Israeli revelers give Palestinians the finger in march through Jerusalem’s Muslim Quarter

Jul 18, '16, 4:38 pm

Dwyer Regular Member   Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic

Israeli revelers give Palestinians the finger in march through Jerusalem’s Muslim Quarter Quote: June 5, 2016 The Jerusalem Flag Parade can be a tense episode because revelers, many of them high school students from nationalist religious schools accompanied by their rabbis, wind their way through the Arab section of the city, celebrating the Jews’ return to the holy city — but also shouting abuse at the few Palestinians out on the streets. A police spokesman warned that attendees carrying signs or wearing clothes promoting incitement would be stopped from taking part. But hundreds of marchers could be seen wearing T-shirts that showed the destruction of the al-Aqsa Mosque and the imagined rebuilding of the Third Jewish Temple on the raised esplanade in the Old City that is holy to both religions . . . On Sunday, Israel’s Central Bureau of Statistics released population statistics for Jerusalem. The city’s population has reached 870,000, with two-thirds Jewish and one-third Arab. More than a third of the Jews identify as ultra-Orthodox; about 1 in 5 called themselves secular. The number of Christians in Jerusalem has dwindled over the years, from 20 percent of the population in 1946 to less than 2 percent today. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...32c_story.html Photos of the Jerusalem Flag Parade, June 5, 2016 (the eve of Ramadan, "Islam’s month-long celebration of daytime fasting and nighttime feasts"): http://972mag.com/photos-nationalist...uarter/119850/ Kind of reminds me of some of those marches that take place in Northern Ireland. More on the Al-Aqsa Mosque: Quote: Al-Aqsa Mosque (“the Farthest Mosque"), also known as Al-Aqsa and Bayt al-Muqaddas, is the third holiest site in Islam and is located in the Old City of Jerusalem. Whilst the entire site on which the silver-domed mosque sits, along with the Dome of the Rock, seventeen gates, and four minarets, was itself historically known as the Al-Aqsa Mosque, today a narrower definition prevails,[note 1] and the wider compound is usually referred to as al-Haram ash-Sharif ("the Noble Sanctuary"),[3] or the Temple Mount, the holiest site in Judaism. Muslims believe that Muhammad was transported from the Sacred Mosque in Mecca to al-Aqsa during the Night Journey. Islamic tradition holds that Muhammad led prayers towards this site until the seventeenth month after the emigration, when God directed him to turn towards the Kaaba. The mosque was originally a small prayer house built by the Rashidun caliph Umar, but was rebuilt and expanded by the Umayyad caliph Abd al-Malik and finished by his son al-Walid in 705 CE. The mosque was completely destroyed by an earthquake in 746 and rebuilt by the Abbasid caliph al-Mansur in 754. His successor al-Mahdi rebuilt it again in 780. Another earthquake destroyed most of al-Aqsa in 1033, but two years later the Fatimid caliph Ali az-Zahir built another mosque which has stood to the present day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_Mosque __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)

#2   Jul 18, '16, 4:42 pm

Joseph3 Banned   Join Date: March 17, 2016 Posts: 2,137 Religion: Catholic

Re: Israeli revelers give Palestinians the finger in march through Jerusalem’s Muslim Quarter This is a good way to stick it to fascist Hamas. Long live liberty and Israel.

#3   Jul 18, '16, 6:32 pm

Crusaderbear Senior Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: July 27, 2015 Posts: 13,597 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: Israeli revelers give Palestinians the finger in march through Jerusalem’s Muslim Quarter Like it or not, these people need to learn to live together. As Ben Franklin said,"We must hang together or we shall surely hang seperately." I pray they learn to coexist.

#4   Jul 18, '16, 6:36 pm

jediliz Regular Member   Join Date: March 20, 2005 Posts: 4,541 Religion: Catholic and Proud of it!

Re: Israeli revelers give Palestinians the finger in march through Jerusalem’s Muslim Quarter Quote: Originally Posted by Crusaderbear Like it or not, these people need to learn to live together. As Ben Franklin said,"We must hang together or we shall surely hang seperately." I pray they learn to coexist. Get rid of Hamas and they might be able to. __________________ A Rosary a Day Keeps the Devil Away! "More souls go to hell because of sins of the flesh than for any other reason." - Our Lady of Fatima Who will speak for those who have no voice? Life.....what a beautiful choice!

#5   Jul 18, '16, 6:58 pm

thephilosopher6 Regular Member Greeter Prayer Warrior   Join Date: October 5, 2015 Posts: 1,465 Religion: Catholic

Re: Israeli revelers give Palestinians the finger in march through Jerusalem’s Muslim Quarter Quote: Originally Posted by Crusaderbear Like it or not, these people need to learn to live together. As Ben Franklin said,"We must hang together or we shall surely hang seperately." I pray they learn to coexist. Agreed. I wish that the original plan was went along with, which gave both Israel and Palestine large amounts of land and made Jerusalem an international city. But obviously that didn't work out. Both sides have the right to exist, and both sides have problems. Jewish settlements, for example, really shouldn't be allowed in Palestine. However, I think those Jews who want to, should be allowed to pray on the Temple Mount. It is the holiest sight in Judaism. Restricting it from Jews would be like restricting the Kaaba from Muslims. __________________

#6   Jul 18, '16, 6:59 pm

Neofight Banned   Join Date: December 28, 2011 Posts: 4,197 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: Israeli revelers give Palestinians the finger in march through Jerusalem’s Muslim Quarter Quote: Originally Posted by Joseph3 This is a good way to stick it to fascist Hamas. Long live liberty and Israel. How charitable, Joseph...which part of the Gospel does that attitude come from?

#7   Jul 18, '16, 7:12 pm

RPRPsych Banned Prayer Warrior   Join Date: March 15, 2010 Posts: 8,112 Religion: Catholic. I leave the adjectives to wiser heads.

Re: Israeli revelers give Palestinians the finger in march through Jerusalem’s Muslim Quarter Quote: Originally Posted by Neofight How charitable, Joseph...which part of the Gospel does that attitude come from? I think it's in the Epistle of St. Limbaugh to his disciple Beck, chapter 16, verse 3.

#8   Jul 18, '16, 8:37 pm

GEddie Forum Elder Book Club Member   Join Date: March 18, 2009 Posts: 89,292 Religion: Catholic

Re: Israeli revelers give Palestinians the finger in march through Jerusalem’s Muslim Quarter Quote: Originally Posted by jediliz Get rid of Hamas and they might be able to. + 1

#9   Jul 18, '16, 8:46 pm

Pilgrim 333 Junior Member   Join Date: March 26, 2013 Posts: 103 Religion: Catholic

Re: Israeli revelers give Palestinians the finger in march through Jerusalem’s Muslim Quarter As Christians we are called to be the Body of Christ in this world, the light of the world, the exemplars and living proof of God's mercy and forgiveness. Sadly, the Christian population of Jerusalem has dwindled to near extinction and the government makes it nearly impossible for Christians to buy land or build new homes. When my wife and I were in Jerusalem on pilgrimage we visited with some Christians and were told how the Church bought a small complex of condos for a few families and this was seen as a great accomplishment. I am reminded of the words of Fr. Douglas Bazi, a priest from Iraq who was kidnapped by Al-Qaeda and tortured before being released after nine days, he stated that the removal of Christians and the message of Christianity from the Middle East (its ancestral homeland) would mean the destruction of the entire region and the plummeting of the region into abject barbarism; because it is Christianity and the example of true Christians that show charity and forgiveness to their neighbors. The silly pride of parades and opposing parades of bravado and militarism will only bring about death and disorder and the ultimate rise of malevolent secular humanism. As Dwyer rightly stated, it reminds me of the sectarianism of Northern Ireland. __________________ Whenever anything disagreeable or displeasing happens to you, remember Christ crucified and be silent. --St. John of the Cross

#10   Jul 18, '16, 9:01 pm

Exiled Child Veteran Member   Join Date: June 30, 2014 Posts: 12,329 Religion: Catholic

Re: Israeli revelers give Palestinians the finger in march through Jerusalem’s Muslim Quarter The article reveals typical, everyday garbage from Israel - there is absolutely nothing surprising about any of it. The thoroughly vile and despicable way that Israeli Jews treat Israeli Palestinians is simply to be expected at every possible turn. Jewish terrorism and vicious mistreatment of a helpless population under siege has existed from the very beginning of Israel. This is pretty clearly understood by nearly everyone on Earth except Americans. Thanks for posting this, Dwyer; it's something that needs to be read by everyone. __________________ Solvitur ambulando…. It is solved by walking… ~Augustine

#11   Jul 19, '16, 5:37 am

didymus Veteran Member Radio Club Member   Join Date: April 5, 2005 Posts: 10,387 Religion: Catholic

Re: Israeli revelers give Palestinians the finger in march through Jerusalem’s Muslim Quarter I wonder if people would feel the same if the Israelis were behaving the same marching thru a Christian neighborhood. This behavior reminds me of the Orangemen's behavior celebrating their Battle of the Boyne (July 12th) parades thru Catholic neighborhoods. __________________ It's not hoarding if it's BOOKS.

#12   Jul 19, '16, 5:40 am

estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter   Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic

Re: Israeli revelers give Palestinians the finger in march through Jerusalem’s Muslim Quarter Funny that we are seeing more negative reaction to Israelis flipping the bird to Palestinians than we did when a Palestinian crept into a teenagers bedroom and stabbed her to death - a man who was quickly deemed a martyr by the very same Palestinians are now upset about obscene hand gestures

#13   Jul 19, '16, 5:47 am

J_Peterson Regular Member   Join Date: April 7, 2012 Posts: 3,823 Religion: Catholic

Re: Israeli revelers give Palestinians the finger in march through Jerusalem’s Muslim Quarter Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob Funny that we are seeing more negative reaction to Israelis flipping the bird to Palestinians than we did when a Palestinian crept into a teenagers bedroom and stabbed her to death - a man who was quickly deemed a martyr by the very same Palestinians are now upset about obscene hand gestures Prove that the ones who got flicked off were the same ones that celebrated a murder. I'm sure you have some evidence to back it up.

#14   Jul 19, '16, 3:20 pm

Joseph3 Banned   Join Date: March 17, 2016 Posts: 2,137 Religion: Catholic

Re: Israeli revelers give Palestinians the finger in march through Jerusalem’s Muslim Quarter Quote: Originally Posted by Neofight How charitable, Joseph...which part of the Gospel does that attitude come from? It comes from the anti-oppression nature of Christ.

#15   Jul 19, '16, 3:45 pm

Latias Regular Member   Join Date: November 30, 2014 Posts: 1,314 Religion: Catholic

Re: Israeli revelers give Palestinians the finger in march through Jerusalem’s Muslim Quarter Quote: Originally Posted by Joseph3 It comes from the anti-oppression nature of Christ. I guess Jesus would criticize those involved in the killings of Oscar Romero and the murder of the six Jesuits (along with a housekeeper). __________________ She has no patience for minds that do not inspire her or explode by trying. Remember the May 2nd 2014 Odessa Massacre!      Jul 19, '16, 3:48 pm Joseph3 Banned   Join Date: March 17, 2016 Posts: 2,137 Religion: Catholic Re: Israeli revelers give Palestinians the finger in march through Jerusalem’s Muslim Quarter Quote: Originally Posted by Latias I guess Jesus would criticize those involved in the killings of Oscar Romero and the murder of the six Jesuits (along with a housekeeper). He would criticize those killings.   #17   Jul 19, '16, 5:50 pm JharekCarnelian Forum Elder   Join Date: April 14, 2008 Posts: 30,492 Religion: Catholic Re: Israeli revelers give Palestinians the finger in march through Jerusalem’s Muslim Quarter Quote: Originally Posted by Joseph3 It comes from the anti-oppression nature of Christ. Christ was proud of his faith but religious triumphalism was not evident in his bearing. I assure you Joseph there is nothing pleasant in this kind of triumphalism no matter who is engaging in it.   #18   Jul 19, '16, 11:37 pm Darryl1958 Forum Master   Join Date: December 22, 2008 Posts: 14,260 Religion: Unlisted Re: Israeli revelers give Palestinians the finger in march through Jerusalem’s Muslim Quarter Quote: Originally Posted by Joseph3 It comes from the anti-oppression nature of Christ. Yea, I can totally see Jesus flipping the bird to the pharisees that he was giving a tongue lashing to. When it came to people abusing power, he was 'irreverent' to say the least.   #19   Jul 20, '16, 4:54 am JharekCarnelian Forum Elder   Join Date: April 14, 2008 Posts: 30,492 Religion: Catholic Re: Israeli revelers give Palestinians the finger in march through Jerusalem’s Muslim Quarter Quote: Originally Posted by Darryl1958 Yea, I can totally see Jesus flipping the bird to the pharisees that he was giving a tongue lashing to. When it came to people abusing power, he was 'irreverent' to say the least. However he was not uncouth, nor is either side in the events in question here without guilt and I assure you such display of triumphalism just go on an on and reinforce each sides idea that they are superior and special as they use such events to reinforce that narrative.   #20   Jul 20, '16, 6:38 am J_Peterson Regular Member   Join Date: April 7, 2012 Posts: 3,823 Religion: Catholic Re: Israeli revelers give Palestinians the finger in march through Jerusalem’s Muslim Quarter Quote: Originally Posted by Darryl1958 Yea, I can totally see Jesus flipping the bird to the pharisees that he was giving a tongue lashing to. When it came to people abusing power, he was 'irreverent' to say the least. Flipping someone off is the same as saying F-you. Can you really picture Jesus saying that, the man that said that calling someone a fool can land you in hell?   #21   Jul 20, '16, 6:47 am Darryl1958 Forum Master   Join Date: December 22, 2008 Posts: 14,260 Religion: Unlisted Re: Israeli revelers give Palestinians the finger in march through Jerusalem’s Muslim Quarter Quote: Originally Posted by J_Peterson Flipping someone off is the same as saying F-you. Can you really picture Jesus saying that, the man that said that calling someone a fool can land you in hell? Yea, I can totally picture that. This is the guy that called certain religious authorities a lying batch of vipers and sons of the Devil, after all. He was a little more scathing than calling 'hypocrites' just fools.   #22   Jul 20, '16, 7:02 am J_Peterson Regular Member   Join Date: April 7, 2012 Posts: 3,823 Religion: Catholic Re: Israeli revelers give Palestinians the finger in march through Jerusalem’s Muslim Quarter Quote: Originally Posted by Darryl1958 Yea, I can totally picture that. This is the guy that called certain religious authorities a lying batch of vipers and sons of the Devil, after all. He was a little more scathing than calling 'hypocrites' just fools. Only problem with that scenario in the context of this thread. The Israelis weren't flipping off Pharisees or hypocritical leaders, they were flipping off a poor and marginalized population. If you can find Jesus cursing lepers, widows, or the poor then you may have a point. Although I still don't believe Jesus would tell anyone to F-off.   #23   Jul 20, '16, 7:11 am estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter   Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: Israeli revelers give Palestinians the finger in march through Jerusalem’s Muslim Quarter Quote: Originally Posted by J_Peterson Only problem with that scenario in the context of this thread. The Israelis weren't flipping off Pharisees or hypocritical leaders, they were flipping off a poor and marginalized population. If you can find Jesus cursing lepers, widows, or the poor then you may have a point. Although I still don't believe Jesus would tell anyone to F-off. I don't recall lepers sneaking into rooms and stabbing girls to death ........ I don't support what they did find it strange there is more ourage over this than when the " martyr" killed the girl   #24   Jul 20, '16, 3:46 pm Darryl1958 Forum Master   Join Date: December 22, 2008 Posts: 14,260 Religion: Unlisted Re: Israeli revelers give Palestinians the finger in march through Jerusalem’s Muslim Quarter Quote: Originally Posted by J_Peterson Only problem with that scenario in the context of this thread. The Israelis weren't flipping off Pharisees or hypocritical leaders, they were flipping off a poor and marginalized population. If you can find Jesus cursing lepers, widows, or the poor then you may have a point. Although I still don't believe Jesus would tell anyone to F-off. According to Joseph, the people being flipped off were Hamas. Now of course the 'Death to America' crowd objected to that in itself as being uncouth, and that is where I piped in behind Joseph. Now if the narrative is changing as we speak to Jesus giving the bird to lepers and widows, then I agree that that is not very Jesus-like. Jesus wouldn't do that, and if he did, I would object to that kind of behavior from him. But if the original conversation stands, then I don't really have a problem with Jesus giving the bird to those who break into the teen-aged Jews bedrooms to jihad them to death. Do you? Or would you still stand with the Death to America crowd and find that kind of irreverance to those in power as being too uncouth? The language of the times of Jesus was no where near as gutteral as English either. English cussing is quite different that French even and is all about body functions rather than keeping things to a higher plane. That being said, the cussing that Jesus did do was very scathing in any language. But by all appearances Jesus was very much a part of his culture at the time and never placed himself all high and mighty over things like washing hands or things that. Like flipping the bird in our culture, were not approved of and indeed were looked down upon by the elites. That is why I can only imagine that Jesus would be a part of English culture, as it now is, rather than an ephemeral culture way above us, like we might like it to be. Here people drop the f-bombs with impunity, my kids more than my generation, and it is has become common in all levels of society-even the so called elites that it originally was designed to offend. It is not one of those things that I personally get all up in arms about. Now Hamas on the other hand, I have a real problem with their blasphemy, and killing in the name of God. Flipping the bird seems pretty mild to me as a way of dealing with those malicious vipers and hypocrites and child murderers. Flipping the bird to the culture that gives a haven to Hamas seems to me to be a very mild response. Not at all like gunning down cops, which way too many people here 'understand', for my liking anyway.   #25   Jul 20, '16, 5:45 pm JharekCarnelian Forum Elder   Join Date: April 14, 2008 Posts: 30,492 Religion: Catholic Re: Israeli revelers give Palestinians the finger in march through Jerusalem’s Muslim Quarter Joseph said it was flipping the bird at Hamas, the original article does not say that. I assure you anyone who has been in a neighbourhood where people of an another religion or culture parade through it and start singing sectarian songs etc. will not find it a pleasant experience. I don't come from the north of Ireland but I've been there and seen both sides behave in that manner. I assure you have people burn effigies of the Holy Father and hearing songs sung deliberately mean to let Catholics 'know their place' was... interesting. The reasoning of that kind of behaviour been a warning to 'Irish terrorists' is pulled out a hat quite a lot up there to.