Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
The polls scare me. Perhaps HC will be indicted for perjury or some
other felonious act (there are many to choose from) and Trump will be
elected.
Thoughts?
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Indeed. And it doesn't even have to be a good answer for HRC's supporters to get behind it.
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The polls scare me. Perhaps HC will be
indicted for perjury or some other felonious act (there are many to
choose from) and Trump will be elected.
Thoughts?
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The attorney who was White House Counsel for Nixon, John Dean
gives a detailed account of the false charges against Hillary and the
distortions and lies they have been spreading to make them.
http://www.newsweek.com/squalid-case...-emails-492017
It is an abuse of power and their effort to criminalize politics could
one-day blowback on them and result in their going to jail on bogus
charges. They are employing a tactic that could undermine democracy, so
it is appropriate to get the facts out.
Unfortunately, to explain these seamy tactics takes a bit more space
than the normal column, but the facts need to be placed on the record.
Without understanding the underlying testimony involved, it is not
possible to appreciate the falsity and absurdity of the charges against
Mrs. Clinton. It is easy to call someone a liar or a perjurer. Not so
easy to unpack the charges.
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There has been a lot of coverage from the News Media of some extremists groups supporting Trump.
Communist Party USA has endorsed Hillary Clinton for the 2016 Election.
Zero coverage from the News Media about that; and no questions from the News Media asked to Hillary Clinton about it.
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This is where we need to be in the next 100 days and ongoing. To win a
landslide in this election, to defeat Trump and the Republicans is a
giant task. We are setting the bar high. We can do it if we stick
together . . .
The most persuasive argument to convince many working-class and
struggling people to register and to vote is a simple comparison of the
positions of Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. At stake is the existence
of a Department of Education, Environmental protection, voting rights,
union rights, immigrant rights, health and safety, abortion rights,
threat of nuclear war and the Supreme Court to name a few. The Voting
Rights decisions that just took place in the lower courts are just one
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http://www.cpusa.org/article/forward-to-defeat-trump/
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The leader of America's most prominent communist party credits Vermont
Sen. Bernie Sanders with helping usher socialism into the political
mainstream, but says it's essential to back Hillary Clinton if she
defeats Sanders in the Democratic presidential primary.
John Bachtell, national chairman of the Communist Party USA, says he
cast a ballot for Sanders in the Illinois primary in March, but that the
self-styled democratic socialist's loyal backers should temper their
criticism of Clinton as a warmongering Wall Street puppet.
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http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/...l-back-clinton
More about Communist Party USA: Former CPUSA Leader:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Davis
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This should surprise no one, particularly since the Dem party
rigged the outcome of whom they planned to nominate for their
party....Clinton. That tactic is a communist one.
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This should surprise no one, particularly
since the Dem party rigged the outcome of whom they planned to nominate
for their party....Clinton. That tactic is a communist one.
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That's the first time I've ever heard "campaigning and convincing
people to vote for you" described as "rigging the election". Clinton,
was, after all, the true choice of most of the democratic voters.
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That's the first time I've ever heard
"campaigning and convincing people to vote for you" described as
"rigging the election". Clinton, was, after all, the true choice of most
of the democratic voters.
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That's the first time I've ever heard
"campaigning and convincing people to vote for you" described as
"rigging the election". Clinton, was, after all, the true choice of most
of the democratic voters.
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That's the first time I've ever heard
"campaigning and convincing people to vote for you" described as
"rigging the election". Clinton, was, after all, the true choice of most
of the democratic voters.
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You obviously missed the scandal leading to the fixed outcome at
the Democratic convention guaranteeing a Clinton nomination. There's
plenty of coverage on the topic on the internet if you're interested.
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I'm not sure you understand the concept
of Big Brother from your response. A Catholic employer doesn't wish to
commit an evil act, so he doesn't include contraception and abortion in
the healthcare plan. That's it. Now if an employee goes to the pharmacy
and purchases contraception, he doesn't know about it. If he/she uses
said contraception, he doesn't know about it. He's not involved in it at
all. At no point is the government involved, so Big Brother is unaware
of all of this. Sounds ideal.
Now let's take your preferred method. A Catholic businessman doesn't
wish to commit evil, so he either has to cancel the health insurance
plan, or commit mortal sin by including such evils. He doesn't wish to,
but Big Brother is forcing him to commit evil.
Does this help explain what Big Brother is, and how your example doesn't make any sense?
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Not really because for instance if a physician prescribes a female
a contraceptive to treat a medical condition, that to me falls under
healthcare. And once she is in the privacy of her home, I still don't
see how we are going to know if the woman who is not of the Catholic
faith is using the covered item simply to avoid an unwanted pregnancy or
not. And while I understand the Catholic employer's religious view
about evil, an employer of the Jehovah Witness faith might likewise
believe blood transfusions are evil. I personally simply find it a
complicated area and not as black and white. But not being certain if
this topic falls under political candidates and campaigns and the
election, I can't keep discussing this with you due to the recent
political post limit the CAF "powers to be" have placed on it's
membership. My stats show this is only my 5th of 10 allotted posts
labelled today. Although some were about Louisiana. But I don't know
what a day constitutes on CAF, if a 24 hr period or the actual date or
day. And in what time zone the day is counted. I'm in the ET but CAF may
be in the PT. But I appreciate you trying to explain and you have done
so the Catholic view well. Thank you. Blessings!
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We fly to thy patronage, O holy Mother of God;
Despise not our petitions in our necessities, but deliver us always from all dangers,
O glorious and blessed Virgin.
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You obviously missed the scandal leading
to the fixed outcome at the Democratic convention guaranteeing a Clinton
nomination. There's plenty of coverage on the topic on the internet if
you're interested.
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I know about the claims and suspicions. I along know that even if
there was some rigging, HRC enjoys the support of Sanders, her only real
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I know about the claims and suspicions. I
along know that even if there was some rigging, HRC enjoys the support
of Sanders, her only real opponent.
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Correct and voters preferred her for the nomination over Bernie by
55% to 45% and by over 3.7 million votes. I don't know why people even
keep bringing up the claims.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...ote_count.html
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God of power and might, wisdom and justice,
through you authority is rightly administered,
laws are enacted, and judgment is decreed.
Assist with your spirit of counsel and fortitude
the President and other government leaders of these United
States.
May they always seek
the ways of righteousness, justice and mercy.
Grant that they may be enabled by your powerful protection
to lead our country with honesty and integrity.
We ask this through Christ our Lord.
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That's the first time I've ever heard
"campaigning and convincing people to vote for you" described as
"rigging the election". Clinton, was, after all, the true choice of most
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We'll never know that when it was rigged against Sanders, now will we?
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I know about the claims and suspicions. I
along know that even if there was some rigging, HRC enjoys the support
of Sanders, her only real opponent.
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You might not be aware that people lost their jobs over the scandal. They are more than merely claims and suspicions.
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It's not as if the Clinton Foundation is
unique in associating itself with countries that have serious human
rights problems. The US does this regularly, counting as major allies
countries with serious human rights abuses including Egypt, Israel,
Saudi Arabia, etc. On top of that, last year, Saudi Arabia was appointed
to oversee an important panel on the United Nation's Human Rights
Council.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...s-council.html
Or just last month: "British government refuses to rule out re-electing Saudi Arabia to UN human rights council"
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Not really because for instance if a
physician prescribes a female a contraceptive to treat a medical
condition, that to me falls under healthcare. And once she is in the
privacy of her home, I still don't see how we are going to know if the
woman who is not of the Catholic faith is using the covered item simply
to avoid an unwanted pregnancy or not. And while I understand the
Catholic employer's religious view about evil, an employer of the
Jehovah Witness faith might likewise believe blood transfusions are
evil. I personally simply find it a complicated area and not as black
and white. But not being certain if this topic falls under political
candidates and campaigns and the election, I can't keep discussing this
with you due to the recent political post limit the CAF "powers to be"
have placed on it's membership. My stats show this is only my 5th of 10
allotted posts labelled today. Although some were about Louisiana. But I
don't know what a day constitutes on CAF, if a 24 hr period or the
actual date or day. And in what time zone the day is counted. I'm in the
ET but CAF may be in the PT. But I appreciate you trying to explain and
you have done so the Catholic view well. Thank you. Blessings!
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1. The employer is not stopping the employee from purchasing the
contraceptive. They aren't expensive. She can buy it and use it in
privacy and the employer doesn't even know.
2. If a JW wants to not include blood transfusions in their company
insurance policy, I fully support them. Employees and potential
employees should be made aware of such a lack of coverage, and if they
choose to continue working there, they accept the terms of employment. I
personally wouldn't choose to work there, all things being equal. But
others may. If the JW business doesn't find enough workers, they'll have
to increase pay to offset this lack of coverage for employees.
Again, this is what freedom looks like. The freedom to make choices, even ones you disagree with.
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Many donors to Clinton Foundation met with her at State
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More than half the people outside the government who met with Hillary
Clinton while she was secretary of state gave money - either personally
or through companies or groups - to the Clinton Foundation. It's an
extraordinary proportion indicating her possible ethics challenges if
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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...08-23-14-35-04
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Remember that 'Republican Woman for Clinton'? She's a healthcare lobbyist married to a Clinton operative
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/re...stom_click=rss
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And people wonder why we don't trust our main stream media 
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1. The employer is not stopping the
employee from purchasing the contraceptive. They aren't expensive. She
can buy it and use it in privacy and the employer doesn't even know.
2. If a JW wants to not include blood transfusions in their company
insurance policy, I fully support them. Employees and potential
employees should be made aware of such a lack of coverage, and if they
choose to continue working there, they accept the terms of employment. I
personally wouldn't choose to work there, all things being equal. But
others may. If the JW business doesn't find enough workers, they'll have
to increase pay to offset this lack of coverage for employees.
Again, this is what freedom looks like. The freedom to make choices, even ones you disagree with.
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I just suppose my values extend beyond the freedom of a person to
either not have, for instance, blood covered in their healthcare or
collecting unemployment. But thanks anyway.
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It looks like Hillary Clinton will either become POTUS or go to prison, perhaps together with Trump...in the same cell.
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It looks like Hillary Clinton will either become POTUS or go to prison, perhaps together with Trump...in the same cell.
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Whaaaat?!?
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God of power and might, wisdom and justice,
through you authority is rightly administered,
laws are enacted, and judgment is decreed.
Assist with your spirit of counsel and fortitude
the President and other government leaders of these United
States.
May they always seek
the ways of righteousness, justice and mercy.
Grant that they may be enabled by your powerful protection
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We ask this through Christ our Lord.
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Every day, I am looking forward to joining my fellows in electing Hillary Clinton to be the next President of the United States.
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O God, we acknowledge You today as Lord,
Not only of individuals, but of nations and governments.
We thank You for the privilege
Of being able to organize ourselves politically
And of knowing that political loyalty
Does not have to mean disloyalty to You.
We thank You for Your law,
Which our Founding Fathers acknowledged
And recognized as higher than any human law.
We thank You for the opportunity that this election year
puts before us,
To exercise our solemn duty not only to vote,
But to influence countless others to vote,
And to vote correctly.
Lord, we pray that Your people may be awakened.
Let them realize that while politics is not their
salvation,
Their response to You requires that they be politically
active.
Awaken Your people to know that they are not called to be
a sect fleeing the world
But rather a community of faith renewing the world.
Awaken them that the same hands lifted up to You in prayer
Are the hands that pull the lever in the voting booth;
That the same eyes that read Your Word
Are the eyes that read the names on the ballot,
And that they do not cease to be Christians
When they enter the voting booth.
Awaken Your people to a commitment to justice,
To the sanctity of marriage and the family,
To the dignity of each individual human life,
And to the truth that human rights begin when Human Lives
Begin,
And not one moment later.
Lord, we rejoice today
That we are citizens of Your kingdom.
May that make us all the more committed
To being faithful citizens on earth.
We ask this through Jesus Christ, our Lord.
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It looks like Hillary Clinton will either become POTUS or go to prison, perhaps together with Trump...in the same cell.
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What a great concept for a reality TV show. Or a fictional "reality" show.
 What to call it?
When Dongeon Met Cellary?
Who's Who in the Hoosegow?
Too Loud, Too Long, Too Bad and Two Bunks
- POTUS rhymes with Woe t'us!
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Every day, I am looking forward to joining my fellows in electing Hillary Clinton to be the next President of the United States.
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The thought of Hillary as President makes me nauseous.
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New Revelations Show a Nation for Sale Under Hillary Clinton
http://nypost.com/2016/08/23/new-rev...llary-clinton/
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The Clinton Foundation was ostensibly set up to solve the world’s most
pressing problems. Though it’s done some fine work, its most fruitful
program has been leveraging Clinton’s position in the State Department
to enrich her family, friends and cronies.
It’s against federal law for charities to act in the interests of
private business or individuals. Yet the Clinton Foundation secured
high-paying gigs for its namesakes and helped for-profit corporations
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This was detailed in an AP story from 8/23
Clinton State Department Stonewalled AP for Three Years
http://www.nationalreview.com/happen...sociated-press
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The AP sought Clinton’s calendar and schedules three years ago, but
delays led the AP to sue the State Department last year in federal court
for those materials and other records.” Three years ago. The long wait
was in keeping with a practice of slow-walking such requests for
information. In April, the State Department explained the fact that
Clinton ignored 237 Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests by saying
that she was sitting Secretary of State at the time the requests were
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I just suppose my values extend beyond
the freedom of a person to either not have, for instance, blood covered
in their healthcare or collecting unemployment. But thanks anyway.
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And you demand your values be pushed on everyone else. And there's
no requirement for someone to be unemployed, you're presenting a false
dichotomy. Jehovah's Witnesses are not the only potential employers in
America, FYI. If you don't like their healthcare plan, you are free to
look for another job.
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Every day, I am looking forward to joining my fellows in electing Hillary Clinton to be the next President of the United States.
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The thought of Hillary as President makes me nauseous.
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And you demand your values be pushed on everyone else.
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Given that our discussion began on Catholics demanding their views
about contraception and about what should or should not be covered in
healthcare be forced upon all, and your own view that you would support
blood not being covered in the case of a JW employer, I'm just going to
assume you see the irony and perhaps we can simply agree there are
difficulties that arise in satisfying everyone which I spoke of earlier.
And if not, in any case I shall leave it at that and wish you the best.
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Given that our discussion began on
Catholics demanding their views about contraception and about what
should or should not be covered in healthcare be forced upon all, and
your own view that you would support blood not being covered in the case
of a JW employer, I'm just going to assume you see the irony and
perhaps we can simply agree there are difficulties that arise in
satisfying everyone which I spoke of earlier. And if not, in any case I
shall leave it at that and wish you the best.
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Not difficult at all,simply allow a religious exemption for those
opposed to contraception,abortion,etc.Why is is ok to force these issues
on people of faith opposed to them? You main arguing point is we the
faithful are trying to impose our beliefs on others' Seems an empty
argument if we are not given the same consideration,don't you agree?
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'Wind it down and put it in mothballs': Media calls for the Clintons to close Clinton Foundation: http://reut.rs/2bFfq9s
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Not difficult at all,simply allow a
religious exemption for those opposed to contraception,abortion,etc.Why
is is ok to force these issues on people of faith opposed to them? You
main arguing point is we the faithful are trying to impose our beliefs
on others' Seems an empty argument if we are not given the same
consideration,don't you agree?
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As I have said it isn't easy or simple to satisfy everyone. I'm at
the point where I'm starting to believe it's an impossibility.
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As I have said it isn't easy or simple to
satisfy everyone. I'm at the point where I'm starting to believe it's
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Nope, it was easy. Before ACA went national many states had such
exemptions for within their borders. The Obama admin had promised this
would continue, but instead went hardline.
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Nope, it was easy. Before ACA went
national many states had such exemptions for within their borders. The
Obama admin had promised this would continue, but instead went hardline.
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Many lower income sick people went without healthcare too who now have some.
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Many lower income sick people went without healthcare too who now have some.
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So some say, but sick people certainly weren't targeted for the
benefits, though undoubtedly some did. Medicaid, we are told, took on
another 17 million people. So, of those, some probably didn't already
have employment-based insurance of a better sort, though some
undoubtedly did. Some probably didn't have to dispossess themselves of
assets, though doubtless some did. Some were chronically ill, but
probably most were not.
Of those who went on the exchanges, some were well subsidized and have
no deductibles. Some were well subsidized and had huge deductibles. Some
are poorly subsidized and have huge deductibles. Some get no subsidies
at all, pay a lot more than they would have otherwise, and have huge
deductibles. Some would have been sick, but mostly not.
Some with employment-based insurance no longer do because of the
additional cost of all the mandates. Some with employment-based
insurance are paying in a lot more contribution than they did before and
have bigger deductibles. Some would have been sick, but mostly not.
And some with high incomes are paying more than they ever did. Some are sick and most are not.
On balance, it seems the whole system was turned on its head when
federal aid to the states' forced placement programs for the few who
were really in need, could probably have been cheaper and easier.
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'Wind it down and put it in mothballs': Media calls for the Clintons to close Clinton Foundation: http://reut.rs/2bFfq9s |
Might be a bit cynical of me, but the Clinton promise to stop
accepting donations after the election (assuming Hillary is elected) is a
"pay quickly now, or miss the gravy train later" call. I feel pretty
confident this promise will be illusory but will also significantly
raise contributions between now and November.
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I just suppose my values extend beyond
the freedom of a person to either not have, for instance, blood covered
in their healthcare or collecting unemployment. But thanks anyway.
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The JW's also operate hospitals and have members who are doctors
and nurses ... are you willing to force the hospital and doctor to
perform blood transfusions?
Will you force the Adventist hospital to serve other than vegetarian
meals because you demand the the freedom to have the healthcare option
to have blood covered and meatloaf and or ham on the hospital food tray?
What about a Jewish and or Muslim hospital - should they be compelled to serve bacon, pork chops and ham?
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Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EumOa4dCbRA
Important interview with Dinesh De'Souza the man who made "Hillary's America".
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The JW's also operate hospitals and have
members who are doctors and nurses ... are you willing to force the
hospital and doctor to perform blood transfusions?
Will you force the Adventist hospital to serve other than vegetarian
meals because you demand the the freedom to have the healthcare option
to have blood covered and meatloaf and or ham on the hospital food tray?
What about a Jewish and or Muslim hospital - should they be compelled to serve bacon, pork chops and ham?
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No idea why you bring up non vegetarian meals and meatloaf and
pork and bacon and ham. Have you ever heard the term "clean meats" and
other sources of protein and nutrients that pork might provide? Not all
Adventists and Muslims and Jews are vegetarians. Some consume clean
meats. But is the blood for a consenting patient required for their life
and health? If so, for me personally, yes for people who need blood and
consent to it or for instance for a sick 2nd grader whose parents did
not consent but who needs blood, yes for me the right to life in such
cases would trump religious freedom. Like I've repeatedly said though
everything in life is not black and white. There are a lot of gray areas
which do not lend themselves to easy choices. But blood for life and
health in such cases, I'd probably go along with rather than risking the
patient's death. I believe there have even been court cases to this
effect. Hope that helps because I am not going to take the time to go
over every possible scenario.
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A pattern emerges
Clinton Inc., at home and abroad
http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2...rges-20160824/
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To quote Jonathan Chait, a columnist who leans heavily to port: This new
policy is an "inadequate response to the conflicts of interest inherent
in the Clinton Foundation," and shows that Hillary Clinton "has not
fully grasped the severity of her reputational problem." Or maybe she
has, but just doesn't care. Those of us who watched her rise here in
Arkansas will know she's been getting away with ethical shortcuts for a
long, long time and the lower she sinks, the higher she rises in the
esteem of her fans--or just of those who have benefited from her
largesse. "Ultimately," Mr. Chait concludes, "there's no way around this
problem without closing down the Clinton Foundation altogether." What,
and lose all that money flowing into the foundation from all over the
world? Fat chance..
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Off the topic a bit, political threads and moderation, a query
Maybe this has already been answered in this thread, or the Trump thread, but let me ask it anyway.
I'm confused on what I can say about actual candidates and not get immediately moderated. I.e., what are my boundaries.
I had another thread merely noting that there was a former Catholic
priest running in my area and I wondered how to address him and the very
first reply was from a moderator instructing people that they could
only speak as to that, and not the politics of it?
I'll respect the moderators, but that seems really a bit much. Why can't the poltics be discussed?
And now I see there's a Trump thread and a Clinton thread. So obviously
some politics an be discussed. I don't want to see my thread evaporate
(which tends to happen, for example, every time I try to post something
on the Eastern Rites and mention the Orthodox), but I'd like to post a
thread re third parties. But if that's prohibited, I don't wan to run
afoul of policy. After all, I don't own the site.
I'd also like to post a thread about Catholic shyness regarding
officially commenting on politicians. But same thing, I fear such a
thread would evaporate instantly.
So, what are the parameters of political threads?
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So some say, but sick people certainly
weren't targeted for the benefits, though undoubtedly some did.
Medicaid, we are told, took on another 17 million people. So, of those,
some probably didn't already have employment-based insurance of a better
sort, though some undoubtedly did. Some probably didn't have to
dispossess themselves of assets, though doubtless some did. Some were
chronically ill, but probably most were not.
Of those who went on the exchanges, some were well subsidized and have
no deductibles. Some were well subsidized and had huge deductibles. Some
are poorly subsidized and have huge deductibles. Some get no subsidies
at all, pay a lot more than they would have otherwise, and have huge
deductibles. Some would have been sick, but mostly not.
Some with employment-based insurance no longer do because of the
additional cost of all the mandates. Some with employment-based
insurance are paying in a lot more contribution than they did before and
have bigger deductibles. Some would have been sick, but mostly not.
And some with high incomes are paying more than they ever did. Some are sick and most are not.
On balance, it seems the whole system was turned on its head when
federal aid to the states' forced placement programs for the few who
were really in need, could probably have been cheaper and easier.
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It is interesting. My company is in the janitorial business, so
most of our employees are lower income. We have chosen to offer
subsidized health insurance to our over 30 hours a week employees at a
cost of 9.5% of their gross earnings to them. We pay the balance. Of the
30 who are eligible, 23 have declined coverage. Many have said they
can't afford it.
Wonder what they will do at income tax time?
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Originally Posted by Ridgerunner
So some say, but sick people certainly
weren't targeted for the benefits, though undoubtedly some did.
Medicaid, we are told, took on another 17 million people. So, of those,
some probably didn't already have employment-based insurance of a better
sort, though some undoubtedly did. Some probably didn't have to
dispossess themselves of assets, though doubtless some did. Some were
chronically ill, but probably most were not.
Of those who went on the exchanges, some were well subsidized and have
no deductibles. Some were well subsidized and had huge deductibles. Some
are poorly subsidized and have huge deductibles. Some get no subsidies
at all, pay a lot more than they would have otherwise, and have huge
deductibles. Some would have been sick, but mostly not.
Some with employment-based insurance no longer do because of the
additional cost of all the mandates. Some with employment-based
insurance are paying in a lot more contribution than they did before and
have bigger deductibles. Some would have been sick, but mostly not.
And some with high incomes are paying more than they ever did. Some are sick and most are not.
On balance, it seems the whole system was turned on its head when
federal aid to the states' forced placement programs for the few who
were really in need, could probably have been cheaper and easier.
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I don't think many argue that healthcare coverage in the US is
ideal yet. But the previous model surely wasn't either. Indeed some are
well subsidized and now have affordable healthcare when they did not
previously. Or have been able to get care through Medicaid. People with
pre-existing conditions now can not be denied as they were before. What
blessings! More still needs to be done. I'm going to worry less though
about some with higher incomes paying more than they ever did than I'm
concerned about some others. The people for instance caught between
their Republican governors and legislators not expanding Medicaid and
yet having too little income to qualify for a subsidy and with having no
public option are more a worry and concern to me.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
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Originally Posted by qui est ce
It is interesting. My company is in the
janitorial business, so most of our employees are lower income. We have
chosen to offer subsidized health insurance to our over 30 hours a week
employees at a cost of 9.5% of their gross earnings to them. We pay the
balance. Of the 30 who are eligible, 23 have declined coverage. Many
have said they can't afford it.
Wonder what they will do at income tax time?
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Get it all back plus some do to the earned income tax credit
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Originally Posted by qui est ce
It is interesting. My company is in the
janitorial business, so most of our employees are lower income. We have
chosen to offer subsidized health insurance to our over 30 hours a week
employees at a cost of 9.5% of their gross earnings to them. We pay the
balance. Of the 30 who are eligible, 23 have declined coverage. Many
have said they can't afford it.
Wonder what they will do at income tax time?
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I'm not at all sure if this would apply to them at tax time or
not. I only know it says here if the income you are paying them is low
enough and if their share of premiums after your contributions would
total more than roughly 8 percent of their income, they may be able to
avoid a penalty.
See under the section "You won’t pay a penalty if..."
"your income is low enough that your share of premiums (after federal
subsidies and employer contributions) would total more than 8 percent of
your income (this is increasing to 8.05 percent for 2015)"
https://www.healthinsurance.org/obam...ty-calculator/
The 9.5% you require of your lower income janitorial employees exceeds 8%.
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Many lower income sick people went without healthcare too who now have some.
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Just the fed $ to extend Medicaid would have accomplished the same results,
without all the pain and disruption.
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