Democratic Party Convention General Thread

Jul 23, '16, 7:24 am

_Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,523 Religion: Catholic

Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails Quote: Bernie Sanders supporters Friday tore into the Democratic National Committee (DNC) on social media after a leaked email appeared to show a DNC official plotting to question Sanders's religion. The email, written by Chief Financial Officer Brad Marshall and leaked by the DNC hacker Guccifer 2.0 to WikiLeaks, suggests sending a surrogate to ask an unnamed candidate whether that candidate believed in God. The email does not name the Vermont senator, but it talks about a man of “Jewish heritage” Marshall believes to be an atheist. It makes reference to voters in Kentucky and West Virginia, two states that were weeks away from a Democratic primary at the time. http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign...ers-on-atheism __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org

#2   Jul 23, '16, 7:37 am

GaryTaylor Forum Elder Join Date: March 30, 2010 Posts: 26,098 Religion: Catholic

Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails I was just watching them on the news. These Bernie supporters are livid. Basically they said fix this or else. I don't what know exactly what means but it sounded like an ultimatum. Quote: Monday, July 18, 2016 Twenty-one percent (21%) of Likely U.S. Voters think the country is heading in the right direction, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey for the week ending July 14. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...or_wrong_track Guess who the 21% is!

#3   Jul 23, '16, 9:45 am

Joseph3 Banned Join Date: March 17, 2016 Posts: 2,137 Religion: Catholic

Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails I think that McCarthyist tactics would have been necessary to stop Bernie Sanders. I am glad that some in the DNC would work to stop socialism from spreading to this country. This is a flashback to the Kennedy and Truman days for the party.

#4   Jul 23, '16, 9:49 am

Cider Regular Member Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2007 Posts: 4,817

Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails I posted about it on the Hillary thread I think. I've been reading the hacked emails on Wikileaks. Completely disgusting. I can't believe they wanted to plant someone to put Sanders on the spot and ask him if he's Jewish or an Atheist, "because it would matter to some of my peeps" according to the email.

#5   Jul 23, '16, 9:51 am

Cider Regular Member Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2007 Posts: 4,817

Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails Quote: Originally Posted by GaryTaylor I was just watching them on the news. These Bernie supporters are livid. Basically they said fix this or else. I don't what know exactly what means but it sounded like an ultimatum. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...or_wrong_track Guess who the 21% is! All those Hillary supporters that thought they would get Sander's supporters to vote for her were dreaming.

#6   Jul 23, '16, 9:53 am

Hatikvah Regular Member Join Date: November 20, 2015 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Protestant

Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails It's not like Sanders is going to win. Or, at least I don't think.

#7   Jul 23, '16, 10:02 am

Thom18 Regular Member Join Date: January 8, 2016 Posts: 798 Religion: Catholic

Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails I was pretty sure he was an ethnically Jewish atheist...

#8   Jul 23, '16, 10:12 am

Padres1969 Regular Member Join Date: October 28, 2015 Posts: 5,291 Religion: Episcopalian

Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails Quote: Originally Posted by Thom18 I was pretty sure he was an ethnically Jewish atheist... Yeah I don't know where the outrage is coming from. Sanders has been pretty open that he's not religious.

#9   Jul 23, '16, 10:20 am

AFerri48 Regular Member Join Date: October 21, 2015 Posts: 894 Religion: Catholic

Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kmv4VOGXJw Jimmy Kimmel: "Do you believe in God and do you think that's important to the people of the United States?" Bernie Sanders: "Well you know, I am, who I am, and what I believe in and what my spirituality is about is that we're all in this together." He really could have just said "no"...

#10   Jul 23, '16, 10:26 am

Hatikvah Regular Member Join Date: November 20, 2015 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Protestant

Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails Quote: Originally Posted by AFerri48 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kmv4VOGXJw Jimmy Kimmel: "Do you believe in God and do you think that's important to the people of the United States?" Bernie Sanders: "Well you know, I am, who I am, and what I believe in and what my spirituality is about is that we're all in this together." He really could have just said "no"... He'd lose voters if it wasn't "intricate" enough.

#11   Jul 23, '16, 10:44 am

John Lazarus Regular Member Join Date: January 24, 2010 Posts: 4,563

Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails Quote: Originally Posted by AFerri48 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kmv4VOGXJw Jimmy Kimmel: "Do you believe in God and do you think that's important to the people of the United States?" Bernie Sanders: "Well you know, I am, who I am, and what I believe in and what my spirituality is about is that we're all in this together." He really could have just said "no"... There you go, he thinks he's God... __________________ "I wouldn't touch that with a ten-foot pole." — Vlad II, Voivode of Wallachia

#12   Jul 23, '16, 11:54 am

carefullytread Junior Member Join Date: February 25, 2016 Posts: 332

Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails Quote: Originally Posted by Padres1969 Yeah I don't know where the outrage is coming from. Sanders has been pretty open that he's not religious. I would guess the outrage is that the DNC was going to use it as an issue to attack him, when the DNC presumably wants to convey the message that it's welcoming to non-believers.

#13   Jul 23, '16, 12:08 pm

mary bobo Veteran Member Forum Supporter Join Date: May 19, 2005 Posts: 10,618 Religion: Catholic

Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails Quote: Originally Posted by carefullytread I would guess the outrage is that the DNC was going to use it as an issue to attack him, when the DNC presumably wants to convey the message that it's welcoming to non-believers. I thought the DNC was supposed to be non-partisan with the candidates. In this case they supported Hillary from the git-go and did everything they could to demean Bernie. __________________ Praying for all CAF intentions.

#14   Jul 23, '16, 12:38 pm

mjhudson New Member Join Date: June 13, 2016 Posts: 43 Religion: Protestant halfway to Rome

Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails Quote: Originally Posted by carefullytread I would guess the outrage is that the DNC was going to use it as an issue to attack him, when the DNC presumably wants to convey the message that it's welcoming to non-believers. More or less. The more fundamental issue is that the DNC seems to be working against him, using their influence to lessen his chance of success. It would be terribly undemocratic, and would prove Sanders points about corruption in the system.

#15   Jul 23, '16, 12:45 pm

Cider Regular Member Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2007 Posts: 4,817

Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails Quote: Originally Posted by carefullytread I would guess the outrage is that the DNC was going to use it as an issue to attack him, when the DNC presumably wants to convey the message that it's welcoming to non-believers. Quote: Originally Posted by mary bobo I thought the DNC was supposed to be non-partisan with the candidates. In this case they supported Hillary from the git-go and did everything they could to demean Bernie. IMO it's both. But I don't speak for Democrats. I'm appalled at the actions of the DNC though and the emails sure seem to substantiate the accusations that the Dem primary was rigged from the beginning. Neither the DNC nor the RNC should be prepicking the winner and they shouldn't be scheming behind the scenes to take down one of their own. I wasn't happy when the RNC attempted to use Romney but at least it was an up front attack and not a plant in the crowd to try and have a gotcha moment. Of course Trump trips himself all on his own, he doesn't need help. Jul 23, '16, 4:04 pm Arizona Mike Regular Member Join Date: May 28, 2011 Posts: 2,921 Religion: Catholic Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails The Democrats may have just lost the atheists. __________________ "The path that leads us toward what is most consonant with us, pushes us into Mystery, makes us enter Mystery." - Pope Francis   #17   Jul 23, '16, 5:26 pm Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails Quote: Originally Posted by Cider All those Hillary supporters that thought they would get Sander's supporters to vote for her were dreaming. Ohhhhhh where should I begin. There seems to be such concern on CAF about us Bernie Sanders voters. So I guess here. Sigh. First of all, yes I am only 1 but I supported Bernie Sanders. For such reasons as healthcare and the income disparity in America between rich and poor and working class. I do not believe, as Donald Trump has stated, that incomes are too high in America. There is no outcry from me over this story whatsoever. Individuals at the DNC, or RNC for that matter, have opinions just as each of us do, on politics, candidates and other topics. I have moved on. Bernie Sanders is not on the ballot. He himself has explained his own endorsement for the fall election between the 2 candidates, 1 of which will be the 45th POTUS. It's not going to be Bernie. Nor Jill Stein. Nor Gary Johnson. Nor anyone other than Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump. Each of their parties also have a party platform in place. And as Ted Cruz said, we each should vote our conscience. Which is what I will do when the time comes. Although I do already know what I'm doing. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #18   Jul 23, '16, 5:29 pm Cider Regular Member Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2007 Posts: 4,817 Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails Excuse me, I like Sanders and I voted for him in the primary. So I'm not sure why your reply to me sounds to surly.   #19   Jul 23, '16, 5:43 pm Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails Quote: Originally Posted by Cider Excuse me, I like Sanders and I voted for him in the primary. So I'm not sure why your reply to me sounds to surly. Because to me it sounded like you were saying, "All those Hillary supporters that thought they would get Sander's supporters to vote for her were dreaming". No they weren't. I can't speak for a Clinton primary supporter. There are some here who can speak for themselves. But I don't think any Clinton supporter thought they would get every Bernie supporter. Donald Trump is not going to get every Republican primary voter either. Everyone knows that. Hillary supporters have and will get Bernie supporters. It's not a dream. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #20   Jul 23, '16, 5:54 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe Because to me it sounded like you were saying, "All those Hillary supporters that thought they would get Sander's supporters to vote for her were dreaming". No they weren't. I can't speak for a Clinton primary supporter. There are some here who can speak for themselves. But I don't think any Clinton supporter thought they would get every Bernie supporter. Donald Trump is not going to get every Republican primary voter either. Everyone knows that. Hillary supporters have and will get Bernie supporters. It's not a dream. As I wrote in another thread, the Bernie people are coming around. The roll out of Tim Kaine seemed to assuage some fears. He seems to be an honorable man who appeals to most people. There is no way any Bernie supporter will vote for Pence as a second. He goes against anything they stand for.   #21   Jul 23, '16, 6:32 pm _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,523 Religion: Catholic Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails Sanders Camp Says Someone Must Be 'Accountable' for What DNC Emails Show http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/berni...ry?id=40825318 __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org   #22   Jul 23, '16, 6:52 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia Sanders Camp Says Someone Must Be 'Accountable' for What DNC Emails Show http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/berni...ry?id=40825318 And they do have to be held accountable. But did anyone follow through on the suggestions to derail Bernie? I check a lot of liberal sites but I did not see a follow through on this stuff. I could be wrong, though.   #23   Jul 23, '16, 8:03 pm _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,523 Religion: Catholic Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings And they do have to be held accountable. But did anyone follow through on the suggestions to derail Bernie? I check a lot of liberal sites but I did not see a follow through on this stuff. I could be wrong, though. I am not sure, but the following says, "The emails, researchers and amateur Wikileaks sifters say, corroborate a view that Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump were largely correct in their assertion that the political establishment was swaying things in favor of Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton... from very early on, even before voters had their say." __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org   #24   Jul 23, '16, 8:10 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia I am not sure, but the following says, "The emails, researchers and amateur Wikileaks sifters say, corroborate a view that Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump were largely correct in their assertion that the political establishment was swaying things in favor of Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton... from very early on, even before voters had their say." Well considering that the DNC is the Democratic National Committee and Bernie is not actually a Democrat, wouldn't you expect a little push back?   #25   Jul 24, '16, 12:10 am _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,523 Religion: Catholic Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails Wow, the Chairwoman of the Democratic Party has been stopped from giving a speech at the DNC now in the wake of this email leak scandal: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/dn...rticle/2597491 __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org   #26   Jul 24, '16, 5:38 am Cheiron Banned Join Date: June 9, 2016 Posts: 348 Religion: Secular Humanism Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails Quote: Originally Posted by Arizona Mike The Democrats may have just lost the atheists. Welcome to "progressive" America - Jews and atheists need not apply.   #27   Jul 24, '16, 8:09 am gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Democratic Party Convention General Thread I guess we can start with this All DNC chair appearances have been scrapped from convention following the Wikileaks fallout http://cnn.it/2aimBqd Sanders says would prefer Elizabeth Warren over Kaine as vice presidential pick http://reut.rs/2a3tqwq __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #28   Jul 24, '16, 8:23 am Arizona Mike Regular Member Join Date: May 28, 2011 Posts: 2,921 Religion: Catholic Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails Sanders confirmed he is not an atheist to CNN's Jake Tapper, BTW: "I am not an atheist," he said. "But aside from all of that, it is an outrage and sad that you would have people in important positions in the DNC trying to undermine my campaign. It goes without saying, the function of the DNC is to represent all of the candidates -- to be fair and even-minded." __________________ "The path that leads us toward what is most consonant with us, pushes us into Mystery, makes us enter Mystery." - Pope Francis   #29   Jul 24, '16, 8:25 am Arizona Mike Regular Member Join Date: May 28, 2011 Posts: 2,921 Religion: Catholic Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia Wow, the Chairwoman of the Democratic Party has been stopped from giving a speech at the DNC now in the wake of this email leak scandal: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/dn...rticle/2597491 They already had to eject a protestor who was yelling about the Wikileaks from the rally for Kaine's nomination. Debbie speaking at the convention, or even just gaveling in its beginning, would have been sure to elicit boos and catcalls from Sanders supporters - which is not the way Party officials want to start things off. __________________ "The path that leads us toward what is most consonant with us, pushes us into Mystery, makes us enter Mystery." - Pope Francis   #30   Jul 24, '16, 9:28 am starshiptrooper Join Date: November 16, 2010 Posts: 1,744 Religion: Troubled Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread So you mean to tell me that people with authority decided to take away what Sanders had worked so hard for and give it to someone else? Jul 24, '16, 9:39 am meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails Quote: Originally Posted by Cider IMO it's both. But I don't speak for Democrats. I'm appalled at the actions of the DNC though and the emails sure seem to substantiate the accusations that the Dem primary was rigged from the beginning. Neither the DNC nor the RNC should be prepicking the winner and they shouldn't be scheming behind the scenes to take down one of their own. I wasn't happy when the RNC attempted to use Romney but at least it was an up front attack and not a plant in the crowd to try and have a gotcha moment. Of course Trump trips himself all on his own, he doesn't need help. Is there any doubt the system is rigged in both parties?   #32   Jul 24, '16, 9:45 am DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Is there any doubt the system is rigged in both parties? If that were the case, Jeb Bush would have been on stage last week accepting the GOP nomination. __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #33   Jul 24, '16, 10:06 am Saints Alive Regular Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: September 10, 2012 Posts: 1,240 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY If that were the case, Jeb Bush would have been on stage last week accepting the GOP nomination. I would have been delighted __________________ Go Cubs !   #34   Jul 24, '16, 10:22 am Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia Wow, the Chairwoman of the Democratic Party has been stopped from giving a speech at the DNC now in the wake of this email leak scandal: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/dn...rticle/2597491 If Ted Cruz hadn't given a speech, Americans wouldn't have seen Republicans in such disarray. Democrats are far more united than Republicans. Just look at the endorsements. Or in the case of the Republicans, lack there of as the case may be. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #35   Jul 24, '16, 10:22 am Marie5890 Senior Member Join Date: November 3, 2007 Posts: 7,890 Religion: catholic--embracing all universality, diversity,traditions Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Debbie Wasserman Schultz needs to go. Badly __________________ "Love without truth would be blind; truth without love would be like 'a clanging cymbal' (I Cor 13: 1)." -- Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, Homily   #36   Jul 24, '16, 10:27 am Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Marie5890 Debbie Wasserman Schultz needs to go. Badly Isn't that up to Obama unless she resigns on her own? I might be wrong. But I thought when he first came into office, he named Tim Kaine to the chair. Then when Tim's term was up, he named DWS. Unless maybe he will just allow HRC to replace her when she takes office. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #37   Jul 24, '16, 10:31 am Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails Quote: Originally Posted by mary bobo I thought the DNC was supposed to be non-partisan with the candidates. In this case they supported Hillary from the git-go and did everything they could to demean Bernie. Do you understand how many individuals are in the DNC? Families are made up of individuals and have reunions even though every member does not agree with each other. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #38   Jul 24, '16, 10:32 am Songcatcher Junior Member Join Date: August 13, 2015 Posts: 447 Religion: Lutheran/RCIA Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread New York Times is reporting that Bloomberg will endorse Clinton/Kaine during a prime time address at the convention. Link   #39   Jul 24, '16, 10:37 am Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings As I wrote in another thread, the Bernie people are coming around. The roll out of Tim Kaine seemed to assuage some fears. He seems to be an honorable man who appeals to most people. There is no way any Bernie supporter will vote for Pence as a second. He goes against anything they stand for. Yes Good Tidings, and even BERNIE himself has come around. He has told his followers he does not want Donald Trump to be President. Period. End of story. And he will do everything he can to prevent that from happening. I don't know why it is so hard for the Republicans here or for his so called followers to hear him. Lets move on already. And I say this as someone who supported Bernie Sanders. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #40   Jul 24, '16, 10:37 am estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Songcatcher New York Times is reporting that Bloomberg will endorse Clinton/Kaine during a prime time address at the convention. Link No surprise there-the democrat party is the party of Wall Street.   #41   Jul 24, '16, 10:40 am estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe If Ted Cruz hadn't given a speech, Americans wouldn't have seen Republicans in such disarray. Democrats are far more united than Republicans. Just look at the endorsements. Or in the case of the Republicans, lack there of as the case may be. Yes republicans tolerate dissent-Democrats dont. Which is SOP for a Party that believes people are too stupid to know what is best for them. They coronated Hillary 8 years ago and via their House of Lords(super delegates) and a biased DNC Sanders never had a chance.   #42   Jul 24, '16, 10:44 am Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Songcatcher New York Times is reporting that Bloomberg will endorse Clinton/Kaine during a prime time address at the convention. Link Yep I just heard that before coming onto CAF, SC. They said has to be a blow to the Trump camp right on the heels of their convention. Is it true Bloomberg hasn't been a Democrat in 15 yrs! __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #43   Jul 24, '16, 10:45 am Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob Yes republicans tolerate dissent-Democrats dont. Which is SOP for a Party that believes people are too stupid to know what is best for them. They coronated Hillary 8 years ago and via their House of Lords(super delegates) and a biased DNC Sanders never had a chance. Didn't seem to tolerate Ted Cruz all that well. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #44   Jul 24, '16, 10:47 am stinkcat_14 Veteran Member Join Date: June 26, 2005 Posts: 10,555 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe Yep I just heard that before coming onto CAF, SC. They said has to be a blow to the Trump camp right on the heels of their convention. Is it true Bloomberg hasn't been a Democrat in 15 yrs! I am not sure how much impact this will have. Michael Bloomberg is not that influential outside of NYC and it is not like New York was ever really in play.   #45   Jul 24, '16, 10:47 am gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Police officers, protesters and a heat wave meet on the streets of Philadelphia ahead of the convention __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology Jul 24, '16, 10:49 am gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Songcatcher New York Times is reporting that Bloomberg will endorse Clinton/Kaine during a prime time address at the convention. Link Bloomberg is a Liberal. This is no surprise. Bloomberg on the Issues http://www.ontheissues.org/Mike_Bloomberg.htm __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #47   Jul 24, '16, 11:03 am Joseph3 Banned Join Date: March 17, 2016 Posts: 2,137 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam Bloomberg is a Liberal. This is no surprise. Bloomberg on the Issues http://www.ontheissues.org/Mike_Bloomberg.htm He is a liberal who posed as a Republican just like Rudy Giuliani.   #48   Jul 24, '16, 11:06 am Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by stinkcat_14 I am not sure how much impact this will have. Michael Bloomberg is not that influential outside of NYC and it is not like New York was ever really in play. Oh I thought Donald Trump thought it was. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #49   Jul 24, '16, 11:09 am Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,805 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails Quote: Originally Posted by mary bobo I thought the DNC was supposed to be non-partisan with the candidates. In this case they supported Hillary from the git-go and did everything they could to demean Bernie. Pretty much the same thing the RNC did and is still doing.The difference is The Dems voters' will unite around HC even if they can't stomach her.Whereas,we have a segment of the Republican voting base who refuse to vote for Trump,even if it means giving HC an edge.   #50   Jul 24, '16, 11:09 am DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Joseph3 He is a liberal who posed as a Republican just like Rudy Giuliani. What? __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #51   Jul 24, '16, 11:12 am Joseph3 Banned Join Date: March 17, 2016 Posts: 2,137 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY What? Rudy Giuliani is more like a Democrat than a Republican. It is the same with Michael Bloomberg.   #52   Jul 24, '16, 11:13 am gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Joseph3 He is a liberal who posed as a Republican just like Rudy Giuliani. Not really. Giuliani is a conservative. Giuliani on the issues http://www.ontheissues.org/Rudy_Giuliani.htm __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #53   Jul 24, '16, 11:13 am Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob No surprise there-the democrat party is the party of Wall Street. I knew the economy and stock market usually does better under Democrats. http://www.salon.com/2015/12/28/thes...ic_presidents/ __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #54   Jul 24, '16, 11:14 am DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Joseph3 Rudy Giuliani is more like a Democrat than a Republican. It is the same with Michael Bloomberg. You've got to be kidding. On what do you base your statement? __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #55   Jul 24, '16, 11:15 am Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S Pretty much the same thing the RNC did and is still doing.The difference is The Dems voters' will unite around HC even if they can't stomach her.Whereas,we have a segment of the Republican voting base who refuse to vote for Trump,even if it means giving HC an edge. Sounds like both sets of voters will just be following Ted Cruz's suggestion to vote our consciences even though that idea was booed at the RNC. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #56   Jul 24, '16, 11:17 am Joseph3 Banned Join Date: March 17, 2016 Posts: 2,137 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY You've got to be kidding. On what do you base your statement? I base it on his views on same-sex marriage and abortion.   #57   Jul 24, '16, 11:19 am gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe I knew the economy and stock market usually does better under Democrats. http://www.salon.com/2015/12/28/thes...ic_presidents/ The fact that the Republicans have not helped the middle class is the reason for Trump's rise in the party. The middle class doesn't really think Obama has helped them out these 7 years. If they did you wouldn't see the following: http://www.gallup.com/poll/1669/gene...d-country.aspx If your desire is to help the Stock Market though, you don't want Trump to win the election. The Market hates the unpredictable, and Trump, if nothing else, is unpredictable. __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #58   Jul 24, '16, 11:21 am Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,805 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Marie5890 Debbie Wasserman Schultz needs to go. Badly Amen to that!   #59   Jul 24, '16, 11:22 am Siegehammer Junior Member Join Date: October 22, 2014 Posts: 439 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Tuesday members of Mothers of the Movement will be speaking. This will give needed attention to police violence against Black citizens. Quote: Speakers from the group will support the Democratic candidate ..., including Gwen Carr, mother of Eric Garner; Sybrina Fulton, mother of Trayvon Martin; Maria Hamilton, mother of Dontré Hamilton; Lucia McBath, mother of Jordan Davis; Lezley McSpadden, mother of Michael Brown; Cleopatra Pendleton-Cowley, mother of Hadiya Pendleton; and Geneva Reed-Veal, mother of Sandra Bland. It’s a step in the right direction, and it brings some rejuvenating energy to supporters of BLM. It's especially refreshing after last week's relentless chants of all lives matter, which did nothing but demonstrate that Trump and his supporters merely wish to deflect the conversation away from institutional injustices experienced by Blacks.   #60   Jul 24, '16, 11:22 am Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,805 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Outcry from Sanders supporters after leaked DNC 'atheism' emails Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe Sounds like both sets of voters will just be following Ted Cruz's suggestion to vote our consciences even though that idea was booed at the RNC. No doubt,my conscience tells me anyone but HC Jul 25, '16, 3:36 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member   Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,805 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Schadenfreude.............   #242   Jul 25, '16, 3:40 pm gracepoole Senior Member   Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S Schadenfreude............. I sat through all of the GOP convention, painful as it was, and I never had this reaction. It isn't a football game and no one's team is winning or losing. Instead, it's likely everyone will lose.   #243   Jul 25, '16, 3:41 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member   Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,805 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by gracepoole I sat through all of the GOP convention, painful as it was, and I never had this reaction. It isn't a football game and no one's team is winning or losing. Instead, it's likely everyone will lose. Everyone will certainly lose if HC ends up in theWH   #244   Jul 25, '16, 3:42 pm gracepoole Senior Member   Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Darryl1958 The big difference is that the outsider won the GOP nomination, in spite of the movers and shakers of the GOP vociferously objecting at every point. The old "Trump is an outsider" mantra is pretty laughable. No one stands for the status quo of benefiting big businesses quite like him.   #245   Jul 25, '16, 3:43 pm gracepoole Senior Member   Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S Everyone will certainly lose if HC ends up in theWH If you really believe most Americans will "win" if either of them is elected, we're fundamentally different.   #246   Jul 25, '16, 3:44 pm Seamus L Senior Member   Join Date: November 22, 2007 Posts: 8,087 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread And today it's the Democratic Party that's looking like a house divided   #247   Jul 25, '16, 3:47 pm Padres1969 Regular Member   Join Date: October 28, 2015 Posts: 5,291 Religion: Episcopalian Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Seamus L And today it's the Democratic Party that's looking like a house divided Yep. Both parties are in disarray. For different reasons, and their candidate ends up being the person from the opposite side of the insider/outsider divide. But the end result is that neither party has a particularly electable candidate, and both parties have large segments of voters who are completely disillusioned with their own party.   #248   Jul 25, '16, 3:49 pm Cider Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2007 Posts: 4,817 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Seamus L And today it's the Democratic Party that's looking like a house divided I must say, all those gloating posts about how they are united are proving, well wishful thinking.   #249   Jul 25, '16, 3:51 pm Sy Noe Senior Member   Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Among Democrats and Democratic leaners who backed Sanders in the primary contests, 85% say they plan to vote for Clinton in the general election. http://www.people-press.org/2016/07/...n-preferences/ In 2008 the highest number of Clinton backers before the actual election who were backing Obama was 74% and that wasn't until October. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ed-to-clinton/ __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #250   Jul 25, '16, 3:53 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member   Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,805 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by gracepoole If you really believe most Americans will "win" if either of them is elected, we're fundamentally different. Yes I believe we are fundamentally different,I figured that out some time ago.   #251   Jul 25, '16, 3:54 pm Padres1969 Regular Member   Join Date: October 28, 2015 Posts: 5,291 Religion: Episcopalian Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Despite Wikileaks claims to the contrary, it looks like not only is Russia behind the DNC leaks, it looks like some of the material contained there in might not even be real, but rather Russian planted material. It's a dangerous and potentially explosive action for their authoritarian regime to make trying to manipulate the US election. http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...ies-1784252633   #252   Jul 25, '16, 3:56 pm gracepoole Senior Member   Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S Yes I believe we are fundamentally different,I figured that out some time ago.   #253   Jul 25, '16, 4:16 pm gilliam Forum Elder   Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Padres1969 Despite Wikileaks claims to the contrary, it looks like not only is Russia behind the DNC leaks, it looks like some of the material contained there in might not even be real, but rather Russian planted material. It's a dangerous and potentially explosive action for their authoritarian regime to make trying to manipulate the US election. http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the...ies-1784252633 That is a blog engaging in speculation about what another blog said. I think if the DNC wanted to deny any of the emails are real they very well could; and will. __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #254   Jul 25, '16, 4:17 pm gracepoole Senior Member   Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread I'm not vouching for this source or its claim... But hoo boy if it's right! Thinks are gonna get even wackier in Philly. BREAKING: DNC Stuns America, Will Place Bernie Sanders Name On Nomination   #255   Jul 25, '16, 4:21 pm Good Tidings Regular Member   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by gracepoole I'm not vouching for this source or its claim... But hoo boy if it's right! Thinks are gonna get even wackier in Philly. BREAKING: DNC Stuns America, Will Place Bernie Sanders Name On Nomination I saw that, too; but I don't know what it means. Are they having a roll call vote? Do they think that will change the outcome? Jul 25, '16, 4:25 pm gracepoole Senior Member   Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings I saw that, too; but I don't know what it means. Are they having a roll call vote? I honestly don't know. This is the only source I've seen running this story.   #257   Jul 25, '16, 4:27 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread I think what Bernie Sanders has to try to do tonight is convince his supporters that Donald Trump is a worse threat to America at home and abroad than Hillary Clinton. They will want specifics, not generalities.   #258   Jul 25, '16, 4:27 pm gracepoole Senior Member   Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy I think what Bernie Sanders has to try to do tonight is convince his supporters that Donald Trump is a worse threat to America at home and abroad than Hillary Clinton. They will want specifics, not generalities. That shouldn't be hard -- at least not given the audience.   #259   Jul 25, '16, 4:29 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by gracepoole That shouldn't be hard -- at least not given the audience. Seemingly so, but he has already made a strong case against Hillary Clinton. Somehow he has to backtrack on that.   #260   Jul 25, '16, 4:29 pm Dwyer Regular Member   Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread All the Networks, including MSNBC and CNN, cut the President of AFL-CIO Richard Trumka's speech. That demonstrates none of the Cable Networks care about Labor in the United States. The Hillary--Bernie Feud is much more important to talk about. __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.) Last edited by Dwyer; Jul 25, '16 at 4:42 pm.   #261   Jul 25, '16, 4:30 pm Good Tidings Regular Member   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by gracepoole I honestly don't know. This is the only source I've seen running this story. From what I can glean, Bernie supporters want a roll call vote so they can support him out loud. In 2008 Hillary asked for a unanimous voice vote to nominate Obama. I don't think anyone thinks that the method will change the outcome.   #262   Jul 25, '16, 4:32 pm Padres1969 Regular Member   Join Date: October 28, 2015 Posts: 5,291 Religion: Episcopalian Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy I think what Bernie Sanders has to try to do tonight is convince his supporters that Donald Trump is a worse threat to America at home and abroad than Hillary Clinton. They will want specifics, not generalities. Given Trump shares almost no political positions with Sanders other than being a party outsider that shouldn't be too hard. Trump and his VP are a direct threat to the far left progressive agenda on almost every topic (save those we have no idea of Trump's actual political position or which he's hazy on). For all her issues, Hillary at least shares a fair number of Sanders values, and as a result of Sander's campaign in large, the Democratic platform has never been more progressive. Meanwhile the Republican platform is about an non-Sanders as you can get. It really shouldn't take any convincing at all for his groupies to see that Trump is this much bigger threat. But some Sanders groupies, and they are groupies in many cases, don't seem to be swayed much by logic.   #263   Jul 25, '16, 4:32 pm Good Tidings Regular Member   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Dwyer All the Networks, including MSNBC and CNN, cut the Richard Trumka, President of AFL-CIO Richard Trumka's speech. That demonstrates none of the Cable Networks care about Labor in the United States. The Hillary--Bernie Feud is much more important to talk about. No kidding. It's best to watch on C-span.   #264   Jul 25, '16, 4:33 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Dwyer All the Networks, including MSNBC and CNN, cut the Richard Trumka, President of AFL-CIO Richard Trumka's speech. That demonstrates none of the Cable Networks care about Labor in the United States. That may have been an interesting speech to hear. But Trumka is not a political star like Elizabeth Warren, Michelle Obama, and Bernie Sanders, and the networks like stars.   #265   Jul 25, '16, 4:36 pm Good Tidings Regular Member   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Padres1969 Given Trump shares almost no political positions with Sanders other than being a party outsider that shouldn't be too hard. Trump and his VP are a direct threat to the far left progressive agenda on almost every topic (save those we have no idea of Trump's actual political position or which he's hazy on). For all her issues, Hillary at least shares a fair number of Sanders values, and as a result of Sander's campaign in large, the Democratic platform has never been more progressive. Meanwhile the Republican platform is about an non-Sanders as you can get. It really shouldn't take any convincing at all for his groupies to see that Trump is this much bigger threat. But some Sanders groupies, and they are groupies in many cases, don't seem to be swayed much by logic. I was reading a very liberal site and many Bernie supporters were apologizing for the shenanigans at the DNC. They say that some of these people are the green party who found common ground with Bernie. They are on the left of Bernie. ( no kidding) They now feel they have a voice; and they do.   #266   Jul 25, '16, 4:36 pm Ridgerunner Forum Elder   Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,710 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by gracepoole The old "Trump is an outsider" mantra is pretty laughable. No one stands for the status quo of benefiting big businesses quite like him. There is no particularly good reason to believe this. After all, he's the one who sued Deutchebank when it tried to take all his assets during the recession, and won. He might have no love for Big Wall Street at all, and certainly he isn't beholding to them.   #267   Jul 25, '16, 4:40 pm Ridgerunner Forum Elder   Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,710 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Padres1969 . For all her issues, Hillary at least shares a fair number of Sanders values, and as a result of Sander's campaign in large, the Democratic platform has never been more progressive. Meanwhile the Republican platform is about an non-Sanders as you can get. It really shouldn't take any convincing at all for his groupies to see that Trump is this much bigger threat. But some Sanders groupies, and they are groupies in many cases, don't seem to be swayed much by logic. Hillary Clinton shares support for abortion on demand with Sanders, and that's about it.   #268   Jul 25, '16, 4:40 pm Cider Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2007 Posts: 4,817 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by gracepoole That shouldn't be hard -- at least not given the audience. I don't think Bernie supporters protesting outside are going to be convinced.   #269   Jul 25, '16, 4:42 pm Good Tidings Regular Member   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Cider I don't think Bernie supporters protesting outside are going to be convinced. You may be right. It's the liberal version of the Tea Party without the Koch money.   #270   Jul 25, '16, 4:43 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Cider I don't think Bernie supporters protesting outside are going to be convinced. C'est parce que ceux-ci ont l'esprit de contradiction!    Jul 25, '16, 4:46 pm Cider Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2007 Posts: 4,817 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy C'est parce que ceux-ci ont l'esprit de contradiction! LOL, well I'm just saying. At some point the election will happen those protesters will decide, vote, don't vote and for who. I don't think those protesting are just going to do what Bernie says. With phones and apps you can still watch or hear the convention while protesting.   #272   Jul 25, '16, 4:50 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Cider LOL, well I'm just saying. I got tired of English, but I'm back on track now. For non-French speakers: "It's because these (supporters) have rebellious minds, spirits!"   #273   Jul 25, '16, 4:51 pm Cider Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2007 Posts: 4,817 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy I got tired of English, but I'm back on track now. For non-French speakers: "It's because these (supporters) have rebellious minds, spirits!" I have just enough French that I could figure out what you meant. I'm not fluent though.   #274   Jul 25, '16, 4:52 pm Saints Alive Regular Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: September 10, 2012 Posts: 1,240 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread I'm listening to the convention on the radio and judging by the music going on right now it would not surprise me if Lady Gaga made an appearance LOL Sheesh __________________ Go Cubs !   #275   Jul 25, '16, 4:53 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Cider LOL, well I'm just saying. At some point the election will happen those protesters will decide, vote, don't vote and for who. I don't think those protesting are just going to do what Bernie says. With phones and apps you can still watch or hear the convention while protesting. Bernie promised them a political revolution, which, they know Hillary will never provide. Many of the protesters are young, idealistic, and foolish. They'll learn eventually.   #276   Jul 25, '16, 4:55 pm Cider Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2007 Posts: 4,817 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Bernie promised them a political revolution, which, they know Hillary will never provide. Many of them are young, idealistic, and foolish. They'll learn eventually. Oh come on, why the need to denigrate the young. And some of them aren't that young. I voted for him. I'm in the middle, not a boomer, not a millennial.   #277   Jul 25, '16, 4:58 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Cider Oh come on, why the need to denigrate the young. And some of them aren't that young. I voted for him. I'm in the middle, not a boomer, not a millennial. I didn't mean to denigrate them. It's great to be young, idealistic, and foolish. I voted for Bernie too and I'm older than you. But we know better how to compromise...a little since we've lived more.   #278   Jul 25, '16, 4:58 pm Padres1969 Regular Member   Join Date: October 28, 2015 Posts: 5,291 Religion: Episcopalian Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Cider Oh come on, why the need to denigrate the young. And some of them aren't that young. I voted for him. I'm in the middle, not a boomer, not a millennial. The point does stand however. A large number of Bernie supporters seem to believe some form of revolution was possible under Bernie. When it didn't materialize, they have essentially thrown a tantrum and would rather cut off their nose to spite their face when it comes to their overall progressive goals. If it comes down to getting something or getting nothing, they seemingly have forgotten the truism that something is better than nothing. Because their promised revolution was like everything else in politics, a bunch of hot air. I mean don't get me wrong, I too voted for Sanders in the primaries. But I'm also a pragmatic realist. Given the choices we're left with the only choice for anyone who voted for Sanders is clear, regardless of how distasteful it is to make. That or you don't really believe in the progressive agenda of Sanders at all and you were quite literally a Sanders groupie.   #279   Jul 25, '16, 5:01 pm Padres1969 Regular Member   Join Date: October 28, 2015 Posts: 5,291 Religion: Episcopalian Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Ridgerunner Hillary Clinton shares support for abortion on demand with Sanders, and that's about it. I suggest you read up on their positions on the issues. They actually share quite a bit more than their abortion support on a bunch of issues voters find far more important than abortion. http://static6.businessinsider.com/i...rs_updated.png   #280   Jul 25, '16, 5:03 pm Cider Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2007 Posts: 4,817 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy I didn't mean to denigrate them. It's great to be young, idealistic, and foolish. I voted for Bernie too and I'm older than you. But we know better how to compromise...a little since we've lived more. I feel like I've compromised in every election I've voted in since Perot. Perot was the last person I've voted for in the general that I actually supported. I'm hitting my limit with compromise.   #281   Jul 25, '16, 5:07 pm Padres1969 Regular Member   Join Date: October 28, 2015 Posts: 5,291 Religion: Episcopalian Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Cider I feel like I've compromised in every election I've voted in since Perot. Perot was the last person I've voted for in the general that I actually supported. I'm hitting my limit with compromise. And there in lies the ultimate problem. Politics is the art of compromise. It always has been, it's how the whole damn system works. But in recent years both sides have been digging in like they're on the Western Front in WW1. And the end result is the same as it was on the fields of Europe 100 years ago. Deadlock and death, only this time it's going to be their parties if they're not careful.   #282   Jul 25, '16, 5:15 pm Cider Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2007 Posts: 4,817 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Padres1969 The point does stand however. A large number of Bernie supporters seem to believe some form of revolution was possible under Bernie. When it didn't materialize, they have essentially thrown a tantrum and would rather cut off their nose to spite their face when it comes to their overall progressive goals. If it comes down to getting something or getting nothing, they seemingly have forgotten the truism that something is better than nothing. Because their promised revolution was like everything else in politics, a bunch of hot air. I mean don't get me wrong, I too voted for Sanders in the primaries. But I'm also a pragmatic realist. Given the choices we're left with the only choice for anyone who voted for Sanders is clear, regardless of how distasteful it is to make. That or you don't really believe in the progressive agenda of Sanders at all and you were quite literally a Sanders groupie. I mostly voted for Sanders because I didn't want Hillary to win the nomination and my state has an open primary that was going to be won by Cruz or Trump on the R side, neither of which I supported. Neither party really represents me. I am staunchly pro life and I support broad social welfare programs. At the same time I support Hobby Lobby and Little Sisters of the Poor not having to pay for birth control or abortions. I believe that Dr's that have religious objections shouldn't be forced to rx RU486 or even birth control. I support homeschooling without reporting to any government agency. I don't think that it's legal for the feds to force people to purchase any product just because they are breathing, but I think everyone should have access to health care. Abortion is not health care though. I think women should get equal pay for equal work and that we should have paid maternity leave and disability ( not just SSDI). I also strongly support the second amendment. I also think we need term limits for every elected office and that congress shouldn't be seen as a career but a short term service to your country. I think that if you don't like the law, you should work to change, not just decide to not enforce it like Obama does. I also think that congress needs to do it's job, which means that we don't wait 9 months for a new POTUS to at least put up someone for SCOTUS. The POTUS puts someone up and congress either approves or doesn't but no sitting on your rear saying POTUS has no right to do their job. And congress not should be voting their own raises, nor should they pass legislation they never read. Oh and stop stealing from social security trust fund and balance the darn budget. Stop spending money we don't have. We shouldn't be borrowing money from China to hand out in aid to other countries. I'm all for aid, but not if means we are borrowing from China to pay for it. Last edited by Cider; Jul 25, '16 at 5:27 pm.   #283   Jul 25, '16, 5:28 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Cider I feel like I've compromised in every election I've voted in since Perot. Perot was the last person I've voted for in the general that I actually supported. I'm hitting my limit with compromise. Thinking back to that famous debate hosted by Larry King (did you see it, and remember when Cher called in and conversed with and supported Perot?) between Perot and Gore, Perot was right, after all, about NAFTA, which was supported by both Bush, Sr. and Bill Clinton. We should have listened to Perot on that score. Now Trump says (I think) that he also opposed NAFTA. Of course, he has other views that are not so palatable to me. As to compromise, it is generally the name of the game in politics. Even in 1968, many of us young whipper-snappers voted for Humphrey, who was not our ideal candidate, but still better than Nixon, we thought.   #284   Jul 25, '16, 5:39 pm estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter   Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy I didn't mean to denigrate them. It's great to be young, idealistic, and foolish. I voted for Bernie too and I'm older than you. But we know better how to compromise...a little since we've lived more. I campaigned for McGovern in my first presidential election .   #285   Jul 25, '16, 5:41 pm Cider Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2007 Posts: 4,817 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Thinking back to that famous debate hosted by Larry King (did you see it, and remember when Cher called in and conversed with and supported Perot?) between Perot and Gore, Perot was right, after all, about NAFTA, which was supported by both Bush, Sr. and Bill Clinton. We should have listened to Perot on that score. Now Trump says (I think) that he also opposed NAFTA. Of course, he has other views that are not so palatable to me. As to compromise, it is generally the name of the game in politics. Even in 1968, many of us young whipper-snappers voted for Humphrey, who was not our ideal candidate, but still better than Nixon, we thought. I don't remember Larry King with Perot and Gore, I do remember a debate with Bill Clinton, Perot and Bush. I still remember who I watched it with and that they tried to get me to vote for Clinton.   Jul 25, '16, 5:41 pm DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob I campaigned for McGovern in my first presidential election . I volunteered for Bill Clinton's first term __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #287   Jul 25, '16, 5:44 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob I campaigned for McGovern in my first presidential election . So, what happened?! No, don't tell me; I already know. The Democratic Party left you. And now the Republican Party is also leaving, I'm afraid. Both of them have had a good run.   #288   Jul 25, '16, 5:45 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY I volunteered for Bill Clinton's first term Tell me it ain't so!   #289   Jul 25, '16, 5:46 pm estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter   Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy So, what happened?! No, don't tell me; I already know. The Democratic Party left you. And now the Republican Party is also leaving, I'm afraid. Both of them have had a good run. What happened was Ronald Reagan   #290   Jul 25, '16, 5:47 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob What happened was Ronald Reagan And Jimmy Carter.   #291   Jul 25, '16, 5:50 pm Cider Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2007 Posts: 4,817 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY I volunteered for Bill Clinton's first term I was really mad at Clinton and the Republicans for the welfare changes they did. In fact I still don't like Gingrich as a result. I remember watching it on c-span. I don't like the lifetime limit because I don't want people on the street and I feel the changes just encouraged abortions.   #292   Jul 25, '16, 5:51 pm Good Tidings Regular Member   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Oh,Oh! A commercial during the DNC was a "Come Home, Catholics" It was a well done commercial. I guess they figure they have their work cut out for them.   #293   Jul 25, '16, 5:55 pm Good Tidings Regular Member   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread I'm guessing Trump will be tweeting about Al Franken within minutes.   #294   Jul 25, '16, 5:56 pm Ridgerunner Forum Elder   Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,710 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings Oh,Oh! A commercial during the DNC was a "Come Home, Catholics" It was a well done commercial. I guess they figure they have their work cut out for them. Glad I missed it. For Catholics, the Dem party is no home, but a wilderness.   #295   Jul 25, '16, 6:00 pm Cider Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2007 Posts: 4,817 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Ridgerunner Glad I missed it. For Catholics, the Dem party is no home, but a wilderness. Catholics Come Home is an evangelizing organization. It's not political. It's a group trying to bring Catholics back into the church.   #296   Jul 25, '16, 6:01 pm Good Tidings Regular Member   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Ridgerunner Glad I missed it. For Catholics, the Dem party is no home, but a wilderness. I'm glad that they didn't portray it like you did. What a refreshing message to see!   #297   Jul 25, '16, 6:02 pm Good Tidings Regular Member   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Cider Catholics Come Home is an evangelizing organization. It's not political. It's a group trying to bring Catholics back into the church. It's well done.   #298   Jul 25, '16, 6:04 pm Cider Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2007 Posts: 4,817 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings It's well done. I've seen their commercials before and I've been to their website.   #299   Jul 25, '16, 6:10 pm DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Tell me it ain't so! I did! Even though I ended up quite disillusioned, I still have the very strange, unexplainable soft spot for him. I feel I should not admit that publicly! __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #300   Jul 25, '16, 6:10 pm gracepoole Senior Member   Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Ridgerunner There is no particularly good reason to believe this. After all, he's the one who sued Deutchebank when it tried to take all his assets during the recession, and won. He might have no love for Big Wall Street at all, and certainly he isn't beholding to them. Please. Why Donald Trump Is The Establishment Candidate Trump's No Anti-Establishment Rebel   Jul 25, '16, 6:11 pm gracepoole Senior Member   Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings Oh,Oh! A commercial during the DNC was a "Come Home, Catholics" It was a well done commercial. I guess they figure they have their work cut out for them. That's interesting. I wonder if they were played during the GOP convention?   #302   Jul 25, '16, 6:15 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY I did! Even though I ended up quite disillusioned, I still have the very strange, unexplainable soft spot for him. I feel I should not admit that publicly! Your secret is safe with us.   #303   Jul 25, '16, 6:19 pm Joseph3 Banned   Join Date: March 17, 2016 Posts: 2,137 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings Yes, Donald Trump does love him some Putin. He even admires him for killing off journalist. Maybe that's why he went easy on him in the Republican platform? He went easy on Putin because he admires Putin ideologically.   #304   Jul 25, '16, 6:19 pm estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter   Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Your secret is safe with us. When I was young and foolish I was young and foolish   #305   Jul 25, '16, 6:22 pm Good Tidings Regular Member   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Sarah Silverman to the Bernie or Bust people: "You"re being ridiculous."   #306   Jul 25, '16, 6:23 pm Good Tidings Regular Member   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Joseph3 He went easy on Putin because he admires Putin ideologically. Quite right.   #307   Jul 25, '16, 6:23 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Sen. Al Franken together with Sarah Silverman. The DNC is a joke. (Should I keep my day job?)   #308   Jul 25, '16, 6:25 pm gracepoole Senior Member   Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings Sarah Silverman to the Bernie or Bust people: "You"re being ridiculous." Haha. (And wow, Paul Simon. Eek.)   #309   Jul 25, '16, 6:25 pm Cider Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2007 Posts: 4,817 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings Sarah Silverman to the Bernie or Bust people: "You"re being ridiculous." Does anyone take advice from her? I tend to doubt it.   #310   Jul 25, '16, 6:26 pm YADA Forum Supporter   Join Date: October 21, 2004 Posts: 4,884 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread The real truth found in the emails is that the DNC is full of people who are racist bigots. The emails shows racial and religious bigotry against people of color and based on religious beliefs, The Party that attempted to make the phrase "Make America Great Again" a racist insult and equated that to an attempt to return to segregation .. sheesh .. makes fun of peoples names, refers to certain people as food items and plans to attempt to divide the electorate by asking about a candidates faith or lack there of. Additionally we have emails that refer to selling access to the highest bidder and defrauding an insurance carrier. Now they want to deflect the discussion from the content of the emails to lay blame on the Russians and Trump .... The media will not seriously cover the story about the emails - they will write more about the Russians than about the content .. I hope and pray that people of faith, people of color and just the average voter who can never buy access are paying attention .... __________________ Living the Journey, YADA Respect Christ - Vote Life   #311   Jul 25, '16, 6:27 pm Padres1969 Regular Member   Join Date: October 28, 2015 Posts: 5,291 Religion: Episcopalian Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings Sarah Silverman to the Bernie or Bust people: "You"re being ridiculous." When Sarah Silverman is telling you off...   #312   Jul 25, '16, 6:27 pm Good Tidings Regular Member   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Sen. Al Franken together with Sarah Silverman. The DNC is a joke. (Should I keep my day job?) Absolutely! After the convention last week, I was hoping they would get a few comedians in. Now Paul Simon is singing "Bridge Over Troubled Water". I guess that's better than "You Can't Always Get What You Want".   #313   Jul 25, '16, 6:30 pm gracepoole Senior Member   Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by YADA The real truth found in the emails is that the DNC is full of people who are racist bigots. The emails shows racial and religious bigotry against people of color and based on religious beliefs, The Party that attempted to make the phrase "Make America Great Again" a racist insult and equated that to an attempt to return to segregation .. sheesh .. makes fun of peoples names, refers to certain people as food items and plans to attempt to divide the electorate by asking about a candidates faith or lack there of. Additionally we have emails that refer to selling access to the highest bidder and defrauding an insurance carrier. Now they want to deflect the discussion from the content of the emails to lay blame on the Russians and Trump .... The media will not seriously cover the story about the emails - they will write more about the Russians than about the content .. I hope and pray that people of faith, people of color and just the average voter who can never buy access are paying attention .... Oh, come now. There's enough bigotry for all.   #314   Jul 25, '16, 6:31 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings Absolutely! After the convention last week, I was hoping they would get a few comedians in. Now Paul Simon is singing "Bridge Over Troubled Water". I guess that's better than "You Can't Always Get What You Want". Both pieces are appropriate. I would have preferred Art Garfunkel for this song. But wait, this is NOT a concert or a comedy club. I forgot.   #315   Jul 25, '16, 6:34 pm Good Tidings Regular Member   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Both pieces are appropriate. I would have preferred Art Garfunkel for this song. But wait, this is NOT a concert or a comedy club. I forgot. What better to diffuse tension than laughter? A job well done. Now let's move on to the business at hand.   Jul 25, '16, 6:43 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member   Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread https://mobile.twitter.com/RichardGr...78304400928768 What the heck is this?   #317   Jul 25, '16, 6:47 pm Arizona Mike Regular Member   Join Date: May 28, 2011 Posts: 2,921 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings I'm glad that they didn't portray it like you did. What a refreshing message to see! Meanwhile, the Democratic Party Platform at the convention calls for the repeal of the Hyde Amendment, which currently prohibits the use of federal funds to pay for abortions. __________________ "The path that leads us toward what is most consonant with us, pushes us into Mystery, makes us enter Mystery." - Pope Francis   #318   Jul 25, '16, 6:48 pm gracepoole Senior Member   Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv https://mobile.twitter.com/RichardGr...78304400928768 What the heck is this? From the looks of it, I'd say every concert I've ever been to.   #319   Jul 25, '16, 6:48 pm YADA Forum Supporter   Join Date: October 21, 2004 Posts: 4,884 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by gracepoole Oh, come now. There's enough bigotry for all. The DNC constantly attacks the Right, the RNC, Conservatives, Tea Party, even the Church and other Christians for being racist bigoted xenophobes ... they paint with a very broad brush ... and what we have is the DNC leadership - behind the scenes showing their true feelings about people of color,sexual orientation and faiths .. you don't find that to be the ultimate hypocrisy? What about the killing of horses to defraud an insurance carrier? That is illegal - and it increases the costs of insurance for everyone ... What about the selling of influence? I suppose that blatant admission means nothing to you .... When a democratic elected official yesterday told a reporter that to "Make America Great Again" meant that republicans wanted to turn back the clocks to a time where that reporter would have to sit in the back of the bus and not be able to drink from a water fountain ... while DNC leadership discusses Taco Salad Bowls, peoples names, and plots to have a shill ask questions about a persons faith/lack of faith .... pays people to "Protest" .. fakes and films outrage .... colludes with the mainstream media outlets ... And this is business as usual for you I guess .. .. I find it appalling __________________ Living the Journey, YADA Respect Christ - Vote Life   #320   Jul 25, '16, 6:51 pm Good Tidings Regular Member   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv https://mobile.twitter.com/RichardGr...78304400928768 What the heck is this? Why would you ask? It's a camera shot.   #321   Jul 25, '16, 6:53 pm Good Tidings Regular Member   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Arizona Mike Meanwhile, the Democratic Party Platform at the convention calls for the repeal of the Hyde Amendment, which currently prohibits the use of federal funds to pay for abortions. The Hyde amendment is the law of the land. Why do people keep saying that abortion is paid for by taxpayers?   #322   Jul 25, '16, 6:57 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member   Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings Why would you ask? It's a camera shot. It does not look good at all. Looks shoddy.   #323   Jul 25, '16, 7:03 pm Good Tidings Regular Member   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv It does not look good at all. Looks shoddy. What's shoddy? Stay in the lines and the camera will pick you up. It 's common practice. In making movies, they hire people to stand in camera line. My cousin actually had that job.   #324   Jul 25, '16, 7:04 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread New Jersey Senator Cory Booker gave an uplifting, inspirational, powerful speech based on optimism and love for America and all Americans (except Donald Trump). It was highly emotional and energetic, and well delivered. Bravo!   #325   Jul 25, '16, 7:08 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member   Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings What's shoddy? Stay in the lines and the camera will pick you up. It 's common practice. In making movies, they hire people to stand in camera line. My cousin actually had that job. I don't know much about camera lines but the blue fence looks bad to me if you take an overview of the arena. Are they afraid of people rushing on the stage?   #326   Jul 25, '16, 7:09 pm estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter   Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy New Jersey Senator Cory Booker gave an uplifting, inspirational, powerful speech based on optimism and love for America and all Americans (except Donald Trump). It was highly emotional and energetic, and well delivered. Bravo! I assume you did not realize the Astros Yankees games was on.   #327   Jul 25, '16, 7:11 pm Good Tidings Regular Member   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy New Jersey Senator Cory Booker gave an uplifting, inspirational, powerful speech based on optimism and love for America and all Americans (except Donald Trump). It was highly emotional and energetic, and well delivered. Bravo! Agreed. Bravo!! Now Michelle Obama is knocking it out of the park!   #328   Jul 25, '16, 7:11 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob I assume you did not realize the Astros Yankees games was on. No, I didn't. Thanks!   #329   Jul 25, '16, 7:13 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Sen. Al Franken together with Sarah Silverman. The DNC is a joke. (Should I keep my day job?) Sarah Silverman is one of the most vulgar and foul mouthed female comedian. she really had to tone it down tonight and behave ladylike. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #330   Jul 25, '16, 7:15 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows Sarah Silverman is one of the most vulgar and foul mouthed female comedian. she really had to tone it down tonight and behave ladylike. Yes, I know. So was the late Joan Rivers, one of her idols. But as least Joan was funny.   Jul 25, '16, 7:15 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy New Jersey Senator Cory Booker gave an uplifting, inspirational, powerful speech based on optimism and love for America and all Americans (except Donald Trump). It was highly emotional and energetic, and well delivered. Bravo! he will probably run in 2020. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #332   Jul 25, '16, 7:16 pm Good Tidings Regular Member   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows Sarah Silverman is one of the most vulgar and foul mouthed female comedian. she really had to tone it down tonight and behave ladylike. She managed to do that and get her point across in an effective manner.   #333   Jul 25, '16, 7:17 pm Good Tidings Regular Member   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows he will probably run in 2020. Michelle may have a future in politics, too. if that is what she wants.   #334   Jul 25, '16, 7:20 pm Good Tidings Regular Member   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Michelle Obama is going to be the brightest star in this convention. You go girl!   #335   Jul 25, '16, 7:20 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Yes, I know. So was the late Joan Rivers, one of her idols. But as least Joan was funny. exactly. sarah acts like a very spoiled brat! __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #336   Jul 25, '16, 7:21 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings Michelle Obama is going to be the brightest star in this convention. You go girl! but did she really mean all those things she says? __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #337   Jul 25, '16, 7:22 pm Good Tidings Regular Member   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows exactly. sarah acts like a very spoiled brat! Did you watch her tonight?   #338   Jul 25, '16, 7:27 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings Did you watch her tonight? yes. she always acts like she is so special. sarah silverman is who I am talking about. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #339   Jul 25, '16, 7:30 pm Good Tidings Regular Member   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows but did she really mean all those things she says? Like what?   #340   Jul 25, '16, 7:32 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings Like what? everything she said about Hillary? __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #341   Jul 25, '16, 7:32 pm ComplineSanFran Regular Member   Join Date: June 17, 2015 Posts: 2,521 Religion: Anglican Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings Michelle Obama is going to be the brightest star in this convention. You go girl! So very proud of our First Lady.   #342   Jul 25, '16, 7:33 pm Good Tidings Regular Member   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows everything she said about Hillary? Could you be precise?   #343   Jul 25, '16, 7:35 pm shockerfan Regular Member   Join Date: May 22, 2004 Posts: 3,194 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings Like what? I would think things like she wants her daughters to have a president they can look up to. I don't think Trump falls into that category, however, would you want your daughters to look up to someone who perjured herself, who helped attack woman sexually abused by her husband, who lied to the face of parents of dead Americans? She would have been better off saying that her daughters should appreciate the policies Hillary supports, and made no comment about Hillary's values. __________________ Shockerfan ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pro-Choice Christians: Giving Christ a bad name since 1973   #344   Jul 25, '16, 7:38 pm Good Tidings Regular Member   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by shockerfan I would think things like she wants her daughters to have a president they can look up to. I don't think Trump falls into that category, however, would you want your daughters to look up to someone who perjured herself, who helped attack woman sexually abused by her husband, who lied to the face of parents of dead Americans? She would have been better off saying that her daughters should appreciate the policies Hillary supports, and made no comment about Hillary's values. So let's stick to the things she actually said.   #345   Jul 25, '16, 7:39 pm Good Tidings Regular Member   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by ComplineSanFran So very proud of our First Lady.   Jul 25, '16, 7:40 pm _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior   Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,523 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread "WATCH: Crowd chants "We trusted you! We trusted you!" at Elizabeth Warren #DemsInPhilly* washex.am/29W3cdT" https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/statu...66134011756545 __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org   #347   Jul 25, '16, 7:40 pm estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter   Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Bernie Fans Claim Their Signs Are Being Seized At Convention Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/25/be...#ixzz4FTjzNMp5   #348   Jul 25, '16, 7:43 pm shockerfan Regular Member   Join Date: May 22, 2004 Posts: 3,194 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings So let's stick to the things she actually said. I did. She talked about having her daughters being able to look up to a President with values. Hillary has no values, as I pointed out in my post __________________ Shockerfan ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pro-Choice Christians: Giving Christ a bad name since 1973   #349   Jul 25, '16, 7:44 pm estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter   Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread SANDERS SUPPORTERS START BOOING INVOCATION WHEN HILLARY CLINTON IS MENTIONED http://ntknetwork.com/sanders-suppor...-is-mentioned/   #350   Jul 25, '16, 7:45 pm estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter   Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by shockerfan I did. She talked about having her daughters being able to look up to a President with values. Hillary has no values, as I pointed out in my post I am amazed anybody would use Hillary and values in the same sentence   #351   Jul 25, '16, 7:46 pm Good Tidings Regular Member   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia "WATCH: Crowd chants "We trusted you! We trusted you!" at Elizabeth Warren #DemsInPhilly* washex.am/29W3cdT" https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/statu...66134011756545 According to your quote: Tim Waxenfelter ‏@waxenfelter 7m7 minutes ago @dcexaminer The "crowd" sounded like 2 people.   #352   Jul 25, '16, 7:46 pm Cider Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2007 Posts: 4,817 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread I'm glad I recorded it, I just got back home.   #353   Jul 25, '16, 7:49 pm Good Tidings Regular Member   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob I am amazed anybody would use Hillary and values in the same sentence Because Trump has family values?   #354   Jul 25, '16, 7:53 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member   Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings Because Trump has family values? I actually believe he does. Look at his children.   #355   Jul 25, '16, 7:54 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread BERNIE is the star of the show tonight! I feel bad for his supporters. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #356   Jul 25, '16, 7:54 pm Good Tidings Regular Member   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv I actually believe he does. Look at his children. From all three wives! Good job.   #357   Jul 25, '16, 7:54 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv I actually believe he does. Look at his children. I agree! __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #358   Jul 25, '16, 7:55 pm Dwyer Regular Member   Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread One major difference I notice between the Cable TV Networks coverage of last weeks Republican Convention and the Democratic Convention, is that in the coverage of the DNC the Cable TV Networks are broadcasting the DNC prepared Videos but they didn't broadcast any of the RNC Videos (except the biographical one about Trump) . __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)   #359   Jul 25, '16, 8:00 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member   Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows BERNIE is the star of the show tonight! I feel bad for his supporters. Are there any delegates who love Hilary more than Bernie?   #360   Jul 25, '16, 8:02 pm Good Tidings Regular Member   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Dwyer One major difference I notice between the Cable TV Networks coverage of last weeks Republican Convention and the Democratic Convention, is that in the coverage of the DNC the Cable TV Networks are broadcasting the DNC prepared Videos but they didn't broadcast any of the RNC Videos (except the biographical one about Trump) . Did they have any other ones ready to go?     Jul 25, '16, 8:04 pm Cider Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2007 Posts: 4,817 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings From all three wives! Good job. Because Bill and Hillary have such a great marriage? The sexual harassment, the affairs ect.   #362   Jul 25, '16, 8:07 pm Good Tidings Regular Member   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows BERNIE is the star of the show tonight! I feel bad for his supporters. You say that before he barely spoke. Are you listening to the end of his speech?   #363   Jul 25, '16, 8:08 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member   Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread I wouldn't want to be hillary watching bernie's speech. No one seems to be interested in her.   #364   Jul 25, '16, 8:12 pm Good Tidings Regular Member   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv I wouldn't want to be hillary watching bernie's speech. No one seems to be interested in her. But he's talking about the what she can accomplish. I think he's making his case.   #365   Jul 25, '16, 8:17 pm Dwyer Regular Member   Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings Did they have any other ones ready to go? There was one RNC Video for sure about Benghazi; none of the Cable TV Networks broadcast it; PBS also didn't broadcast it. There probably were a few others but I can't recall them atm. __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)   #366   Jul 25, '16, 8:20 pm Alex H Regular Member   Join Date: October 5, 2015 Posts: 623 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Open weeping from Bernie supporters as camera pans to crowd.   #367   Jul 25, '16, 8:23 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Are there any delegates who love Hilary more than Bernie? I believe so, but he is getting a big applause. Wonder what will happen with the roll call vote tomorrow. He did endorse her. Poor guy! __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #368   Jul 25, '16, 8:36 pm Mulligan2 Regular Member   Join Date: December 31, 2012 Posts: 1,355 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread What a fantastic opening night for the Democratic Party Convention. The great speeches - one right after the other - Senator Booker, First Lady Michelle Obama, Senator Warren, and Senator Sanders.   #369   Jul 25, '16, 8:42 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Mulligan2 What a fantastic opening night for the Democratic Party Convention. The great speeches - one right after the other - Senator Booker, First Lady Michelle Obama, Senator Warren, and Senator Sanders. I thought Michelle and Elizabeth were average. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #370   Jul 25, '16, 8:43 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv I actually believe he does. Look at his children. Anything wrong with Chelsea Clinton?   #371   Jul 25, '16, 8:45 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows BERNIE is the star of the show tonight! I feel bad for his supporters. He gave a great speech, whether or not one agrees with all (or any) of his main points. I think he has improved a lot in his delivery.   #372   Jul 25, '16, 8:46 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows I thought Michelle and Elizabeth were average. I agree. I didn't find either of their speeches exceptional.   #373   Jul 25, '16, 8:48 pm Thorolfr Regular Member   Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Mulligan2 What a fantastic opening night for the Democratic Party Convention. The great speeches - one right after the other - Senator Booker, First Lady Michelle Obama, Senator Warren, and Senator Sanders. Michelle Obama's speech was outstanding. I especially liked it when she said, "Don't let anyone tell you that our country isn't great, that we need to make it great again... This is the greatest country on Earth." And when she said that we don't want someone "thin-skinned with a tendency to lash out" in charge of our nation's military, we all knew who she was talking about and she didn't have to name Donald Trump by name even once.   #374   Jul 25, '16, 8:50 pm Sy Noe Senior Member   Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Padres1969 The point does stand however. A large number of Bernie supporters seem to believe some form of revolution was possible under Bernie. When it didn't materialize, they have essentially thrown a tantrum and would rather cut off their nose to spite their face when it comes to their overall progressive goals. If it comes down to getting something or getting nothing, they seemingly have forgotten the truism that something is better than nothing. Because their promised revolution was like everything else in politics, a bunch of hot air. I mean don't get me wrong, I too voted for Sanders in the primaries. But I'm also a pragmatic realist. Given the choices we're left with the only choice for anyone who voted for Sanders is clear, regardless of how distasteful it is to make. That or you don't really believe in the progressive agenda of Sanders at all and you were quite literally a Sanders groupie. And Bernie made that perfectly clear tonight. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #375   Jul 25, '16, 8:53 pm Cider Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2007 Posts: 4,817 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv I wouldn't want to be hillary watching bernie's speech. No one seems to be interested in her. He really got an amazing reception.   Jul 25, '16, 8:57 pm Cider Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2007 Posts: 4,817 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy He gave a great speech, whether or not one agrees with all (or any) of his main points. I think he has improved a lot in his delivery. I liked the beginning, I don't share his disdain for people who have money though.   #377   Jul 25, '16, 8:58 pm Cider Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2007 Posts: 4,817 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr Michelle Obama's speech was outstanding. I especially liked it when she said, "Don't let anyone tell you that our country isn't great, that we need to make it great again... This is the greatest country on Earth." And when she said that we don't want someone "thin-skinned with a tendency to lash out" in charge of our nation's military, we all knew who she was talking about and she didn't have to name Donald Trump by name even once. It's nice she finally thinks so. She certainly has said the opposite in the past.   #378   Jul 25, '16, 9:00 pm Sy Noe Senior Member   Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Sen. Al Franken together with Sarah Silverman. The DNC is a joke. (Should I keep my day job?) I thought it was a brilliant move after the media's emphasis all day. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #379   Jul 25, '16, 9:01 pm Thorolfr Regular Member   Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Cider I liked the beginning, I don't share his disdain for people who have money though. The disdain should be directed at a system that allows 1% to make 85% of all the profits and 1 tenth of 1% to own as much as the other 90%. That 1 tenth of 1% doesn't deserve to have that much wealth. No one deserves to have that much money.   #380   Jul 25, '16, 9:05 pm Sy Noe Senior Member   Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings Agreed. Bravo!! Now Michelle Obama is knocking it out of the park! I liked our First Lady's line about not letting anyone tell you America is not already great. That we are the greatest nation on earth. I thought the first night of this convention was already so much more uplifting than last week's convention. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #381   Jul 25, '16, 9:06 pm Thorolfr Regular Member   Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy He gave a great speech, whether or not one agrees with all (or any) of his main points. I think he has improved a lot in his delivery. Sanders speeches including the one tonight sound very strident to me. I don't care for that speaking style and that's why I didn't care for Trump's speech either. But Sanders did make a lot of good points in his speech.   #382   Jul 25, '16, 9:11 pm Sy Noe Senior Member   Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr Michelle Obama's speech was outstanding. I especially liked it when she said, "Don't let anyone tell you that our country isn't great, that we need to make it great again... This is the greatest country on Earth." And when she said that we don't want someone "thin-skinned with a tendency to lash out" in charge of our nation's military, we all knew who she was talking about and she didn't have to name Donald Trump by name even once. Sorry Thorolfr, didn't see that you liked that America is already the greatest country on earth too before my post. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #383   Jul 25, '16, 9:20 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy He gave a great speech, whether or not one agrees with all (or any) of his main points. I think he has improved a lot in his delivery. yes he has. he really commanded the stage. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #384   Jul 25, '16, 9:28 pm Expatreprocedit Regular Member   Join Date: February 24, 2014 Posts: 1,162 Religion: Orthodox Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe I liked our First Lady's line about not letting anyone tell you America is not already great. That we are the greatest nation on earth. I thought the first night of this convention was already so much more uplifting than last week's convention. I'll take the truth over pandering blandishments.   #385   Jul 25, '16, 9:37 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Anything wrong with Chelsea Clinton? yes. she thinks she is like royalty and she is not. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #386   Jul 25, '16, 9:44 pm Sy Noe Senior Member   Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows yes. she thinks she is like royalty and she is not. Can you be more specific on how she thinks she is like royalty? __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #387   Jul 25, '16, 9:45 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr Michelle Obama's speech was outstanding. I especially liked it when she said, "Don't let anyone tell you that our country isn't great, that we need to make it great again... This is the greatest country on Earth." And when she said that we don't want someone "thin-skinned with a tendency to lash out" in charge of our nation's military, we all knew who she was talking about and she didn't have to name Donald Trump by name even once. I actually think she is trying to undo the damage when she said "for the first time I am proud of my country" 8 years ago. Obama took every chance he could to take a swipe at America. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #388   Jul 25, '16, 9:47 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe Can you be more specific on how she thinks she is like royalty? no. I am too tired tonight. tomorrow. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #389   Jul 25, '16, 9:50 pm Sy Noe Senior Member   Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows I actually think she is trying to undo the damage when she said "for the first time I am proud of my country" 8 years ago. Obama took every chance he could to take a swipe at America. If there was damage it sure didn't keep her from serving going on 8 yrs now as First Lady. There are things I'm not proud of. That doesn't mean it's not great. Just that it isn't perfect. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #390   Jul 25, '16, 10:13 pm ATeNumquam Regular Member   Join Date: May 31, 2004 Posts: 1,297 Religion: Catholic - gender, female Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr Michelle Obama's speech was outstanding. I especially liked it when she said, "Don't let anyone tell you that our country isn't great, that we need to make it great again Now, the thing that gets me, and I say it as a non-American, is why can't many Americans see the truth of this? It AIN'T broke, and Trump by saying that he can fix it and make it great is simply fear-mongering and appealing to the worst side of human nature. I can't see a lot of difference between his tactics and those of Hitler, except that in fact Germany really WAS] down and out after WWI and the German people were humiliated and despairing for their country. I really fear for America if Trump is elected. His isolationist policies aren't going to help "make America great again". And he's not temperamentally fit for the role, has zero "gravitas" which a POTUS surely should have, and may even make the US a laughing stock. This is not really belonging to this thread, I guess...... __________________ A Te numquam separari permittas - never let me be parted from You     Jul 25, '16, 11:47 pm Personanongrata Regular Member   Join Date: January 23, 2011 Posts: 1,044 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by ComplineSanFran So very proud of our First Lady. DITTO!!! __________________ You have to give up the life you planned, to find the one that's waiting for you.   #392   Jul 25, '16, 11:47 pm lmachine Regular Member   Join Date: March 8, 2016 Posts: 1,982 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by ATeNumquam It AIN'T broke, and Trump by saying that he can fix it and make it great is simply fear-mongering and appealing to the worst side of human nature. It's a tactic with a long history, in America and elsewhere. The classic text on the American version is "The Paranoid Style in American Politics".   #393   Jul 25, '16, 11:54 pm Personanongrata Regular Member   Join Date: January 23, 2011 Posts: 1,044 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows I actually think she is trying to undo the damage when she said "for the first time I am proud of my country" 8 years ago. Obama took every chance he could to take a swipe at America. There was no damage to undo. Most intelligent people understood what she meant with that previous comment. Those who didn't, were just upset with them being in the White House. __________________ You have to give up the life you planned, to find the one that's waiting for you.   #394   Jul 26, '16, 3:43 am Maximilan Kolbe Banned   Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Mulligan2 What a fantastic opening night for the Democratic Party Convention. The great speeches - one right after the other - Senator Booker, First Lady Michelle Obama, Senator Warren, and Senator Sanders. Everyone please tag this type of post when any completely one-sided poster tries to convince you that they are neither Democrat or Republican... That claim hardly makes for honest debate. There is no shame in admitting to having a bias or preference, so I don't know why some folks pretend otherwise.   #395   Jul 26, '16, 3:50 am Maximilan Kolbe Banned   Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by ATeNumquam Now, the thing that gets me, and I say it as a non-American, is why can't many Americans see the truth of this? It AIN'T broke, and Trump by saying that he can fix it and make it great is simply fear-mongering and appealing to the worst side of human nature. I can't see a lot of difference between his tactics and those of Hitler, except that in fact Germany really WAS] down and out after WWI and the German people were humiliated and despairing for their country. I really fear for America if Trump is elected. His isolationist policies aren't going to help "make America great again". And he's not temperamentally fit for the role, has zero "gravitas" which a POTUS surely should have, and may even make the US a laughing stock. This is not really belonging to this thread, I guess...... Thank you for the bolded caveat. It explains the rest of the post, and the umpteenth Hitler comparison by a non-American who wasn't around to experience Hitler at all. Your perspective is simply too different from ours, and you refer to "truth" as though we are talking about transubstantiation or something. "It AIN'T broke" is the opinion of a poster from New Zealand, hardly truth, which is why people can't see any of it...   #396   Jul 26, '16, 5:08 am ATeNumquam Regular Member   Join Date: May 31, 2004 Posts: 1,297 Religion: Catholic - gender, female Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread [quote=Maximilan Kolbe;14067199 "It AIN'T broke" is the opinion of a poster from New Zealand, hardly truth, which is why people can't see any of it...[/quote] So you think every other country in the world thinks any differently? I suspect Putin might be the only non-American fan of Trump, and his reason for being so aren't entirely transparent. __________________ A Te numquam separari permittas - never let me be parted from You   #397   Jul 26, '16, 5:18 am estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter   Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr Michelle Obama's speech was outstanding. I especially liked it when she said, "Don't let anyone tell you that our country isn't great, that we need to make it great again... This is the greatest country on Earth." And when she said that we don't want someone "thin-skinned with a tendency to lash out" in charge of our nation's military, we all knew who she was talking about and she didn't have to name Donald Trump by name even once. She didn't believe that eight years ago. “For the first time in my adult lifetime, I’m really proud of my country … not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change,” she said. “I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment.”   #398   Jul 26, '16, 5:39 am Ridgerunner Forum Elder   Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,710 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob She didn't believe that eight years ago. “For the first time in my adult lifetime, I’m really proud of my country … not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change,” she said. “I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment.” Additionally, she characterized America as "downright mean". So, perhaps she likes a "mean country". Certainly this administration has made it a lot "meaner" than it was before Obama took office. Shootings of Police alone are sufficient to tell you that.   #399   Jul 26, '16, 5:41 am DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob She didn't believe that eight years ago. “For the first time in my adult lifetime, I’m really proud of my country … not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change,” she said. “I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment.” She's proud that people are feeling frustrated and disappointed? __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #400   Jul 26, '16, 6:00 am Cider Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2007 Posts: 4,817 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by ATeNumquam Now, the thing that gets me, and I say it as a non-American, is why can't many Americans see the truth of this? It AIN'T broke, and Trump by saying that he can fix it and make it great is simply fear-mongering and appealing to the worst side of human nature. I can't see a lot of difference between his tactics and those of Hitler, except that in fact Germany really WAS] down and out after WWI and the German people were humiliated and despairing for their country. I really fear for America if Trump is elected. His isolationist policies aren't going to help "make America great again". And he's not temperamentally fit for the role, has zero "gravitas" which a POTUS surely should have, and may even make the US a laughing stock. This is not really belonging to this thread, I guess...... The Dems claim it's broke when a Repub has been in the white house and they are trying it get it back. Both parties say it's broke at different times.   #401   Jul 26, '16, 6:05 am estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter   Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread I am a bit confused as to how Democrats are praising both Bernie's and Michelle's speeches since they said the exact opposite things about the state of the country   #402   Jul 26, '16, 6:10 am jcwit Banned   Join Date: November 13, 2015 Posts: 139 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Amazing that so called Catholics can support a person and party that supports abortion, amazing. Regarding the convention, why do they need a fence around it? What are they scared of?   #403   Jul 26, '16, 6:22 am Jeanne S Veteran Member   Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,805 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr Michelle Obama's speech was outstanding. I especially liked it when she said, "Don't let anyone tell you that our country isn't great, that we need to make it great again... This is the greatest country on Earth." And when she said that we don't want someone "thin-skinned with a tendency to lash out" in charge of our nation's military, we all knew who she was talking about and she didn't have to name Donald Trump by name even once. Oh,I would have thought she was referring to her own Hubble,No one more thin skinned or prickly than he!   #404   Jul 26, '16, 6:25 am Jeanne S Veteran Member   Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,805 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe Can you be more specific on how she thinks she is like royalty? I will interject.......the apple doesn't fall far from thectree(s)   #405   Jul 26, '16, 6:27 am Jeanne S Veteran Member   Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,805 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Personanongrata There was no damage to undo. Most intelligent people understood what she meant with that previous comment. Those who didn't, were just upset with them being in the White House. Horse puckey!   Jul 26, '16, 6:36 am 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Glenn Beck (a Trump hater) is raving about what a great night the democrats bad last night and how great the speeches and videos were. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #407   Jul 26, '16, 6:44 am Michael Mayo Regular Member   Join Date: March 7, 2012 Posts: 4,901 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows Glenn Beck (a Trump hater) is raving about what a great night the democrats bad last night and how great the speeches and videos were. Now that scares me! __________________ “Lord, I have let myself be deceived; in a thousand ways I have shunned your love, yet here I am once more, to renew my covenant with you. I need you. Save me once again, Lord, take me once more into your redeeming embrace”. - Pope Francis   #408   Jul 26, '16, 6:44 am 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe Can you be more specific on how she thinks she is like royalty? her parents see themselves as royalty and they have made sure she carries on. the photo ops when she leaves the hospital with her babies are set up to imitate the photos when Princess Diana or Kate have left the hospital with their babies. the doctors and nurses are waving, Hillary and Bill smiling. she is part of the Clinton foundation. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #409   Jul 26, '16, 6:45 am 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S I will interject.......the apple doesn't fall far from thectree(s) __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #410   Jul 26, '16, 6:48 am 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Michael Mayo Now that scares me! he is commenting on how the average viewer saw the convention. he was really impressed with the videos. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #411   Jul 26, '16, 6:49 am 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S Horse puckey! once again! __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #412   Jul 26, '16, 6:54 am queenofheartscv Regular Member   Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by jcwit Amazing that so called Catholics can support a person and party that supports abortion, amazing. Regarding the convention, why do they need a fence around it? What are they scared of? 8 foot fence outside the arena and another fence around the stage inside. Unbelievable.   #413   Jul 26, '16, 7:07 am tomarin Senior Member   Join Date: April 25, 2007 Posts: 7,538 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows Glenn Beck (a Trump hater) is raving about what a great night the democrats bad last night and how great the speeches and videos were. Odd to say the least. Has he had a change of heart or something? __________________ If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand wither, let my tongue cleave to my palate if I do not remember you -- Psalm 137   #414   Jul 26, '16, 7:09 am 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by tomarin Odd to say the least. Has he had a change of heart or something? he supported Ted Cruz. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #415   Jul 26, '16, 7:10 am 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv 8 foot fence outside the arena and another fence around the stage inside. Unbelievable. having that one around the stage was strange! __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #416   Jul 26, '16, 7:17 am Maximilan Kolbe Banned   Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows he is commenting on how the average viewer saw the convention. he was really impressed with the videos. I suspect save for perhaps Cruz's speech, and perhaps even that, the speeches themselves at both conventions get well received. It is the boos, roll call shenanigans, and the more ancillary spectacles that may not play well. None of that seemed to hurt Trump (quite the contrary), and it remains to be seen if it hurts her. Unlike Michelle Obama, Bill Clinton, and Barrack, Hillary just isn't as good a speaker. She doesn't engender warmth or likeability the way those speakers do with people, policies aside. To me, she is supported for what she represents far more than who she is, and we will see if that is enough to get her elected.   #417   Jul 26, '16, 7:22 am Adonia Banned   Join Date: November 6, 2005 Posts: 1,245 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows Glenn Beck (a Trump hater) is raving about what a great night the democrats bad last night and how great the speeches and videos were. Glenn Beck rails on against Trump, fine I understand that, but what is our alternative? Four more years of leftist Democrat rule with some Supreme Court appointments thrown in? No thanks, I'll pass on that.   #418   Jul 26, '16, 7:31 am _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior   Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,523 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows Glenn Beck (a Trump hater) is raving about what a great night the democrats bad last night and how great the speeches and videos were. Glenn Beck can think about the DNC what he likes, I haven't seen much of it myself, only seen a few very short clips and commentary, but Glenn Beck has said he will "probably vote for Gary Johnson" - https://alibertarianfuture.com/2016-....G9d5vWDK.dpbs Gary Johnson has said he sides with Bernie Sanders on 73% of issues: http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/mattv...-know-n2172078 Gary Johnson is pro-choice. Isn't Glenn Beck pro-life? I wonder if any of Glenn Beck'a radio listeners have stopped listening to his radio show after finding how his likely voting intentions. __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org   #419   Jul 26, '16, 7:32 am Jeanne S Veteran Member   Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,805 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Adonia Glenn Beck rails on against Trump, fine I understand that, but what is our alternative? Four more years of leftist Democrat rule with some Supreme Court appointments thrown in? No thanks, I'll pass on that. Ditto!   #420   Jul 26, '16, 7:49 am Robert Bay Moderator   Join Date: June 26, 2005 Posts: 32,570 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread MODERATOR REMINDER This thread is wandering. It isn't a Trump thread, it is a Democratic Party Convention General Thread __________________ Robert Bay, Moderator Forum Rules Never let evil talk pass your lips; say only the good things men need to hear, things that will really help them. (Ephesians 4:29) Moderator direction can be appealed by sending an email to: forumadmin@catholic.com     Jul 26, '16, 8:01 am CenturionSlave New Member   Join Date: September 25, 2015 Posts: 12 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread To get back on topic: I’d suggest if you take the time to watch “Hillary’s America” you’ll better understand what happened to Bernie. http://www.dineshdsouza.com/movies/hillarys-america/ ; the lie of the “big switch”; the foundation of eugenics. Same Party, Different Face.   #422   Jul 26, '16, 8:07 am estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter   Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Politifact: Democrats never mentioned terrorism on Day One of DNC Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...#ixzz4FWle2mAa Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook Hollande says France is at war with ISIS: Islamist knifemen chanting 'Allahu Akbar' behead French priest, 84, and leave nun fighting for her life after storming Mass - before police shoot them dead http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ch-church.html Nero played the fiddle while Rome burned   #423   Jul 26, '16, 8:09 am qui est ce Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter   Join Date: July 5, 2005 Posts: 13,285 Religion: Catholic Christian Latin Rite Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows her parents see themselves as royalty and they have made sure she carries on. the photo ops when she leaves the hospital with her babies are set up to imitate the photos when Princess Diana or Kate have left the hospital with their babies. the doctors and nurses are waving, Hillary and Bill smiling. she is part of the Clinton foundation. Quote: After Hillary claims the Clintons aren't 'realIy rich' Chelsea (who's married to a hedge funder, lives in a $11m home, and is paid $600,000 for doing nothing) says 'I tried to care about money but I couldn't' Chelsea Clinton said in an interview published over the weekend that she doesn't care about money Her admission comes on the heels of a report last week that she's being paid $600,000 a year to do a smattering of reports for NBC News She and her husband bought a $10.5 million apartment last spring Their 2010 wedding cost more than $3 million Chelsea has three degrees from exclusive universities and attended a private high school Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4FWloHnAe Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook Quote: She graduated from Columbia in the spring of 2010 and married Mezvinsky that summer. The high-profile wedding was held at the former home of millionaire businessman John Jacob Astor IV on 50 acres of land overlooking the Hudson River in Rhinebeck, New York. The wedding boasted 500 guests and was said to cost more than $3 million. Her custom-made Vera Wang dress cost approximately $25,000 alone. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4FWmHTiBS Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook __________________ Christine   #424   Jul 26, '16, 8:17 am Mulligan2 Regular Member   Join Date: December 31, 2012 Posts: 1,355 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Maximilan Kolbe Everyone please tag this type of post when any completely one-sided poster tries to convince you that they are neither Democrat or Republican... That claim hardly makes for honest debate. There is no shame in admitting to having a bias or preference, so I don't know why some folks pretend otherwise. It's telling that you chose to respond to my post in particular, when there are a multitude of posts on this thread by posters who never pass up an opportunity to bash Democratic politicians, no matter the thread topic. That WAS a great opening night for the Democratic Party Convention. I don't have the time to go into detail about what I liked best about each of the speeches. However, even Republicans have correctly stated that Michelle Obama's speech was a home run. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...457b3?section=   #425   Jul 26, '16, 8:20 am estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter   Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Mulligan2 It's telling that you chose to respond to my post in particular, when there are a multitude of posts on this thread by posters who never pass up an opportunity to bash Democratic politicians, no matter the thread topic. That WAS a great opening night for the Democratic Party Convention. I don't have the time to go into detail about what I liked best about each of the speeches. However, even Republicans have correctly stated that Michelle Obama's speech was a home run. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...457b3?section= So you must have hated Sanders speech which directly contradicted Michelle Obamas speech. And a convention where people are booing during the invocation can hardly be called a great start,   #426   Jul 26, '16, 8:27 am 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by qui est ce Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4FWloHnAe Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4FWmHTiBS Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook you got the picture! __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #427   Jul 26, '16, 8:30 am 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread I think Beck's point was how the democrats are unifying to win, to defeat Trump. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #428   Jul 26, '16, 8:32 am estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter   Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Sanders last night: This election is about – and must be about – the needs of the American people and the kind of future we create for our children and grandchildren. This election is about ending the 40-year decline of our middle class the reality that 47 million men, women and children live in poverty. It is about understanding that if we do not transform our economy, our younger generation will likely have a lower standard of living then their parents. This election is about ending the grotesque level of income and wealth inequality that we currently experience, the worst it has been since 1928. It is not moral, not acceptable and not sustainable that the top one-tenth of one percent now own almost as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent, or that the top 1 percent in recent years has earned 85 percent of all new income. That is unacceptable. That must change. Michelle says the country is great. I am curious as to why people are praising speeches that contradict each other?   #429   Jul 26, '16, 8:33 am tomarin Senior Member   Join Date: April 25, 2007 Posts: 7,538 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Personanongrata There was no damage to undo. Most intelligent people understood what she meant with that previous comment. Those who didn't, were just upset with them being in the White House. What did she mean by the comment? __________________ If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand wither, let my tongue cleave to my palate if I do not remember you -- Psalm 137   #430   Jul 26, '16, 8:34 am 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob Politifact: Democrats never mentioned terrorism on Day One of DNC Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...#ixzz4FWle2mAa Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook Hollande says France is at war with ISIS: Islamist knifemen chanting 'Allahu Akbar' behead French priest, 84, and leave nun fighting for her life after storming Mass - before police shoot them dead http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ch-church.html Nero played the fiddle while Rome burned they couldn't touch on anything that could put a negative light on Obama's leadership! it was all for show last night - patriotism, America is already great! all to win the power in November. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #431   Jul 26, '16, 8:35 am _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior   Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,523 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob Sanders last night: This election is about – and must be about – the needs of the American people and the kind of future we create for our children and grandchildren. This election is about ending the 40-year decline of our middle class the reality that 47 million men, women and children live in poverty. It is about understanding that if we do not transform our economy, our younger generation will likely have a lower standard of living then their parents. This election is about ending the grotesque level of income and wealth inequality that we currently experience, the worst it has been since 1928. It is not moral, not acceptable and not sustainable that the top one-tenth of one percent now own almost as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent, or that the top 1 percent in recent years has earned 85 percent of all new income. That is unacceptable. That must change. Michelle says the country is great. I am curious as to why people are praising speeches that contradict each other? As I saw someone point out similarly on Twitter, all the things that Bernie Sanders pointed out there is happening or is continuing to happen under a Democratic president who has been president for nearly 8 years! __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org   #432   Jul 26, '16, 8:39 am qui est ce Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter   Join Date: July 5, 2005 Posts: 13,285 Religion: Catholic Christian Latin Rite Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Personanongrata There was no damage to undo. Most intelligent people understood what she meant with that previous comment. Those who didn't, were just upset with them being in the White House. Because? __________________ Christine   #433   Jul 26, '16, 8:49 am queenofheartscv Regular Member   Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by qui est ce Because? I'm really surprised by the mentality that if a person is good at giving a speech written by somebody else and aided by TelePrompTer, somehow that automatically translates to ability to lead. Barrack obama first became popular through his convention speech. People still marvel at his rhetorical ability. I guess speeches are a major part of judgment for politicians but they really shouldn't be judged alone. Like many posters said, those speeches might be good standing by themsleves but people have to take into consideration whether they jive with each other, whether they make sense given current state of affairs, what they leave out, whether there are lies and hypocrisy, etc. The media will never point out democrat convention problems. So on the surface everything might look dandy but reality may be very different.   #434   Jul 26, '16, 8:50 am gilliam Forum Elder   Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Could tonight's roll call get raucous? What to watch for on Day 2 of the Democratic Convention: http://abcn.ws/2a2eZCT __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #435   Jul 26, '16, 8:54 am qui est ce Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter   Join Date: July 5, 2005 Posts: 13,285 Religion: Catholic Christian Latin Rite Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by tomarin What did she mean by the comment? Guess you and I are not a part of the "most intelligent people [who] understand that comment." __________________ Christine   Jul 26, '16, 8:54 am tomarin Senior Member   Join Date: April 25, 2007 Posts: 7,538 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia As I saw someone point out similarly on Twitter, all the things that Bernie Sanders pointed out there is happening or is continuing to happen under a Democratic president who has been president for nearly 8 years! And a fairly left-wing Democrat at that. __________________ If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand wither, let my tongue cleave to my palate if I do not remember you -- Psalm 137   #437   Jul 26, '16, 9:03 am meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob Sanders last night: This election is about – and must be about – the needs of the American people and the kind of future we create for our children and grandchildren. This election is about ending the 40-year decline of our middle class the reality that 47 million men, women and children live in poverty. It is about understanding that if we do not transform our economy, our younger generation will likely have a lower standard of living then their parents. This election is about ending the grotesque level of income and wealth inequality that we currently experience, the worst it has been since 1928. It is not moral, not acceptable and not sustainable that the top one-tenth of one percent now own almost as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent, or that the top 1 percent in recent years has earned 85 percent of all new income. That is unacceptable. That must change. Michelle says the country is great. I am curious as to why people are praising speeches that contradict each other? The implication of these words by Sanders is that neither the GOP nor the Democrats, including Obama, have done much to curb the steady decline of economic prosperity and the rise of poverty from one generation to the next, although he does go on to give Obama some credit for averting the disastrous consequences of the 2008 economic depression. All in all, however, it is apparent that Sanders does NOT believe our country is so great from the economic standpoint. Neither he nor others touched foreign-policy matters yet: hopefully some speakers will get to that mess in the remaining days of the convention. It is rather obvious why Michelle Obama paints a rather different picture of America, and, I would think, so will Hillary Clinton.   #438   Jul 26, '16, 9:05 am qui est ce Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter   Join Date: July 5, 2005 Posts: 13,285 Religion: Catholic Christian Latin Rite Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Personanongrata There was no damage to undo. Most intelligent people understood what she meant with that previous comment. Those who didn't, were just upset with them being in the White House. Quote: Originally Posted by qui est ce Because? Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv I'm really surprised by the mentality that if a person is good at giving a speech written by somebody else and aided by TelePrompTer, somehow that automatically translates to ability to lead. Barrack obama first became popular through his convention speech. People still marvel at his rhetorical ability. I guess speeches are a major part of judgment for politicians but they really shouldn't be judged alone. Like many posters said, those speeches might be good standing by themsleves but people have to take into consideration whether they jive with each other, whether they make sense given current state of affairs, what they leave out, whether there are lies and hypocrisy, etc. The media will never point out democrat convention problems. So on the surface everything might look dandy but reality may be very different. I'd like to know why Personnanongrata believes that people don't understand the remark because they are "upset" by the Obamas being in the WH. Because I don't like Obama's policies, I have been told that I don't like the Obamas and that I'm racist. I dislike having to defend myself by by using the cliche that some of my best friends/politicians/judges/etc. are black. __________________ Christine   #439   Jul 26, '16, 9:06 am estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter   Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy The implication of these words by Sanders is that neither the GOP nor the Democrats, including Obama, has done much to curb the steady decline of economic prosperity and the rise of poverty from one generation to the next, although he does go on to give Obama some credit for averting the disastrous consequences of the 2008 economic depression. All in all, however, it is apparent that Sanders does NOT believe our country is so great from the economic standpoint. Neither he nor others touched foreign-policy matters yet: hopefully some speakers will get to that mess in the remaining days of the convention. Well see it any utter the words "Islamist terrorist"   #440   Jul 26, '16, 9:06 am jcwit Banned   Join Date: November 13, 2015 Posts: 139 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread You need a picture ID to get into the convention hall, but you need NO picture ID to vote??????????????? Somewhere I lost their logic there!   #441   Jul 26, '16, 9:07 am estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter   Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by qui est ce I'd like to know why Personnanongrata believes that people don't understand the remark because they are "upset" by the Obamas being in the WH. Because I don't like Obama's policies, I have been told that I don't like the Obamas and that I'm racist. I dislike having to defend myself by by using the cliche that some of my best friends/politicians/judges/etc. are black. Playing the race card is so common on the left that the word racism has lost all its meaning. People just roll their eyes when they see it used.   #442   Jul 26, '16, 9:08 am estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter   Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by jcwit You need a picture ID to get into the convention hall, but you need NO picture ID to vote??????????????? Somewhere I lost their logic there! They also built an 8 foot tall wall around the convention center. Do as we say, not as we do   #443   Jul 26, '16, 9:09 am queenofheartscv Regular Member   Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob Playing the race card is so common on the left that the word racism has lost all its meaning. People just roll their eyes when they see it used. Didn't the DNC want to use Bernie sander's Jewishness or atheism against him, courtesy of Wikileaks? That right there is real racism.   #444   Jul 26, '16, 9:16 am meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Didn't the DNC want to use Bernie sander's Jewishness or atheism against him, courtesy of Wikileaks? That right there is real racism. Yes, they did, as if one cannot be an atheistic or cultural Jew. The paranoid side of me, which is attentive to anti-Semitism in its more subtle forms, also realizes that Debbie Wasserman Schultz was the first Jewish Chairperson of the DNC and the object of much ridicule.   #445   Jul 26, '16, 9:23 am Ridgerunner Forum Elder   Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,710 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Yes, they did, as if one cannot be an atheistic or cultural Jew. The paranoid side of me, which is attentive to anti-Semitism in its more subtle forms, also realizes that Debbie Wasserman Schultz was the first Jewish Chairperson of the DNC and the object of much ridicule. But was she before the Wikileaks revelations? Never did I hear any mention of her being Jewish as a critique.   #446   Jul 26, '16, 9:31 am estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter   Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread DNC Convention 2016: Soviet Flags, Palestinian Flag – BUT NO US FLAGS http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016...g-no-us-flags/   #447   Jul 26, '16, 9:32 am gilliam Forum Elder   Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Michelle Obama is right - the White House was indeed built by slaves starting in 1792. http://abcn.ws/2anJCFN __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #448   Jul 26, '16, 9:36 am gilliam Forum Elder   Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Second report of disunity inside the TX delegation Texas delegation breakfast gets heated with a shouting match including calls to 'grow up!' http://apne.ws/2anLsGH __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #449   Jul 26, '16, 9:36 am Mulligan2 Regular Member   Join Date: December 31, 2012 Posts: 1,355 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob So you must have hated Sanders speech which directly contradicted Michelle Obamas speech. And a convention where people are booing during the invocation can hardly be called a great start, Here's what I like: the fact that the Democratic primary can be fiercely contested, but that it is contested primarily on ideas - not on personal attacks. I like the fact that Senator Sanders, while no doubt disappointed with the outcome of the primary, forcefully endorsed Hillary Clinton for POTUS. This is a stark contrast to the GOP primary, where the runner-up refused to endorse the nominee and urged everyone to vote their conscience instead.   #450   Jul 26, '16, 9:38 am gilliam Forum Elder   Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Mulligan2 Here's what I like: the fact that the Democratic primary can be fiercely contested, but that it is contested primarily on ideas - not on personal attacks. I like the fact that Senator Sanders, while no doubt disappointed with the outcome of the primary, forcefully endorsed Hillary Clinton for POTUS. That is how primaries normally are with both parties in the US. Everything is decided by the party bosses off stage and prior to the convention. Quote: This is a stark contrast to the GOP primary, where the runner-up refused to endorse the nominee and urged everyone to vote their conscience instead. However the convention rejected that idea and he was boo'd off stage. __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology