Re: Hillary Clinton has 81% chance of defeating Trump, Nate Silver predicts
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Re: Hillary Clinton has 81% chance of defeating Trump, Nate Silver predicts
Nate is automatically right. It's not like he said Clinton has a 100%
chance of winning. If Trump wins, Nate can still claim he wasn't wrong
because he's got 19% leeway.
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Re: Hillary Clinton has 81% chance of defeating Trump, Nate Silver predicts
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Nate is automatically right. It's not
like he said Clinton has a 100% chance of winning. If Trump wins, Nate
can still claim he wasn't wrong because he's got 19% leeway.
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Huh? Good try!
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Re: Hillary Clinton has 81% chance of defeating Trump, Nate Silver predicts
I followed baseball and Nate Silver did some interesting work there as
well, but I always felt that the statistical model he uses is one where
his thumbs a bit on the scale (after all, there were points where Obama
should have had a 100% chance of winning in 2008 and Silver still had it
less than 100%. So, I take his work with a grain of salt.
That said, Clinton is in a very strong position, even a stronger one
than Obama was in in either 2008 or 2012. With a good 'get out the vote'
effort, Clinton will win. Quinnipiac's national data is an outlier in
favor of Trump and this suggests that the 'toss-up' states are in better
shape than their polling shows. PPP recently put out data that has
Clinton winning every state (Arizona is not toss-up or at least
shouldn't be). This one could be 350-190 for Clinton, which is amazing
given that she is a flawed candidate.
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Re: Hillary Clinton has 81% chance of defeating Trump, Nate Silver predicts
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Huh? Good try!
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Even I think at this stage in the game the electorals stack up
easier for Clinton than for Trump. However, I'd hardly call Nate's
predictions a true prediction of what's going to happen. He's not being
bold at all in his commentary. Someone should ask him point blank: who will win in November? Anyone can tell at this stage of the election that Clinton is leading.
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Re: Hillary Clinton has 81% chance of defeating Trump, Nate Silver predicts
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In 2008 Nate Silver successfully called
the outcomes of 49 out of 50 states in the general election. In 2012 he
successfully called all 50.
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Trump could very well be a Black Swan for Silver. He is inexplicable.
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Re: Hillary Clinton has 81% chance of defeating Trump, Nate Silver predicts
If Hilary gets into office, America is as good as dead. She's a liar, a criminal and belongs in jail!
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Re: Hillary Clinton has 81% chance of defeating Trump, Nate Silver predicts
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He is extremely accurate. But this makes
me nervous because the Republicans can see the same data. I wouldn't be
surprised if they replace Trump at the convention.
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They'd better dump him. We can't let either of them win the White House.
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Re: Hillary Clinton has 81% chance of defeating Trump, Nate Silver predicts
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Please explain.
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Per post #4, 5% was the chance Nate Silver gave of Donald Trump winning the Republican nomination.
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Re: Hillary Clinton has 81% chance of defeating Trump, Nate Silver predicts
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In 2008 Nate Silver successfully called
the outcomes of 49 out of 50 states in the general election. In 2012 he
successfully called all 50.
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Did he make those predictions in June of those years too, or much
closer to the actual election? I think polls this far out are
essentially useless for predicting the winner on election day.
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Re: Hillary Clinton has 81% chance of defeating Trump, Nate Silver predicts
Donald Trump got an unprecedented amount of free press during a primary
with an unprecedented number of candidates. Even in an ordinary primary,
it's very difficult to predict who is going to win early on.
Anyone who said Donald Trump was a shew-in was guessing and got lucky.
A two person race is much easier to predict.
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Re: Hillary Clinton has 81% chance of defeating Trump, Nate Silver predicts
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He is extremely accurate. But this makes
me nervous because the Republicans can see the same data. I wouldn't be
surprised if they replace Trump at the convention.
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I think that would not only guarantee a loss, but a dismantling of the party for them.
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Re: Hillary Clinton has 81% chance of defeating Trump, Nate Silver predicts
And choice two is Cruz at the convention. 
The odds anyone else is even a remote thought doesn't seem realistic.
That ought to chew up a good amount of that cash Hillary stockpiled
resetting.
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Re: Hillary Clinton has 81% chance of defeating Trump, Nate Silver predicts
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Did he make those predictions in June of
those years too, or much closer to the actual election? I think polls
this far out are essentially useless for predicting the winner on
election day.
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He updates his predictions as time goes on. The uncertainty in the
data is partly why Trump is given such a relatively high chance. If
Hillary were to be 7 points ahead in late October, then Trump wouldn't
be a one in five chance to turn it around.
Silver's final predictions will come in the last couple of days of the
campaign, and likely to be much more confident about who will win.
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Re: Hillary Clinton has 81% chance of defeating Trump, Nate Silver predicts
Both sides have reasons to be nervous this far out. This is likely to be
a unique election and probably the only one that someone as unlikable
as Hillary can have a chance at winning.
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Re: Hillary Clinton has 81% chance of defeating Trump, Nate Silver predicts
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He is extremely accurate. But this makes
me nervous because the Republicans can see the same data. I wouldn't be
surprised if they replace Trump at the convention.
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I don't find that a strong possibility.
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Re: Hillary Clinton has 81% chance of defeating Trump, Nate Silver predicts
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If Hilary gets into office, America is as good as dead. She's a liar, a criminal and belongs in jail!
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neither Bill nor Hillary deserve to be back in the White House.
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Re: Hillary Clinton has 81% chance of defeating Trump, Nate Silver predicts
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neither Bill nor Hillary deserve to be back in the White House.
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What about Donald Trump? Does he deserve to be in the White House?
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Re: Hillary Clinton has 81% chance of defeating Trump, Nate Silver predicts
It seems a couple of centrist-populist parties should emerge to pick
apart the two major ones on issues, I wonder why this hasn't happened
yet.
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Re: Hillary Clinton has 81% chance of defeating Trump, Nate Silver predicts
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What about Donald Trump? Does he deserve to be in the White House?
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I would say that as individuals, neither one of them deserves to
be in the White House. They are both morally flawed individuals.
However, I view Trump as a lessor evil. Not much of a lessor evil, but
lessor nonetheless.
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Re: Hillary Clinton has 81% chance of defeating Trump, Nate Silver predicts
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What about Donald Trump? Does he deserve to be in the White House?
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more so than Bill and Hillary.
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Re: Hillary Clinton has 81% chance of defeating Trump, Nate Silver predicts
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It seems a couple of centrist-populist
parties should emerge to pick apart the two major ones on issues, I
wonder why this hasn't happened yet.
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3rd parties have to fight tooth and nail to get on the ballot at the local levels. Check this article out:
http://www.tennessean.com/story/news...ties/29638071/
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ruling that the state's law governing which political parties may have
candidates on the ballot "imposes a greater burden" on third parties.
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit, a court at a judicial
level below only the U.S. Supreme Court, ruled Thursday that Tennessee's
requirements for "minor" parties such as the Green Party or
Constitution Party violate the equal protection clause of the 14th
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Re: Hillary Clinton has 81% chance of defeating Trump, Nate Silver predicts
Silver wasn't just wrong about Trump in the beginning, he stayed wrong
about Trump well into the actual primary season. I would take this one
with a grain of salt.
That said, it's the swing states that are key. Trump must take most if not all of them to have a chance.
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Re: Hillary Clinton has 81% chance of defeating Trump, Nate Silver predicts
With a good number of Sanders's supporters pledging to not vote for Clinton, this prediction could be off.
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Re: Hillary Clinton has 81% chance of defeating Trump, Nate Silver predicts
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With a good number of Sanders's supporters pledging to not vote for Clinton, this prediction could be off.
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I think this will be driven by future FBI revelations, that will turn them to the Green Party or keep them home.
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Hillary Clinton's emails packed with America's
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I'm confused. Is the article saying they recovered 30,000 emails
that Hillary deleted? And that the emails she deleted were classified?
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Hillary Clinton's emails packed with America's
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These two IT companies were not meant to handle sensitive government
information, and didn't know they were. The sensitive info got out of
the system it was in, and got it into Platte River's and Datto's
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Re: Hillary Clinton has 81% chance of defeating Trump, Nate Silver predicts
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Silver wasn't just wrong about Trump in
the beginning, he stayed wrong about Trump well into the actual primary
season. I would take this one with a grain of salt.
That said, it's the swing states that are key. Trump must take most if not all of them to have a chance.
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The most recent polls show Hillary Clinton leading by 4-17 percent
in all of the battleground states. I don't think that Trump has much of
a chance of becoming President. Trump can't even win over members of
his own party, let alone unaffiliated women and minorities. It's shaping
up to be a landslide that will win the presidency for the Democrats,
most likely a majority in the Senate, and possibly a House majority,
although that is a more remote possibility with the gerrymandering in
Republican-controlled states. At the very least, it seems that there
will be a lot of Clinton-appointed judges from the Supreme court on
down.
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Re: Hillary Clinton has 81% chance of defeating Trump, Nate Silver predicts
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With a good number of Sanders's supporters pledging to not vote for Clinton, this prediction could be off.
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The number of Sander's supporters who say they will not vote for
Hillary is around 10% now. He hasn't done much to help her at this
point, so that's not that bad.
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Re: Hillary Clinton has 81% chance of defeating Trump, Nate Silver predicts
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What about Donald Trump? Does he deserve to be in the White House?
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He most certainly does not.
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Re: Hillary Clinton has 81% chance of defeating Trump, Nate Silver predicts
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The number of Sander's supporters who say
they will not vote for Hillary is around 10% now. He hasn't done much
to help her at this point, so that's not that bad.
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Its actually better than the percentage of Clinton supporters that said they supported Obama prior to the convention in '08.
Its still pretty early for both parties. I think the Dems will pull
together behind Hillary. Trump will have more of a challenge getting the
GOP to line up behind him, IMO, but there are plenty of partisans out
there that only care about the (R) behind his name. The election will
likely be closer than current polls suggest, but its certainly true that
Hillary has the advantage at this point.
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Hillary Clinton's emails packed with America's
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It is just a really good idea when getting and sending Top Secret
emails, to follow security procedures. The government felt strongly
enough to make it against the law to have your own unsecured email
server.
Rules and laws don't apply to super powerful politicians though so I
guess Hilary and others will be just fine. Along with the Chinese,
Russians, North Koreans and anybody else with a computer who wants to
see American "secrets."
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Re: Hillary Clinton has 81% chance of defeating Trump, Nate Silver predicts
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Its actually better than the percentage of Clinton supporters that said they supported Obama prior to the convention in '08.
Its still pretty early for both parties. I think the Dems will pull
together behind Hillary. Trump will have more of a challenge getting the
GOP to line up behind him, IMO, but there are plenty of partisans out
there that only care about the (R) behind his name. The election will
likely be closer than current polls suggest, but its certainly true that
Hillary has the advantage at this point.
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More and more Republicans are coming out against Trump. Trump,
himself, said he was fighting on two fronts. That can't bode well.
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Re: Hillary Clinton has 81% chance of defeating Trump, Nate Silver predicts
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Silver wasn't just wrong about Trump in
the beginning, he stayed wrong about Trump well into the actual primary
season. I would take this one with a grain of salt.
That said, it's the swing states that are key. Trump must take most if not all of them to have a chance.
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It's been like that for a while. The working assumption is that
Democrats start with 240 electoral votes because they dominate New York
and the rest of the Acela corridor, California, the Rust Belt. If
Republicans had nominated Bush, or any of the other established
candidates, that would likely be the position we'd be in now. With
Trump, however, he's more of a wildcard in that he could put some states
in play haven't been in play for a while. Couple that with how truly
dreadful a candidate Clinton is and I think this could be a very
interesting election.
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I'm sorry but I fear that Clinton will be the next USA president.
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Hillary Clinton's emails packed with America's
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It is just a really good idea when
getting and sending Top Secret emails, to follow security procedures.
The government felt strongly enough to make it against the law to have
your own unsecured email server.
Rules and laws don't apply to super powerful politicians though so I
guess Hilary and others will be just fine. Along with the Chinese,
Russians, North Koreans and anybody else with a computer who wants to
see American "secrets."
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That she is even the presumptive nominee in spite of all her
corrupt and egregious actions is just as much an ndictment on those who
support her .God help us all.I pray we get the leader we need not the
one we deserve. 
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I'm sorry but I fear that Clinton will be the next USA president.
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if that happens, I will have to move to a country which doesn't
force tax payers to pay for abortion and actually cares about preventing
terrorist attacks. Hilary would love to just continue open borders AND
is for more and more gun control (the only control I am for is a
firearms safety class for first time users, that's about it.)
She belongs behind bars - she compromised the security of the nation.
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God help us if she gets elected.
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Hillary Clinton's emails packed with America's
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I think they need to go back further into Hillarys past and see what
else she has released and to whom, I know for a fact back in the early
90s, after Lawrence Rockefeller bugged her too many times, she
eventually agreed to meet with him, Ive seen pictures of the two of them
strolling around his ranch, she had an arm load of file folders, I cant
believe she caved to Rockefellers requests and no one back then ever
said a word about it???
My opinion, if she gave in for him, its very likely she gave in to other requests, or was negligent with keeping stuff secret.
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Hillary Clinton's emails packed with America's
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It's ludicrous that anyone with such damning evidence against them,
Democrat or Republican, could be allowed to run. In the case of Hillary,
she was not some newbie politician, and should certainly have known
better, which to me makes her even more culpable than an inexperienced
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if that happens, I will have to move to a
country which doesn't force tax payers to pay for abortion and actually
cares about preventing terrorist attacks. Hilary would love to just
continue open borders AND is for more and more gun control (the only
control I am for is a firearms safety class for first time users, that's
about it.)
She belongs behind bars - she compromised the security of the nation.
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You already DO live in such a country.
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Hillary Clinton's emails packed with America's
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It's ludicrous that anyone with such
damning evidence against them, Democrat or Republican, could be allowed
to run. In the case of Hillary, she was not some newbie politician, and
should certainly have known better, which to me makes her even more
culpable than an inexperienced state "employee".
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None of this matters. She is a Democrat and that party will vote
for her. The fact that she has been surrounded by scandals and
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I have no intention of listening to even
one second of the convention,heard it four years ago,seriously doubt the
message has changed. Dorothy Day,who instituted the Catholic Worker
program,was all about social justice and tending to the needs of the
underserved.She was also ardently prolife anti abortion.You seem to
think the two are mutually exclusive.Maybe they are for thevproaborts
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I would say that most holy people of God
are feeding the hungry, giving the thirsty something to drink, caring
for the stranger and inviting them in, clothing those who need clothes,
healing the sick and visiting those in prison - all the things that are
Biblically commanded by Christ for us to do.
We have a huge charge in all these things, with the living people in front of us.
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Somehow, I don't think that involves taking credit for what other
people do by pulling the lever for liberal, anti-Christian politicians
every 2-4 years amidst excuses to support worldly secular desires.
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Somehow, I don't think that involves
taking credit for what other people do by pulling the lever for liberal,
anti-Christian politicians every 2-4 years amidst excuses to support
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That's a bit uncalled for. Especially since ComplineSanFran gave
examples of people out in the streets doing the work of our Lord who
also might be voting for liberals.
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That certainly is your prerogitive,however I will take a pass
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I think it is always good to hear both sides of the story and to
understand why people believe and act the way they do. We are a country
of many peoples and we have to live with each other. If we can't
understand differing belief systems (religiously as well as socially),
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I think it is always good to hear both
sides of the story and to understand why people believe and act the way
they do. We are a country of many peoples and we have to live with each
other. If we can't understand differing belief systems (religiously as
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I have heard it already,I don't need the earache,quite honestly.
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Somehow, I don't think that involves
taking credit for what other people do by pulling the lever for liberal,
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Sorry, but I was referring to people who actually DO this work. Were you thinking of someone else?
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Sy Noe;14063870]That's a bit uncalled for.
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No, it isn't. More often than not, liberals are only interested in
giving away OTHER people's money, not their own possessions. Jesus
taught self-sacrifice, not using the government to take from others
wastefully. That is just terrible stewardship.
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Especially since ComplineSanFran gave examples of people out in the
streets doing the work of our Lord who also might be voting for
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I don't consider deficit spending where some crumbs go to the poor
in order to keep them in line so they vote liberals into power who are
desperate to have meaning in their careers as "doing the Lord's work".
That would be more along the lines of scandal.
Many of those folks are not giving of their own but of the taxpayers.
Not exactly what Jesus meant when he said to give to the poor.
In fact, conservatives give to charity 4x as much as liberals do, despite making less money.
This too often is a charade. It's nothing more than excuse after excuse
to justify voting for an anti-Christian party like the Democrats.
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Sorry, but I was referring to people who actually DO this work. Were you thinking of someone else?
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I just don't see very many people volunteering in the trenches (no
doubt the image that's trying to be conveyed here) to do this work
outside of clergy. Much of it has been institutionalized under the
government, which is another reason why so many people are so poor.
I'm really not impressed by all these liberals supposedly reaching out to help the poor.
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I just don't see very many people
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Well, that's not been my experience. I see it on a daily basis.
Lay people. Volunteers. People in the streets. They're doing what the
Gospel commands us to do.
My mind just flashed on Jimmy Carter (a particular hero of mine), as a
91 year old man with cancer out building houses with Habitat for
Humanity. For the less fortunate. Because his faith calls him to do this
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Well, that's not been my experience. I
see it on a daily basis. Lay people. Volunteers. People in the streets.
They're doing what the Gospel commands us to do.
My mind just flashed on Jimmy Carter (a particular hero of mine), as a
91 year old man with cancer out building houses with Habitat for
Humanity. For the less fortunate. Because his faith calls him to do this
work. That's the kind of Christian liberal I want to emulate.
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You've been posting here over a year now. Surely by now you have
figured out that liberals are all pure evil people that do no work and
are only interested in stealing money from the good hearted
conservatives? Don't try to confuse us by relating your actual lived
experience--you are in danger of popping the walls of the bubble!
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You've been posting here over a year now.
Surely by now you have figured out that liberals are all pure evil
people that do no work and are only interested in stealing money from
the good hearted conservatives? Don't try to confuse us by relating your
actual lived experience--you are in danger of popping the walls of the
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Ha! Thanks, TMC. I'll try and remember not to confuse people next time.
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You've been posting here over a year now.
Surely by now you have figured out that liberals are all pure evil
people that do no work and are only interested in stealing money from
the good hearted conservatives? Don't try to confuse us by relating your
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I think it is always good to hear both
sides of the story and to understand why people believe and act the way
they do. We are a country of many peoples and we have to live with each
other. If we can't understand differing belief systems (religiously as
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There are two sides to every issue. When it comes to abortion,
there is (a) killing unborn babies or (b) not killing unborn babies. I
made up my mind on that a long time ago.
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016...document-dump/
According to this blog, this list of emails were compiled by both Sanders and Trump supporters.
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I believe that for Hillary and the
'pro-choice crowd', there is no doubt that the first priority is to feed
the hungry person in front of you. A pregnant woman, if she is hungry,
give her food. If she needs to make a decision about her pregnancy, give
her resources to do that.
I know we disagree but I just want to clarify this point: the person in front of you who is in need takes top priority.
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I believe that for Hillary and the
'pro-choice crowd', there is no doubt that the first priority is to feed
the hungry person in front of you. A pregnant woman, if she is hungry,
give her food. If she needs to make a decision about her pregnancy, give
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Clever wording 'Make a decision about her pregnancy', what if I changed it to 'Make a decision about her 2 year old son'? giver her resources to do that?
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I know we disagree but I just want to clarify this point: the person in front of you who is in need takes top priority.
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The problem is, when dealing with a pregnant woman, there are two people right in front of you, one is given a loaf of bread, the other........ death.
Whilever the child in the mothers womb is viewed as subhuman and killed
indiscriminately, not only are 'resources provided' (as you say), but
actively encouraged as 'the better option' for themselves and society,
whilever the child cannot 'agree to disagree' on this issue, I will
never agree to disagree on this issue.
"For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world."
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"Hillary Clinton hails SCOTUS ruling as win for 'safe, legal' abortion:
Signalling an important shift, presumptive Democratic nominee drops 'rare' from description of abortions"
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For those who support a woman's right to choose, Clinton's omission of
that one word, "rare," on Monday helps further destigmatize abortion as a
human right; for those opposed to abortion, it demonstrates an
increasing disregard for the rights of fetuses . . .
The problem was that anyone seeking to de-legitimize abortions
interpreted "rare" as an ideal to be legislated, giving them reason to
place extraordinary restrictions on access . . .
Carol Tobias, with the National Right to Life Committee in Washington,
interprets Clinton's latest statement as an increasingly disturbing
shift away from more centrist principles. "Hillary Clinton has dropped
the 'rare' … sometime within the last year in the presidential campaign.
Hopefully at some point people will ask her, is there any time during a
pregnancy in which there is any reason that she thinks that an abortion
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/hillary...tion-1.3655360
I had to read about this . . . in the Canadian news. 
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I believe that for Hillary and the
'pro-choice crowd', there is no doubt that the first priority is to feed
the hungry person in front of you. A pregnant woman, if she is hungry,
give her food. If she needs to make a decision about her pregnancy, give
her resources to do that.
I know we disagree but I just want to clarify this point: the person in front of you who is in need takes top priority.
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But that same woman, 15 or 16 or 21 years before, still inside her mother, warrants no such care, even though she exists, even after the point when she is capable of feeling the pain of being aborted.
Because she is not "in front of us"? How random, how arbitrary. What an
absence of logic--to imply that caring for those before us is undermined
when we also care for those not before us.
This is called rationalizing, and I'm sure it was used frequently as an
answer to the anti-slavery crowd. "Maybe your religion teaches that
slaves are persons, but others don't. Just care for the people who are
actually right in front of you."
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Sorry, but I was referring to people who actually DO this work. Were you thinking of someone else?
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Don't be sorry. Post #459 was clear as can be as to the people you were referring to.
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I remember that Pres. Reagan and House
Speaker Tip O'Neill used to fight ferociously on the job but they were
good golf buddies after working hours.
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This is myth meant to convey some fictional past. Their
relationship consisted of Tip denigrating the President and calling him
virtually every name under the son, and Reagan brushing off his attacks.
Meanwhile Tip violated almost every single agreement/compromise that he
made with Reagan. They didn't really have much of a social
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I believe that for Hillary and the
'pro-choice crowd', there is no doubt that the first priority is to feed
the hungry person in front of you. A pregnant woman, if she is hungry,
give her food. If she needs to make a decision about her pregnancy, give
her resources to do that.
I know we disagree but I just want to clarify this point: the person in front of you who is in need takes top priority.
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The child in the womb IS in front of you.
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Well, that's not been my experience. I
see it on a daily basis. Lay people. Volunteers. People in the streets.
They're doing what the Gospel commands us to do.
My mind just flashed on Jimmy Carter (a particular hero of mine), as a
91 year old man with cancer out building houses with Habitat for
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work. That's the kind of Christian liberal I want to emulate.
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Sorry, but I was referring to people who actually DO this work. Were you thinking of someone else?
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Of course anecdotal evidence proves nothing but i am involved in a
ministry that helps homeless alcoholics. We have people from every end
of the political spectrum helping out but our funding comes almost
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A little premature perhaps.
A Worry if Hillary Clinton Wins: What to Do With Bill
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If Hillary Clinton wins the presidency, Bill Clinton
will not become a regular at cabinet meetings, his wife’s advisers say.
He will not be invited into the Situation Room. He will step away from
his family’s foundation work and may not even have an office in the West
Wing, given the undesirable optics of a former president and husband
looking over the shoulder of the first female commander in chief.
But the steps Clinton aides are planning to shape his new life do little
to address a potentially thornier problem: Historically, when Mr.
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I have worried about this from the beginning!
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I think it is always good to hear both
sides of the story and to understand why people believe and act the way
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And that's the problem with the HHS mandate and the Obama
administration. They have no tolerance for people who disagree with them
on abortion and birth control. The ACLU is suing to force Catholic
hospitals to perform abortions.
Hillary said “... deep-seated cultural codes, religious beliefs and structural biases have to be changed. "
I find this statement very troubling.
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I remember that Pres. Reagan and House
Speaker Tip O'Neill used to fight ferociously on the job but they were
good golf buddies after working hours.
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You sure about the golfing buddies thing?
As far as I can find out, Reagan rarely played golf.
9 Ronald Reagan Didn't play often or well (best was low 90s).
Reagan DID enjoy riding horses, but that might have been a carryover
from his first military stint ... when we was in the horse cavalry prior
to WW2.
Doubt that O'Neill cared much about horses.
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Bill Clinton rape accuser: Hillary 'tried to silence' me
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A woman who publicly accused former President Clinton of raping her in 1978 is resurrecting her claims on social media.
“I was 35 years old when Bill Clinton, Ark. Attorney General raped me,” Juanita Broaddrick tweeted Wednesday.
“Hillary tried to silence me,” she wrote of Bill Clinton’s wife, who is
the current Democratic presidential front-runner in the 2016 race. “I am
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Will CNN or MSNBC investigate or question Mrs. Clinton about this?
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Hillary Clinton is 0-for-2016, having failed to hold any full press
conferences this year — fueling the perception that she is the most
guarded major candidate in recent political history, in stark contrast
with presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump.
Mr. Trump has held at least four full, formal press conferences this
year, including one Tuesday, and has fielded questions at length from
the flock of reporters covering his campaign on numerous occasions.
Mrs. Clinton took questions from the press traveling with her campaign
once, in Minnesota in March, but hasn’t held an organized press
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Hillary Clinton hasn't held a press conference for seven months (i.e.,
all of 2016; I had to learn about that . . . on the Canadian News last
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Black Activists Oppose Clinton, Police in Philadelphia DNC March
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PHILADELPHIA – Several hundred people marched for hours on Tuesday to
oppose police killings of black people, as well as Democratic
presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.
"Don't vote for Hillary, she's killing black people!" participants of
the Black DNC Resistance March chanted as they reached their
destination, Philadelphia's City Hall, about four miles north of the
main Democratic National Convention venue.
The apparently figurative language of that increasingly loud chant was not fully explained.
Other chants featured more vulgarity: "Move b--ch, get out the way!" the
group demanded earlier, using the lyrics of a popular song by rapper
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California governor: Clinton should be worried
PHILADELPHIA — California Gov. Jerry Brown (D) says the presidential
election is looking “very uncertain,” and Hillary Clinton should be
worried.
Brown, who arrived in Philadelphia on Tuesday, said recent polls show
the race between Clinton and Donald Trump, the GOP presidential nominee,
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California governor: Clinton should be worried
PHILADELPHIA — California Gov. Jerry Brown (D) says the presidential
election is looking “very uncertain,” and Hillary Clinton should be
worried.
Brown, who arrived in Philadelphia on Tuesday, said recent polls show
the race between Clinton and Donald Trump, the GOP presidential nominee,
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I don't see how anyone can have any respect for the democrat party after this convention.
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and tried to take his gun and shoot him on stage. What was glaringly
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They actually had the mother of a thug
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stage. What was glaringly missing was any respect or mention of the
policemen was assassinated protecting protesters who were demonizing
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Also no mention that shooting deaths of police officers are up 78%
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No. Imagine you are a cop. What are you to think about Hillary being your President?
Or you're the wife or child of a cop. Or anybody, black or white, who
sees urban crime as one of the biggest threats to you. Will it really
feel like she's your President?
It will feel like it's felt to many Americans having Obama as President.
He doesn't act like he's everybody's President. Whether or not he loves
America, he really doesn't like a lot of Americans.
And she, who announced that the enemies she's most proud of making were Republicans, isn't likely to behave as America's President any more than the current one has.
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Clinton campaigns move to force Trump super-PAC ad off TV
PHILADELPHIA — Hillary Clinton’s campaign is pressuring TV stations
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I don't see how anyone can have any respect for the democrat party after this convention.
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It won't matter to the die-hard liberals.
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Clinton excuses her change of mind about TPP by critiquing the
wording of the final version. Of course, if she becomes president, she
will likely change three words and declare it "perfect for the country"
if, of course, Bill Clinton receives a large speaking fee from the
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That's one of the troubles Democrats should have with Hillary Clinton.
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Crime is down overall. Police shootings are up however.
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Clinton excuses her change of mind about
TPP by critiquing the wording of the final version. Of course, if she
becomes president, she will likely change three words and declare it
"perfect for the country" if, of course, Bill Clinton receives a large
speaking fee from the countries or companies who have an interest in it.
That's one of the troubles Democrats should have with Hillary Clinton.
No matter what she says now or ever, her decisions can and probably will
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It's kind of scary when the Democrat is likely to have the better
position on trade than the republican. Although, the democrat will have
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Crime is down overall. Police shootings are up however.
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It's kind of scary when the Democrat is
likely to have the better position on trade than the republican.
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That's what I thought, too. She's actually more 'conservative' on
trade and foreign policy than he is. He is taking the party in a
direction that is isolationist and protectionist, as if the past seven
decades never happened. It's the biggest political realignment of my
lifetime, that's for sure.
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And that's the problem with the HHS
mandate and the Obama administration. They have no tolerance for people
who disagree with them on abortion and birth control.
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They offered a compromise. Under the compromise, religious
employers could have certified they are opting out of the requirement by
signing a form and submitting it to the government. The government
would have then asked insurers to pay the cost of contraceptives.
The SCOTUS actually declined to decide whether the accommodation
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the contraception coverage even if they are not paying for it.
Stay tuned.
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I think it is always good to hear both
sides of the story and to understand why people believe and act the way
they do. We are a country of many peoples and we have to live with each
other. If we can't understand differing belief systems (religiously as
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same way. That's simply the truth. Yet we do nevertheless need to
coexist. And by seeing that there are in fact differing views, I
believe, can be a start in helping humankind to do a better job at that.
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The Clinton camp pulls ads in the important swing state of Colorado after building a sizeable, durable lead there.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/swing-...ado-ads-226131
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People here regularly dismiss anything
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Not really,since we as a country have the liberal agenda shoved
down our throats twenty four seven.The party of tolerance,is really most
intolerant of any view that goes against them.So it is all fine and
dandy to spout feel good platitudes ,yet actions are what count and with
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People here regularly dismiss anything
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Not at all. That is a false assumption.
I seldom see something being rejected without being read because it
comes from the New York Times or Huffington Post. Try to come up with
any similar terms for left wing MSM journals such as what is daily fare
here, such as FAUX News, or the Daily Heil.
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I watched Donald Trump's in full. And I will watch some of the ones at the DNC as well.
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Not unless you consider it a contortion
that your church teaches anyone baptized Catholic to always be Catholic.
If you do, then your issue would seem to be with your church's
teaching. There are no mental contortions required because according to
Catholic teaching, Tim Kaine is a Catholic.
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And according to his priest,a very devout Catholic - actively
involved in his parish. I think Kaine is a great choice - he was my
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And according to his priest,a very devout
Catholic - actively involved in his parish. I think Kaine is a great
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His Bishop seems to differ. I suspect he is not actively involved
in his parishes pro-life ministry . Please let's not try to pretend that
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I heard HRC on TV today make the following statement which I believe she
made last year regarding abortion. "... cultural and religious beliefs
have to change." In other words, the CC better get on board and change
their teachings on abortions.
Seems like Kaine already flip-flopped and now favors repeal of the Hyde
Amendment to allow Medicare to pay for women's abortion. So much for
being a "devout" Catholic. This
from Christianity Today "Catholic priest bans Hillary Clinton's VP bet
Tim Kaine from taking Holy Communion in his church." Wow, I wonder if
Kaine has been approached on this. Why would a priest do such a thing to
a "devout" Catholic?
In contrast see this
from Trump. It seems like Christians and especially Catholics can be
shut up by threats, but the time has come to say "NO MORE!"
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Actually, Clinton promised she would make
campaign finance reform a top priority in her first 30 days in office.
She also has a plan, similar to Sanders', for free tuition for community
colleges. Whether, if elected, she will follow through on these
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in addition to free college, we need to give them higher GPAs
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Many European countries such as France
have virtually free college education which is paid for from tax
revenues. It's certainly a much better way to have spent their tax money
than what we did by pouring over a trillion dollars down the drain for
an ill-advised war in Iraq. Just think of how many people we could have
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their very cheap Universities. You must follow a prescribed set of rules
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Not at all. That is a false assumption.
I seldom see something being rejected without being read because it
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You could go to Stephen Gowans' website. You could also tell me
how his views on foreign policy have been imbued into "the very
culture".
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I heard HRC on TV today make the
following statement which I believe she made last year regarding
abortion. "... cultural and religious beliefs have to change." In other
words, the CC better get on board and change their teachings on
abortions.
Seems like Kaine already flip-flopped and now favors repeal of the Hyde
Amendment to allow Medicare to pay for women's abortion. So much for
being a "devout" Catholic. This
from Christianity Today "Catholic priest bans Hillary Clinton's VP bet
Tim Kaine from taking Holy Communion in his church." Wow, I wonder if
Kaine has been approached on this. Why would a priest do such a thing to
a "devout" Catholic?
In contrast see this
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Pelosi said the same thing yesterday- she said the reason
"uneducated" white males often vote against their economic interests (
translation they vote for Republican) are them 3G's . God, guns, gays-
after she mentioned God she said they used him as an excuse to oppose a
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in addition to free college, we need to give them higher GPAs
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The French are highly restrictive in who
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Well, of course. If you are not ready for college, you should not
waste your time and other people's money by going to college. That does
not detract from the value of making college available to those who are
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Pelosi says Clinton struggles with white male vote because of 'guns, gays and God
“I think that, so many times, white — non-college-educated white males
have voted Republican. They voted against their own economic interests
because of guns, because of gays, and because of God, the three G’s, God being the woman’s right to choose,” Pelosi told PBS’s Judy Woodruff in an interview Wednesda
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Community college is not that expensive. I went to one for my college degree.
Maybe she should encourage working hard in high school and getting good grades instead of expecting free college education.
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Pelosi says Clinton struggles with white male vote because of 'guns, gays and God
“I think that, so many times, white — non-college-educated white males
have voted Republican. They voted against their own economic interests
because of guns, because of gays, and because of God, the three G’s, God being the woman’s right to choose,” Pelosi told PBS’s Judy Woodruff in an interview Wednesda
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Well, of course. If you are not ready for
college, you should not waste your time and other people's money by
going to college. That does not detract from the value of making college
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Check out this comparison between "Bankers' campaign contributions" between Clinton and Trump: https://twitter.com/foxbusiness/stat...51757237227521
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Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
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wow! that is disgraceful! I wonder where all that money goes?
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Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
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Pfft! It's Fox News. 
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Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
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wow! that is disgraceful! I wonder where all that money goes?
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Their bank accounts? Their campaigns? I don't know. I guess that
money is separate from the money Hillary Clinton got from the speeches
she gave. Presumably these bankers are giving this money because they
think it will provide them influence? The bankers have given
significantly more, based on that list, to Clinton, than they have to
Trump. Presumably, these bankers think Clinton would be better for
bankers if she became President, rather than Trump?
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Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
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Originally Posted by estesbob
Pelosi said the same thing yesterday- she
said the reason "uneducated" white males often vote against their
economic interests ( translation they vote for Republican) are them 3G's
. God, guns, gays- after she mentioned God she said they used him as an
excuse to oppose a woman's right to choose and that such beliefs needed
to be changed
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Back when I was a Democrat activist, I used to say the same thing.
"Why would these (largely working class Repub) people vote against
their own interests." I believe that back then it was true.
Now that the Dem party does absolutely nothing for working people or the
poor and offers them essentially nothing but abortion, and hasn't for
years, but exposes them and their family to ever-increasing worldwide
terrorism, ever-increasing costs of living, the tender mercies of big
business, and prosletizing of sexual perversion to their children, the
situation is reversed. I now wonder, when people support Democrats "Why
would these people vote against their own interests".
But many do.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
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How about working so you can go? I did, and many others I know did.
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Still tough. In New York, SUNY tuition, for a full-time, in-state
student, in residence, pursuing a B.A. or a B.S., comes to something
over $20,000 per year.
If you're a New York City resident, you can attend one of the City
University's colleges for a bit over $6,000 per year, full-time. CUNY
does not have residential facilities -- you'll have to live with your
parents or find other (very expensive, in NYC) housing. That is just
about the least expensive college degree one can get in New York.
Private colleges and universities can, and do, charge multiples of that cost.
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Originally Posted by jediliz
Community college is not that expensive. I went to one for my college degree.
Maybe she should encourage working hard in high school and getting good grades instead of expecting free college education.
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I'll get blasted for saying this, but here goes.
I'm one who questions this. If I work my fanny off and do without and
teach civilization, a work ethic and cultural literacy to my children,
why should I NOT be able to send my child to a more expensive college
when I can afford to do it?
And why should I be forced to pay the tuition of the children of someone who didn't do any of that?
I'll admit that I am fully supportive of state colleges, whether junior
colleges or major universities, and I am supportive of the people in
each state voting and allocating their taxes to pay whatever level they
think appropriate, from the totally free state colleges in Montana to
some of the breathtakingly expensive state colleges farther east.
My father didn't even finish high school, but he self-educated to become
a highly literate and skilled man. My mother attended a state college. I
was fortunate enough to attend a Jesuit college because my parents
saved their money, as did I, and they and I expended the effort to make
me literate enough to get in. My children all attended Catholic colleges
and/or graduate schools, and it cost plenty. I didn't get expensive
vacations, only bought one new car, ever, and not infrequently worked at
more than one thing at a time.
Yes, community colleges are already affordable to anyone who wants to
lift a finger to get through. State universities here are more expensive
but reasonably affordable. Some of the employers around here will even
pay your way through community college if you go to work for them.
So, why should somebody like Hillary Clinton have the slightest right to
chisel my children so she can buy votes by telling people she'll make
me pay for theirs?
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Originally Posted by Ridgerunner
I'll get blasted for saying this, but here goes.
I'm one who questions this. If I work my fanny off and do without and
teach civilization, a work ethic and cultural literacy to my children,
why should I NOT be able to send my child to a more expensive college
when I can afford to do it?
And why should I be forced to pay the tuition of the children of someone who didn't do any of that?
I'll admit that I am fully supportive of state colleges, whether junior
colleges or major universities, and I am supportive of the people in
each state voting and allocating their taxes to pay whatever level they
think appropriate, from the totally free state colleges in Montana to
some of the breathtakingly expensive state colleges farther east.
My father didn't even finish high school, but he self-educated to become
a highly literate and skilled man. My mother attended a state college. I
was fortunate enough to attend a Jesuit college because my parents
saved their money, as did I, and they and I expended the effort to make
me literate enough to get in. My children all attended Catholic colleges
and/or graduate schools, and it cost plenty. I didn't get expensive
vacations, only bought one new car, ever, and not infrequently worked at
more than one thing at a time.
Yes, community colleges are already affordable to anyone who wants to
lift a finger to get through. State universities here are more expensive
but reasonably affordable. Some of the employers around here will even
pay your way through community college if you go to work for them.
So, why should somebody like Hillary Clinton have the slightest right to
chisel my children so she can buy votes by telling people she'll make
me pay for theirs?
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I don't support free college tuition, but what Hillary is doing is
in essence no different than what George Bush did with Medicare part D.
Both politicians were buying off special interest groups. The question
really is how to stop both parties from doing it.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
Not only does Hillary Clinton have a nice lead in the swing state of CO
and the campaign has pulled ads there for now as a result, but she also
maintains a sizeable lead in PA.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/swing-...ado-ads-226131
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/0...-sizable-lead/
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Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
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Colorado is no longer a red state. It is still July.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...t-had-been-ha/
FBI warned Hillary Clinton campaign that it had been hacked.
By the way, mishandling of classified information is punishable by prison time, even if unintentional.
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Mishandling and failure to safeguard.
Federal crimes.
Plus Clinton didn't care if her information got hacked.
She actually used a private server so that it would not or could not be Federally protected.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
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I remember reading in the news that the Hillary Clinton campaign had been hacked. I never realized what would be revealed.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
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Plus Clinton didn't care if her information got hacked.
She actually used a private server so that it would not or could not be Federally protected.
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Unfounded speculation.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
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Unfounded speculation.
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there wasn't much of a response from the campaign after the announcement they were hacked.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
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there wasn't much of a response from the campaign after the announcement they were hacked.
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That does not shed any light at all on the question of Hillary's
reason for using a private e-mail. And that was the "unfounded
speculation" that I quoted.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
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That does not shed any light at all on
the question of Hillary's reason for using a private e-mail. And that
was the "unfounded speculation" that I quoted.
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We already know the reason. Hillary said it herself.
Abedin: We should talk about putting you on state email or releasing your email to the department so you are not going to spam.
Clinton: Let's get separate address or device but I don't want any risk of the personal being accessible.
https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/...75149505519620
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We already know the reason. Hillary said it herself.
Abedin: We should talk about putting you on state email or releasing your email to the department so you are not going to spam.
Clinton: Let's get separate address or device but I don't want any risk of the personal being accessible.
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This does not support the reason claimed in post #547.
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