Re: Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear

Aug 20, '16, 12:30 pm

Maxirad Regular Member Join Date: May 2, 2011 Posts: 2,258 Religion: Roman Catholic

Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear http://www.sfgate.com/technology/bus...ed-9173215.php

#2   Aug 20, '16, 12:34 pm

SuperLuigi Forum Elder Join Date: August 28, 2012 Posts: 21,606 Religion: Catholic

Re: Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear Well, it's a private contract. __________________ "The left is no longer liberal"-----Dave Rubin "Social network censorship----SEE HOW FAR THEY GET WITH IT!!!!!" --------from Social Justice the Musical "...censorship begins with me, but will end with you". --Milo Yiannapolous Hate speech = free speech #1A #2A

#3   Aug 20, '16, 2:14 pm

GEddie Forum Elder Book Club Member Join Date: March 18, 2009 Posts: 89,310 Religion: Catholic

Re: Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear Quote: Originally Posted by SuperLuigi Well, it's a private contract. Indeed, they have the right to do business as and with whom they see fit; but this romanticization of wild animals is getting tiresome. ICXC NIKA

#4   Aug 20, '16, 2:33 pm

Monte RCMS Forum Master Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,658 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear Bears are very unpredictable. The guy was lucky he wasn't killed by the bear. I was driving and a bear ran across the highway and up the hill ... at no time did the bear run slower than 40 miles per hour. In one case a photographer took a photo of a bear some distance away and then closer. At that point, according to the coroner, the bear ate the photographer. The photographer was probably eaten alive. Belly first. The photos were only about two seconds apart. The guy in the film was very lucky. __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth.

#5   Aug 20, '16, 2:57 pm

mikekle Veteran Member Join Date: August 3, 2012 Posts: 10,468 Religion: raised catholic

Re: Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear Quote: Originally Posted by GEddie Indeed, they have the right to do business as and with whom they see fit; but this romanticization of wild animals is getting tiresome. ICXC NIKA Why film it though...what kind of sick person would want to watch such violence over and over again? Sounds like having less money would be a good thing for this sadistic person imo.

#6   Aug 20, '16, 3:17 pm

pete 29 Regular Member Join Date: June 8, 2007 Posts: 4,521 Religion: Catholic

Re: Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear Quote: Originally Posted by mikekle Why film it though...what kind of sick person would want to watch such violence over and over again? Sounds like having less money would be a good thing for this sadistic person imo. Who died and made you a judge of people? __________________ It is not charity to condemn people and their progeny to the poverty that is liberalism.

#7   Aug 20, '16, 3:27 pm

Monte RCMS Forum Master Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,658 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear Quote: Originally Posted by mikekle Why film it though...what kind of sick person would want to watch such violence over and over again? Sounds like having less money would be a good thing for this sadistic person imo. What do you watch on television? Survival is kind of interesting. Bears are predators. Has nothing to do with sick people or sadism. There was a real situation, in which a hunter was found frozen to death ... he had all of the "tools" necessary, but was unable to build a shelter nor start a fire. And then there are more and more incursions of bears and other wild animals exploring suburbia. In my opinion all the filming started because too many hikers were dying of hypothermia and other exposure related causes. So, a bunch of "survivor" programs started up. With a large number of different themes. In one, there is ONE guy with no camera crew. In another, there is a husband and wife. In several episodes, the on-screen people nearly died for real ... from exposure, when the fire went out. In another the on-screen person, alone, found he was being stalked by a big cat. One fellow found bear tracks right next to his sleeping platform when he woke up in the morning. So, after building a shelter and making fire, then you need water. And then food. And you also learn that man is not the apex predator. Bears are probably #1. If you go into "bear country", then you are nothing more than a pork chop waiting to be eaten. There have been emergency situations in which there was some kind of water crisis ... a water main break, for example. And people had absolutely no way of getting water. They cleaned out the supermarkets of bottled water in an hour. What do you do if you live in the inner city and a water main breaks or a gas main breaks? Nobody, in one case in Boston, had a shelf with emergency supplies. Folks need to know how to fend for themselves. Preparation only costs about $20 at the dollar store. And you go from there. And now we have a new pest: the feral hog. __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth.

#8   Aug 20, '16, 3:27 pm

Neal76 Junior Member Join Date: January 19, 2013 Posts: 136 Religion: Catholic

Re: Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear When Native Americans killed bears a hundred years before the first Europeans arrived, was it still brutal? Were the bears still innocent?

#9   Aug 20, '16, 7:05 pm

Rhubarb Regular Member Join Date: December 21, 2004 Posts: 1,814 Religion: Agnostic

Re: Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear Quote: Originally Posted by Neal76 When Native Americans killed bears a hundred years before the first Europeans arrived, was it still brutal? Were the bears still innocent? Depends on the context of the Natives killing the bear. I assume that many of those killings were for necessary hunting. This, on the other hand, looked like it was nothing more than blood sport. Killing purely for the spectacle is always brutal.

#10   Aug 20, '16, 7:08 pm

GEddie Forum Elder Book Club Member Join Date: March 18, 2009 Posts: 89,310 Religion: Catholic

Re: Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear Quote: Originally Posted by mikekle Why film it though...what kind of sick person would want to watch such violence over and over again? Sounds like having less money would be a good thing for this sadistic person imo. No, poor people can be just as sadistic as the less financially challenged; they just direct the impulse onto other human beings rather than to wildlife. Sadly, in the current society, a wild beast is valued more than a human being. ICXC NIKA

#11   Aug 20, '16, 8:49 pm

10gr8kids Regular Member Join Date: November 28, 2011 Posts: 1,489 Religion: Catholic

Re: Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear Quote: Originally Posted by GEddie No, poor people can be just as sadistic as the less financially challenged; they just direct the impulse onto other human beings rather than to wildlife. Sadly, in the current society, a wild beast is valued more than a human being. ICXC NIKA Exactly! Sadistic is ripping a baby apart limb by limb from his/her mother's womb. __________________ "I know the plans I have for you," declares the Lord, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future." Jerimiah 29:11

#12   Aug 20, '16, 9:06 pm

fladreamer Banned Join Date: July 29, 2016 Posts: 251

Re: Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear Quote: Originally Posted by Rhubarb Depends on the context of the Natives killing the bear. I assume that many of those killings were for necessary hunting. This, on the other hand, looked like it was nothing more than blood sport. Killing purely for the spectacle is always brutal. I agree with your assessment. Kind of reminds of the heartless idiot who had lured a squirrel with food and had kicked it off the Grand Canyon.

#13   Aug 20, '16, 9:11 pm

GEddie Forum Elder Book Club Member Join Date: March 18, 2009 Posts: 89,310 Religion: Catholic

Re: Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear Quote: Originally Posted by fladreamer I agree with your assessment. Kind of reminds of the heartless idiot who had lured a squirrel with food and had kicked it off the Grand Canyon. But that sort of thing is ubiquitous in nature. Cats torment the mice they kill. Dogs play with the birds they eat. But only human beings can feel bad about such things. ICXC NIKA

#14   Aug 20, '16, 11:25 pm

fladreamer Banned Join Date: July 29, 2016 Posts: 251

Re: Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear Quote: Originally Posted by GEddie But that sort of thing is ubiquitous in nature. Cats torment the mice they kill. Dogs play with the birds they eat. But only human beings can feel bad about such things. ICXC NIKA I expect more decency from a human being than from Kitty.

#15   Aug 20, '16, 11:58 pm

Paganus Regular Member Join Date: October 12, 2006 Posts: 630 Religion: Rigid Catholic

Re: Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear Quote: Originally Posted by Maxirad http://www.sfgate.com/technology/bus...ed-9173215.php I'm impressed. The spear seemed so slow, but it did the job well.  Aug 21, '16, 3:55 am Melodeonist Regular Member Join Date: December 29, 2014 Posts: 1,569 Religion: Catholic Re: Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear I don't understand? Hunting bears with a bear spear is a traditional way of hunting bears. I believe they did so in the middle ages. Canceling a contract because you use an antiquated way of hunting makes no sense. That would be like people from the future canceling a contract because someone shot a bear with a rifle instead of shooting it with a laser gun. __________________   #17   Aug 21, '16, 4:47 am GEddie Forum Elder Book Club Member Join Date: March 18, 2009 Posts: 89,310 Religion: Catholic Re: Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear Quote: Originally Posted by Melodeonist I don't understand? Hunting bears with a bear spear is a traditional way of hunting bears. I believe they did so in the middle ages. Canceling a contract because you use an antiquated way of hunting makes no sense. That would be like people from the future canceling a contract because someone shot a bear with a rifle instead of shooting it with a laser gun. Or because they kill animals at all, instead of being nature-worshipping vegans who consider predatory beasts our brothers............ ICXC NIKA   #18   Aug 21, '16, 6:27 am mikekle Veteran Member Join Date: August 3, 2012 Posts: 10,468 Religion: raised catholic Re: Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear Quote: Originally Posted by Melodeonist I don't understand? Hunting bears with a bear spear is a traditional way of hunting bears. I believe they did so in the middle ages. Canceling a contract because you use an antiquated way of hunting makes no sense. That would be like people from the future canceling a contract because someone shot a bear with a rifle instead of shooting it with a laser gun. IF people love violence so much today, maybe they should bring back the old man against beast or man against man killing sports, like they had when the Romans were in power. I really think fights to the death would become more popular than any other current sport.   #19   Aug 21, '16, 11:03 am Ridgerunner Forum Elder Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,713 Religion: Catholic Re: Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear For whatever it's worth, I think the guy is a fool. EVen black bears are formidable creatures and it could have attacked this guy and torn him to pieces, spear wound or no spear wound, if it had a mind to do it.   #20   Aug 21, '16, 11:38 am Mark121359 Regular Member Join Date: August 30, 2012 Posts: 2,352 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear Quote: Originally Posted by Monte RCMS Bears are very unpredictable. You bet they are! These B.C. filmmakers found out just how unpredictable they can be in this video. If that would've been me, I'd have pis....well you get the idea. If you have good speakers, turn the sound up so you can hear the guttural grunts coming from this PO'd mama bear! Peace, Mark __________________ “Ad Jesum per Mariam" Luke 1:38 And Mary said, "Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be done to me according to your word." And the angel departed from her.   #21   Aug 21, '16, 12:30 pm MacBP Regular Member Join Date: February 24, 2012 Posts: 752 Religion: Catholic Re: Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear Quote: Originally Posted by mikekle Why film it though...what kind of sick person would want to watch such violence over and over again? Sounds like having less money would be a good thing for this sadistic person imo. Quote: Originally Posted by Rhubarb Depends on the context of the Natives killing the bear. I assume that many of those killings were for necessary hunting. This, on the other hand, looked like it was nothing more than blood sport. Killing purely for the spectacle is always brutal. Quote: Originally Posted by fladreamer I agree with your assessment. Kind of reminds of the heartless idiot who had lured a squirrel with food and had kicked it off the Grand Canyon. So it should be noted that the hunter in question did eat what he had killed, and donated the excess meat and pelt to the homeless shelter. He's not a mean guy or a bad man, despite what you may think about hunting. Secondly, responsible hunting (yes, even hunting for sport) is actually good for the environment and prevents far more suffering than it causes. Hunting prevents the population boom busts that occur in nature. Normally animals have a population boom, outstrip the land's carrying capacity (its ability to support life) and starve to death through a lack of resources. Hunter tend to be highly invested in the health and conservation of the region. Thirdly, it's not as though most wild animals tend to have a peaceful death in old age. Most death in nature is an ugly affair, and I suspect that death in this way was no worse than what that bear would have experienced in the absence of hunting. Actually it was probably better. So ultimately I think context is needed before we rush to condemn hunters.   #22   Aug 21, '16, 12:47 pm Dwyer Regular Member Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic Re: Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear This News Story is another example of Benthamite philosophy in action. __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)   #23   Aug 21, '16, 1:04 pm fladreamer Banned Join Date: July 29, 2016 Posts: 251 Re: Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear Quote: Originally Posted by GEddie Or because they kill animals at all, instead of being nature-worshipping vegans who consider predatory beasts our brothers............ ICXC NIKA Carnivore speaking. But the vegans do have some good points about sustainability. The contrast between resources required to raise an animal for human consumption versus the resources needed to grow plants is quite stark. Mostly plant-based diet with some meat/fish is probably a good compromise. Are vegans outlawed in Texas?   #24   Aug 21, '16, 1:33 pm GEddie Forum Elder Book Club Member Join Date: March 18, 2009 Posts: 89,310 Religion: Catholic Re: Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear Quote: Originally Posted by fladreamer Carnivore speaking. But the vegans do have some good points about sustainability. The contrast between resources required to raise an animal for human consumption versus the resources needed to grow plants is quite stark. Mostly plant-based diet with some meat/fish is probably a good compromise. Are vegans outlawed in Texas? Not in any way. In fact, neoprogressives, including vegans, dominate the capital city, Austin. But down at latitude 27O, carnivores rule. This is prime hunting country. And while carnivorism does require more land, our good old human bodies do require more protein than other species. Try living on grass! ICXC NIKA   #25   Aug 21, '16, 1:38 pm Monte RCMS Forum Master Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,658 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear I have noticed that several of the survival programs seem to have been discontinued. Too many close calls, probably. One fellow was rescued by his camera crew ... and nearly died from massive bee stings. And another fellow's camera crew was endangered and had to be helicoptered out. __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth.   #26   Aug 21, '16, 1:40 pm GEddie Forum Elder Book Club Member Join Date: March 18, 2009 Posts: 89,310 Religion: Catholic Re: Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear Quote: Originally Posted by Monte RCMS I have noticed that several of the survival programs seem to have been discontinued. Too many close calls, probably. One fellow was rescued by his camera crew ... and nearly died from massive bee stings. And another fellow's camera crew was endangered and had to be helicoptered out. Or it was a fad that had just run its course. ICXC NIKA   #27   Aug 21, '16, 1:43 pm Monte RCMS Forum Master Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,658 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear Yeah, ... even Mythbusters got into the act. They were marooned on a desert island with nothing but a huge pallet of Ducktape. They managed to trap a feral chicken for food. However, the next scene showed them dining on a tub of Kentucky Friend Chicken and certified that no chickens died in the filming of their program. [A chicken was seen as having adopted them as pets.] __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth.   #28   Aug 21, '16, 6:16 pm Paganus Regular Member Join Date: October 12, 2006 Posts: 630 Religion: Rigid Catholic Re: Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear Quote: Originally Posted by Ridgerunner For whatever it's worth, I think the guy is a fool. EVen black bears are formidable creatures and it could have attacked this guy and torn him to pieces, spear wound or no spear wound, if it had a mind to do it. “Black bears rarely attack. But here's the thing. Sometimes they do. All bears are agile, cunning and immensely strong, and they are always hungry. If they want to kill you and eat you, they can, and pretty much whenever they want. That doesn't happen often, but - and here is the absolutely salient point - once would be enough.” ― Bill Bryson, A Walk in the Woods: Rediscovering America on the Appalachian Trail His descriptions of angry black bears pulling people out of trees is also worth reading, if you are curious. Black bears are no joke. It would take a great deal of courage to hurl a spear at one.   #29   Aug 21, '16, 6:39 pm GEddie Forum Elder Book Club Member Join Date: March 18, 2009 Posts: 89,310 Religion: Catholic Re: Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear When I hear about a bear, shark, or other "apex predator" forgoing a human meal because being dead would make the human being unhappy -- THEN, and only THEN, will I care about animal feelings in the wild (or agricultural) context. The hubris is not on the hunter side, but on the pro-animal, nature-romantic side, in believing that NATURE needs protection from US. We couldn't subdue nature if we wanted to! ICXC NIKA   #30   Aug 22, '16, 5:40 am Monte RCMS Forum Master Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,658 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear And then there was that fellow in Australia who got too playful with a ray and was stabbed in the heard and killed. Shark Hunter? __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth. Aug 22, '16, 7:27 am Monte RCMS Forum Master   Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,658 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Irwin Crocodile-Hunter-Steve-Irwin-stabbed-hundreds-of-times-by-stingray-cameraman-reveals.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...n-reveals.html __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth.   #32   Aug 22, '16, 8:02 am GEddie Forum Elder Book Club Member   Join Date: March 18, 2009 Posts: 89,310 Religion: Catholic Re: Under Armour drops deal with hunter who filmed husband using a 7-foot spear to brutally kill a bear Quote: Originally Posted by Monte RCMS And then there was that fellow in Australia who got too playful with a ray and was stabbed in the heard and killed. Shark Hunter? I think there was an incident like that in Florida, too. The stingray had come up in a fishing net, and while trying to return the creature to the sea, the boat captain got the barb through his neck. ICXC NIKA