Democratic Party Convention General Thread

Jul 27, '16, 2:37 pm

stevegravy Regular Member Join Date: October 18, 2007 Posts: 2,603 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv It's tongue-in-cheek. The media insists Russia did tthe hacking of DNC emails but earlier they insisted no one ever did hack into hillarys emails on illegal home server. See the contradiction? Trump is oniy saying out loud what people say in their own homes. If Russia hacked DNC, they probably have got Hilary's emails, which are probably just as juicy. More then juicy, the secrete 30,000 she wiped from the server. Putin might be able to do what the State Department won't do. Now that is fun.

#662   Jul 27, '16, 2:38 pm

meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish

Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv It's tongue-in-cheek. The media insists Russia did tthe hacking of DNC emails but earlier they insisted no one ever did hack into hillarys emails on illegal home server. See the contradiction? Trump is oniy saying out loud what people say in their own homes. If Russia hacked DNC, they probably have got Hilary's emails, which are probably just as juicy. I am appalled at the Hillary email scandal but do not forget that Trump himself is under investigation for fraud in relation to his Trump University. True, this is not as big a deal as the Hillary affair except for those students who paid financially for nothing in return. Still, it does say something about the business ethics of both candidates.

#663   Jul 27, '16, 2:40 pm

estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic

Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by TMC Well, his call for Russia to continue hacking US politicians was certainly historical. Pretty funny joke-too bad some people have no sense of humor

#664   Jul 27, '16, 2:41 pm

gracepoole Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic

Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam It is an outward sign. Like a crucifix is for a Christian. Men and women have died defending the flag against people who would kill you and I. There is no stronger outward sign in the USA. Flags are often called standards for a reason. There is also a reason it is flown proudly on federal buildings and installations. Is wearing a crucifix the standard by which we judge someone's Christianity? I certainly hope not...

#665   Jul 27, '16, 2:43 pm

queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic

Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by gracepoole Is wearing a crucifix the standard by which we judge someone's Christianity? I certainly hope not... If the pope called a Bishops conference and there is no crucifix to be seen, that'd be a story.

#666   Jul 27, '16, 2:44 pm

estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic

Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy I am appalled at the Hillary email scandal but do not forget that Trump himself is under investigation for fraud in relation to his Trump University. True, this is not as big a deal as the Hillary affair except for those students who paid financially for nothing in return. Still, it does say something about the business ethics of both candidates. Give me a break-we are talking about a run of the mill lawsuit against one of trumps 514 business ventures as opposed to putting national security at risk, Ive been sued three times in 35 years-won all of them. Would you consider me to be unethical based on the fact I was sued? Last edited by estesbob; Jul 27, '16 at 2:59 pm.

#667   Jul 27, '16, 2:44 pm

queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic

Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy I am appalled at the Hillary email scandal but do not forget that Trump himself is under investigation for fraud in relation to his Trump University. True, this is not as big a deal as the Hillary affair except for those students who paid financially for nothing in return. Still, it does say something about the business ethics of both candidates. Trump is still in court about his case but hillary is already off the hook. No trial necessary. She's Always innocent no matter what.

#668   Jul 27, '16, 2:45 pm

gracepoole Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic

Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv If the pope called a Bishops conference and there is no crucifix to be seen, that'd be a story. Now a political party and its convention are being likened to a meeting of Catholic bishops? A flag is being likened to a crucifix? Are we really claiming that someone's patriotism and Christianity can be so easily questioned?

#669   Jul 27, '16, 2:45 pm

Ridgerunner Forum Elder Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,710 Religion: Catholic

Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by TMC Well, his call for Russia to continue hacking US politicians was certainly historical. Actually, he didn't. That's media spin. The reality is that he opined Russia had the 30,000 emails that Hillary Clinton erased so the FBI couldn't see them. He then said the U.S. media would probably "reward" Russia for disclosing them. Every bit of that is probably true. What he did NOT say is that Russia should continue hacking U.S. politicians.

#670   Jul 27, '16, 2:46 pm

queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic

Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by gracepoole Now a political party and its convention are being likened to a meeting of Catholic bishops? A flag is being likened to a crucifix? Are we really claiming that someone's patriotism and Christianity can be so easily questioned? I also heard the DNC had to put pledge of allegiance words on big screen.

#671   Jul 27, '16, 2:51 pm

Ridgerunner Forum Elder Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,710 Religion: Catholic

Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy I am appalled at the Hillary email scandal but do not forget that Trump himself is under investigation for fraud in relation to his Trump University. True, this is not as big a deal as the Hillary affair except for those students who paid financially for nothing in return. Still, it does say something about the business ethics of both candidates. Perhaps you can correct me, but it is my understanding Trump is not "under investigation" because of Trump University. A woman sued and got the suit classified as a class action on behalf of all people who ever attended Trump University. Recently, she tried to drop the suit, but the judge would not allow it, naming another person as the lead plaintiff, which basically put discovery back to "square one" in many respects. There is not a major company in this country that does not presently have a number of claims and lawsuits against it. In my state alone, I can count some 5,000 in which Walmart is the defendant. Lowe's only has about 600. Probably there are more lawsuits than the Trump U suit against Trump, and I would be mightily surprised if there are not.

#672   Jul 27, '16, 3:05 pm

Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,411 Religion: Catholic

Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv It's tongue-in-cheek. The media insists Russia did tthe hacking of DNC emails but earlier they insisted no one ever did hack into hillarys emails on illegal home server. See the contradiction? Trump is oniy saying out loud what people say in their own homes. If Russia hacked DNC, they probably have got Hilary's emails, which are probably just as juicy. You do realize that they are not the same set of emails? Clinton hasn't been Secretary of State for 3 years. The DNC leak is recent from only this past year. In fact it seems that the White House might have also been targeted. If this actually IS A Russian attack on US government servers, I don't have enough adjectives to describe the irresponsibility of aTrump's remarks and subsequent tweets. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.

#673   Jul 27, '16, 3:06 pm

Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,805 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by gracepoole I've been praying for months that we have perhaps anything but a repeat of 2000... Painful times. If my memory serves me correctly,the entire Fla.panhandle was shut out,discouraged from voting because the race had already been called for Gore.Not to mention the hundreds of military votes that went on counted.So really stop with in inference that Bush stole the election back then.The votes were counted recounted hanging,dangling pregnant and othwise,and he still prevailed.Why is it cheating whenever a Republican wins? Actually my response was intended more for Sy Noe who put it out there re the Fla.situation,although you are in agreement with him,no doubt.

#674   Jul 27, '16, 3:06 pm

_Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,523 Religion: Catholic

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#675   Jul 27, '16, 3:08 pm

Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith

Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by gracepoole Why are flags the standard by which we judge someone's patriotism? I hope to catch the story tonight at the convention given by the wife of an army helicopter pilot who died on a search and rescue mission in northern Iraq. As I understand it, then Sen Clinton worked across the aisle with both Republicans and Democrats to increase the gratuity paid to family members of fallen veterans from $12,000 to $100,000. Something like that is far more patriotic in my book that whether her convention has x-number of flags and Trump's had y-number to display on television. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)  Jul 27, '16, 3:13 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 You do realize that they are not the same set of emails? Clinton hasn't been Secretary of State for 3 years. The DNC leak is recent from only this past year. In fact it seems that the White House might have also been targeted. If this actually IS A Russian attack on US government servers, I don't have enough adjectives to describe the irresponsibility of aTrump's remarks and subsequent tweets. So you think if trump asks Russia to hack hillarys emails they would. If he didn't ask, they wouldn't?   #677   Jul 27, '16, 3:16 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob Pretty funny joke-too bad some people have no sense of humor Some of what he's saying is not a joke. He's already indicated that he would recognize the Russian takeover of the Crimea. No wonder Putin wants him to win and is trying to influence the election.   #678   Jul 27, '16, 3:24 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 You do realize that they are not the same set of emails? Clinton hasn't been Secretary of State for 3 years. The DNC leak is recent from only this past year. In fact it seems that the White House might have also been targeted. If this actually IS A Russian attack on US government servers, I don't have enough adjectives to describe the irresponsibility of aTrump's remarks and subsequent tweets. There has been no evidence whatsoever that Russia did the hacking. The media wanted to blame Russia so as to avoid talking about content of the emails. That is clear as day. How american voters don't see that and can use this against trump is just amazing. If the media wants to play this game, I say go on mr trump, play them!   #679   Jul 27, '16, 3:34 pm Dwyer Regular Member Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: "It's Hope Time; it's Healing Time; It's Hillary Time." --Reverend Jesse Jackson Anyone from the Media ever going to ask Reverend Jackson, as a Baptist Minister, how he reconciles his support for the Democratic Party and their support of Abortion On Demand? I can't remember a single journalist, columnist, TV pundit, or Anchorperson ever asking him even once about it during the last few decades. Media throws softballs to the Liberal Left and fails to ask the tough questions needed to be asked. __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)   #680   Jul 27, '16, 3:40 pm sallybutler Regular Member Forum Supporter Join Date: July 3, 2011 Posts: 3,714 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv It's tongue-in-cheek. The media insists Russia did tthe hacking of DNC emails but earlier they insisted no one ever did hack into hillarys emails on illegal home server. See the contradiction? Trump is oniy saying out loud what people say in their own homes. If Russia hacked DNC, they probably have got Hilary's emails, which are probably just as juicy. There are some things one does not joke about, especially in public. When at the airport, you don't joke about bombs (true since at least Gulf War 1) or harming the President even in a phone call (I was taught this in 1968) are two good examples. It comes under the same category as yelling fire in a crowded theater. You may mean it tongue-in-cheek, you don't do it. __________________ 'Those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless.' James 1:26   #681   Jul 27, '16, 3:59 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by sallybutler There are some things one does not joke about, especially in public. When at the airport, you don't joke about bombs (true since at least Gulf War 1) or harming the President even in a phone call (I was taught this in 1968) are two good examples. It comes under the same category as yelling fire in a crowded theater. You may mean it tongue-in-cheek, you don't do it. Hillary by way of her illegal server has already made a joke of national security. But of course there is always a way to deflect from her grave errors.   #682   Jul 27, '16, 4:03 pm gracepoole Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Hillary by way of her illegal server has already made a joke of national security. But of course there is always a way to deflect from her grave errors. Making a joke of them probably isn't the best way to avoid deflecting from them...   #683   Jul 27, '16, 4:04 pm gracepoole Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe I hope to catch the story tonight at the convention given by the wife of an army helicopter pilot who died on a search and rescue mission in northern Iraq. As I understand it, then Sen Clinton worked across the aisle with both Republicans and Democrats to increase the gratuity paid to family members of fallen veterans from $12,000 to $100,000. Something like that is far more patriotic in my book that whether her convention has x-number of flags and Trump's had y-number to display on television. Agreed. And I'll look for this story, too!   #684   Jul 27, '16, 5:33 pm estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 You do realize that they are not the same set of emails? Clinton hasn't been Secretary of State for 3 years. The DNC leak is recent from only this past year. In fact it seems that the White House might have also been targeted. If this actually IS A Russian attack on US government servers, I don't have enough adjectives to describe the irresponsibility of aTrump's remarks and subsequent tweets. Actually he was referring to the 30,000 deleted emails that she claimed were Le rsonal. She said they dealt mainly with yoga and Chelsea's wedding. Now we see she and the Democrat party throwing a hissy fit about how her yoga emails constitute a national security crisis. It was a brilliant move by Trump. He made a joke and the Democrat party overreacted as They usually do allowing him to step on what was supposed to be therir big night at the convention   #685   Jul 27, '16, 5:37 pm estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe I hope to catch the story tonight at the convention given by the wife of an army helicopter pilot who died on a search and rescue mission in northern Iraq. As I understand it, then Sen Clinton worked across the aisle with both Republicans and Democrats to increase the gratuity paid to family members of fallen veterans from $12,000 to $100,000. Something like that is far more patriotic in my book that whether her convention has x-number of flags and Trump's had y-number to display on television. Did the ambassadors Family get the same stipend. ?It would seem they should get double being Hillarys part in his death   #686   Jul 27, '16, 5:38 pm Ridgerunner Forum Elder Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,710 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe I hope to catch the story tonight at the convention given by the wife of an army helicopter pilot who died on a search and rescue mission in northern Iraq. As I understand it, then Sen Clinton worked across the aisle with both Republicans and Democrats to increase the gratuity paid to family members of fallen veterans from $12,000 to $100,000. Something like that is far more patriotic in my book that whether her convention has x-number of flags and Trump's had y-number to display on television. I heard on the radio that Google is in the tank for Hillary Clinton. Try to look this up on Google, and it's a blizzard of Clinton mouthpiece organization articles. None of them gives credit where credit is really due. Apparently this particular bit is very big for Hillary's campaign. But probably googling anything about her will give her party line nowadays. No surprise, I guess. But going to Bing, it appears this was Chuck Hagel's (Repub) bill, not Hillary Clinton's. It was co-sponsored (signed onto) by nine senators, one of whom was Hillary Clinton. It passed easily, with no amendments to Hagel's bill added by anybody.   #687   Jul 27, '16, 5:44 pm estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread DNC turns up music to drown out Kaine dissenter http://www.theamericanmirror.com/dnc...ne-dissenters/   #688   Jul 27, '16, 6:10 pm estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Ridgerunner I heard on the radio that Google is in the tank for Hillary Clinton. Try to look this up on Google, and it's a blizzard of Clinton mouthpiece organization articles. None of them gives credit where credit is really due. Apparently this particular bit is very big for Hillary's campaign. But probably googling anything about her will give her party line nowadays. No surprise, I guess. But going to Bing, it appears this was Chuck Hagel's (Repub) bill, not Hillary Clinton's. It was co-sponsored (signed onto) by nine senators, one of whom was Hillary Clinton. It passed easily, with no amendments to Hagel's bill added by anybody. These are the only three bills that Hillary introduced that got passed during her time in the Senate: S. 1241: A bill to establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site in the State of New York. Bush signed the bill Dec. 3, 2004. S. 3613: A bill to name a post office the "Major George Quamo Post Office Building." Bush signed the bill Oct. 6, 2006. S. 3145: A bill to designate a highway in New York as the Timothy J. Russert highway. Bush signed the bill July 23, 2008.   #689   Jul 27, '16, 6:58 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Bloomberg just decimated Trump tonight. He urged independents to vote for someone who is sane. He made a good case. The twitter war should start shortly.   #690   Jul 27, '16, 7:04 pm estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings Bloomberg just decimated Trump tonight. He urged independents to vote for someone who is sane. He made a good case. The twitter war should start shortly. If he decimated Trump why did he recommended independence vote against Hillary? Jul 27, '16, 7:10 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob If he decimated Trump why did he recommended independence vote against Hillary? too cute by half. You should tune in.   #692   Jul 27, '16, 7:11 pm Songcatcher Junior Member Join Date: August 13, 2015 Posts: 447 Religion: Lutheran/RCIA Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings Bloomberg just decimated Trump tonight. He urged independents to vote for someone who is sane. He made a good case. The twitter war should start shortly. Give him a few minutes. His twitter fingers are probably shaking too much right now. https://news.google.com/news/story?n...gkCgMQqgIIKDAA Quote: Michael Bloomberg, a brand-name billionaire far wealthier than Donald Trump, a famously independent voter who derides both the Democratic and Republican parties, endorsed Hillary Clinton on Wednesday and called Trump a “risky, radical and reckless choice” for president. “Let’s elect a sane, competent person,” he said. The normally soft-spoken owner of Bloomberg financial-news service excoriated his fellow New Yorker, labeling him a “dangerous demagogue,” a hypocrite, a con, and—slashing at the core of Trump’s self-worth—a horrible businessman. “Throughout his career,” Bloomberg said in his prime-time address. “Trump has left behind a well-documented record of bankruptcies and thousands of lawsuits and angry shareholders and contractors who feel cheated and disillusioned customers who feel ripped off. Trump says he wants to run the nation like he’s run his business. God help us!”   #693   Jul 27, '16, 7:14 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Songcatcher Give him a few minutes. His twitter fingers are probably shaking too much right now. https://news.google.com/news/story?n...gkCgMQqgIIKDAA   #694   Jul 27, '16, 7:20 pm estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Media won't ask Chelsea Clinton about her father's treatment of women http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/me...rticle/2597906 But have no problem asking Trump's daughters about his treatment of women. Perhaps last night when they were filling the stage with victims they should've bought out Juanita Broderick and Kathleen Wiley   #695   Jul 27, '16, 7:20 pm DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread This obsession with Fox News is really weird __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #696   Jul 27, '16, 7:21 pm estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY This obsession with Fox News is really weird Any thread on politics is not complete without at least a half-dozen digs at Fox News.   #697   Jul 27, '16, 7:23 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob Media won't ask Chelsea Clinton about her father's treatment of women http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/me...rticle/2597906 But have no problem asking Trump's daughters about his treatment of women. Perhaps last night when they were filling the stage with victims they should've bought out Juanita Broderick and Kathleen Wiley I don't know if you remember, but you posted this a few weeks ago and I responded to your post.   #698   Jul 27, '16, 7:24 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,805 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY This obsession with Fox News is really weird Isn't it,though? The left has been whining about Fox for over twenty years.Basically the lone wolf among a pack of liberal news outlets and they ,meaning the leftie Dems can't handle it. Meanwhile we are bombarded by the left leaning media,who own the news and bend it how the want.   #699   Jul 27, '16, 7:25 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob Any thread on politics is not complete without at least a half-dozen digs at Fox News. For some, it is the last word in politics.   #700   Jul 27, '16, 7:34 pm estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings For some, it is the last word in politics. It is? The only people I see saying things like that are people that never watch it.   #701   Jul 27, '16, 7:34 pm YADA Forum Supporter Join Date: October 21, 2004 Posts: 4,884 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Yep - Kaine just touted how we should trust Hillary [and of course that includes Kaine too] to protect Roe V Wade and a "Woman's Right to Choose" to end the life of innocent children .. and he is touting how we can believe 'every thing that comes out of their mouths" Well - I do believe him .. Kaine has abandoned his "I am personally opposed to abortion" stance - he has embraced the culture of death - he embraces and protects killing children in the womb ... what a very sad day this is .... __________________ Living the Journey, YADA Respect Christ - Vote Life   #702   Jul 27, '16, 7:36 pm estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S Isn't it,though? The left has been whining about Fox for over twenty years.Basically the lone wolf among a pack of liberal news outlets and they ,meaning the leftie Dems can't handle it. Meanwhile we are bombarded by the left leaning media,who own the news and bend it how the want. They has Nancy Pelosi on tonight as well as a Democrat Congress woman who accused Trump of high treason. I wonder how many conservatives were on MSNBC tonight?   #703   Jul 27, '16, 7:36 pm estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by YADA Yep - Kaine just touted how we should trust Hillary [and of course that includes Kaine too] to protect Roe V Wade and a "Woman's Right to Choose" to end the life of innocent children .. and he is touting how we can believe 'every thing that comes out of their mouths" Well - I do believe him .. Kaine has abandoned his "I am personally opposed to abortion" stance - he has embraced the culture of death - he embraces and protects killing children in the womb ... what a very sad day this is .... It is always sad to see a Catholic sell out their faith for political gain   #704   Jul 27, '16, 7:37 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob It is? The only people I see saying things like that are people that never watch it. How do you know that?   #705   Jul 27, '16, 8:00 pm DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob It is? The only people I see saying things like that are people that never watch it. Ain't that the truth! __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/ Jul 27, '16, 8:03 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY Ain't that the truth! Maybe you can support this with facts?   #707   Jul 27, '16, 8:06 pm Songcatcher Junior Member Join Date: August 13, 2015 Posts: 447 Religion: Lutheran/RCIA Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Obama is giving a speech for the ages. Perhaps his best ever.   #708   Jul 27, '16, 8:09 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Songcatcher Obama is giving a speech for the ages. Perhaps his best ever. Like Ginger Rogers, she was doing everything I was doing, but backwards in high heels. Good point!   #709   Jul 27, '16, 8:12 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,805 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob They has Nancy Pelosi on tonight as well as a Democrat Congress woman who accused Trump of high treason. I wonder how many conservatives were on MSNBC tonight? That would be a big fat zero,I am guessing...........   #710   Jul 27, '16, 8:12 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread I love the fact that they are concentrating on her intelligence and her ability to keep on fighting. She keeps getting up.   #711   Jul 27, '16, 8:14 pm Songcatcher Junior Member Join Date: August 13, 2015 Posts: 447 Religion: Lutheran/RCIA Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Now it's on to Trump.   #712   Jul 27, '16, 8:14 pm DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S That would be a big fat zero,I am guessing........... They didn't drag out Joe Scarborough for this? __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #713   Jul 27, '16, 8:16 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob They has Nancy Pelosi on tonight as well as a Democrat Congress woman who accused Trump of high treason. I wonder how many conservatives were on MSNBC tonight? There aren't too many Republicans who feel confident enough to talk to Rachel Maddow. Rand Paul learned his lesson.   #714   Jul 27, '16, 8:16 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,805 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY They didn't drag out Joe Scarborough for this?   #715   Jul 27, '16, 8:19 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY They didn't drag out Joe Scarborough for this? I don't get it.   #716   Jul 27, '16, 8:22 pm Entwhistler Junior Member Join Date: May 21, 2015 Posts: 452 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Mr. Obama is a good speaker. He doesn't constantly yell like Hilary does. __________________ Do not be hasty.   #717   Jul 27, '16, 8:36 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Songcatcher Obama is giving a speech for the ages. Perhaps his best ever. Great speech.   #718   Jul 27, '16, 8:46 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread At least the arena is still filled. Why did all the Republicans leave so early? It's a whole different experience. It's great to be an American!!!!   #719   Jul 27, '16, 8:52 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings Great speech. Yeah. Great speech! The best I've heard this campaign season.   #720   Jul 27, '16, 9:05 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Songcatcher Obama is giving a speech for the ages. Perhaps his best ever. It was an extraordinary speech, truly "a speech for the ages," as you call it. In fact, the whole evening was exceptional for the DNC, including the invigorating speeches of Leon Panetta (who knew?), Joe Biden, Tim Kaine, even Michael Bloomberg, all of whom got their point across with panache.  Jul 27, '16, 9:06 pm Songcatcher Junior Member Join Date: August 13, 2015 Posts: 447 Religion: Lutheran/RCIA Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr Yeah. Great speech! The best I've heard this campaign season. I think it was one of the best speeches I've ever heard. Mature and smart-talking directly to the American people as if we are actually mature and smart, too and appealing to the better angels of our natures. Even the cynical, sensationalist press looked humbled by it.   #722   Jul 27, '16, 9:08 pm Songcatcher Junior Member Join Date: August 13, 2015 Posts: 447 Religion: Lutheran/RCIA Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy It was an extraordinary speech, truly "a speech for the ages," as you call it. In fact, the whole evening was exceptional for the DNC, including the invigorating speeches of Leon Panetta (who knew?), Joe Biden, Tim Kaine, even Michael Bloomberg, all of whom got their point across with panache. Yes, they were all really good, too.   #723   Jul 27, '16, 9:13 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Songcatcher I think it was one of the best speeches I've ever heard. Mature and smart-talking directly to the American people as if we are actually mature and smart, too and appealing to the better angels of our natures. Even the cynical, sensationalist press looked humbled by it. I agree. Perhaps the best political speech I've ever heard! And Obama is such a gifted speaker.   #724   Jul 27, '16, 9:20 pm ComplineSanFran Regular Member Join Date: June 17, 2015 Posts: 2,521 Religion: Anglican Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Songcatcher I think it was one of the best speeches I've ever heard. Mature and smart-talking directly to the American people as if we are actually mature and smart, too and appealing to the better angels of our natures. Even the cynical, sensationalist press looked humbled by it. I didn't watch the commentaries, either Fox or MSNBC, because I just wanted to take it in and bask in it for the evening. It was truly one of the best speeches I have ever heard. Brilliant. Inspiring. It made me think about what we are as a country and who we are as people who make up this country. We won't see the likes of this night again. Very proud to be living under Obama's Presidency.   #725   Jul 27, '16, 9:24 pm _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,523 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread I didn't watch it in full, but some of the reviews I'm seeing for Vice presidential candidate Tim Kaine's speech, are pretty awful. __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org   #726   Jul 27, '16, 9:27 pm ComplineSanFran Regular Member Join Date: June 17, 2015 Posts: 2,521 Religion: Anglican Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy It was an extraordinary speech, truly "a speech for the ages," as you call it. In fact, the whole evening was exceptional for the DNC, including the invigorating speeches of Leon Panetta (who knew?), Joe Biden, Tim Kaine, even Michael Bloomberg, all of whom got their point across with panache. I enjoyed Joe Biden. He has always been a favorite of mine, and tonight he spoke honestly and 'get down real.' Very much appreciated that.   #727   Jul 27, '16, 9:30 pm Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Songcatcher I think it was one of the best speeches I've ever heard. Mature and smart-talking directly to the American people as if we are actually mature and smart, too and appealing to the better angels of our natures. Even the cynical, sensationalist press looked humbled by it. I can say no more than what you and Good Tidings and ComplineSanFran and Thorolfr and Meltzerboy have expressed... other than as you said earlier, Songcatcher... indeed one for the ages! And as I think Meltzerboy said, what a great night! __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #728   Jul 27, '16, 9:32 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread BTW, I'm almost sure I caught a glimpse of Debbie Wasserman Schultz at the convention, listening to Obama's speech. She wasn't run out of town yet?   #729   Jul 27, '16, 9:33 pm Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy BTW, I'm almost sure I caught a glimpse of Debbie Wasserman Schultz at the convention, listening to Obama's speech. She wasn't run out of town yet? Yes you did. I also thought I saw a glimpse of former Vice President Walter Mondale. He gets to witness the first woman to be nominated by a major party for President of the United States 32 yrs after he chose the first woman to run for VP on a major party ticket. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #730   Jul 27, '16, 9:35 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe Yes you did. Thanks. Then I wasn't hallucinating. I also thought it was a nice touch after the speech that Hillary appeared on stage to embrace Obama.   #731   Jul 27, '16, 9:45 pm ComplineSanFran Regular Member Join Date: June 17, 2015 Posts: 2,521 Religion: Anglican Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Thanks. Then I wasn't hallucinating. I also thought it was a nice touch after the speech that Hillary appeared on stage to embrace Obama. It may have been choreographed to the nth degree, but it worked. Boy howdy did it work.   #732   Jul 27, '16, 9:46 pm Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Thanks. Then I wasn't hallucinating. I also thought it was a nice touch after the speech that Hillary appeared on stage to embrace Obama. I wasn't expecting her to appear in person tonight but yes I thought it was a great moment. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #733   Jul 27, '16, 9:50 pm ComplineSanFran Regular Member Join Date: June 17, 2015 Posts: 2,521 Religion: Anglican Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Have you ever heard the term anticipatory grief? It's when you know something is about to end - usually in the context of a beloved's life. Well, I must admit to a whole lot of anticipatory grief when it comes to Michelle and Barack Obama. I am so very grateful for their combined grace and integrity these past 8 years. I can't imagine a better president. Just think if he had had a congress who was willing to work with him! But regardless, I am grieving his loss already. Tonight's speech was one for the annals of history.   #734   Jul 27, '16, 10:01 pm Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by ComplineSanFran Have you ever heard the term anticipatory grief? It's when you know something is about to end - usually in the context of a beloved's life. Well, I must admit to a whole lot of anticipatory grief when it comes to Michelle and Barack Obama. I am so very grateful for their combined grace and integrity these past 8 years. I can't imagine a better president. Just think if he had had a congress who was willing to work with him! But regardless, I am grieving his loss already. Tonight's speech was one for the annals of history. I'm right with you, ComplineSanFran. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #735   Jul 27, '16, 10:02 pm ATeNumquam Regular Member Join Date: May 31, 2004 Posts: 1,297 Religion: Catholic - gender, female Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by ComplineSanFran Have you ever heard the term anticipatory grief? It's when you know something is about to end - usually in the context of a beloved's life. Well, I must admit to a whole lot of anticipatory grief when it comes to Michelle and Barack Obama. I am so very grateful for their combined grace and integrity these past 8 years. I can't imagine a better president. Just think if he had had a congress who was willing to work with him! But regardless, I am grieving his loss already. Tonight's speech was one for the annals of history. He's going to be missed well beyond your shores. I can't actually think of a president as widely respected outside of the US - apart from JFK. He spoke with respect for the American people's intelligence and integrity. It has saddened and puzzled me to so often see him disrespected and vilified on CAF - and I'm not even an American. It saddened me to see him unable to achieve good things, but not for lack of trying. As the song goes - you don't (always) know what you've got till it's (almost) gone. (Someone's sure to tell me to mind my own business, as a foreigner, but I'm chucking in my anyway) __________________ A Te numquam separari permittas - never let me be parted from You Jul 27, '16, 10:12 pm Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by ATeNumquam He's going to be missed well beyond your shores. I can't actually think of a president as widely respected outside of the US - apart from JFK. He spoke with respect for the American people's intelligence and integrity. It has saddened and puzzled me to so often see him disrespected and vilified on CAF - and I'm not even an American. It saddened me to see him unable to achieve good things, but not for lack of trying. As the song goes - you don't (always) know what you've got till it's (almost) gone. (Someone's sure to tell me to mind my own business, as a foreigner, but I'm chucking in my anyway) As an American, I thank you for saying this. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #737   Jul 27, '16, 10:16 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by ComplineSanFran It was truly one of the best speeches I have ever heard. Brilliant. Inspiring. It made me think about what we are as a country and who we are as people who make up this country. We won't see the likes of this night again. Very proud to be living under Obama's Presidency. Chris Cillizza from the Washington Post said that "this was not a speech that will make it into the pantheon of Obama's best addresses." But, he added, "Obama at 75 percent is still a better speech-giver than almost anyone else on the planet." It seemed like an outstanding speech to me and was one of the first ones this campaign season that brought a few tears to my eyes. But it would be interesting to compare it to some of Obama's other speeches. On a different note, I read that Bill O'Reilly was commenting on the line in Michelle Obama's speech in which she mentioned that the White House was built by slaves, to which he felt compelled to say that the slaves were “well fed and had decent lodgings provided by the government.” What a ridiculous thing for O'Reilly to say.   #738   Jul 27, '16, 10:24 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread the whole evening was like a Hollywood production of how wonderful we all are and patting each other on the back. packed full of emotion. everything sounded good, but was just a load of horse apples if you know what I mean. I was not impressed with Tim Kaine at all. Too bad he hooked up with Hillary. he looks like a good fall guy. anyhow, these people are a joke. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #739   Jul 27, '16, 10:26 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by ComplineSanFran Have you ever heard the term anticipatory grief? It's when you know something is about to end - usually in the context of a beloved's life. Well, I must admit to a whole lot of anticipatory grief when it comes to Michelle and Barack Obama. I am so very grateful for their combined grace and integrity these past 8 years. I can't imagine a better president. Just think if he had had a congress who was willing to work with him! But regardless, I am grieving his loss already. Tonight's speech was one for the annals of history. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #740   Jul 28, '16, 3:05 am DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows I think it explains the intellectual blindness that is exhibited so often on this forum. __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #741   Jul 28, '16, 3:19 am mary bobo Veteran Member Forum Supporter Join Date: May 19, 2005 Posts: 10,618 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr On a different note, I read that Bill O'Reilly was commenting on the line in Michelle Obama's speech in which she mentioned that the White House was built by slaves, to which he felt compelled to say that the slaves were “well fed and had decent lodgings provided by the government.” What a ridiculous thing for O'Reilly to say. Why, if it's true? How much history do you know about the building of the WH? And many more people besides slaves were involved in the building of the WH. __________________ Praying for all CAF intentions.   #742   Jul 28, '16, 3:56 am ThinkingSapien Regular Member Join Date: July 15, 2011 Posts: 4,506 Religion: I'm a Software Engineer :) 😊 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob Media won't ask Chelsea Clinton about her father's treatment of women Aren't there general rules (or customs) about not going after children of current or previous presidents?   #743   Jul 28, '16, 4:05 am ThinkingSapien Regular Member Join Date: July 15, 2011 Posts: 4,506 Religion: I'm a Software Engineer :) 😊 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Entwhistler Mr. Obama is a good speaker. He doesn't constantly yell like Hilary does. I got the feeling some speakers were distracted by the noise. They can hear people around the center better than we the remote viewers can. There were some people that stopped to wait for noise to die down. President Obama seemed to pause for some cheers but otherwise kept speaking . He seemed to understand the microphones were picking him up just fine. Not everyone seemed to understand that.   #744   Jul 28, '16, 4:06 am Maximilan Kolbe Banned Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by ThinkingSapien Aren't there general rules (or customs) about not going after children of current or previous presidents? Only for Democrats. The point is they have asked Trump's daughters about his attitude and relationships with women, and his daughters have no issue answering head on. It has been said that it is verboten to ask Chelsea the same questions, and given that her father was A) the President and prominent political figure post presidency and B) had an affair in the White House and a long history being accused of sexual improprieties by various women I think some wonder why it is okay to ask Trump's children questions that it is not okay to ask Hillary's child. Seems a bit one-sided.   #745   Jul 28, '16, 4:15 am _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,523 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread On Fox News, Steve Doocy said within the three days of the DNC, Donald Trump has been been mentioned 332 times, and the RNC over four days mentioned Hillary Clinton 203 times. __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org   #746   Jul 28, '16, 4:16 am ThinkingSapien Regular Member Join Date: July 15, 2011 Posts: 4,506 Religion: I'm a Software Engineer :) 😊 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Maximilan Kolbe Only for Democrats. Are you sure about that? Has the media been known to go after the younger Barbara Bush, Jenna Bush Hager, or the children of any other presidents (other than the children that have taken political office)?   #747   Jul 28, '16, 4:24 am Maximilan Kolbe Banned Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread [quote=ThinkingSapien;14072324] Quote: Originally Posted by Maximilan Kolbe Only for Democrats. /QUOTE] Are you sure about that? Has the media been known to go after the younger Barbara Bush, Jenna Bush Hager, or the children of any other presidents (other than the children that have taken political office)? Not when they were under 18, I don't think. That makes good sense. And don't get hung up on that statement - it was made in reference to this election. Folks are just asking why asking media has been told questions about her father's treatment of women is not allowed with regards to Chelsea but not Ivanka or Tiffany.   #748   Jul 28, '16, 4:26 am Book Worm Regular Member Join Date: July 10, 2013 Posts: 1,101 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by ThinkingSapien Aren't there general rules (or customs) about not going after children of current or previous presidents? I've been surprised that the media has not mentioned one word about Ivanka Trump's FIL and the way he hired a prostitute to seduce his BIL, filmed the encounter, and then sent the tape to his sister, all in an effort to prevent them from testifying about him. Not really relevant to this election, but that doesn't usually stop them from chewing over a juicy bone like this.   #749   Jul 28, '16, 4:36 am DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Book Worm I've been surprised that the media has not mentioned one word about Ivanka Trump's FIL and the way he hired a prostitute to seduce his BIL, filmed the encounter, and then sent the tape to his sister, all in an effort to prevent them from testifying about him. Not really relevant to this election, but that doesn't usually stop them from chewing over a juicy bone like this. No, it's not really relevant. But let's maybe drag up all the old dirt on Roger Clinton and maybe Hugh and Tony Rodham, too. Oh, and let's not forget Ed Mezvinsky. __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! 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Jul 28, '16, 4:42 am DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv I thought we can't even talk about Bill clinton's alleged rapes and how hillary persecuted his alleged rapists. Different rules! And the women who have accused him have been dragged through the mud. Sounds like a #waronwomen. __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #752   Jul 28, '16, 4:55 am Maximilan Kolbe Banned Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY No, it's not really relevant. But let's maybe drag up all the old dirt on Roger Clinton and maybe Hugh and Tony Rodham, too. Oh, and let's not forget Ed Mezvinsky. I suspect most people consider the husband and wife team to be fair game in how they live their lives. Family members beyond that don't seem to matter to folks, unless there is a clear pattern of corruption or immorality in the family (though if it didn't hurt the Kennedys, it likely won't hurt the Trumps or Clintons 50 years later). That's why I never understood mentioning Cruz's father, regardless of the story. With such serious issues going on, who cares? I dislike Bill Clinton, but that has nothing to do with my vote. My concern with Hillary rests in her policies and character, as she is running. Same goes for Trump - I couldn't care less about his wife, frankly. But if you are going to ask Ivanka about Trump's treatment of women, we should not be told Chelsea is off limits for similar questions. If Chelsea said "my father isn't running" or some such statement, it would be a dodge to be sure, but at least a fair question and response. But even asking the question is "off limits."   #753   Jul 28, '16, 5:21 am estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings There aren't too many Republicans who feel confident enough to talk to Rachel Maddow. Rand Paul learned his lesson. So I assume the answer is none   #754   Jul 28, '16, 6:09 am Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,805 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows the whole evening was like a Hollywood production of how wonderful we all are and patting each other on the back. packed full of emotion. everything sounded good, but was just a load of horse apples if you know what I mean. I was not impressed with Tim Kaine at all. Too bad he hooked up with Hillary. he looks like a good fall guy. anyhow, these people are a joke. I didn't watch but I can only imagine the production as I have seen it before.The Dems as you said are all about appearance.They put on a good show ,beyond that they rarely follow through on their lofty promises.Somehow their base never seems to notice.Gotts wonder why that is.   #755   Jul 28, '16, 6:16 am stevegravy Regular Member Join Date: October 18, 2007 Posts: 2,603 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob His speech will be the greatest speech ever only until Hillary gives hers tonight. The truth is Obamas could've gotten on the podium last night , belched and farted, walked off and we would have people swooning today aboutv how brilliant his speech was. And brace yourself, we're going to be hearing the same thing tomorrow about Hillary .   #756   Jul 28, '16, 6:17 am DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob His speech will be the greatest speech ever only until Hillary gives hers tonight. The truth is Obamas could've gotten on the podium last night , belched and farted, walked off and we would have people swooning today aboutv how brilliant his speech was. And brace yourself, we're going to be hearing the same thing tomorrow about Hillary . Indeed. The delirious reactions are a bit scary. __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #757   Jul 28, '16, 6:19 am Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,805 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by stevegravy Ditto!   #758   Jul 28, '16, 6:23 am ThinkingSapien Regular Member Join Date: July 15, 2011 Posts: 4,506 Religion: I'm a Software Engineer :) 😊 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Maximilan Kolbe Not when they were under 18, I don't think. That makes good sense. As far as I can see your observations don't seem to contradict my understanding of the rule about leaving the children of presidents alone. When George W. was running his twin daughters would have been 19 years old. For his second election they would have been 23. While there were plenty of people that disagreed with his politics I don't recall his children being the target of political questions.   #759   Jul 28, '16, 6:28 am Maximilan Kolbe Banned Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by ThinkingSapien As far as I can see your observations don't seem to contradict my understanding of the rule about leaving the children of presidents alone. When George W. was running his twin daughters would have been 19 years old. For his second election they would have been 23. While there were plenty of people that disagreed with his politics I don't recall his children being the target of political questions. Which I am okay with, but why are the questions asked of Ivanka and Tiffany legitimate but the same questions posed to Chelsea Clinton are said to be "out of line" and "off limits?" That's the point. Today, Chelsea is afforded a courtesy that is not extended to Trump's children.   #760   Jul 28, '16, 6:29 am 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S I didn't watch but I can only imagine the production as I have seen it before.The Dems as you said are all about appearance.They put on a good show ,beyond that they rarely follow through on their lofty promises.Somehow their base never seems to notice.Gotts wonder why that is. when Hillary came on stage after Obama's speech and pointed at him, there seemed to be a look between them - like she was realizing how Obama got her to this point. The meeting on the tarmac between Bill and Loretta Lynch, FBI director Comey laying out everything they found on Hillary related to her servers and e-mails and no charges. That look between them reeked of power and corruption. The cameras would pan once in awhile to Bernie-another fall guy. I just find it so scary how they see themselves as celebrities and can get up and ignore the real problems facing our country and paint such a rosy picture. These people are a real piece of work. Sad that this is what has become of the presidential office. Every time they showed Bill Clinton sitting in the audience, he appeared pompous. I find him so disgusting. I am not celebrating these people. Biden, Bloomberg, Obamas, Clintons are not heroes to me. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #761   Jul 28, '16, 6:29 am Avdima Junior Member Join Date: June 8, 2013 Posts: 259 Religion: In search of... Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by mary bobo Why, if it's true? How much history do you know about the building of the WH? And many more people besides slaves were involved in the building of the WH. Well for one its not true at all! And Bill O'Reilly's ill informed statement just underscores the racist leanings and ignorance of the those supporting Trump. If I said what O'Reilly said but in context of Jews during WWII. "Sure many Jews were sent to their deaths in gas chambers but Mr Hitler by the goodness of his heart at least gave them free transportation on trains so they were well taken good of."   #762   Jul 28, '16, 6:34 am Maximilan Kolbe Banned Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Avdima Well for one its not true at all! And Bill O'Reilly's ill informed statement just underscores the racist leanings and ignorance of the those supporting Trump. If I said what O'Reilly said but in context of Jews during WWII. "Sure many Jews were sent to their deaths in gas chambers but Mr Hitler by the goodness of his heart at least gave them free transportation on trains so they were well taken good of." Irrespective of any statement, this is one of the most ironic things I've read in a long time. Your perception of what one man says underscores the racism of an entirely separate group of people? Since when does anyone person's opinion speak to an entirely separate, disparate group of people? What you are essentially saying is no better than someone making the statement "you blacks are all the same." Come again? And people wonder why the country is more divided than ever...   #763   Jul 28, '16, 6:37 am 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Maximilan Kolbe Which I am okay with, but why are the questions asked of Ivanka and Tiffany legitimate but the same questions posed to Chelsea Clinton are said to be "out of line" and "off limits?" That's the point. Today, Chelsea is afforded a courtesy that is not extended to Trump's children. because she is like royalty. I noticed how her husband kept staring at her throughout her Dad's speech wanting to share a moment with her. She totally ignored him! Poor guy. It was sad to watch. He wasn't there last night. With Chelsea, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Being a Clinton is a business and don't stand in their way. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #764   Jul 28, '16, 6:38 am gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by mary bobo Why, if it's true? How much history do you know about the building of the WH? And many more people besides slaves were involved in the building of the WH. Slaves were used to build the White House and the Capital building. That is history. Washington DC was located in the South and slaves were common there at the time and a lot of unskilled labor was performed by slaves. Keep in mind, this wasn't unusual for the time and place, and many of the presidents were themselves slave owners. I don't know why this is coming as a surprise, and Mr. O'Reilly should apologize for what he said. Here is some history: The D.C. commissioners, charged by Congress with building the new city under the direction of the president, initially planned to import workers from Europe to meet their labor needs. However, response to recruitment was dismal and soon they turned to African American—enslaved and free—to provide the bulk of labor that built the White House, the United States Capitol, and other early government buildings. Stonemason Collen Williamson trained enslaved people on the spot at the government's quarry at Aquia, Virginia. Enslaved people quarried and cut the rough stone that was later dressed and laid by Scottish masons to erect the walls of the President's House. The slaves joined a work force that included local white laborers and artisans from Maryland and Virginia, as well as immigrants from Ireland, Scotland, and other European nations. https://www.whitehousehistory.org/qu...he-white-house There is a picture there of payment to slave owners for the use of their slaves. __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #765   Jul 28, '16, 6:41 am mary bobo Veteran Member Forum Supporter Join Date: May 19, 2005 Posts: 10,618 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Avdima Well for one its not true at all! And Bill O'Reilly's ill informed statement just underscores the racist leanings and ignorance of the those supporting Trump. If I said what O'Reilly said but in context of Jews during WWII. "Sure many Jews were sent to their deaths in gas chambers but Mr Hitler by the goodness of his heart at least gave them free transportation on trains so they were well taken good of." And please give us some reference to your assertion that O'Reilly is ill-informed. He has written many books, non fiction, on a historical bent and he has a very well respected research partner. What research have you to offer us? __________________ Praying for all CAF intentions. Jul 28, '16, 7:00 am Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,411 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam Slaves were used to build the White House and the Capital building. That is history. Washington DC was located in the South and slaves were common there at the time and a lot of unskilled labor was performed by slaves. Keep in mind, this wasn't unusual for the time and place, and many of the presidents were themselves slave owners. I don't know why this is coming as a surprise, and Mr. O'Reilly should apologize for what he said. Here is some history: The D.C. commissioners, charged by Congress with building the new city under the direction of the president, initially planned to import workers from Europe to meet their labor needs. However, response to recruitment was dismal and soon they turned to African American—enslaved and free—to provide the bulk of labor that built the White House, the United States Capitol, and other early government buildings. Stonemason Collen Williamson trained enslaved people on the spot at the government's quarry at Aquia, Virginia. Enslaved people quarried and cut the rough stone that was later dressed and laid by Scottish masons to erect the walls of the President's House. The slaves joined a work force that included local white laborers and artisans from Maryland and Virginia, as well as immigrants from Ireland, Scotland, and other European nations. https://www.whitehousehistory.org/qu...he-white-house There is a picture there of payment to slave owners for the use of their slaves. Even if they were provided adequate housing and meals, it doesn't change that they were still slaves. They could not quit their job, they didn't get paid for their job, they could not make any decisions about their own lives. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #767   Jul 28, '16, 7:07 am zz912 Senior Member Join Date: September 11, 2009 Posts: 7,484 Religion: Catholic Since 4/3/10 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 You do realize that they are not the same set of emails? Clinton hasn't been Secretary of State for 3 years. The DNC leak is recent from only this past year. In fact it seems that the White House might have also been targeted. If this actually IS A Russian attack on US government servers, I don't have enough adjectives to describe the irresponsibility of aTrump's remarks and subsequent tweets. 1. His jab at Clinton assumes they already have the emails because she was using an unsecured server. He didn't cause that, she did. 2. What is dangerous or irresponsible about Russia releasing emails about yoga and wedding plans? That is what Clinton said was contained in those 30k emails. She didn't lie, did she?   #768   Jul 28, '16, 7:13 am mary bobo Veteran Member Forum Supporter Join Date: May 19, 2005 Posts: 10,618 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam Slaves were used to build the White House and the Capital building. That is history. Washington DC was located in the South and slaves were common there at the time and a lot of unskilled labor was performed by slaves. Keep in mind, this wasn't unusual for the time and place, and many of the presidents were themselves slave owners. I don't know why this is coming as a surprise, and Mr. O'Reilly should apologize for what he said. Here is some history: The D.C. commissioners, charged by Congress with building the new city under the direction of the president, initially planned to import workers from Europe to meet their labor needs. However, response to recruitment was dismal and soon they turned to African American—enslaved and free—to provide the bulk of labor that built the White House, the United States Capitol, and other early government buildings. Stonemason Collen Williamson trained enslaved people on the spot at the government's quarry at Aquia, Virginia. Enslaved people quarried and cut the rough stone that was later dressed and laid by Scottish masons to erect the walls of the President's House. The slaves joined a work force that included local white laborers and artisans from Maryland and Virginia, as well as immigrants from Ireland, Scotland, and other European nations. https://www.whitehousehistory.org/qu...he-white-house There is a picture there of payment to slave owners for the use of their slaves. If what you say is true, I think O'Reilly should apologize also. But what good does it do to keep repeating history as if it is the same today. None of us can go back and undo what is in the past and many of us did not even have relatives in this country at the time. The only thing this accomplishes, IMO, to stir the fires of racism and resentment. We'll never have a united country if we keep this up. __________________ Praying for all CAF intentions.   #769   Jul 28, '16, 7:22 am _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,523 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread This is getting some attention. A Bernie Sanders delegate named Jeff Day is "not 100% sure", but he is claiming there are paid seat fillers at the DNC: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...629282944&_rdr He could be wrong, but it's interesting because there was a ad on Craiglist that was looking for actors for the DNC, and it was looked at on Snopes and they couldn't verify its authenticity, whether it was fake or real. But the two things together... the ad and the delegate saying what he did, perhaps there are seat fillers? __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org   #770   Jul 28, '16, 7:24 am Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,805 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows when Hillary came on stage after Obama's speech and pointed at him, there seemed to be a look between them - like she was realizing how Obama got her to this point. The meeting on the tarmac between Bill and Loretta Lynch, FBI director Comey laying out everything they found on Hillary related to her servers and e-mails and no charges. That look between them reeked of power and corruption. The cameras would pan once in awhile to Bernie-another fall guy. I just find it so scary how they see themselves as celebrities and can get up and ignore the real problems facing our country and paint such a rosy picture. These people are a real piece of work. Sad that this is what has become of the presidential office. Every time they showed Bill Clinton sitting in the audience, he appeared pompous. I find him so disgusting. I am not celebrating these people. Biden, Bloomberg, Obamas, Clintons are not heroes to me. I agree with you entirely.That we as a nation have now devolved to this level.That the Clintons' are being held up and lauded as an awesome example of leadership,etc.all the while overlooking the corrupt nature of their politics and lives as a whole is stunning and frightening.Really the fix is in,I believe.Voting is just an exercise n futility,sorry to say.All those who gloat and gleefully praise and support the evil that pervades our nation will rue the day.Unfortunately they will take the rest of us down with them I weep for our nation and what it has become.   #771   Jul 28, '16, 7:26 am ARSpade Regular Member Join Date: April 2, 2013 Posts: 991 Religion: RC Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 You do realize that they are not the same set of emails? Clinton hasn't been Secretary of State for 3 years. The DNC leak is recent from only this past year. In fact it seems that the White House might have also been targeted. If this actually IS A Russian attack on US government servers, I don't have enough adjectives to describe the irresponsibility of aTrump's remarks and subsequent tweets. It can't be an attack on US government servers as Hillary's emails were on a private server. __________________ My conscience said whatever I posted is fine for a Catholic. Don't violate my conscience, bro. "God take away your alms. For as you live by charity, so do I by war, and to me it is as genuine a vocation as yours.” – Sir John Hawkwood   #772   Jul 28, '16, 7:38 am qui est ce Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Join Date: July 5, 2005 Posts: 13,285 Religion: Catholic Christian Latin Rite Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob Any thread on politics is not complete without at least a half-dozen digs at Fox News. Sorry, that's "Faux News." __________________ Christine   #773   Jul 28, '16, 7:40 am queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by ARSpade It can't be an attack on US government servers as Hillary's emails were on a private server. And it can't be an attack on US government if the 30000 deleted emails were about hillary's yoga lessons and chelsea's wedding plans.   #774   Jul 28, '16, 7:42 am tomarin Senior Member Join Date: April 25, 2007 Posts: 7,538 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by ARSpade It can't be an attack on US government servers as Hillary's emails were on a private server. The press is making such a big deal out of Trump's comments; but I see them as a sort of joke. As if he is saying 'oh you think the Russians released these DNC hacked emails to help me? Well if the Russians are so powerful why don't they find the emails Hillary deleted from her private server that she kept in violation of State Department regulations?' It works for him because it keeps the (Hillary) email story alive and in the public's mind. Although I find Trump to be a self-involved charlatan the relentless water-carrying the media does for Hillary makes me want her to lose the election. __________________ If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand wither, let my tongue cleave to my palate if I do not remember you -- Psalm 137   #775   Jul 28, '16, 7:43 am TobyLue Regular Member Join Date: August 3, 2004 Posts: 1,172 Religion: Proud to be Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Every time they showed Bill Clinton sitting in the audience, he appeared pompous. I find him so disgusting. I am not celebrating these people. Biden, Bloomberg, Obamas, Clintons are not heroes to me. I agree with this however, add the names of Pelosi and a "new hero" a "devout" Catholic (in name only is my reply)Tim Kaine. Question: Why are the Democrats ready to have a cow because of what Trump said regarding HRC e-mail. If they had nothing to do with classified material and were nothing but Yoga and Chelsea's wedding, then that would NOT be anything but a bit of . Besides Trump was talking about e-mails that were deleted from a server that no longer exists. So how can the Russians hack a server that does no exist? Apparently, HRC and the Demorats are worried that there may be things that will really incriminate Hillary. __________________ Matthew 6:25-34   #776   Jul 28, '16, 7:44 am TobyLue Regular Member Join Date: August 3, 2004 Posts: 1,172 Religion: Proud to be Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Correction - Democrats not Demorats - Pardon the faux pas. But hey, I think it fits. __________________ Matthew 6:25-34   #777   Jul 28, '16, 7:44 am Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,411 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by ARSpade It can't be an attack on US government servers as Hillary's emails were on a private server. I am referring to the recent DNC hack. I thought I was clear. I still think Trump was irresponsible. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #778   Jul 28, '16, 7:49 am tomarin Senior Member Join Date: April 25, 2007 Posts: 7,538 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by TobyLue Correction - Democrats not Demorats - Pardon the faux pas. But hey, I think it fits. Careful, Toby - you're not supposed to alter the names of political parties per forum rules. __________________ If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand wither, let my tongue cleave to my palate if I do not remember you -- Psalm 137   #779   Jul 28, '16, 8:27 am jcwit Banned Join Date: November 13, 2015 Posts: 139 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by tomarin Careful, Toby - you're not supposed to alter the names of political parties per forum rules. May well be against the rules, but I think it fits.   #780   Jul 28, '16, 8:29 am jcwit Banned Join Date: November 13, 2015 Posts: 139 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread I'll say it again, this is a Catholic Forum, most menbers are Catholic, and yet they support a person and a party that supports abortion. The logic here is beyond being foolish! Jul 28, '16, 8:36 am ThinkingSapien Regular Member Join Date: July 15, 2011 Posts: 4,506 Religion: I'm a Software Engineer :) 😊 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Maximilan Kolbe Which I am okay with, but why are the questions asked of Ivanka and Tiffany legitimate but the same questions posed to Chelsea Clinton are said to be "out of line" and "off limits?" Per the rule they've got the benefit of being children of a president. As of yet Trump's offspring don't have that benefit. Quote: Originally Posted by Maximilan Kolbe That's the point. Today, Chelsea is afforded a courtesy that is not extended to Trump's children. Yes, they don't have President's kid status. Now if Chelsea were to take a position in a political office she might find that the privilege of the rule no longer extends.   #782   Jul 28, '16, 8:37 am jcwit Banned Join Date: November 13, 2015 Posts: 139 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread How can you people ignore what Marcus Luttrell has to say! After all he was there, in the battles!   #783   Jul 28, '16, 8:40 am ThinkingSapien Regular Member Join Date: July 15, 2011 Posts: 4,506 Religion: I'm a Software Engineer :) 😊 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by jcwit I'll say it again, this is a Catholic Forum, most menbers are Catholic, and yet they support a person and a party that supports abortion. The logic here is beyond being foolish! IT seems that people are motivated by more than one issue. In another thread I had wondered if abortion was even a top-5 issue for voters as I speculated they are motivated by many other issues. The response I got back follows. Quote: Originally Posted by Padres1969 You'd be correct. It's also not in the top 5 for Republicans as well. In fact among the "important issues" it's one of the least important for both parties.   #784   Jul 28, '16, 8:45 am Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows the whole evening was like a Hollywood production of how wonderful we all are and patting each other on the back. packed full of emotion. everything sounded good, but was just a load of horse apples if you know what I mean. I was not impressed with Tim Kaine at all. Too bad he hooked up with Hillary. he looks like a good fall guy. anyhow, these people are a joke. Democrats Seize the Optimism Trump Surrendered July 28, 2016By Taegan Goddard75 Comments First Read: “As soon as President Obama finished his speech here Wednesday night, it was immediately clear that Donald Trump and Republicans made a fundamental mistake by abandoning a hopeful, optimistic message in Cleveland. And Obama and the Democrats seized that message.” Noted former George W. Bush spokesman Tony Fratto: “Watching Democrats talk about America the way Republican candidates used to talk about America.” “Oof. Over the last seven and a half years, Republicans have criticized Obama for not believing in American exceptionalism. But last night, Obama and the Democrats owned the optimistic message about the country.” https://politicalwire.com/2016/07/28...p-surrendered/   #785   Jul 28, '16, 8:47 am stevegravy Regular Member Join Date: October 18, 2007 Posts: 2,603 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread The more I read Scott Adams the more I come around to his proposition that people are not motivated by reason but by emotion and how they can twist reality, whatever that is, to fit their image of the movie running in their head. So I am starting to believe they emote and then find the justification they need to justify what they do. Enjoy your vote, it is meaningless really.   #786   Jul 28, '16, 9:00 am Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by stevegravy The more I read Scott Adams the more I come around to his proposition that people are not motivated by reason but by emotion and how they can twist reality, whatever that is, to fit their image of the movie running in their head. So I am starting to believe they emote and then find the justification they need to justify what they do. Enjoy your vote, it is meaningless really. Summer 2002: Bush Advisor: We Say What Reality IsEdit event Reporter and author Ron Suskind meets with a unnamed senior adviser to Bush, who complains to Suskind about an article he recently wrote in Esquire magazine about Bush’s communications director, Karen Hughes. In spite of his displeasure, the senior advisor says, boastfully: Guys like you are “in what we call the reality-based community”—people who “believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality. That’s not the way the world really works anymore. We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors… and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.” [NEW YORK TIMES MAGAZINE, 10/17/2004] Entity Tags: Ron Suskind, Karen Hughes Timeline Tags: Complete 911 Timeline, Events Leading to Iraq Invasion, Domestic Propaganda   #787   Jul 28, '16, 9:02 am TobyLue Regular Member Join Date: August 3, 2004 Posts: 1,172 Religion: Proud to be Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread jcwit Quote: I'll say it again, this is a Catholic Forum, most menbers are Catholic, and yet they support a person and a party that supports abortion. The logic here is beyond being foolish! Oh come on now jcwit! Don't be so hard on them!! Many Catholics are vehemently opposed to abortion (they would never be involved in one) as I'm sure the majority of Catholics here are. However, why should Catholics deny women the right to choose for themselves. Which means they cannot stand in the way of a woman butchering, murdering, maiming to death a poor innocent child. Or maybe they think it's not a child but just a glob of cells, as many have been led to believe. Oh,,, wait your right - it is foolish!! Reminds me of the old Hogan's Hero's character Sgt. Schultz. "I see nothing....... I know nothing......" Many will claim ignorance when meeting the Lord, but I'm sure He will tolerate ignorance only to a point. Imagine, if all Catholic voters would vote against the party that promotes gay marriages, abortion on demand (and now wants to abolish the Hyde Amendment which the "devout" Catholic Kaine agrees to do), embryonic stem cell research, etc. etc., this election would have been over by now. __________________ Matthew 6:25-34   #788   Jul 28, '16, 9:32 am 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S I agree with you entirely.That we as a nation have now devolved to this level.That the Clintons' are being held up and lauded as an awesome example of leadership,etc.all the while overlooking the corrupt nature of their politics and lives as a whole is stunning and frightening.Really the fix is in,I believe.Voting is just an exercise n futility,sorry to say.All those who gloat and gleefully praise and support the evil that pervades our nation will rue the day.Unfortunately they will take the rest of us down with them I weep for our nation and what it has become. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #789   Jul 28, '16, 9:37 am Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,805 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings Democrats Seize the Optimism Trump Surrendered July 28, 2016By Taegan Goddard75 Comments First Read: “As soon as President Obama finished his speech here Wednesday night, it was immediately clear that Donald Trump and Republicans made a fundamental mistake by abandoning a hopeful, optimistic message in Cleveland. And Obama and the Democrats seized that message.” Noted former George W. Bush spokesman Tony Fratto: “Watching Democrats talk about America the way Republican candidates used to talk about America.” “Oof. Over the last seven and a half years, Republicans have criticized Obama for not believing in American exceptionalism. But last night, Obama and the Democrats owned the optimistic message about the country.” https://politicalwire.com/2016/07/28...p-surrendered/ This proves my assertion that for Dems perception is reality.They decided to paint a glowing picture of America while at the same time undermining everything this country stands for.That anyone would by their fantasy is more yelling of those who support the Dems than the actual politicians themselves   #790   Jul 28, '16, 9:48 am 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by stevegravy The more I read Scott Adams the more I come around to his proposition that people are not motivated by reason but by emotion and how they can twist reality, whatever that is, to fit their image of the movie running in their head. So I am starting to believe they emote and then find the justification they need to justify what they do. Enjoy your vote, it is meaningless really. the whole democrat convention has been about emotion. unfortunately, they are out of touch with the reality of the last 8 years. Have Michelle and Obama held press conferences or talked about how great America is until this week? I have heard Obama apologizing for America. We have had weak leadership for 8 years so for Obama and Michelle to suddenly come out about patriotism is a little hypocritical. They realize what is at stake if Hillary loses. They are desperate that the Obama legacy move forward and not be forgotten. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #791   Jul 28, '16, 10:02 am 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread the democrats are playing the Americans like a violin. we should all feel insulted. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #792   Jul 28, '16, 10:08 am Songcatcher Junior Member Join Date: August 13, 2015 Posts: 447 Religion: Lutheran/RCIA Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Tonight's schedule: 6:00 - 10:00 PM (EDT) Musical Performance: Carole King U.S. Representative James Clyburn (South Carolina) Hillary for America Director of States and Political Engagement Marlon Marshall House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi U.S. Senator Barbara Mikulski and the Democratic Women of the Senate Hillary for America Latino Vote Director Lorella Praeli U.S. Representative Joaquin Castro (Texas) Musical Performance: Sheila E + Family New York Governor Andrew Cuomo Stronger Together: An Economy That Works For All U.S. Representative Tim Ryan (Ohio) Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper Introduction of Speakers: Ted Danson & Mary Steenburgen Henrietta Ivey Dave Wills Beth Mathias Jensen Walcott & Jake Reed Pennsylvania Governor Tom Wolf Former Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm Stronger Together: Americans for Hillary Doug Elmets Former Reagan Administration official Jennifer Pierotti Lim Director of Health Policy, U.S. Chamber of Commerce & Co-Founder of Republican Women for Hillary Stronger Together: Tribute to Fallen Law Enforcement Officers Dallas Sheriff Lupe Valdez Jennifer Loudon, Wayne Walker, Wayne Owens, Barbara Owens Family members of fallen law enforcement officers Stronger Together: An Inclusive America Reverend William Barber Introduction of Film: Kareem Abdul-Jabaar Khizr Khan Khizr Khan's son, Humayun S. M. Khan was a University of Virginia graduate and enlisted in the U.S. Army. Khan was one of 14 American Muslims who died serving the United States in the ten years after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. Stronger Together: Supporting Our Military U.S. Representative Ted Lieu (California) General John Allen (ret. USMC), former Commander, International Security Assistance Forces, and Commander, United States Forces - Afghanistan Florent Groberg Retired U.S. Army Captain Florent "Flo" Groberg was awarded the Medal of Honor, the nation's top award for valor in combat, by President Obama after serving in Afghanistan. Chloe Grace Moretz, actress U.S. Representative Xavier Becerra (California) U.S. Senator Sherrod Brown (Ohio) Musical Performance: Katy Perry 10:00 - 11:00 PM (EDT) Introduction of Hillary Clinton Chelsea Clinton Remarks Hillary Clinton* Benediction Reverend Bill Shillady   #793   Jul 28, '16, 10:24 am Michael Mayo Regular Member Join Date: March 7, 2012 Posts: 4,901 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows the democrats are playing the Americans like a violin. we should all feel insulted. Not insulted, ashamed. Both the GOP and DNC nominees are a reflection of the American people, like it or not. We put them there. __________________ “Lord, I have let myself be deceived; in a thousand ways I have shunned your love, yet here I am once more, to renew my covenant with you. I need you. Save me once again, Lord, take me once more into your redeeming embrace”. - Pope Francis   #794   Jul 28, '16, 10:36 am TobyLue Regular Member Join Date: August 3, 2004 Posts: 1,172 Religion: Proud to be Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread The list of "Importance of Campaign issued by party" does not break it down as to how many of those polled are Catholic. I know of some priests saying that its OK to vote for a pro-abortion candidate if in your conscience you believe other things have equal weight, like the debt, poverty, immigration and I believe that is why many, many Catholics will vote for Democratic candidates. However, I believe that Catholics should be guided by a well-formed conscience and understand that not all issues carry he same moral weight like, does abortion carry the same weight as the debt, or immigration? I believe that intrinsic evils carry more weight than immigration, or the debt or how to take care of the poor. Those things can be negotiated but you can't negotiate an abortion. All abortions kill while taking are of the poor in different ways does not. How can many in good conscience ignore those things that are evil in and of themselves,. If some were to say that the best way to take care of the poor is leave them outside and let them die, that would be evil. But I may want to give them beans, you may want to give them rice, or someone else may want to give them a gift card to Red Lobster; those things can be negotiated. So for Catholics to say that they oppose abortion but believe in the woman's right to choose apparently have not formed a correct conscience because they rather brush aside intrinsic evils and vote for other things. Sure, other things are important but as the Declaration of Independence says in part "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness". So we are all created by God and that truth is self-evident and ALL are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights." Notice that the first one is "Life". How can we fight for the poor, immigration, debt, etc. when life is snuffed out in the womb and never given a chance for liberty and to pursue happiness. That child is never given a chance to immigrate, to live in poverty with a chance to get out of poverty. To be able to afford good health-care, play and laugh as a child, and be held in the arms of their mother and father, to be cuddled, to be tickled, go to school, have children of their own. In other words, the best way some think to avoid poverty is NOT to exist. God is the author of life and death, NOT the supreme court. Sorry if I'm venting but personally, (again me personally) am sick and tired of Catholics going out en masse and pulling one lever for all Democrats. I know, I have lived it and see it in my parish and I used to do that because as Hispanics, we MUST vote against the evil republicans because they are for the rich with complete disregard to the evils of abortion, gay marriages, etc. All my family members from both sides, feel the say way but unfortunately many people prefer to remain ignorant. __________________ Matthew 6:25-34   #795   Jul 28, '16, 10:37 am queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Michael Mayo Not insulted, ashamed. Both the GOP and DNC nominees are a reflection of the American people, like it or not. We put them there. Are you saying you are ashamed of the whole country, for either voting for hillary, voting for trump, or staying home? I'm not ashamed of America or americans no matter how they vote. I do find certain politicians very shameful. In today's age it's quite easy to mislead voters especially if you have the media on your side. There is always hope for change, though, if God gives us the grace. Jul 28, '16, 10:54 am Ridgerunner Forum Elder   Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,710 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Michael Mayo Not insulted, ashamed. Both the GOP and DNC nominees are a reflection of the American people, like it or not. We put them there. I'll agree that the people selected Trump, and it was because of their anger at other Repubs for going along with the Obama agenda. But I don't think one can rightly say "the people" selected Hillary Clinton, though one can say her party did.   #797   Jul 28, '16, 11:16 am LeafByNiggle Veteran Member   Join Date: December 5, 2010 Posts: 10,582 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Ridgerunner I'll agree that the people selected Trump, and it was because of their anger at other Repubs for going along with the Obama agenda. But I don't think one can rightly say "the people" selected Hillary Clinton, though one can say her party did. Do you think primary votes for Hillary are any less representative of the people who cast them than primary votes for Trump?   #798   Jul 28, '16, 11:33 am Jeanne S Veteran Member   Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,805 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows the democrats are playing the Americans like a violin. we should all feel insulted. Well some of us are   #799   Jul 28, '16, 11:41 am Thorolfr Regular Member   Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows the democrats are playing the Americans like a violin. we should all feel insulted. And of course Republicans would never do anything at all like this with their doom and gloom convention intended to turn the American public into a mass of quivering jelly that will look to Mr. Trump to save them, all replete with a stage festooned with American flags and Mr. Trump wearing his obligatory flag pin.   #800   Jul 28, '16, 11:42 am adowcday Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: September 29, 2007 Posts: 594 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S This proves my assertion that for Dems perception is reality.They decided to paint a glowing picture of America while at the same time undermining everything this country stands for.That anyone would by their fantasy is more yelling of those who support the Dems than the actual politicians themselves Do you recall Reagan's "morning in America" and George H.W. Bush's "thousand points of light"? Trump and the RNC pushed a message of fear, suspicion and hatred and presented Donald Trump as the one strongman who can lead us in the wilderness. Any wonder that the Democrats rejected that dystopian message, showing that it was not factually based, and presented a more optimistic view of our country and the world? Both sides were painting a picture that appealed to the emotions. Obama presided over a recovery from the worst economic disaster this country has faced since the 1930s. He gets to point that out. Moreover, despite GOP fear-mongering, over the course of the Obama presidency, illegal immigration, police deaths, and violent crime is down. He also gets to point that out (and to point out that the GOP is presenting a very misleading picture about these issues). Not the message that Trump supporters want to hear, but it's closer to the truth than the dystopian message presented at the Republican National Convention.   #801   Jul 28, '16, 11:47 am stevegravy Regular Member   Join Date: October 18, 2007 Posts: 2,603 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by adowcday Do you recall Reagan's "morning in America" and George H.W. Bush's "thousand points of light"? Trump and the RNC pushed a message of fear, suspicion and hatred and presented Donald Trump as the one strongman who can lead us in the wilderness. Any wonder that the Democrats rejected that dystopian message, showing that it was not factually based, and presented a more optimistic view of our country and the world? Both sides were painting a picture that appealed to the emotions. Obama presided over a recovery from the worst economic disaster this country has faced since the 1930s. He gets to point that out. Moreover, despite GOP fear-mongering, over the course of the Obama presidency, illegal immigration, police deaths, and violent crime is down. He also gets to point that out (and to point out that the GOP is presenting a very misleading picture about these issues). Not the message that Trump supporters want to hear, but it's closer to the truth than the dystopian message presented at the Republican National Convention. Me thinks this is really wrong by every statistic available. Besides we know Obama lies like a rug and will say anything he wants and no one will call him on it.   #802   Jul 28, '16, 11:49 am LeafByNiggle Veteran Member   Join Date: December 5, 2010 Posts: 10,582 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by stevegravy Me thinks this is really wrong by every statistic available. Do you have a source for those statistics?   #803   Jul 28, '16, 11:56 am adowcday Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: September 29, 2007 Posts: 594 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows the whole democrat convention has been about emotion. unfortunately, they are out of touch with the reality of the last 8 years. Have Michelle and Obama held press conferences or talked about how great America is until this week? I have heard Obama apologizing for America. We have had weak leadership for 8 years so for Obama and Michelle to suddenly come out about patriotism is a little hypocritical. They realize what is at stake if Hillary loses. They are desperate that the Obama legacy move forward and not be forgotten. Actually, they did speak about how great America is and did so repeatedly. Maybe you weren't following their speeches because their message didn't line up with what you are hearing from Fox News or the right wing talking heads? Here's a link to a speech he gave on patriotism in 2008: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/...sm-speech.html Here's a link to his speech at the 2016 DNC: http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...nap-story.html Here's a sample from his speech last night at the DNC: America is already great. America is already strong. And I promise you, our strength, our greatness, does not depend on Donald Trump. In fact, it doesn’t depend on any one person. And that, in the end, may be the biggest difference in this election -- the meaning of our democracy. Ronald Reagan called America “a shining city on a hill.” Donald Trump calls it “a divided crime scene” that only he can fix. It doesn’t matter to him that illegal immigration and the crime rate are as low as they’ve been in decades -- because he’s not actually offering any real solutions to those issues. He’s just offering slogans, and he’s offering fear. He’s betting that if he scares enough people, he might score just enough votes to win this election. And that's another bet that Donald Trump will lose. And the reason he'll lose it is because he’s selling the American people short. We're not a fragile people. We're not a frightful people. Our power doesn’t come from some self-declared savior promising that he alone can restore order as long as we do things his way. We don’t look to be ruled. Our power comes from those immortal declarations first put to paper right here in Philadelphia all those years ago: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that We the People, can form a more perfect union. That's who we are. That’s our birthright -- the capacity to shape our own destiny. That’s what drove patriots to choose revolution over tyranny and our GIs to liberate a continent. It’s what gave women the courage to reach for the ballot, and marchers to cross a bridge in Selma, and workers to organize and fight for collective bargaining and better wages. There are many, many other examples of his extolling the strengths and virtues of America and its people. The right wing narrative that Obama does not love and appreciate this country is a slander and a lie. The GOP has no monopoly on patriotism and love of country.   #804   Jul 28, '16, 11:58 am adowcday Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: September 29, 2007 Posts: 594 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by stevegravy Me thinks this is really wrong by every statistic available. Besides we know Obama lies like a rug and will say anything he wants and no one will call him on it. Yeah, the facts support my statement. You are welcome to prove otherwise.   #805   Jul 28, '16, 12:09 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member   Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,805 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by adowcday Do you recall Reagan's "morning in America" and George H.W. Bush's "thousand points of light"? Trump and the RNC pushed a message of fear, suspicion and hatred and presented Donald Trump as the one strongman who can lead us in the wilderness. Any wonder that the Democrats rejected that dystopian message, showing that it was not factually based, and presented a more optimistic view of our country and the world? Both sides were painting a picture that appealed to the emotions. Obama presided over a recovery from the worst economic disaster this country has faced since the 1930s. He gets to point that out. Moreover, despite GOP fear-mongering, over the course of the Obama presidency, illegal immigration, police deaths, and violent crime is down. He also gets to point that out (and to point out that the GOP is presenting a very misleading picture about these issues). Not the message that Trump supporters want to hear, but it's closer to the truth than the dystopian message presented at the Republican National Convention. Give me a list of facts re the state of our nation as it has been under Obama's tenure where the glowing roses image depicted by the Dems aligns with the reality all of our nation right now ? Stick g our heads in the sand ignoring the very real concerns isn't going to make those concerns dissapear.   #806   Jul 28, '16, 12:15 pm Maximilan Kolbe Banned   Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by adowcday Actually, they did speak about how great America is and did so repeatedly. Maybe you weren't following their speeches because their message didn't line up with what you are hearing from Fox News or the right wing talking heads? Here's a link to a speech he gave on patriotism in 2008: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/...sm-speech.html Here's a link to his speech at the 2016 DNC: http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...nap-story.html Here's a sample from his speech last night at the DNC: America is already great. America is already strong. And I promise you, our strength, our greatness, does not depend on Donald Trump. In fact, it doesn’t depend on any one person. And that, in the end, may be the biggest difference in this election -- the meaning of our democracy. Ronald Reagan called America “a shining city on a hill.” Donald Trump calls it “a divided crime scene” that only he can fix. It doesn’t matter to him that illegal immigration and the crime rate are as low as they’ve been in decades -- because he’s not actually offering any real solutions to those issues. He’s just offering slogans, and he’s offering fear. He’s betting that if he scares enough people, he might score just enough votes to win this election. And that's another bet that Donald Trump will lose. And the reason he'll lose it is because he’s selling the American people short. We're not a fragile people. We're not a frightful people. Our power doesn’t come from some self-declared savior promising that he alone can restore order as long as we do things his way. We don’t look to be ruled. Our power comes from those immortal declarations first put to paper right here in Philadelphia all those years ago: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that We the People, can form a more perfect union. That's who we are. That’s our birthright -- the capacity to shape our own destiny. That’s what drove patriots to choose revolution over tyranny and our GIs to liberate a continent. It’s what gave women the courage to reach for the ballot, and marchers to cross a bridge in Selma, and workers to organize and fight for collective bargaining and better wages. There are many, many other examples of his extolling the strengths and virtues of America and its people. The right wing narrative that Obama does not love and appreciate this country is a slander and a lie. The GOP has no monopoly on patriotism and love of country. Of course Reagan was running for his second term, and Bush was running off of Reagan. Always different than the message you paint when you are trying to seize back power from the opposing incumbent party. I thought Trump's message was eminently positive. He spoke of the problems we have, but talked about how he would help fix them. Whether you believe him or not is one thing, but that is always what I expect from the opposing party's speeches. And his speech was by all accounts extremely well received, so this notion of dark and dystopian clearly didn't reach the viewers in a bad way. I think that is just the current theme for anyone who is happy with the last 8 years. Any portrayal of problems is described as negative, dark, and gloomy. That's silly. That's how half the country (if not more) feels; that we can do better in a lot of areas.   #807   Jul 28, '16, 12:17 pm adowcday Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: September 29, 2007 Posts: 594 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Illegal immigration: Since Obama took office, the number of immigrants caught trying to enter the U.S. illegally has dropped 53 percent. (For more details, see: http://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/oba...y-2016-update/) Police deaths: Annual fatality data compiled by the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund show that there have been an average of 135 police fatalities a year under President Obama, from 2009 to 2015, compared with 162 a year for the previous seven years, from 2002 to 2008. That’s a decline of 17 percent. (For more details, see: http://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/kil...-line-of-duty/) Violent crime: Violent crime rates in the U.S. have been dropping since the 1970s, a trend that has continued during the Obama administration. (For more details, see: http://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/due...n-crime-trend/) It's true! The facts have a liberal bias.   #808   Jul 28, '16, 12:19 pm adowcday Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: September 29, 2007 Posts: 594 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Maximilan Kolbe I thought Trump's message was eminently positive. He spoke of the problems we have, but talked about how he would help fix them. Trump said that he would fix America's problems and make us strong again, but I missed the part where he said how he was going to do this. I think the closest he came was "Trust me."   #809   Jul 28, '16, 12:20 pm AnnArbor Regular Member   Join Date: July 6, 2011 Posts: 710 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by stevegravy Me thinks this is really wrong by every statistic available. Besides we know Obama lies like a rug and will say anything he wants and no one will call him on it. No, it's correct by every statistic available. Violent crime is down. In 2014, the number of illegal immigrants had stabilized at 11 million over the course of the previous five years, down from its peak of 12 million at the end of the Bush administration. Regarding police being murdered in the line of duty, that number is statistically at about half of where it was in the 70s.   #810   Jul 28, '16, 12:20 pm Thorolfr Regular Member   Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Maximilan Kolbe I thought Trump's message was eminently positive. He spoke of the problems we have, but talked about how he would help fix them. What policies did he talk about to fix our problems aside from building a wall? A lot of his solutions seemed rather vague on specifics. ul 28, '16, 12:37 pm Robert Bay Moderator   Join Date: June 26, 2005 Posts: 32,570 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread MODERATOR WARNING This thread's topic is the charitable discussion of the Democratic Party Convention and Democratic candidates People who post uncharitably or about anything else will find their account suspended. __________________ Robert Bay, Moderator Forum Rules Never let evil talk pass your lips; say only the good things men need to hear, things that will really help them. (Ephesians 4:29) Moderator direction can be appealed by sending an email to: forumadmin@catholic.com   #812   Jul 28, '16, 12:42 pm adowcday Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: September 29, 2007 Posts: 594 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S Give me a list of facts re the state of our nation as it has been under Obama's tenure where the glowing roses image depicted by the Dems aligns with the reality all of our nation right now ? Stick g our heads in the sand ignoring the very real concerns isn't going to make those concerns dissapear. Since President Barack Obama first took office: The economy has added more than 10 million jobs, and job openings are at a 15-year high. The unemployment rate has dropped well below the historical norm, but long-term unemployment remains higher than at the start of the Great Recession. The buying power of the average worker’s weekly paycheck is up 4.4 percent. Corporate profits are running 152 percent higher, and stock prices have soared. The number of immigrants caught trying to enter the U.S. illegally has dropped 53 percent. Federal debt has more than doubled, and annual deficits, after shrinking, are again on the rise. The home ownership rate has dropped by 4 percentage points. The number of Americans on food stamps is up 36 percent. Oil imports are down 53 percent, and wind and solar power have quadrupled. The number of people lacking health insurance has gone down by 15.2 million. (See http://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/oba...y-2016-update/ for details). There's a list of some of the facts, as compiled by FactCheck.org. Not all of the facts are rosy -- there's lots of room for improvement -- but there's lots for Democrats to point to as real progress since Obama took office in the midst of the Great Recession.   #813   Jul 28, '16, 12:44 pm Maximilan Kolbe Banned   Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr What policies did he talk about to fix our problems aside from building a wall? A lot of his solutions seemed rather vague on specifics. The argument was it was dark and dystopian. I simply argued that most seemed to find it inspiring, if judging my critical response and poll numbers. Anyone looking for policy specifics in a convention speech hasn't seen many convention speeches. Go to his website for that information.   #814   Jul 28, '16, 12:46 pm Maximilan Kolbe Banned   Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by adowcday Trump said that he would fix America's problems and make us strong again, but I missed the part where he said how he was going to do this. I think the closest he came was "Trust me." Is your argument that he was too vague, or that he was too gloomy? I am losing track.   #815   Jul 28, '16, 12:52 pm mary bobo Veteran Member Forum Supporter   Join Date: May 19, 2005 Posts: 10,618 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr What policies did he talk about to fix our problems aside from building a wall? A lot of his solutions seemed rather vague on specifics. I must have missed where Clinton gave us specifics other than to leave the impression that we would have Obama II. __________________ Praying for all CAF intentions.   #816   Jul 28, '16, 12:56 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member   Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,805 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by adowcday Since President Barack Obama first took office: The economy has added more than 10 million jobs, and job openings are at a 15-year high. The unemployment rate has dropped well below the historical norm, but long-term unemployment remains higher than at the start of the Great Recession. The buying power of the average worker’s weekly paycheck is up 4.4 percent. Corporate profits are running 152 percent higher, and stock prices have soared. The number of immigrants caught trying to enter the U.S. illegally has dropped 53 percent. Federal debt has more than doubled, and annual deficits, after shrinking, are again on the rise. The home ownership rate has dropped by 4 percentage points. The number of Americans on food stamps is up 36 percent. Oil imports are down 53 percent, and wind and solar power have quadrupled. The number of people lacking health insurance has gone down by 15.2 million. (See http://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/oba...y-2016-update/ for details). There's a list of some of the facts, as compiled by FactCheck.org. Not all of the facts are rosy -- there's lots of room for improvement -- but there's lots for Democrats to point to as real progress since Obama took office in the midst of the Great Recession. Most jobs created are partime and or gov't jobs which add nothing to the revenue   #817   Jul 28, '16, 1:06 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows the democrats are playing the Americans like a violin. we should all feel insulted. If the violin is a Stradivarius and the violinist is a Heifetz, I'm not offended.   #818   Jul 28, '16, 1:10 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by LeafByNiggle Do you think primary votes for Hillary are any less representative of the people who cast them than primary votes for Trump? I think the point is the Democrats didn't have as much of a choice with only, I believe, four candidates at the start and soon enough, only two from which to decide. Still, the majority chose Clinton over Sanders.   #819   Jul 28, '16, 1:10 pm Sy Noe Senior Member   Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Geist IMO it was extremely telling Democrats chose to showcase illegal aliens and the mothers of would-be cop killers. It's clear their priorities are not with the law abiding American populace, which is not shocking given the Democrat party is an organized crime ring masquerading as a political party (if their relationship with Planned Parenthood isn't textbook racketeering I don't know what is). You do realize the convention isn't over, right? Tonight on the final night they choose as you put it, "to showcase", family members of fallen law enforcement officers. http://fox8.com/2016/07/28/schedule-...tion-released/ __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #820   Jul 28, '16, 1:14 pm Sy Noe Senior Member   Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by mary bobo I must have missed where Clinton gave us specifics other than to leave the impression that we would have Obama II. Clinton hasn't given her convention speech yet which may be why you missed it. It's tonight. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #821   Jul 28, '16, 2:12 pm YADA Forum Supporter   Join Date: October 21, 2004 Posts: 4,884 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread There is unity in the Democratic party..at least among the high profile Catholics - they have all abandoned any efforts to defend the unborn, they support Planned Parenthood and NARAL 100% and deny many other tenets of their Catholic faith for the sake of the Party politics ....Kaine, Biden, Pelosi et Al ...they are 100% aligned - unified They won't lift one braincell to even contemplate the humanity of the unborn nor the inhumanity that doesn't recognize the horror of a child being ripped apart or poisoned in the one place they should be protected - their mothers womb. It's unity but at great cost ..to them for the harm this does to their immortal souls but also to our society and our Church for the bad example and scandal. __________________ Living the Journey, YADA Respect Christ - Vote Life   #822   Jul 28, '16, 2:22 pm Ridgerunner Forum Elder   Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,710 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by adowcday Since President Barack Obama first took office: The economy has added more than 10 million jobs, and job openings are at a 15-year high. The buying power of the average worker’s weekly paycheck is up 4.4 percent. Corporate profits are running 152 percent higher, and stock prices have soared. The number of immigrants caught trying to enter the U.S. illegally has dropped 53 percent. The number of people lacking health insurance has gone down by 15.2 million. (See http://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/oba...y-2016-update/ for details). There's a list of some of the facts, as compiled by FactCheck.org. Not all of the facts are rosy -- there's lots of room for improvement -- but there's lots for Democrats to point to as real progress since Obama took office in the midst of the Great Recession. I'm sure there is plenty to say about a number of them, but: -Border interceptions getting lower is not hard to achieve when you tell the Border Patrol not to intercept the intermittent floods of people. -If buying power is still lower than in the 1970s, spreading 4.4 percent over eight years is not impressive, if it's even true. And if, as we're assured constantly, all increases have been in the top 10% or so, it's worse than unimpressive. -If, as the CBO says, 17 million people were shoved onto Medicaid and 30 million remain uninsured from some number nobody really knew when Obamacare was passed, there isn't much to crow about in a 15 million "reduction-on-paper" in uninsured. The Medicaid additions alone are more than that. -Corporate profit increases s can be due to cost reductions through labor force reduction and moving facilities overseas. Unless one breaks down the sources of profit increases, this number means nothing. -And the stock market is buoyed by effectively zero interest rates and is a "trader's market" in a fairly narrow range. Retail (ordinary people) market trade is virtually dead. And while the market is near an all time high right now, it has been below the 2008 level at times in the last eight years, including in 2016. That fact alone should give one pause because the market was at nosebleed high levels right before the recession hit. Actual trading volume is much lower than in 2008.   #823   Jul 28, '16, 2:32 pm Ridgerunner Forum Elder   Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,710 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe Clinton hasn't given her convention speech yet which may be why you missed it. It's tonight. They'll want a full house for that, of course. Looks like they hired some replacements for the Sanders walkouts so it would be full and create the impression that the Sanders people were reconciled to the Clinton candidacy. Maybe we'll find out sometime how many Sanders supporters really bolted the convention and won't vote Clinton in November. http://www.infowars.com/bernie-deleg...te-fake-unity/   #824   Jul 28, '16, 3:24 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Songcatcher Tonight's schedule: 6:00 - 10:00 PM (EDT) Musical Performance: Carole King U.S. Representative James Clyburn (South Carolina) Hillary for America Director of States and Political Engagement Marlon Marshall House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi U.S. Senator Barbara Mikulski and the Democratic Women of the Senate Hillary for America Latino Vote Director Lorella Praeli U.S. Representative Joaquin Castro (Texas) Musical Performance: Sheila E + Family New York Governor Andrew Cuomo Stronger Together: An Economy That Works For All U.S. Representative Tim Ryan (Ohio) Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper Introduction of Speakers: Ted Danson & Mary Steenburgen Henrietta Ivey Dave Wills Beth Mathias Jensen Walcott & Jake Reed Pennsylvania Governor Tom Wolf Former Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm Stronger Together: Americans for Hillary Doug Elmets Former Reagan Administration official Jennifer Pierotti Lim Director of Health Policy, U.S. Chamber of Commerce & Co-Founder of Republican Women for Hillary Stronger Together: Tribute to Fallen Law Enforcement Officers Dallas Sheriff Lupe Valdez Jennifer Loudon, Wayne Walker, Wayne Owens, Barbara Owens Family members of fallen law enforcement officers Stronger Together: An Inclusive America Reverend William Barber Introduction of Film: Kareem Abdul-Jabaar Khizr Khan Khizr Khan's son, Humayun S. M. Khan was a University of Virginia graduate and enlisted in the U.S. Army. Khan was one of 14 American Muslims who died serving the United States in the ten years after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. Stronger Together: Supporting Our Military U.S. Representative Ted Lieu (California) General John Allen (ret. USMC), former Commander, International Security Assistance Forces, and Commander, United States Forces - Afghanistan Florent Groberg Retired U.S. Army Captain Florent "Flo" Groberg was awarded the Medal of Honor, the nation's top award for valor in combat, by President Obama after serving in Afghanistan. Chloe Grace Moretz, actress U.S. Representative Xavier Becerra (California) U.S. Senator Sherrod Brown (Ohio) Musical Performance: Katy Perry 10:00 - 11:00 PM (EDT) Introduction of Hillary Clinton Chelsea Clinton Remarks Hillary Clinton* Benediction Reverend Bill Shillady where is George Clooney, Ben Affleck, Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar? __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #825   Jul 28, '16, 3:25 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Geist A PAC affiliated with the Clinton campaign also pays people to say nice things about Hillary online. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/4...nternet-Trolls Hillarys grassroots support is about as genuine as astroturf. Her rallies are poorly attended too. All she has is Goldman Sachs cash. I really hope it's not enough. Where I live a Trump rally was announced on Saturday the 23rd to be held on Monday the 25th; with such short notice he still had hundreds who couldn't get in and waited in 100 degree weather for it. Trumps support is authentic at least. Attending a rally, even in the heat, does not necessarily mean one supports the candidate. I would like to attend a Trump rally because he is a charismatic speaker, although I have no intention of voting for him. (I once attended a Billy Graham rally for the same reason.) Others may attend because they are undecided. Still others may just be going along with a friend or family member for a day out. Or just for comic relief. We cannot assume large audiences mean everyone is a supporter.      Jul 28, '16, 3:29 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by adowcday Actually, they did speak about how great America is and did so repeatedly. Maybe you weren't following their speeches because their message didn't line up with what you are hearing from Fox News or the right wing talking heads? Here's a link to a speech he gave on patriotism in 2008: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/...sm-speech.html Here's a link to his speech at the 2016 DNC: http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...nap-story.html Here's a sample from his speech last night at the DNC: America is already great. America is already strong. And I promise you, our strength, our greatness, does not depend on Donald Trump. In fact, it doesn’t depend on any one person. And that, in the end, may be the biggest difference in this election -- the meaning of our democracy. Ronald Reagan called America “a shining city on a hill.” Donald Trump calls it “a divided crime scene” that only he can fix. It doesn’t matter to him that illegal immigration and the crime rate are as low as they’ve been in decades -- because he’s not actually offering any real solutions to those issues. He’s just offering slogans, and he’s offering fear. He’s betting that if he scares enough people, he might score just enough votes to win this election. And that's another bet that Donald Trump will lose. And the reason he'll lose it is because he’s selling the American people short. We're not a fragile people. We're not a frightful people. Our power doesn’t come from some self-declared savior promising that he alone can restore order as long as we do things his way. We don’t look to be ruled. Our power comes from those immortal declarations first put to paper right here in Philadelphia all those years ago: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that We the People, can form a more perfect union. That's who we are. That’s our birthright -- the capacity to shape our own destiny. That’s what drove patriots to choose revolution over tyranny and our GIs to liberate a continent. It’s what gave women the courage to reach for the ballot, and marchers to cross a bridge in Selma, and workers to organize and fight for collective bargaining and better wages. There are many, many other examples of his extolling the strengths and virtues of America and its people. The right wing narrative that Obama does not love and appreciate this country is a slander and a lie. The GOP has no monopoly on patriotism and love of country. you misunderstood my post. yes I heard their speeches last night proclaiming America's greatness, but for 8 years Obama has been apologizing for America. They waited until this week to say it, but I haven't heard much before now. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #827   Jul 28, '16, 3:30 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member   Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Democrats seek paid actors on Craigslist for DNC convention. We'll see some fake cheering tonight, provided Bernie fans have already been silenced or chased out and replaced by actors. http://dcwhispers.com/sad-dnc-advert...at-convention/   #828   Jul 28, '16, 3:32 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe Clinton hasn't given her convention speech yet which may be why you missed it. It's tonight. was she referring to Bill's speech? __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #829   Jul 28, '16, 3:32 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member   Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,805 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows you misunderstood my post. yes I heard their speeches last night proclaiming America's greatness, but for 8 years Obama has been apologizing for America. They waited until this week to say it, but I haven't heard much before now. Bingo! No doubt after Trump's reality check of a convention speech,the Dems reconnoitered and decided to focus on their new found love and admiration for our nation. How timely!   #830   Jul 28, '16, 3:39 pm gracepoole Senior Member   Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Democrats seek paid actors on Craigslist for DNC convention. We'll see some fake cheering tonight, provided Bernie fans have already been silenced or chased out and replaced by actors. http://dcwhispers.com/sad-dnc-advert...at-convention/ http://www.snopes.com/dnc-hiring-act...ace-delegates/   #831   Jul 28, '16, 3:45 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by gracepoole http://www.snopes.com/dnc-hiring-act...ace-delegates/ it says - unproven. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #832   Jul 28, '16, 3:49 pm gracepoole Senior Member   Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows it says - unproven. Yes. It says unproven.   #833   Jul 28, '16, 3:52 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by gracepoole Yes. It says unproven. the ad was placed but has not been traced back to the DNC. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #834   Jul 28, '16, 3:58 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,839 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy If the violin is a Stradivarius and the violinist is a Heifetz, I'm not offended. they had to pay Katy Perry, Carol King, Paul Simon, Alicia Keyes, so not enough left over for the Stradivarius. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #835   Jul 28, '16, 4:05 pm gracepoole Senior Member   Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows the ad was placed but has not been traced back to the DNC. Yes, this is what the Snopes article says... ?   #836   Jul 28, '16, 4:08 pm YADA Forum Supporter   Join Date: October 21, 2004 Posts: 4,884 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by YADA There is unity in the Democratic party..at least among the high profile Catholics - they have all abandoned any efforts to defend the unborn, they support Planned Parenthood and NARAL 100% and deny many other tenets of their Catholic faith for the sake of the Party politics ....Kaine, Biden, Pelosi et Al ...they are 100% aligned - unified They won't lift one braincell to even contemplate the humanity of the unborn nor the inhumanity that doesn't recognize the horror of a child being ripped apart or poisoned in the one place they should be protected - their mothers womb. It's unity but at great cost ..to them for the harm this does to their immortal souls but also to our society and our Church for the bad example and scandal. LETS CELEBRATE PARTY UNITY and the wonderful Active practicing serious Catholic Democratic Politicians - - What a great day to be a Catholic in America This is the Democratic Platform that Kaine has pledged to support along with VP Biden and Pelosi - this is what a vote for Hillary will gain the pro-abortion Catholic voters who celebrate the Democratic Party Quote: The 55-page platform promises Democrats officials will “stand up” for Planned Parenthood, fund abortion nationwide and around the world, “overturn” state and federal restrictions on abortion, and crank up the legal pressure against pro-life sidewalk counselors. __________________ Living the Journey, YADA Respect Christ - Vote Life   #837   Jul 28, '16, 4:10 pm dmelosi Regular Member   Join Date: July 17, 2004 Posts: 3,372 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Democrats boo vote to restore God http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/democrats...entioning-god/   #838   Jul 28, '16, 4:11 pm dmelosi Regular Member   Join Date: July 17, 2004 Posts: 3,372 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Democrats cheer when a speaker "shouts out her abortion" http://www.weeklystandard.com/dnc-sp...rticle/2003531   #839   Jul 28, '16, 4:11 pm Alex H Regular Member   Join Date: October 5, 2015 Posts: 623 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by dmelosi Democrats boo vote to restore God http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/democrats...entioning-god/ ..in 2012.   #840   Jul 28, '16, 4:52 pm TMC Senior Member   Join Date: October 15, 2007 Posts: 6,724 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Geist A PAC affiliated with the Clinton campaign also pays people to say nice things about Hillary online. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/4...nternet-Trolls Pretty sure Trump has one of those here on CAF. __________________ Who are you to pass judgment on someone else's servant? Romans 14:4       Jul 28, '16, 5:10 pm gracepoole Senior Member   Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by TMC Pretty sure Trump has one of those here on CAF.   #842   Jul 28, '16, 5:25 pm Ridgerunner Forum Elder   Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,710 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by TMC Pretty sure Trump has one of those here on CAF. Improbable. A businessman does not pay people to do what they would willingly do for free. That's basic.   #843   Jul 28, '16, 5:26 pm lmachine Regular Member   Join Date: March 8, 2016 Posts: 1,982 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by gracepoole http://www.snopes.com/dnc-hiring-act...ace-delegates/ Haha I heard about it but hadn't seen the ad. Let's just say it would be a big stretch to believe that's a real ad.   #844   Jul 28, '16, 5:27 pm Thorolfr Regular Member   Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread From today's Guardian: Quote: Aides are relieved that, despite fractious scenes involving supporters of Clinton’s former rival Bernie Sanders at the beginning of the week, the Democratic convention in Philadelphia has for once pulled bigger television audiences than Trump. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...eptance-speech   #845   Jul 28, '16, 5:55 pm Songcatcher Junior Member   Join Date: August 13, 2015 Posts: 447 Religion: Lutheran/RCIA Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr From today's Guardian: Quote: Aides are relieved that, despite fractious scenes involving supporters of Clinton’s former rival Bernie Sanders at the beginning of the week, the Democratic convention in Philadelphia has for once pulled bigger television audiences than Trump. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...eptance-speech Yes, I just saw that the DNC convention beat the RNC convention all three nights so far. Trump is so upset about the ratings that he's begging his supporters not to watch tonight. link link   #846   Jul 28, '16, 6:04 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member   Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread I watched GOP convention on cspan with no commercials. Cspan is not included in TV ratings analysis. Many trump supporters did the same or watched online streaming.   #847   Jul 28, '16, 6:04 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member   Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,805 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Songcatcher Yes, I just saw that the DNC convention beat the RNC convention all three nights so far. Trump is so upset about the ratings that he's begging his supporters not to watch tonight. link link He won't have to beg me,I haven't watched the Dem convention ,don't want to get a migraine   #848   Jul 28, '16, 6:12 pm Songcatcher Junior Member   Join Date: August 13, 2015 Posts: 447 Religion: Lutheran/RCIA Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv I watched GOP convention on cspan with no commercials. Cspan is not included in TV ratings analysis. Many trump supporters did the same or watched online streaming. I watched the GOP convention mostly on cable and network but I'm watching the DNC on CSpan. It's definitely better on CSpan without all the talking heads.   #849   Jul 28, '16, 6:15 pm Alex H Regular Member   Join Date: October 5, 2015 Posts: 623 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Songcatcher I watched the GOP convention mostly on cable and network but I'm watching the DNC on CSpan. It's definitely better on CSpan without all the talking heads. DirecTV has its own channel dedicated just to the conventions. No commentary, just a live feed from the convention floor. Its quite nice, actually. No commercials, no commentary, just the convention.   #850   Jul 28, '16, 6:18 pm Songcatcher Junior Member   Join Date: August 13, 2015 Posts: 447 Religion: Lutheran/RCIA Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Alex H DirecTV has its own channel dedicated just to the conventions. No commentary, just a live feed from the convention floor. Its quite nice, actually. No commercials, no commentary, just the convention. Thanks, Alex. I have DirecTV. I'll have to check that out.   #851   Jul 28, '16, 6:20 pm ThinkingSapien Regular Member   Join Date: July 15, 2011 Posts: 4,506 Religion: I'm a Software Engineer :) 😊 Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Geist A PAC affiliated with the Clinton campaign also pays people to say nice things about Hillary online. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/4...nternet-Trolls This sounds usual to me. I've seen companies do this or offer this as a part of their "Search Engine Optimization" services. I get parties offering to sell me these services for my web sites, and I've been asked to participate by way of expressing certain opinions in articles that I write on other topics. I think the article title might be a bit of a misnomer; people hired are not necessarily hired to be trolls. That's not to say that some of the hired people don't take that role. Social media is one of the ways that ideas and views are exchanged. I don't think there are very many forms and platforms for communication that don't also become platforms for advertising or attempting to sway opinions.   #852   Jul 28, '16, 6:52 pm Book Worm Regular Member   Join Date: July 10, 2013 Posts: 1,101 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv I watched GOP convention on cspan with no commercials. Cspan is not included in TV ratings analysis. Many trump supporters did the same or watched online streaming. Wouldn't the same be true of Democrats? Actually, among those I know, the D's are much more likely to watch C-Span than the R's.   #853   Jul 28, '16, 6:55 pm Book Worm Regular Member   Join Date: July 10, 2013 Posts: 1,101 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread I always find it disheartening when people brag about refusing to listen to the opinions of those who disagree with them and the reasons they hold their views.   #854   Jul 28, '16, 6:57 pm Thorolfr Regular Member   Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Book Worm I always find it disheartening when people brag about refusing to listen to the opinions of those who disagree with them and the reasons they hold their views. I agree. I watched the Republican convention and now I'm watching the Democratic convention.   #855   Jul 28, '16, 7:13 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member   Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: Democratic Party Convention General Thread Honest impression watching Chelsea: everyone including the audience but especially Chelsea is so robotic.