlotte, they could carry any weapon they choose and still walk safely through the streets. North Carolina is an open carry state and you can walk down the sidewalk with any firearm you like.   #43   Sep 23, '16, 4:25 am Maximilan Kolbe Banned   Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Given the size of the city, this is likely true. Baltimore was largely safe in most of its areas. The area with the rioters however, got destroyed, and the fact that much of the city was safe didn't save the businesses that were destroyed. Once those same businesses leave the city (most have in Bmore), there will be cries of racism or undue fear, but why would anyone invest their time and money into a dead end like Baltimore these days?   #44   Sep 23, '16, 7:38 am August Carlson   Join Date: December 9, 2014 Posts: 55 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man 70% of the "protesters" arrested are not from Charlotte according to police spokesman, Todd Walther.. Interview with Todd Walther and CNN's Erin Burnett here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnObRLbBDPg   #45   Sep 23, '16, 7:44 am August Carlson   Join Date: December 9, 2014 Posts: 55 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man I apologize for sending the previous link, I didn't vet it thoroughly before sending. I thought it was just a screen save from the CNN interview. I didn't realize that there was commentary at the back end of the clip by some conspiracy yahoo. That being said, I think the interview stands on its own; please disregard the editorial commentary that follows. AC      Sep 23, '16, 2:37 pm didymus Veteran Member Radio Club Member   Join Date: April 5, 2005 Posts: 10,387 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by Theo520 I agree with your two examples but don't recall when/where I was taught such. We need a massive PSA (public service announcement) push in the media and schools: - how to properly respond to the police - your rights to refuse search, etc. Good luck with that. Trying to assert your rights is considered "contempt of cop", most LEOs consider the Constitution something to wipes their butt with. Example: a cop comes up and asks what are you up to? This is a "voluntary stop" you have no obligation to answer, you have every right to walk away. But if you try the officer will then consider this suspicious behavior demand ID, &c. If you ask "Am I being detained?" he'll probably ask "what are you a [expletive] lawyer?" Example: a cop says you don't mind if I search your car, or backpack or whatever. If you refuse to consent to the search, good luck. If you're in a car you'll probably be held until they can get a drug dog out. Most of all police hate being questioned or monitored. Dashcams and body cams have been brought in over police protests and a lot of jurisdictions (including NC) have passed laws to exempt dashcam and bodycam from Freedom of Information requests. As law and order types like to say, if you didn't do anything wrong, what are you worried about? __________________ It's not hoarding if it's BOOKS.   #47   Sep 24, '16, 4:13 am Monte RCMS Forum Master   Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,658 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man True? They found the deceased's fingerprints on the gun? https://www.yahoo.com/news/family-se...000556982.html __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth.   #48   Sep 24, '16, 5:20 am LeafByNiggle Veteran Member   Join Date: December 5, 2010 Posts: 10,594 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by August Carlson I am becoming more and more convinced that this riot is being influenced by outside agitators. This was the same sentiment that was expressed in the 1950s and 1960s over the civil rights protesters. But there is nothing illegal or immoral about people from outside of Charlotte joining the protest. There is nothing illegal or immoral about planning strategies, as long as those strategies do not include illegal activities. But you seem to be saying that the mere fact of being from out of town, or being white, or being something other than spontaneous is a crime and should be reason enough to lock people up. It is not.   #49   Sep 24, '16, 7:04 am mary bobo Veteran Member Forum Supporter   Join Date: May 19, 2005 Posts: 10,620 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by LeafByNiggle This was the same sentiment that was expressed in the 1950s and 1960s over the civil rights protesters. But there is nothing illegal or immoral about people from outside of Charlotte joining the protest. There is nothing illegal or immoral about planning strategies, as long as those strategies do not include illegal activities. But you seem to be saying that the mere fact of being from out of town, or being white, or being something other than spontaneous is a crime and should be reason enough to lock people up. It is not. I believe August was talking about the riots. That is not protesting peacefully, that is looting and destroying private property (businesses). That is criminal. Many of those folks were not from Charlotte. __________________ Praying for all CAF intentions.   #50   Sep 24, '16, 8:30 am mary bobo Veteran Member Forum Supporter   Join Date: May 19, 2005 Posts: 10,620 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man I just spoke with a good friend whose son is a Charlotte cop. He told her that a group came in from wherever, starting the rioting and then left. Take it for what it's worth. Smells like George Soros group to me. So many were upset, as was I, that David Duke endorsed Trump, where are all the hews and cries about Soros doing everything he can to incite unrest in the country? __________________ Praying for all CAF intentions.   #51   Sep 24, '16, 10:46 am philipl Regular Member   Join Date: February 14, 2005 Posts: 1,165 Religion: catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by Seamus L The protests broke out Tuesday after 43-year-old Keith Lamont Scott was fatally shot by a black officer at an apartment complex on the city's northeast side. They continued into early Wednesday morning, when TV footage showed dozens of protesters on Interstate 85 apparently looting semi-trucks and setting their contents on fire on the highway.http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/21...black-man.html I have watched the video, over and over the police tell him to do something and he refuses. Without more its hard for me to know what the cops should have done. But one thing I do know is they have every right to return home to their family. Look up Kyle Dinkheller, if officer made to major mistakes, when the Brannan first put his handing into his pockets, the officer should have shot him dead after Brannan refused to remove his hands out of his pockets. The next mistake was when Brannan went back to his truck. the officer should have shot him right then and there no exception. Once the hands can not be viewed, the officer should assume there is a gun. Give one and only one order, if ignored, shot to kill. Had Dinkheller done just that he might be home today with his family.   #52   Sep 24, '16, 10:54 am Seamus L Senior Member   Join Date: November 22, 2007 Posts: 8,091 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man And Keith Lamont Scott had a history of violent behavior.   #53   Sep 24, '16, 10:58 am meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by Seamus L The protests broke out Tuesday after 43-year-old Keith Lamont Scott was fatally shot by a black officer at an apartment complex on the city's northeast side. They continued into early Wednesday morning, when TV footage showed dozens of protesters on Interstate 85 apparently looting semi-trucks and setting their contents on fire on the highway.http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/21...black-man.html On the basis of the video and his wife's testimony, the shooting of Keith Scott was INEXCUSABLE on the part of the police officers, as well as the possible cover-up. However, rioting, including the destruction of property and harming and potentially killing innocent people, is NEVER justified. Peaceful protest and fighting the system in a legal and civil manner are ALWAYS the better way.   #54   Sep 24, '16, 12:12 pm Dwyer Regular Member   Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man I've been stopped on the street twice by police in my life and searched and frisked once. I did as I was told, obeyed all the police commands given (including stay there and don't move; I didn't move 1 inch) and then was told I was free to go after about 30 minutes and 15 minutes respectively. It seems like there are a lot of people who want to play games with or act smart with police; we saw that en masse with all the folks who protested all night and then decided to break the curfew in North Carolina. I understand that dealing with people like that is part of the job of a police officer, but people should do themselves a favor and just obey the police commands and not act like a cowboy and make a big deal about it and they'll survive. If you feel like you have been treated unjustly afterwards, you can always file an officer complaint afterwards or hire an attorney. __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)   #55   Sep 24, '16, 2:08 pm Seamus L Senior Member   Join Date: November 22, 2007 Posts: 8,091 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Every reputable legal advice site or publication will tell you that when dealing with police, always be polite, and never behave in an aggressive manor, BUT when questioned about your comings and goings, it is always best to answer "I'm sorry officer, it's nothing personal, but I'am going to remain silent". And never ever give police permission to search anything. If they do search anyway, do not resist, but make sure all present know that this is a non-consensual search. But don't take my word for it, look online for yourself.   #56   Sep 24, '16, 2:23 pm LeafByNiggle Veteran Member   Join Date: December 5, 2010 Posts: 10,594 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by Seamus L Every reputable legal advice site or publication will tell you that when dealing with police, always be polite, and never behave in an aggressive manor, BUT when questioned about your comings and goings, it is always best to answer "I'm sorry officer, it's nothing personal, but I'am going to remain silent". And never ever give police permission to search anything. If they do search anyway, do not resist, but make sure all present know that this is a non-consensual search. But don't take my word for it, look online for yourself. This is good, common sense advice. But at the same time, not following this advice should never be taken as an excuse for police misbehavior. Attached Thumbnails     #57   Sep 24, '16, 4:41 pm philipl Regular Member   Join Date: February 14, 2005 Posts: 1,165 Religion: catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy On the basis of the video and his wife's testimony, the shooting of Keith Scott was INEXCUSABLE on the part of the police officers, as well as the possible cover-up. However, rioting, including the destruction of property and harming and potentially killing innocent people, is NEVER justified. Peaceful protest and fighting the system in a legal and civil manner are ALWAYS the better way. Wow, we need to have you involved in all courts cases. Just think of all the money the states could save just by getting your opinion. Youre like a legal enrico fermi. With very little information youre able to determine who was right and who was wrong.   #58   Sep 24, '16, 5:03 pm philipl Regular Member   Join Date: February 14, 2005 Posts: 1,165 Religion: catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by philipl Wow, we need to have you involved in all courts cases. Just think of all the money the states could save just by getting your opinion. Youre like a legal enrico fermi. With very little information youre able to determine who was right and who was wrong. Also the people involved in the shooting need to just go to prison. Why even have a trial?   #59   Sep 24, '16, 5:38 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by philipl Wow, we need to have you involved in all courts cases. Just think of all the money the states could save just by getting your opinion. Youre like a legal enrico fermi. With very little information youre able to determine who was right and who was wrong. Since when are one's opinions not permitted on CAF? The video is quite telling if you view it at face value and suspend your prior beliefs for a moment.   #60   Sep 24, '16, 5:39 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by philipl Also the people involved in the shooting need to just go to prison. Why even have a trial? Did I say or imply that?     Sep 24, '16, 6:18 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member   Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,814 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by mary bobo I just spoke with a good friend whose son is a Charlotte cop. He told her that a group came in from wherever, starting the rioting and then left. Take it for what it's worth. Smells like George Soros group to me. So many were upset, as was I, that David Duke endorsed Trump, where are all the hews and cries about Soros doing everything he can to incite unrest in the country? Our pastor even mentioned GeorgevSoros by name during his homily last Sunday's! I am with you,why aren't more people aware of this evil man and his evil agenda to bring our Country down ,spiritually,economically,just every way possible?   #62   Sep 24, '16, 6:23 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by mary bobo I just spoke with a good friend whose son is a Charlotte cop. He told her that a group came in from wherever, starting the rioting and then left. Take it for what it's worth. Smells like George Soros group to me. So many were upset, as was I, that David Duke endorsed Trump, where are all the hews and cries about Soros doing everything he can to incite unrest in the country? Wouldn't George Soros' inciting unrest play more into Trump's hands than Clinton's?   #63   Sep 25, '16, 4:41 am Larryk113 Junior Member Forum Supporter   Join Date: August 14, 2012 Posts: 150 Religion: Catholic!! Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Soro is a globalist. Look at his website. Trump is Soro's worst nightmare. __________________ God knows I am here. This is His will for me. Saint Jose Isabel Flores Varela   #64   Sep 25, '16, 4:46 am philipl Regular Member   Join Date: February 14, 2005 Posts: 1,165 Religion: catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Did I say or imply that? "On the basis of the video and his wife's testimony, the shooting of Keith Scott was INEXCUSABLE on the part of the police officers" All you needed was some really bad video and his wife saying he doesnt have a gun. Doesnt matter that officers were screaming "drop the gun" they just wanted to kill some one.   #65   Sep 25, '16, 4:48 am philipl Regular Member   Join Date: February 14, 2005 Posts: 1,165 Religion: catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Since when are one's opinions not permitted on CAF? The video is quite telling if you view it at face value and suspend your prior beliefs for a moment. Just because you have an opinion doesnt make it a correct opinion. Lets keep demonizing the police.   #66   Sep 25, '16, 5:24 am redbaron162 Junior Member   Join Date: February 25, 2014 Posts: 389 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by didymus Good luck with that. Trying to assert your rights is considered "contempt of cop", most LEOs consider the Constitution something to wipes their butt with. Example: a cop comes up and asks what are you up to? This is a "voluntary stop" you have no obligation to answer, you have every right to walk away. But if you try the officer will then consider this suspicious behavior demand ID, &c. If you ask "Am I being detained?" he'll probably ask "what are you a [expletive] lawyer?" Example: a cop says you don't mind if I search your car, or backpack or whatever. If you refuse to consent to the search, good luck. If you're in a car you'll probably be held until they can get a drug dog out. Most of all police hate being questioned or monitored. Dashcams and body cams have been brought in over police protests and a lot of jurisdictions (including NC) have passed laws to exempt dashcam and bodycam from Freedom of Information requests. As law and order types like to say, if you didn't do anything wrong, what are you worried about? Most officers I know have been begging for more cameras. They love them since the vast majority of time officers do a fantastic job. The cameras are great in showing the court what the suspect is really like when he was assaulting the officer, instead of his bull story he tells in court with his fake tears. Most people have very little idea what their constitutional rights are. They often think they know what their rights are, but that doesn't mean its true. We spend so much time teachings math and science in schools and only a very short time spent on the Constitution and law. Of course the other side people also seem to forget is that with every right is a moral responsibility to exercise that right correctly. As far your remarks about police in general I would greatly disagree. The overriding majority of officers not only greatly respect the constitution but regularly are called to give their lives and blood in its defense. In addition if an officer did violate someone's rights to obtain evidence against them it is thrown out of court, and any officer who was found to do this more than a few times would quickly find themselves out of a job. This being the case that the person is still known to have committed the crime, however they are now let off the hook and not held responsible for their actions.   #67   Sep 25, '16, 5:32 am Michael68 Banned   Join Date: August 17, 2015 Posts: 5,225 Religion: Cradle Roman Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by philipl "On the basis of the video and his wife's testimony, the shooting of Keith Scott was INEXCUSABLE on the part of the police officers" All you needed was some really bad video and his wife saying he doesnt have a gun. Doesnt matter that officers were screaming "drop the gun" they just wanted to kill some one. That's a shocking statement! Do you have any proof of these officer's intent to kill someone or is this just your opinion?   #68   Sep 25, '16, 5:37 am redbaron162 Junior Member   Join Date: February 25, 2014 Posts: 389 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy On the basis of the video and his wife's testimony, the shooting of Keith Scott was INEXCUSABLE on the part of the police officers, as well as the possible cover-up. However, rioting, including the destruction of property and harming and potentially killing innocent people, is NEVER justified. Peaceful protest and fighting the system in a legal and civil manner are ALWAYS the better way. On the basis of a biased testimony (which has now been proven to be false since we know he did in fact have a gun) and a video that you cant really see anything? What exactly led you to that conclusion? Thank you   #69   Sep 25, '16, 5:44 pm pnewton Forum Elder   Join Date: June 1, 2004 Posts: 34,062 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by August Carlson 70% of the "protesters" arrested are not from Charlotte according to police spokesman, Todd Walther.. Interview with Todd Walther and CNN's Erin Burnett here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnObRLbBDPg Not surprising. BLM is more about insurgency than justice. I give no credence to such proterstors. Even the people they are trying to "protect" are ignoring them. "Raise your hands, don't shoot?" So, where was the raised hands on this video? __________________ "Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in." - Jesus Nooo!! I didn't mean it!   #70   Sep 25, '16, 5:47 pm pnewton Forum Elder   Join Date: June 1, 2004 Posts: 34,062 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by chero23 You do have to understand that police as a whole, do see themselves above all authority. I have to call garbage on this. You will find no evidence of this. Can you show where police have ever claimed this, much less "as a whole?" No. This is just another case of assuming the worst of others. The prejudice against police by those who decry what they see as the prejudice of police is hypocrisy. __________________ "Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in." - Jesus Nooo!! I didn't mean it!   #71   Sep 25, '16, 5:51 pm Seamus L Senior Member   Join Date: November 22, 2007 Posts: 8,091 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man I'm very critical of the police, but that's a blanket statement similar to saying, Blacks as a whole see themselves as...Hispanics as a whole see themselves as...   #72   Sep 25, '16, 5:51 pm pnewton Forum Elder   Join Date: June 1, 2004 Posts: 34,062 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy On the basis of the video and his wife's testimony, the shooting of Keith Scott was INEXCUSABLE on the part of the police officers, as well as the possible cover-up. Fortunately for the police, a grand jury does not make decisions based on a single angle video and a loved one claiming their loved one making emotional accusations. Evidence is used. "Cover up?" How in the world can such a thing be known at this point? __________________ "Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in." - Jesus Nooo!! I didn't mean it!   #73   Sep 25, '16, 5:56 pm Michael68 Banned   Join Date: August 17, 2015 Posts: 5,225 Religion: Cradle Roman Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man I saw the dashcam video. My question is: Why did they have to shoot him?   #74   Sep 25, '16, 6:10 pm truetofaith Regular Member   Join Date: January 19, 2013 Posts: 4,100 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by Michael68 I saw the dashcam video. My question is: Why did they have to shoot him? The video is not clear........after told eleven times to drop a gun & not doing so, he must have made a move with the gun that caused the shooting.   #75   Sep 25, '16, 6:13 pm Michael68 Banned   Join Date: August 17, 2015 Posts: 5,225 Religion: Cradle Roman Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by truetofaith The video is not clear........after told eleven times to drop a gun & not doing so, he must have made a move with the gun that caused the shooting. I didn't see a gun. Did you? Sep 25, '16, 6:19 pm pnewton Forum Elder   Join Date: June 1, 2004 Posts: 34,062 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by Michael68 I didn't see a gun. Did you? I did not see a gun. I did not see empty hands. The video does not answer the question of whether there was a gun. The problem police face is that when they are confronted a possible deadly force situation, they have to react if the subject presents a threat, not if there is video evidence of the subject presenting a threat. If they are wrong, they can die, or end up being charged with manslaughter. Compared to this, what do the protesters risk? __________________ "Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in." - Jesus Nooo!! I didn't mean it!   #77   Sep 25, '16, 6:44 pm Michael68 Banned   Join Date: August 17, 2015 Posts: 5,225 Religion: Cradle Roman Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by pnewton I did not see a gun. I did not see empty hands. The video does not answer the question of whether there was a gun. The problem police face is that when they are confronted a possible deadly force situation, they have to react if the subject presents a threat, not if there is video evidence of the subject presenting a threat. If they are wrong, they can die, or end up being charged with manslaughter. Compared to this, what do the protesters risk? I guess another question would be why they ignored his wife. I am not in law enforcement and I have great respect for those who are. I just don't understand why they ignored her   #78   Sep 25, '16, 7:52 pm pnewton Forum Elder   Join Date: June 1, 2004 Posts: 34,062 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by Michael68 I guess another question would be why they ignored his wife. I am not in law enforcement and I have great respect for those who are. I just don't understand why they ignored her There are two possibilities. One is the concentration on the details of the immediate danger (tunnel vision). However, it is also possible she was ignored because what she said was not important. People do lie, either deliberately or because love is blind to faults. __________________ "Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in." - Jesus Nooo!! I didn't mean it!   #79   Sep 26, '16, 3:16 am redbaron162 Junior Member   Join Date: February 25, 2014 Posts: 389 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by Michael68 I didn't see a gun. Did you? There are pictures of the gun with his fingerprints and DNA on it. There is also a picture of it on the ground immediately after the shooting right next to him. Given the number of officers present and the presence of other witnesses I believe any claim of planting the gun to be absurd unless given clear reason to believe so.   #80   Sep 26, '16, 7:20 am truetofaith Regular Member   Join Date: January 19, 2013 Posts: 4,100 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by Michael68 I guess another question would be why they ignored his wife. I am not in law enforcement and I have great respect for those who are. I just don't understand why they ignored her Probably because she was screaming like a maniac & they were watching her husband who they were telling to "drop the gun." I see gun in the picture above.   #81   Sep 26, '16, 7:26 am JharekCarnelian Forum Elder   Join Date: April 14, 2008 Posts: 30,495 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by Seamus L I'm very critical of the police, but that's a blanket statement similar to saying, Blacks as a whole see themselves as...Hispanics as a whole see themselves as... Yes, it is inherently ludicrous, some police are corrupt, some black people are corrupt, some select number of any group are. However even though I am predisposed not to love police because of my own cultural background commonsense and experience tells me that is my own prejudice and that police vary in their outlooks, levels of morality and in other ways just like members of other groups. I dislike the poses been taken on either sides of the aisle at times over the issues here, the Idea of the police been the 'man' and so forth are ideas that might have resonated with me more years ago but the world really is not that simple. Policemen do a difficult and awkward job and faults in police departments and similar institutions do exist in many places, but simply demonizing police is not the way to correct those faults.   #82   Sep 26, '16, 12:51 pm pnewton Forum Elder   Join Date: June 1, 2004 Posts: 34,062 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by redbaron162 Given the number of officers present and the presence of other witnesses I believe any claim of planting the gun to be absurd unless given clear reason to believe so. I disregard any argument from one who thinks police are out to kill black people. The idea is so ludicrous that only the most paranoid or prejudiced can even conceive it. Officers have had their lives turned upside down over justified shootings. They have gone to jail and prison over bad shootings. Getting involved in one of these incidents is one of the great risks for which police are under-paid. __________________ "Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in." - Jesus Nooo!! I didn't mean it!   #83   Sep 26, '16, 2:32 pm philipl Regular Member   Join Date: February 14, 2005 Posts: 1,165 Religion: catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by Seamus L The protests broke out Tuesday after 43-year-old Keith Lamont Scott was fatally shot by a black officer at an apartment complex on the city's northeast side. They continued into early Wednesday morning, when TV footage showed dozens of protesters on Interstate 85 apparently looting semi-trucks and setting their contents on fire on the highway.http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/21...black-man.html The proof is out, he had a gun. Cops were in the right. They get to go back to their families. He gets to be judged by God.   #84   Sep 27, '16, 8:13 am Monte RCMS Forum Master   Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,658 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Restraining order. Stolen gun. http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/new-r...ase_/326706427 __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth.   #85   Sep 27, '16, 7:58 pm Inisfallen Regular Member   Join Date: November 9, 2013 Posts: 1,477 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by August Carlson 70% of the "protesters" arrested are not from Charlotte according to police spokesman, Todd Walther.. Interview with Todd Walther and CNN's Erin Burnett here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnObRLbBDPg Nope. Not so. See here: http://www.snopes.com/charlotte-prot...ate-criminals/   #86   Sep 27, '16, 8:03 pm philipl Regular Member   Join Date: February 14, 2005 Posts: 1,165 Religion: catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by Seamus L The protests broke out Tuesday after 43-year-old Keith Lamont Scott was fatally shot by a black officer at an apartment complex on the city's northeast side. They continued into early Wednesday morning, when TV footage showed dozens of protesters on Interstate 85 apparently looting semi-trucks and setting their contents on fire on the highway.http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/21...black-man.html I just want to know, how inexcusable it was for cops to shoot Scott now we know he had a gun? I wonder just how many hoops liberal will jump thru to still call the cops murders?   #87   Sep 28, '16, 12:08 pm philipl Regular Member   Join Date: February 14, 2005 Posts: 1,165 Religion: catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by philipl I just want to know, how inexcusable it was for cops to shoot Scott now we know he had a gun? I wonder just how many hoops liberal will jump thru to still call the cops murders? I am guessing it wasnt so inexcusable after all!   #88   Sep 28, '16, 12:17 pm pnewton Forum Elder   Join Date: June 1, 2004 Posts: 34,062 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man When the cops are wrong, they face criminal charges. The protesters, who all let their impatience and rash judgment prevail, caused a lot of harm. At minimum, they should have to carry a "stupid" sign for the same length of time they protested. On the other hand, those that just keep saying "raise your hands, don't shoot" should carry on. Maybe someday some criminal will listen and save his own life. __________________ "Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in." - Jesus Nooo!! I didn't mean it!   #89   Sep 28, '16, 12:33 pm philipl Regular Member   Join Date: February 14, 2005 Posts: 1,165 Religion: catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by PassingSoul I agree that there is an element of loose canons that believe in the motto " Shoot first and ask questions later ". I also believe Police Union Leaders have more power over police officers than the Chief of Police and local government officials that results in suppressing effective training ( Remember the NY police officers turning their backs to the NY Mayor ). I also believe police methods in making stops and confronting belligerent motorist needs to be overhauled. Too many incidents of the same nature are ending in tragic deaths. so the guy they shot HAD A GUN, It wasnt a book. The cops were right. His death wasnt tragic. Had a cop died, that would have been tragic. All the guy had to do was drop the gun and he would still be alive.   #90   Sep 29, '16, 7:26 am philipl Regular Member   Join Date: February 14, 2005 Posts: 1,165 Religion: catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by pnewton When the cops are wrong, they face criminal charges. The protesters, who all let their impatience and rash judgment prevail, caused a lot of harm. At minimum, they should have to carry a "stupid" sign for the same length of time they protested. On the other hand, those that just keep saying "raise your hands, don't shoot" should carry on. Maybe someday some criminal will listen and save his own life. But there was a person on this thread that declared the shooting as inexcusable. Now we know the perpetrator had a gun. He isn't a victim, he wasn't murdered as claimed Max Waters. He was a criminal. Oct 6, '16, 11:07 am Monte RCMS Forum Master   Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,658 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S Our pastor even mentioned GeorgevSoros by name during his homily last Sunday's! I am with you,why aren't more people aware of this evil man and his evil agenda to bring our Country down ,spiritually,economically,just every way possible? Yesterday in the mail, I received a copy of "George Soros and World Disorder" published in the October 2016 issue of "Mindszenty Report" which is named for Joseph Cardinal Mindszenty of Hungary who was imprisoned by the Communists. www.mindszenty.org http://www.mindszenty.org/2016.aspx Their September issue described "Black LIves Matter: Revolutionaries, Not Reformers". Their August issue was "Public Debt and Moral Bankruptcy". __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth.   #92   Dec 30, '16, 9:16 am katy Senior Member Book Club Member   Join Date: April 5, 2005 Posts: 8,923 Religion: Catholic Re: RIOTS HIT CHARLOTTE: At least 12 cops injured in protests after officer-involved shooting death of black man according to some relative, Charlotte is having some significant economic problems due to the "bathroom" legislation. How true is that? Anybody know? __________________ Tiber swim team class of '78