GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]

Jul 18, '16, 6:37 am

gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic

GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] True to form, Trump himself provided the first surprise of the week, announcing Monday morning he was headed Cleveland later in the day to watch his wife Melania take the spotlight for the first night of speeches. "I will be there," Trump said on Fox News. "I want to watch. It is going to be very exciting." It was earlier-than-expected arrival for a man who has shown little interest in tradition with his nominating show. But the next four days would undeniably be Trump's moment - a week at the pinnacle of American politics that few could have imagined when the New York billionaire entered the race a year ago. http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/3...medium=twitter __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology

#2   Jul 18, '16, 6:53 am

_Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,523 Religion: Catholic

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Full Republican National Convention schedule http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/fu...rticle/2596743 __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org

#3   Jul 18, '16, 1:15 pm

chero23 Forum Master Join Date: November 12, 2012 Posts: 15,737 Religion: Catholic

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] As we speak at 3:15 pm central time, there's an up roar at the RNC convention. I don't know how big the nays to Trump are out there, but I believe it has to be at least 20-30% but they are being loud. __________________ Check out my Catholic Apologetic Booklet. 121 themes/doctrines, 5,200 Bible Verses, 192 pages. English https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...bFU/edit?pli=1 Spanish https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...M2c/edit?pli=1 Let others know about my booklet.

#4   Jul 18, '16, 1:19 pm

Joseph3 Banned Join Date: March 17, 2016 Posts: 2,137 Religion: Catholic

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] I support the Trump/Pence ticket all the way.

#5   Jul 18, '16, 1:21 pm

Strydersroom Banned Join Date: June 27, 2016 Posts: 504 Religion: agnostic

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] When does Chachi speak?

#6   Jul 18, '16, 1:24 pm

FghtinIrshNvrDi Junior Member Join Date: June 10, 2016 Posts: 172 Religion: Catholic

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Make America Great Again! America needs T/P to wipe the fecal away. All kidding aside, I love Mike Pence and was thrilled about this choice.

#7   Jul 18, '16, 1:24 pm

Cider Regular Member Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2007 Posts: 4,817

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] I have it set to record. On the subject of elections, I just got called for a telephone poll asking if the election was held today would I vote for Clinton, Trump or not at all. I don't think I've ever been asked in a political poll if I would not vote at all.

#8   Jul 18, '16, 1:25 pm

Padres1969 Regular Member Join Date: October 28, 2015 Posts: 5,291 Religion: Episcopalian

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by chero23 As we speak at 3:15 pm central time, there's an up roar at the RNC convention. I don't know how big the nays to Trump are out there, but I believe it has to be at least 20-30% but they are being loud. What a circus. Can't believe a bunch of people screaming is still considered a valid way to vote on something at these conventions.

#9   Jul 18, '16, 1:26 pm

Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Watching the convention and it looks like there is trouble in paradise.

#10   Jul 18, '16, 1:27 pm

chero23 Forum Master Join Date: November 12, 2012 Posts: 15,737 Religion: Catholic

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Fox News said that the establishment news will blow this away and make it seem like things are bad. The convention is at a standstill, I remember in 2012 when the democrats had the issue about God, CNN, msnbc, abc news, cbs all talked about it. Just enjoy how fox spins it __________________ Check out my Catholic Apologetic Booklet. 121 themes/doctrines, 5,200 Bible Verses, 192 pages. English https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...bFU/edit?pli=1 Spanish https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...M2c/edit?pli=1 Let others know about my booklet.

#11   Jul 18, '16, 1:27 pm

Padres1969 Regular Member Join Date: October 28, 2015 Posts: 5,291 Religion: Episcopalian

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Cider I have it set to record. On the subject of elections, I just got called for a telephone poll asking if the election was held today would I vote for Clinton, Trump or not at all. I don't think I've ever been asked in a political poll if I would not vote at all. With how many people are not enthusiastic for either candidate it's a legitimate concern for both parties that voters will simply not vote this time around. I mean this is the first election in at least the last 30 years where neither party's candidate even has the support of the majority of the people claiming they'll vote for them.

#12   Jul 18, '16, 1:28 pm

chero23 Forum Master Join Date: November 12, 2012 Posts: 15,737 Religion: Catholic

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Padres1969 What a circus. Can't believe a bunch of people screaming is still considered a valid way to vote on something at these conventions. That wasn't even a real vote. It was a voice vote, you can't tell with that. Both seemed loud. __________________ Check out my Catholic Apologetic Booklet. 121 themes/doctrines, 5,200 Bible Verses, 192 pages. English https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...bFU/edit?pli=1 Spanish https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...M2c/edit?pli=1 Let others know about my booklet.

#13   Jul 18, '16, 1:29 pm

chero23 Forum Master Join Date: November 12, 2012 Posts: 15,737 Religion: Catholic

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Cider I have it set to record. On the subject of elections, I just got called for a telephone poll asking if the election was held today would I vote for Clinton, Trump or not at all. I don't think I've ever been asked in a political poll if I would not vote at all. I think the most recent poll that I saw with Johnson in it, he had 13%. I think if both candidates continue the path they are in, Johnson might get to 20% when its all set and done. __________________ Check out my Catholic Apologetic Booklet. 121 themes/doctrines, 5,200 Bible Verses, 192 pages. English https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...bFU/edit?pli=1 Spanish https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...M2c/edit?pli=1 Let others know about my booklet.

#14   Jul 18, '16, 1:30 pm

Cider Regular Member Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2007 Posts: 4,817

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Padres1969 With how many people are not enthusiastic for either candidate it's a legitimate concern for both parties that voters will simply not vote this time around. I mean this is the first election in at least the last 30 years where neither party's candidate even has the support of the majority of the people claiming they'll vote for them. I agree it's a legit concern. At this point, I'm not voting for either one of them. I haven't decided if I'm going to write in someone or just not vote for the first time because I can't hold my nose yet again.

#15   Jul 18, '16, 1:31 pm

Padres1969 Regular Member Join Date: October 28, 2015 Posts: 5,291 Religion: Episcopalian

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by chero23 That wasn't even a real vote. It was a voice vote, you can't tell with that. Both seemed loud. The chair disagreed.  Jul 18, '16, 1:53 pm chero23 Forum Master Join Date: November 12, 2012 Posts: 15,737 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Padres1969 The chair disagreed. Oh I agree, not a fair vote in my humble opinion. __________________ Check out my Catholic Apologetic Booklet. 121 themes/doctrines, 5,200 Bible Verses, 192 pages. English https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...bFU/edit?pli=1 Spanish https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...M2c/edit?pli=1 Let others know about my booklet.   #17   Jul 18, '16, 1:56 pm FghtinIrshNvrDi Junior Member Join Date: June 10, 2016 Posts: 172 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] You guys ever been a delegate at conventions? The voice-votes and they way they're reported are just for TV drama. If you sat and did a hand vote for every tiny thing, the convention would last 8 weeks and you'd hear endless debates. A good chair gets things over with as quickly as possible and doesn't entertain a tiny minority of delegates if the vast majority have the votes. #1 rule for caucuses & conventions.... keep the agenda MOVING   #18   Jul 18, '16, 1:56 pm gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by chero23 Oh I agree, not a fair vote in my humble opinion. Why not? They didn't have enough states to call for a roll call vote. If they had a roll call vote it would take 3 hours. It would mean that all the networks would give negative speculation for 3 hours in prime time. And in the end Trump would win because it was a very small minority of states (something like 6) that wanted the roll call vote. So.. the only people to benefit would be: The Democrats since they could rerun all kinds of negative video about divisions in the GOP. The media (good coverage) The Democrats since they would get a count of states who vote against Trump The Democrats because it would take one day away from the RNC and show division. So that is why The Democrats and the media wanted the vote and the RNC did not. There is NO WAY there would have been a roll call vote on the rules. Won't be at the Democratic Party convention either. make sense? __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #19   Jul 18, '16, 1:56 pm didymus Veteran Member Radio Club Member Join Date: April 5, 2005 Posts: 10,387 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Sheesh! It's going on all week? There's no reason they couldn't wrap it up in two days. Since conventions are just coronations there's hardly any reason for the news to cover them at all. How about doing away with primaries and caucuses and run conventions America's Got Talent style? __________________ It's not hoarding if it's BOOKS.   #20   Jul 18, '16, 2:00 pm gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by didymus Sheesh! It's going on all week? There's no reason they couldn't wrap it up in two days. Since conventions are just coronations there's hardly any reason for the news to cover them at all. How about doing away with primaries and caucuses and run conventions America's Got Talent style? That's because we already had a contentious primary. Do you really want the back room deals that were the old conventions? Read about the convention that put Abraham Lincoln on the ticket and then let's talk again. __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #21   Jul 18, '16, 2:01 pm chero23 Forum Master Join Date: November 12, 2012 Posts: 15,737 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam Why not? They didn't have enough states to call for a roll call vote. If they had a roll call vote it would take 3 hours. It would mean that all the networks would give negative speculation for 3 hours in prime time. And in the end Trump would win because it was a very small minority of states (something like 6) that wanted the roll call vote. So.. the only people to benefit would be: The Democrats since they could rerun all kinds of negative video about divisions in the GOP. The media (good coverage) The Democrats since they would get a count of states who vote against Trump The Democrats because it would take one day away from the RNC and show division. So that is why The Democrats and the media wanted the vote and the RNC did not. There is NO WAY there would have been a roll call vote on the rules. Won't be at the Democratic Party convention either. make sense? Be honest and unbiased had this been the DNC convention not rnc, would you have the same answer? Bc some here on CAF complained bc of the super delegates, seems like there's double standards. __________________ Check out my Catholic Apologetic Booklet. 121 themes/doctrines, 5,200 Bible Verses, 192 pages. English https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...bFU/edit?pli=1 Spanish https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...M2c/edit?pli=1 Let others know about my booklet.   #22   Jul 18, '16, 2:01 pm chero23 Forum Master Join Date: November 12, 2012 Posts: 15,737 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam That's because we already had a contentions primary. Do you really want the back room deals that were the old conventions? Read about the convention that put Abraham Lincoln on the ticket and then let's talk again. Lincoln was worth the back room negotiation. __________________ Check out my Catholic Apologetic Booklet. 121 themes/doctrines, 5,200 Bible Verses, 192 pages. English https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...bFU/edit?pli=1 Spanish https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...M2c/edit?pli=1 Let others know about my booklet.   #23   Jul 18, '16, 2:03 pm estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by chero23 Oh I agree, not a fair vote in my humble opinion. So you would prefer they ignored the will of the 14 million people who voted in the primaries?   #24   Jul 18, '16, 2:04 pm Padres1969 Regular Member Join Date: October 28, 2015 Posts: 5,291 Religion: Episcopalian Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam That's because we already had a contentious primary. Do you really want the back room deals that were the old conventions? Read about the convention that put Abraham Lincoln on the ticket and then let's talk again. Well it selected the best president in American history. So it wasn't all that bad.   #25   Jul 18, '16, 2:04 pm gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by chero23 Be honest and unbiased had this been the DNC convention not rnc, would you have the same answer? From me, yes. Quote: Bc some here on CAF complained bc of the super delegates, seems like there's double standards. I don't like super delegates. They were put in place to avoid free and fair primaries after McGovern and Carter. Had there not been super delegates, Hillary may not have won the nomination. It is hard for an anti-establishment candidate to win a primary when the establishment candidate gets a bunch of super delegates right off the bat. __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #26   Jul 18, '16, 2:05 pm chero23 Forum Master Join Date: November 12, 2012 Posts: 15,737 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob So you would prefer they ignored the will of the 14 million people who voted in the primaries? You have complained about Obama so much on these forums. So you ignored the vote of 65 million Americans? I guess your right and 65 million are not. Forgive me __________________ Check out my Catholic Apologetic Booklet. 121 themes/doctrines, 5,200 Bible Verses, 192 pages. English https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...bFU/edit?pli=1 Spanish https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...M2c/edit?pli=1 Let others know about my booklet.   #27   Jul 18, '16, 2:06 pm chero23 Forum Master Join Date: November 12, 2012 Posts: 15,737 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Padres1969 [/b] Well it selected the best president in American history. So it wasn't all that bad. Exactly __________________ Check out my Catholic Apologetic Booklet. 121 themes/doctrines, 5,200 Bible Verses, 192 pages. English https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...bFU/edit?pli=1 Spanish https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...M2c/edit?pli=1 Let others know about my booklet.   #28   Jul 18, '16, 2:07 pm chero23 Forum Master Join Date: November 12, 2012 Posts: 15,737 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam From me, yes. I don't like super delegates. They were put in place to avoid free and fair primaries after McGovern and Carter. Had there not been super delegates, Hillary may not have won the nomination. It is hard for an anti-establishment candidate to win a primary when the establishment candidate gets a bunch of super delegates right off the bat. I respect your answer. I do believe you sincerity. But I do believe others here on CAF would have different answers if it was the DNC. __________________ Check out my Catholic Apologetic Booklet. 121 themes/doctrines, 5,200 Bible Verses, 192 pages. English https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...bFU/edit?pli=1 Spanish https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...M2c/edit?pli=1 Let others know about my booklet.   #29   Jul 18, '16, 2:08 pm gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Padres1969 [/b] Well it selected the best president in American history. So it wasn't all that bad. Before you fall in love with it, read about what happened there. And in subsequent contested conventions. __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #30   Jul 18, '16, 2:12 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam Why not? They didn't have enough states to call for a roll call vote. If they had a roll call vote it would take 3 hours. It would mean that all the networks would give negative speculation for 3 hours in prime time. And in the end Trump would win because it was a very small minority of states (something like 6) that wanted the roll call vote. So.. the only people to benefit would be: The Democrats since they could rerun all kinds of negative video about divisions in the GOP. The media (good coverage) The Democrats since they would get a count of states who vote against Trump The Democrats because it would take one day away from the RNC and show division. So that is why The Democrats and the media wanted the vote and the RNC did not. There is NO WAY there would have been a roll call vote on the rules. Won't be at the Democratic Party convention either. make sense? But is wasn't the democrats who were asking for a role call vote. Are you saying those asking are democrats? Jul 18, '16, 2:12 pm chero23 Forum Master Join Date: November 12, 2012 Posts: 15,737 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] The Colorado delegation walked off. __________________ Check out my Catholic Apologetic Booklet. 121 themes/doctrines, 5,200 Bible Verses, 192 pages. English https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...bFU/edit?pli=1 Spanish https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...M2c/edit?pli=1 Let others know about my booklet.   #32   Jul 18, '16, 2:16 pm gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings But is wasn't the democrats who were asking for a role call vote. Are you saying those asking are democrats? No, those asking were not Democrats but those who would benefit from the roll call would be Democrats, not Republicans. __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #33   Jul 18, '16, 2:17 pm gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by chero23 The Colorado delegation walked off. All of them? Some of them? One of them? __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #34   Jul 18, '16, 2:20 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam No, those asking were not Democrats but those who would benefit from the roll call would be Democrats, not Republicans. I agree the Democrats could benefit, but so could the Republicans who don't feel their voices are heard.   #35   Jul 18, '16, 2:28 pm didymus Veteran Member Radio Club Member Join Date: April 5, 2005 Posts: 10,387 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam That's because we already had a contentious primary. Do you really want the back room deals that were the old conventions? Read about the convention that put Abraham Lincoln on the ticket and then let's talk again. Yes, yes, yes!! Bring back the smoke-filled rooms. As for the convention that nominated Lincoln, he never would have made it if it hadn't been held in Chicago. That allowed his managers to pack the convention hall (the Wigwam) with Lincoln supporters using forged tickets. He famously sent a wire to his mangers telling them "Make no deals in my name." They did and he abided by them. __________________ It's not hoarding if it's BOOKS.   #36   Jul 18, '16, 2:29 pm gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by didymus Yes, yes, yes!! Bring back the smoke-filled rooms. As for the convention that nominated Lincoln, he never would have made it if it hadn't been held in Chicago. That allowed his managers to pack the convention hall (the Wigwam) with Lincoln supporters using forged tickets. He famously sent a wire to his mangers telling them "Make no deals in my name." They did and he abided by them. Yes, that is but just the tip of the iceberg of what happened there. Not to mention subsequent conventions. __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #37   Jul 18, '16, 2:30 pm gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings I agree the Democrats could benefit, but so could the Republicans who don't feel their voices are heard. And the party's candidate would be hurt. Not a good idea. __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #38   Jul 18, '16, 2:34 pm _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,523 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] "Trump team flipped enough delegates from Iowa, DC, Minnesota, and Maine to kill the rules roll call, I'm told." https://twitter.com/joelmentum/statu...51855160733697 __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org   #39   Jul 18, '16, 2:36 pm Cider Regular Member Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2007 Posts: 4,817 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by didymus Sheesh! It's going on all week? There's no reason they couldn't wrap it up in two days. Since conventions are just coronations there's hardly any reason for the news to cover them at all. How about doing away with primaries and caucuses and run conventions America's Got Talent style? I disagree, it needs to be televised so everyone can watch, if they choose to. Everything out in the open.   #40   Jul 18, '16, 6:19 pm Dwyer Regular Member Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Too many Political pundit Talking Heads on all the Cable Networks and PBS; I can't hear the Speakers or watch the RNC Videos being featured. Watching the uninterrupted Stream on C-SPAN instead. __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)   #41   Jul 18, '16, 6:34 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Dwyer Too many Political pundit Talking Heads on all the Cable Networks and PBS; I can't hear the Speakers or watch the RNC Videos being featured. Watching the uninterrupted Stream on C-SPAN instead. C-span is awesome. The non-politicians are so much more interesting and inspiring than the politician speakers. This convention is amazing. No commercial, non-stop inspiration from real-life Americans sharing their stories. Amazing!!!!   #42   Jul 18, '16, 6:51 pm gracepoole Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv C-span is awesome. The non-politicians are so much more interesting and inspiring than the politician speakers. This convention is amazing. No commercial, non-stop inspiration from real-life Americans sharing their stories. Amazing!!!! Yeah, that Chachi is so inspiring.   #43   Jul 18, '16, 6:52 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv C-span is awesome. The non-politicians are so much more interesting and inspiring than the politician speakers. This convention is amazing. No commercial, non-stop inspiration from real-life Americans sharing their stories. Amazing!!!! I take this back. There isn't one dulll speech in this convention. Amazing!   #44   Jul 18, '16, 6:56 pm GaryTaylor Forum Elder Join Date: March 30, 2010 Posts: 26,098 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gracepoole Yeah, that Chachi is so inspiring. Maybe not as much as Rosi. At least he said hes not leaving the country like other cowards from "Hollywooooood"   #45   Jul 18, '16, 7:25 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] After watching Rudy Giuliani's speech, instead of "making American great again," I think that Trump is going to make us into a bunch of quivering scaredy-cats. What I heard during his speech was, "fear, fear, fear, fear, be afraid, be afraid...." Jul 18, '16, 7:27 pm Al Moritz Regular Member Join Date: April 20, 2011 Posts: 3,024 Religion: Roman Catholic/Freethinker/Skeptic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr After watching Rudy Giuliani's speech, instead of "making American great again," I think that Trump is going to make us into a bunch of quivering scaredy-cats. What I heard during his speech was, "fear, fear, fear, fear, be afraid, be afraid...." The Republican Party has always preyed on fear. __________________ Health is not a consumer good but a universal right, so access to health services cannot be a privilege. Pope Francis   #47   Jul 18, '16, 7:48 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Al Moritz The Republican Party has always preyed on fear. And now they are weaponizing grief.   #48   Jul 18, '16, 7:56 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] I also saw Melania Trump's speech and am not sure what to think. The ABC and CBS commentators seemed to think it was a good speech, but she didn't seem especially warm to me. I thought that she had a slightly hard edge to her. Maybe it was just me. Her speech also seemed very scripted. I doubt that she wrote it herself.   #49   Jul 18, '16, 8:01 pm _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,523 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr I also saw Melania Trump's speech and am not sure what to think. The ABC and CBS commentators seemed to think it was a good speech, but she didn't seem especially warm to me. I thought that she had a slightly hard edge to her. Maybe it was just me. I thought it was a pretty fantastic speech and that speech did what it probably needed to do. It helped humanise Trump, helped to show him as a family man. It also gave have her a spotlight for her own immigrant story. Maybe I'm wrong, but I suspect even most of the mainstream media reviews will give her speech a mainly positive response. __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org   #50   Jul 18, '16, 8:01 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr I also saw Melania Trump's speech and am not sure what to think. The ABC and CBS commentators seemed to think it was a good speech, but she didn't seem especially warm to me. I thought that she had a slightly hard edge to her. Maybe it was just me. Her speech also seemed very scripted. I doubt that she wrote it herself. She is a lovely women and delivered the speech well. It did seem highly scripted and I don't blame her for that. It certainly wasn't warm and fuzzy because she didn't give any personal anecdotes that would make us love Trump. That might have helped make them both more personable.   #51   Jul 18, '16, 8:03 pm stinkcat_14 Veteran Member Join Date: June 26, 2005 Posts: 10,555 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Al Moritz The Republican Party has always preyed on fear. It was joe Biden who told an African American audience that "they are going to have you all in chains". So the democrat party is always preying on fear as well.   #52   Jul 18, '16, 8:03 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by UMB Youre just picking up on that's all the national party offers anymore? It's like a Goosebumps book! Sad, isn't it? What are Goosebumps like? lol   #53   Jul 18, '16, 8:05 pm stinkcat_14 Veteran Member Join Date: June 26, 2005 Posts: 10,555 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by UMB We now know he's loyal to his third wife! At least for a while.   #54   Jul 18, '16, 8:05 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by UMB We now know he's loyal to his third wife! Practice make perfect!   #55   Jul 18, '16, 8:10 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by UMB Goosebumps are these RL Stine books which are stories that are slightly scary and are written for younger kids between about 9 to 13 years old. The Republican Convention are stories that are scary for adults who think like 9 to 13 year olds and think the boogeyman is going to get them. Got it! Good analogy.   #56   Jul 18, '16, 8:13 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] It looks like everyone went home. Not too many listening to Joni Ernst. Is she the keynote speaker?   #57   Jul 18, '16, 8:14 pm estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings It looks like everyone went home. Not too many listening to Joni Ernst. Is she the keynote speaker? Astros game is on   #58   Jul 18, '16, 8:16 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob Astros game is on lol First things first.   #59   Jul 18, '16, 8:17 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by UMB When Donald leves, it's ok for you to leave too! Donald has left the building?   #60   Jul 18, '16, 8:20 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by UMB We now know he's loyal to his third wife! This is exactly something jesus would say to the Samaritan woman at the well, who had had serveral husbands and was living wih someone not her husband. Oh wait, Jesus showed her compassion instead. But since it's just trump, fine and dandy for Catholics to throw all moral reservations out the window because trump begs to be scorned. Never mind half of americans are divorced and remarried including many in our own families.  Jul 18, '16, 8:24 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv This is exactly something jesus would say to the Samaritan woman at the well, who had had serveral husbands and was living wih someone not her husband. Oh wait, Jesus showed her compassion instead. But since it's just trump, fine and dandy for Catholics to throw all moral reservations out the window because trump begs to be scorned. Never mind half of americans are divorced and remarried including many in our own families. It's not Trump in particular. It's more about the family values people who have multiple families. Is that the value? He's not the Lone Ranger.   #62   Jul 18, '16, 8:35 pm Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,030 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by UMB Got to be better than this junk. Indians blewa great outing by Kluber That was an awful 8th! __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #63   Jul 18, '16, 8:36 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by UMB Well, golly! You've got me! I guess I'm wrong for wanting a President that didn't cheat on his previous wives and, brag about the women he's slept with on radio show with known scumball Howard Stern. I guess I'm wrong for wanting a President that didn't rip out his customers with frauds like Trump University. I guess I'm wrong for wanting a President that treats his contractors fairly. I guess I'm wrong for wanting a President that doesn't say a bunch of ridiculous racist stuff. I guess I'mwro ng for wanting a President that doesn't make fun of another candidate's wife's looks. I guess I'm wrong for wanting a President that offers something more in the way of politicial discourse beyond name calling worthy of a 13 year old. I guess I'm wrong for wanting a President that doesn't call a Senator who spent six years in a POW camp a loser for getting shot down, especially coming from someone who hid behind deferments. Oof. You've got your candidate. Enjoy! I'm sorry that you are so mad. I'm sorry your candidate lost. Had he won the nomination fair and square, I would support him against hillary whole heartedly. But Ted Cruz has his fair share of problems. You are not going to have a perfect candidate, ever. Anyway I hope you find peace whomever you vote for. It's no big deal. The nation is in the hands of God.   #64   Jul 18, '16, 8:41 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by UMB Well, golly! You've got me! I guess I'm wrong for wanting a President that didn't cheat on his previous wives and, brag about the women he's slept with on radio show with known scumball Howard Stern. I guess I'm wrong for wanting a President that didn't rip out his customers with frauds like Trump University. I guess I'm wrong for wanting a President that treats his contractors fairly. I guess I'm wrong for wanting a President that doesn't say a bunch of ridiculous racist stuff. I guess I'mwro ng for wanting a President that doesn't make fun of another candidate's wife's looks. I guess I'm wrong for wanting a President that offers something more in the way of politicial discourse beyond name calling worthy of a 13 year old. I guess I'm wrong for wanting a President that doesn't call a Senator who spent six years in a POW camp a loser for getting shot down, especially coming from someone who hid behind deferments. Oof. You've got your candidate. Enjoy! I just tuned in Stephen Colbert. In song, "The party of Lincoln, better start drinkin"   #65   Jul 18, '16, 8:42 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by UMB I'm not mad. More sad. We're going to have Clinton as President and that'll be horrible for the pro-life movement. We're also going to continue to have a disfunctional Republican party. I don't know why what works so well on local and state levels breaks down so badly on the national level. I think God expect us not to act like idiots and nominate a reality show host as a Presidental candidate. I'm really trying to be nice here and you just called me an idiot. Well, good night to you too.   #66   Jul 18, '16, 8:46 pm Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,030 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr I also saw Melania Trump's speech and am not sure what to think. The ABC and CBS commentators seemed to think it was a good speech, but she didn't seem especially warm to me. I thought that she had a slightly hard edge to her. Maybe it was just me. Her speech also seemed very scripted. I doubt that she wrote it herself. Melania has been working with a speechwriter for the last five to six weeks, honing her speech. She stuck close to script delivering her remarks off a telepompter. http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/18/politi...eech-2016-rnc/ __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #67   Jul 18, '16, 8:53 pm Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,030 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by UMB Arg. Between this and the convention, it's been a rough night. With the Tribe on my free MLB promo this wk, I didn't watch any of the primetime convention events other than I saw Sessions at the podium briefly and Rudy walking to the podium and a replay of the nominee and his current wife walking in hand in hand and a few words from her. I did get to see Colorado walk out earlier. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #68   Jul 18, '16, 8:56 pm Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,030 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob So you would prefer they ignored the will of the 14 million people who voted in the primaries? Hillary won millions of more votes than Bernie on the other side and you complained that she was winning because of superdelgates. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #69   Jul 18, '16, 8:57 pm Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,030 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by UMB I weep for my party. Ohio delegation walks off. President Clinton here we come.. Ohio walked too!? Wow I missed that. Well can't say I blame them. The honor of being the host state but without the usual prime seating for the host state. In the afternoon I had heard VA and WA were considering a walk on another day. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #70   Jul 18, '16, 9:02 pm Dwyer Regular Member Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by UMB Well, golly! You've got me! I guess I'm wrong for wanting a President that didn't cheat on his previous wives and, brag about the women he's slept with on radio show with known scumball Howard Stern. I guess I'm wrong for wanting a President that didn't rip out his customers with frauds like Trump University. I guess I'm wrong for wanting a President that treats his contractors fairly. I guess I'm wrong for wanting a President that doesn't say a bunch of ridiculous racist stuff. I guess I'mwro ng for wanting a President that doesn't make fun of another candidate's wife's looks. I guess I'm wrong for wanting a President that offers something more in the way of politicial discourse beyond name calling worthy of a 13 year old. I guess I'm wrong for wanting a President that doesn't call a Senator who spent six years in a POW camp a loser for getting shot down, especially coming from someone who hid behind deferments. Oof. You've got your candidate. Enjoy! So, the perfect candidate did not emerge for you. Well, it doesn't always happen in an Election. I think it's time to to take a hard look at reality in the face and move on and support whoever says they are Pro-Life. __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)   #71   Jul 18, '16, 9:04 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Dwyer So, the perfect candidate did not emerge for you. Well, it doesn't always happen in an Election. I think it's time to to take a hard look at reality in the face and move on and support whoever says they are Pro-Life. The key word is "says"?   #72   Jul 18, '16, 9:07 pm Dwyer Regular Member Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings The key word is "says"? That's all that matters, is "says". And it certainly isn't going to be Candidate Hillary Clinton: Hillary Clinton hails SCOTUS ruling as win for 'safe, legal' abortion: Signalling an important shift, presumptive Democratic nominee drops 'rare' from description of abortions http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/hillary...tion-1.3655360 __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)   #73   Jul 18, '16, 9:08 pm Expatreprocedit Regular Member Join Date: February 24, 2014 Posts: 1,161 Religion: Orthodox Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] I'm finding the set list for the RNC house band a little strange: "Stay with Me" a Rod Stewart song about a one-night stand, and "You Shook Me All Night Long", AC-DC, no explanation needed.   #74   Jul 18, '16, 9:09 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] [quote=Dwyer;14050758]That's all that matters, is "says". Not to me.   #75   Jul 18, '16, 9:12 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Expatreprocedit I'm finding the set list for the RNC house band a little strange: "Stay with Me" a Rod Stewart song about a one-night stand, and "You Shook Me All Night Long", AC-DC, no explanation needed. Just before he made the announcement that he would pick Pence, they played "You Can't Always Get What You Want" Go figure. They are seriously lacking communication people. Jul 18, '16, 9:14 pm Dwyer Regular Member Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Expatreprocedit I'm finding the set list for the RNC house band a little strange: "Stay with Me" a Rod Stewart song about a one-night stand, and "You Shook Me All Night Long", AC-DC, no explanation needed. Well, what are they going to play, Bach partitas? I've never listened to that particular trashy rock music but my guess is the titles of the tunes they picked are in a way referencing Trump or the Republican Party. __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)   #77   Jul 18, '16, 9:14 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by UMB Yeah, I don't know what happened. I'll try to taklk to my friend and see what happned but, if I were a betting man and I am, HA, I'd say he's a little intoxicated right now and probably not much ina talking mood! Keep us posted.   #78   Jul 18, '16, 9:22 pm Dwyer Regular Member Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by UMB It's not like Trump is a slightly flawed candidate. He's awful. For all the reasons I listed. But he says he's pro-life, which would be worth something if he didn't lie all the time. I don't know what I'll do, but this will cost the Republicans the white house because enough solid R's can't stand him. Face it: Cruz and the rest of those other Primary candidates lost big time and they wouldn't win a General Election. Well, one thing is for sure, Hillary Clinton in unabashedly Pro-Abortion: Hillary Clinton hails SCOTUS ruling as win for 'safe, legal' abortion: Signalling an important shift, presumptive Democratic nominee drops 'rare' from description of abortions http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/hillary...tion-1.3655360 __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)   #79   Jul 18, '16, 9:24 pm Songcatcher Junior Member Join Date: August 13, 2015 Posts: 447 Religion: Lutheran/RCIA Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe Melania has been working with a speechwriter for the last five to six weeks, honing her speech. She stuck close to script delivering her remarks off a telepompter. http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/18/politi...eech-2016-rnc/ She plagiarized a Michelle Obama speech. Word for word. Michelle: "And Barack and I were raised with so many of the same values: that you work hard for what you want in life; that your word is your bond and you do what you say you’re going to do; that you treat people with dignity and respect, even if you don’t know them, and even if you don’t agree with them. And Barack and I set out to build lives guided by these values, and pass them on to the next generation. Because we want our children — and all children in this nation — to know that the only limit to the height of your achievements is the reach of your dreams and your willingness to work for them." Melania: From a young age, my parents impressed on me the values that you work hard for what you want in life, that your word is your bond and you do what you say and keep your promise. That you treat people with respect. They taught and showed me values and morals in their daily life. That is a lesson that I continue to pass along to our son. And we need to pass those lessons on to the many generations to follow. Because we want our children in this nation to know that their only limit to your achievements is the strength of your dreams and your willingness to work for them.   #80   Jul 18, '16, 9:24 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings She is a lovely women and delivered the speech well. It did seem highly scripted and I don't blame her for that. It certainly wasn't warm and fuzzy because she didn't give any personal anecdotes that would make us love Trump. That might have helped make them both more personable. I take this back. It seems they plagiarized the whole speech from Michelle Obama's speech.   #81   Jul 18, '16, 9:27 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe Melania has been working with a speechwriter for the last five to six weeks, honing her speech. She stuck close to script delivering her remarks off a telepompter. http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/18/politi...eech-2016-rnc/ It was totally plagiarized. Who is responsible for this? This is incredible.   #82   Jul 18, '16, 9:33 pm Songcatcher Junior Member Join Date: August 13, 2015 Posts: 447 Religion: Lutheran/RCIA Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings It was totally plagiarized. Who is responsible for this? This is incredible. Steve Schmidt and Chris Matthews are saying this was no accident. Someone sabotaged her. Maybe a "Dump Trump" speechwriter? She said she wrote it herself with just a little help.   #83   Jul 18, '16, 9:36 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Songcatcher Steve Schmidt and Chris Matthews are saying this was no accident. Someone sabotaged her. Maybe a "Dump Trump" speechwriter? She said she wrote it herself with just a little help. Here's something about the plagiarized paragraph from Michelle Obama's speech: Quote: Melania Trump’s highly anticipated speech at the Republican National Convention Monday night appears to have plagiarized a paragraph from Michelle Obama’s speech at the 2008 Democratic National Convention. Presumptive GOP nominee Donald Trump’s wife was describing how her parents imparted on her values about working hard and treating people with respect. "From a young age, my parents impressed on me the values that you work hard for what you want in life: that your word is your bond and you do what you say and keep your promise; that you treat people with respect,” Melania Trump said. “They taught and showed me values and morals in their daily life.” The first lady made similar remarks in 2008, saying both she and then-Sen. Barack Obama learned those same values when they were growing up. “And Barack and I were raised with so many of the same values: that you work hard for what you want in life; that your word is your bond and you do what you say you're going to do; that you treat people with dignity and respect, even if you don't know them, and even if you don't agree with them,” Michelle Obama said according to a transcript from CNN. NBC News released a clip late Monday night from a “Today” exclusive set to air Tuesday morning, in which Trump says, “I wrote it, with as little help as possible.” http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...le-obamas-2008 If she plagiarized this (which it appears that she did), she doesn't seem too smart to think that nobody would notice.   #84   Jul 18, '16, 9:37 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Songcatcher Steve Schmidt and Chris Matthews are saying this was no accident. Someone sabotaged her. Maybe a "Dump Trump" speechwriter? She said she wrote it herself with just a little help. The fact that she said she wrote it herself will be the problem. No one believed it in the first place, but this?   #85   Jul 18, '16, 9:42 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] I'm watching the coverage..It's word for word.   #86   Jul 18, '16, 9:44 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings I'm watching the coverage..It's word for word. I can hardly believe it. Trump's campaign is looking like one the of the most incompetent ones I've ever seen. If you do a google search under "Melania Trump speech plagiarized" you can see it being reported all over the Internet.   #87   Jul 18, '16, 9:46 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr I can hardly believe it. Trump's campaign is looking like one the of the most incompetent ones I've ever seen. If you do a google search under "Melania Trump speech plagiarized" you can see it being reported all over the Internet. Without a doubt.   #88   Jul 18, '16, 9:48 pm Songcatcher Junior Member Join Date: August 13, 2015 Posts: 447 Religion: Lutheran/RCIA Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings The fact that she said she wrote it herself will be the problem. No one believed it in the first place, but this? Yeah, I think it's way premature to blame the speechwriter, but I bet that's what Trump will do, whether it's true or not.   #89   Jul 18, '16, 9:51 pm Songcatcher Junior Member Join Date: August 13, 2015 Posts: 447 Religion: Lutheran/RCIA Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr I can hardly believe it. Trump's campaign is looking like one the of the most incompetent ones I've ever seen. If you do a google search under "Melania Trump speech plagiarized" you can see it being reported all over the Internet. It's pretty bad when the highlight of Day 1 of the GOP convention is...Michelle Obama's speech.   #90   Jul 18, '16, 9:51 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings Without a doubt. It's appearing in the mainstream press now. Here's an article about it at the Guardian: Quote: Melania Trump speech appears to plagiarize Michelle Obama's 2008 Democratic convention address Multiple lines spoken by Trump at Republican convention, about necessity of hard work and strong family values, nearly verbatim from Obama’s comments https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...michelle-obama Jul 18, '16, 9:52 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Songcatcher Yeah, I think it's way premature to blame the speechwriter, but I bet that's what Trump will do, whether it's true or not. Again I say "Without a doubt"   #92   Jul 18, '16, 9:55 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Songcatcher Yeah, I think it's way premature to blame the speechwriter, but I bet that's what Trump will do, whether it's true or not. Quote: NBC News released a clip late Monday night from a “Today” exclusive set to air Tuesday morning, in which Trump says, “I wrote it, with as little help as possible.” So Melania says that she wrote it herself with as little help as possible. I wonder how Donald is going to react. Maybe Melania's going to become ex-wife number three if she sinks his campaign on the first day of the Republican convention.   #93   Jul 18, '16, 9:56 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Songcatcher It's pretty bad when the highlight of Day 1 of the GOP convention is...Michelle Obama's speech. I guess there is a reason why I liked it. lol   #94   Jul 18, '16, 9:59 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr So Melania says that she wrote it herself with as little help as possible. I wonder how Donald is going to react. Maybe Melania's going to become ex-wife number three if she sinks his campaign on the first day of the Republican convention. That interview is going to be damaging. But it doesn't seem like anything can damage this candidate.   #95   Jul 18, '16, 10:00 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by UMB The nomination hasn't happened yet and I can only hope that it isn't too late that the delegates come to their senses and not nominate this man. If tonight isn't enough evidence, then I don't know what it will take! Don't hold your breath.   #96   Jul 18, '16, 10:13 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by UMB The delegates aren't idiots, but they are political. Most know they will lose the White House with Trump but they will likely lose it with someone else at this point (if they throw out Trump). They have to weigh how much worse Trump will be forthe brand and down ticket. I'm glad I'm out of the game. I think even my safe R spot on a county commission would be endangered by Trump - kidding, it really was safe, but I know the calculations that are going on right now. Consulting is so much easier! I'm sure that others are thinking the same thoughts regarding their job security.   #97   Jul 18, '16, 10:15 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr So Melania says that she wrote it herself with as little help as possible. I wonder how Donald is going to react. Maybe Melania's going to become ex-wife number three if she sinks his campaign on the first day of the Republican convention. First step is you fire the staffer. Step two is forget the whole thing.   #98   Jul 18, '16, 10:17 pm Strydersroom Banned Join Date: June 27, 2016 Posts: 504 Religion: agnostic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Lots and lots of fear and America is scary vibes tonight.   #99   Jul 18, '16, 10:18 pm Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,030 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Songcatcher She plagiarized a Michelle Obama speech. Word for word. Michelle: "And Barack and I were raised with so many of the same values: that you work hard for what you want in life; that your word is your bond and you do what you say you’re going to do; that you treat people with dignity and respect, even if you don’t know them, and even if you don’t agree with them. And Barack and I set out to build lives guided by these values, and pass them on to the next generation. Because we want our children — and all children in this nation — to know that the only limit to the height of your achievements is the reach of your dreams and your willingness to work for them." Melania: From a young age, my parents impressed on me the values that you work hard for what you want in life, that your word is your bond and you do what you say and keep your promise. That you treat people with respect. They taught and showed me values and morals in their daily life. That is a lesson that I continue to pass along to our son. And we need to pass those lessons on to the many generations to follow. Because we want our children in this nation to know that their only limit to your achievements is the strength of your dreams and your willingness to work for them. Wow! When they said she stuck to the speech, they weren't kidding, Songcatcher! Just not hers. Thanks for breaking us the news here on CAF. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #100   Jul 18, '16, 10:20 pm ATeNumquam Regular Member Join Date: May 31, 2004 Posts: 1,297 Religion: Catholic - gender, female Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by UMB I think God expect us not to act like idiots and nominate a reality show host as a Presidental candidate. I don't think you need to be afraid I agree that Trump is what you say, but I have faith that Americans are not idiots and he won't actually be elected! Even if it is a bit of a surprise that he's got this far! (The alternative isn't great... but anyone else is better, and it's only for 4 years?) __________________ A Te numquam separari permittas - never let me be parted from You   #101   Jul 18, '16, 10:21 pm Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,030 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings I guess there is a reason why I liked it. lol Gosh I'm sorry I missed it now because I would have liked Michelle's speech again too! __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #102   Jul 18, '16, 10:22 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Here's a funny comment I saw online: "And the part she plagiarized was about the value of respect and being true to your word. You couldn't make this up. You could but no one would believe it."   #103   Jul 18, '16, 10:32 pm ComplineSanFran Regular Member Join Date: June 17, 2015 Posts: 2,521 Religion: Anglican Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr Here's a funny comment I saw online: "And the part she plagiarized was about the value of respect and being true to your word. You couldn't make this up. You could but no one would believe it." My favorite tweet: 'In hindsight, it did seem a bit odd when Melania talked about the challenges of being a black woman at Princeton.' Michael Crowley   #104   Jul 18, '16, 10:46 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,627 Religion: Jewish Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Who was paying attention to what Melania was saying, anyhow? I know I wasn't, and neither were most men, I bet.   #105   Jul 18, '16, 10:53 pm Strydersroom Banned Join Date: June 27, 2016 Posts: 504 Religion: agnostic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Who was paying attention to what Melania was saying, anyhow? I know I wasn't, and neither were most men, I bet. Trust me, in the morning that's all everyone will be talking about, since she was literally saying the exact words Michelle Obama said. Plagiarism fail. Jul 18, '16, 10:58 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,627 Religion: Jewish Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Strydersroom Trust me, in the morning that's all everyone will be talking about, since she was literally saying the exact words Michelle Obama said. Plagiarism fail. Oh, I know. I just thought I'd interject a little humor into the overly serious discussion regarding Melania's speech.   #107   Jul 18, '16, 11:01 pm Strydersroom Banned Join Date: June 27, 2016 Posts: 504 Religion: agnostic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Oh, I know. I just thought I'd interject a little humor into the overly serious discussion regarding Melania's speech. Well she is quite striking and twas a great speech albeit not hers   #108   Jul 18, '16, 11:01 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Strydersroom Trust me, in the morning that's all everyone will be talking about, since she was literally saying the exact words Michelle Obama said. Plagiarism fail. It's already in most major newspapers: New York Times Washington Post Los Angeles Times The Guardian Chicago Tribune USA Today Interestingly enough, however, people online were saying that it was not being reported by Fox. It's also not at the Wall Street Journal (also owned by Rupert Murdoch), at least not yet.   #109   Jul 18, '16, 11:03 pm Padres1969 Regular Member Join Date: October 28, 2015 Posts: 5,291 Religion: Episcopalian Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Strydersroom Well she is quite striking and twas a great speech albeit not hers I hope the irony of the RNC giving a standing ovation to Mrs. Obama 8 years late isn't lost on anyone... Here's a link to the Times article. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/us...smtyp=cur&_r=0   #110   Jul 18, '16, 11:51 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Some of the talking heads I've been listing to, including Democratic ones, are saying that this was a deliberate act of sabotage by one of the Trump campaign's speech writers against Trump and his wife and that Trump needs to find out who it was and fire them or this will be devastating to his campaign. He can't just ignore it and hope it will go away. Some of them are describing this as an assault on his family. Some of them see this as a test of how Trump handles himself. I do feel kind of sorry for Melania.   #111   Jul 19, '16, 12:05 am Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Forget the idea that the Trump campaign is going to handle this in a reasonable way. They're just going to pretend that the plagiarism isn't there and hope this will all go away, but it won't. Maybe it will sink his campaign: Quote: The plagiarism accusations began to swirl just minutes after Trump finished her speech, when a Twitter user noted the similarities between the two speeches. It took a few hours for the Trump campaign to release a statement, which wound up not addressing the scandal at all. "In writing her beautiful speech, Melania's team of writers took notes on her life's inspirations, and in some instances included fragments that reflected her own thinking," said Jason Miller, senior communications advisor. "Melania's immigrant experience and love for America shone through in her speech, which made it such a success." http://www.theweek.com/speedreads/63...speech-success   #112   Jul 19, '16, 1:24 am didymus Veteran Member Radio Club Member Join Date: April 5, 2005 Posts: 10,387 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by ComplineSanFran My favorite tweet: 'In hindsight, it did seem a bit odd when Melania talked about the challenges of being a black woman at Princeton.' Michael Crowley My fav so far: pourmecoffee Verified account ‏@pourmecoffee Easy to snark, but so many decisions running a convention, like do you play Scott Baio on to "Joanie Loves Chachi" or "Charles in Charge"? __________________ It's not hoarding if it's BOOKS.   #113   Jul 19, '16, 1:51 am _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,523 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr Forget the idea that the Trump campaign is going to handle this in a reasonable way. They're just going to pretend that the plagiarism isn't there and hope this will all go away, but it won't. Maybe it will sink his campaign: http://www.theweek.com/speedreads/63...speech-success She said in a interview in regards to the speech, "I wrote it...With a little help as possible". I think if it was Donald Trump's speech himself, it may end his campaign but as bad as these claims of plagiarism are, it's his wife's speech, it's not Donald Trump's speech so I sincerely doubt this will "sink his campaign". It's bizarre. Why would she or anybody else who contributed to the writing of that speech, go to Michelle Obama's speech and lift things and put it in a speech that Melania Trump then reads... surely they would know it would be spotted!? Why would you do something that would be so obviously exposed?! On the face of it, comparing the two speeches you can see why it would be seen as plagiarism, but it is not entirely out of the realm of possibility that it is a coincidence and it wasn't plagarised __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org Last edited by _Abyssinia; Jul 19, '16 at 2:06 am.   #114   Jul 19, '16, 2:26 am _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,523 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Not making may excuses for any real genuine plagiarism, but in American politics, accusations of plagiarism, don't seem to be entirely unusual. Barack Obama has been a accused of having a speech plagarised by a speechwriter of George Bush's: http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/...ed-bush-182184 Joe Biden has been accused of plagiarism: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...ite_stuff.html Hillary Clinton has even be accused of plagiarism in regards to Bernie Sanders: http://observer.com/2016/03/hillary-...ant-plagarism/ Ben Carson has been accused of plagiarism: http://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/08/po...arism-charges/ I'm sure there are probably other accusations in regards to Republicans. I don't know whether each of these individuals all actually plagarised but the accusations are out there. __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org   #115   Jul 19, '16, 5:23 am ATeNumquam Regular Member Join Date: May 31, 2004 Posts: 1,297 Religion: Catholic - gender, female Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr It's already in most major newspapers: New York Times Washington Post Los Angeles Times The Guardian Chicago Tribune USA Today Interestingly enough, however, people online were saying that it was not being reported by Fox. It's also not at the Wall Street Journal (also owned by Rupert Murdoch), at least not yet. We saw her say this on our evening TV news in New Zealand, followed by Michelle Obama's version. LOL __________________ A Te numquam separari permittas - never let me be parted from You   #116   Jul 19, '16, 5:29 am Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Appearing on CNN Tuesday morning, Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort completely denied that Melania Trump’s speech plagiarized Michelle Obama’s, and even blamed Hillary Clinton for igniting the controversy. http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/watc...he-contoversy/ Anyone buying this?   #117   Jul 19, '16, 5:44 am Cider Regular Member Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2007 Posts: 4,817 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr After watching Rudy Giuliani's speech, instead of "making American great again," I think that Trump is going to make us into a bunch of quivering scaredy-cats. What I heard during his speech was, "fear, fear, fear, fear, be afraid, be afraid...." The Dems say the same thing, fear fear fear.   #118   Jul 19, '16, 5:49 am estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe That was an awful 8th! About as bad as the Astros giving up five runs with two outs in the fifth . At least the Rangers lost   #119   Jul 19, '16, 5:50 am estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings Appearing on CNN Tuesday morning, Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort completely denied that Melania Trump’s speech plagiarized Michelle Obama’s, and even blamed Hillary Clinton for igniting the controversy. http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/watc...he-contoversy/ Anyone buying this? I could not care less.   #120   Jul 19, '16, 5:52 am Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,403 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by ComplineSanFran My favorite tweet: 'In hindsight, it did seem a bit odd when Melania talked about the challenges of being a black woman at Princeton.' Michael Crowley __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth. Jul 19, '16, 5:53 am lynnvinc Regular Member Join Date: May 20, 2010 Posts: 5,182 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] The Republican Convention -- a total sewer hole. What really scares me is White Christian terrorists, who have been terrorizing the non-white world for centuries and still can go "pop" any time and kill me or my husband (who is a non-white Indian, good Catholic, 2 uncles were priests, but is often mistaken for a middle easterner by uneducated White Christian terrorists and others). I don't want to blame these white attacks on psycho problems (even tho a lot of non-white so-called "terrorist" attacks can be so blamed) or "the devil made 'em do it." It is a White Christian (that has nothing to do with real Christianity, esp as it is practiced in the non-white world) culture of superiority and hate problem. It is just inherent in their (our...since I am a white Christian too) culture. Scary times. The Republicans scare me and my husband. He doesn't even want me to wear my beautiful Indian cotton tops in public anymore.....ever since Trump-crazy-hate became so popular this past year. __________________ "The Lord God lives before whom I stand." -- 1 Kings 17:1 "Preach the Gospel at all times and if necessary use words." -- St. Francis of Assisi "I want to spend my Heaven doing good on Earth." -- St. Therese of the Child Jesus   #122   Jul 19, '16, 5:55 am GaryTaylor Forum Elder Join Date: March 30, 2010 Posts: 26,098 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia I'm sure there are probably other accusations in regards to Republicans. Anyway, I think her speech and the convention was well done, lots of good analysis of Obama-Clinton. But it's official the "LDS faith "was" a big part of the convention" I'm told most of the noise was from their peoples backing Romney-Bush in support for nevertrump. Aside from that which is predictable and perhaps may be seen one more time, I thought it was done well for an opening day, Usual red-meat Giuliani, lots of Vets speaking. Quote: Giuliani echoed the sentiments that were felt throughout the entire day from the mother of a Benghazi victim, Patricia Smith, Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke and several others. “I blame Hillary Clinton personally for the death of my son,” Smith said earlier in the night. Her son Sean was killed in the Benghazi terror attack.   #123   Jul 19, '16, 6:03 am Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,403 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings Appearing on CNN Tuesday morning, Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort completely denied that Melania Trump’s speech plagiarized Michelle Obama’s, and even blamed Hillary Clinton for igniting the controversy. http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/watc...he-contoversy/ Anyone buying this? I think possibly that Hillary sneaked in backstage, and switched the speeches and put in Michelle Obama's old speech. I actually don't think that at all. I'm just amazed that someone let this poor thing go out and make this speech, knowing that the world was watching. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #124   Jul 19, '16, 6:05 am GaryTaylor Forum Elder Join Date: March 30, 2010 Posts: 26,098 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by lynnvinc The Republican Convention -- a total sewer hole. What really scares me is White Christian terrorists, who have been terrorizing the non-white world for centuries and still can go "pop" any time and kill me or my husband (who is a non-white Indian, good Catholic, 2 uncles were priests, but is often mistaken for a middle easterner by uneducated White Christian terrorists and others). I don't want to blame these white attacks on psycho problems (even tho a lot of non-white so-called "terrorist" attacks can be so blamed) or "the devil made 'em do it." It is a White Christian (that has nothing to do with real Christianity, esp as it is practiced in the non-white world) culture of superiority and hate problem. It is just inherent in their (our...since I am a white Christian too) culture. Scary times. The Republicans scare me and my husband. He doesn't even want me to wear my beautiful Indian cotton tops in public anymore.....ever since Trump-crazy-hate became so popular this past year. Really, well you must feel the same about Hillary and all her white friends in the DNC. There is no such thing as a inherent white racist country. Its a Clinton fairytale which by large she and her husband are responsible for. In 2001 the penal system via Clinton law became the largest penal system in the world and institutionalized racism. So Obama is half racist? Is that the part he has been acting off of looking out for all of us?   #125   Jul 19, '16, 6:09 am gracepoole Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 I think possibly that Hillary sneaked in backstage, and switched the speeches and put in Michelle Obama's old speech. I actually don't think that at all. I'm just amazed that someone let this poor thing go out and make this speech, knowing that the world was watching. Smells like sabotage to me but not from without -- rather from within. So the question I have is who from within the Donald's campaign would attempt to sabotage Melania's speech and make them both look foolish?   #126   Jul 19, '16, 6:10 am queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by lynnvinc The Republican Convention -- a total sewer hole. What really scares me is White Christian terrorists, who have been terrorizing the non-white world for centuries and still can go "pop" any time and kill me or my husband (who is a non-white Indian, good Catholic, 2 uncles were priests, but is often mistaken for a middle easterner by uneducated White Christian terrorists and others). I don't want to blame these white attacks on psycho problems (even tho a lot of non-white so-called "terrorist" attacks can be so blamed) or "the devil made 'em do it." It is a White Christian (that has nothing to do with real Christianity, esp as it is practiced in the non-white world) culture of superiority and hate problem. It is just inherent in their (our...since I am a white Christian too) culture. Scary times. The Republicans scare me and my husband. He doesn't even want me to wear my beautiful Indian cotton tops in public anymore.....ever since Trump-crazy-hate became so popular this past year. This is breaking news to me. Trump hates Indians? White Christians hate Indians and kill them at will in today's america? Our country's biggest problem right now is white Christians? You don't consider yourself part of the Christian community?   #127   Jul 19, '16, 6:10 am lynnvinc Regular Member Join Date: May 20, 2010 Posts: 5,182 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] RE these Muslim Extremist Terrorists they spoke of. As soon as the attack in Nice happened I understood a lot. I have Indian relatives in France and I can say that the discrimination there is really bad -- half wages for the same work and general bigotry and discrimination. It's bad, it affects their children, who think their families are inferior, etc. Now you take someone with psycho or sociopathic tendencies (there are folks like that in every race, creed, and color), shower him/her with racism and discrimination, add in a Western militaristic cultural factor, a dash of Western individualism and lack of empathy for others, and these are fertile grounds for at least some of so-called "Muslim Extremist terrorist" attacks - at least the Orlando and Nice attacks, and perhaps others. Polarization is NOT a way to solve problems. That is the crux of the Christian message.....if there are those with ears to hear it. __________________ "The Lord God lives before whom I stand." -- 1 Kings 17:1 "Preach the Gospel at all times and if necessary use words." -- St. Francis of Assisi "I want to spend my Heaven doing good on Earth." -- St. Therese of the Child Jesus   #128   Jul 19, '16, 6:12 am TMC Senior Member Join Date: October 15, 2007 Posts: 6,724 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia She said in a interview in regards to the speech, "I wrote it...With a little help as possible". I think if it was Donald Trump's speech himself, it may end his campaign but as bad as these claims of plagiarism are, it's his wife's speech, it's not Donald Trump's speech so I sincerely doubt this will "sink his campaign". It's bizarre. Why would she or anybody else who contributed to the writing of that speech, go to Michelle Obama's speech and lift things and put it in a speech that Melania Trump then reads... surely they would know it would be spotted!? Why would you do something that would be so obviously exposed?! On the face of it, comparing the two speeches you can see why it would be seen as plagiarism, but it is not entirely out of the realm of possibility that it is a coincidence and it wasn't plagarised It was not a coincidence, but it was almost certainly not deliberate. It was a stupid mistake by a staffer. I'm sure they looked at past spouse speeches for inspiration. Trump himself said he was doing the same for his speech (looking at past acceptance speeches). Nothing wrong with that. And these quotes from Michelle were probably among the many ideas, and quotes, and themes they had compiled. Somewhere in the process someone stuck this material from Michelle into the text, almost certainly forgetting that is where it came from. Its sloppy. The staff is supposed to check for exactly that kind of mistake. But it was almost certainly a mistake. Here is the real problem - the campaign's response has been terrible. They should have looked into it, admitted it happened, said it was a mistake, and maybe considered firing whatever unfortunate staff member was assigned to help write the speech. But instead they denied it, doubled down, and turned a embarrassing hiccup into a medium-sized big deal. The last few days have been a series of these kinds of screw ups. If it keeps up it will undercut Trump's main message--that he is an accomplished and capable person who is good at running things. Makes you wonder if we will be seeing another change in campaign manager. __________________ Who are you to pass judgment on someone else's servant? Romans 14:4   #129   Jul 19, '16, 6:12 am estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by lynnvinc RE these Muslim Extremist Terrorists they spoke of. As soon as the attack in Nice happened I understood a lot. I have Indian relatives in France and I can say that the discrimination there is really bad -- half wages for the same work and general bigotry and discrimination. It's bad, it affects their children, who think their families are inferior, etc. Now you take someone with psycho or sociopathic tendencies (there are folks like that in every race, creed, and color), shower him/her with racism and discrimination, add in a Western militaristic cultural factor, a dash of Western individualism and lack of empathy for others, and these are fertile grounds for at least some of so-called "Muslim Extremist terrorist" attacks - at least the Orlando and Nice attacks, and perhaps others. Polarization is NOT a way to solve problems. That is the crux of the Christian message.....if there are those with ears to hear it. So the French brought this upon themselves?   #130   Jul 19, '16, 6:15 am TMC Senior Member Join Date: October 15, 2007 Posts: 6,724 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 I think possibly that Hillary sneaked in backstage, and switched the speeches and put in Michelle Obama's old speech. I actually don't think that at all. I'm just amazed that someone let this poor thing go out and make this speech, knowing that the world was watching. You have to feel for her. She is not a politician. It has been reported that she did not want to give a speech, but the staff pressured her into it. Then they let this happen. __________________ Who are you to pass judgment on someone else's servant? Romans 14:4   #131   Jul 19, '16, 6:15 am Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,403 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] And super star Antonio Sabato Jr presented last night. (he's not a super star, really he was on General Hospital, and some reality tv) He said in his speech that Obama is Muslim. When he is Christian. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/anton...ry?id=40687052 They just couldn't have a convention without a bit of conspiracy theory in there. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #132   Jul 19, '16, 6:16 am stinkcat_14 Veteran Member Join Date: June 26, 2005 Posts: 10,555 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by lynnvinc RE these Muslim Extremist Terrorists they spoke of. As soon as the attack in Nice happened I understood a lot. I have Indian relatives in France and I can say that the discrimination there is really bad -- half wages for the same work and general bigotry and discrimination. It's bad, it affects their children, who think their families are inferior, etc. Now you take someone with psycho or sociopathic tendencies (there are folks like that in every race, creed, and color), shower him/her with racism and discrimination, add in a Western militaristic cultural factor, a dash of Western individualism and lack of empathy for others, and these are fertile grounds for at least some of so-called "Muslim Extremist terrorist" attacks - at least the Orlando and Nice attacks, and perhaps others. Polarization is NOT a way to solve problems. That is the crux of the Christian message.....if there are those with ears to hear it. And this is the fault of the republicans?   #133   Jul 19, '16, 6:17 am lynnvinc Regular Member Join Date: May 20, 2010 Posts: 5,182 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv This is breaking news to me. Trump hates Indians? White Christians hate Indians and kill them at will in today's america? Our country's biggest problem right now is white Christians? You don't consider yourself part of the Christian community? Let me explain after 9/11 the hatred towards my husband we saw on the faces of people we met in public. It was bad, really bad. If any had been a bit touched and had a gun, we may have been victims, as many Indians, especially Sikhs with their distinctive turbans, were. Killed, attacked by white guys out to get them some Arabs. And even before that. Right after the Oklahoma City bombing, before they knew it was White Christian Terrorists, many thought it was Arabs. I wanted to go to an Earth Day event the following week in a park, but my husband said "no," bec he feared some White Guy with a Gun might be there and take pot-hots at us. __________________ "The Lord God lives before whom I stand." -- 1 Kings 17:1 "Preach the Gospel at all times and if necessary use words." -- St. Francis of Assisi "I want to spend my Heaven doing good on Earth." -- St. Therese of the Child Jesus   #134   Jul 19, '16, 6:20 am Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,403 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gracepoole Smells like sabotage to me but not from without -- rather from within. So the question I have is who from within the Donald's campaign would attempt to sabotage Melania's speech and make them both look foolish? I'm not sure it's sabotage. Just incompetence. I can imagine some lower level staff member googled "First Lady Convention Speeches", and put this together for her. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #135   Jul 19, '16, 6:20 am gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by lynnvinc Let me explain after 9/11 the hatred towards my husband we saw on the faces of people we met in public. It was bad, really bad. If any had been a bit touched and had a gun, we may have been victims, as many Indians, especially Sikhs with their distinctive turbans, were. Killed, attacked by white guys out to get them some Arabs. And even before that. Right after the Oklahoma City bombing, before they knew it was White Christian Terrorists, many thought it was Arabs. I wanted to go to an Earth Day event the following week in a park, but my husband said "no," bec he feared some White Guy with a Gun might be there and take pot-hots at us. It sounds like this has very little to do with Republicans and more to do with where you live. __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology Jul 19, '16, 6:20 am meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,627 Religion: Jewish Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by lynnvinc The Republican Convention -- a total sewer hole. What really scares me is White Christian terrorists, who have been terrorizing the non-white world for centuries and still can go "pop" any time and kill me or my husband (who is a non-white Indian, good Catholic, 2 uncles were priests, but is often mistaken for a middle easterner by uneducated White Christian terrorists and others). I don't want to blame these white attacks on psycho problems (even tho a lot of non-white so-called "terrorist" attacks can be so blamed) or "the devil made 'em do it." It is a White Christian (that has nothing to do with real Christianity, esp as it is practiced in the non-white world) culture of superiority and hate problem. It is just inherent in their (our...since I am a white Christian too) culture. Scary times. The Republicans scare me and my husband. He doesn't even want me to wear my beautiful Indian cotton tops in public anymore.....ever since Trump-crazy-hate became so popular this past year. I saw a lot of Hillary bashing at the RNC, which is to be expected and will, I am sure, be transformed into Trump bashing at the DNC. But I did not see any White Christian hatred toward Indians or any other group. Maybe fear, but not hate. Outside the convention, yes, there are lunatics in both major parties although I would say it is probably Muslim fanatics who are most to be feared today with regard to mass murder.   #137   Jul 19, '16, 6:25 am lynnvinc Regular Member Join Date: May 20, 2010 Posts: 5,182 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv This is breaking news to me. Trump hates Indians? White Christians hate Indians and kill them at will in today's america? Our country's biggest problem right now is white Christians? You don't consider yourself part of the Christian community? And let me explain this. Even decades ago when we where entering a saree shop in a big US city, someone passed by in a car and threw eggs at us and the lady in a saree who was entering at the same time with us. That's not as bad as the rocks they were throwing at Indians in other cities, or the hate-crime murders (torture and murder) against them. I think most whites live in a bubble world and do not really know what some whites are doing against non-whites out there, so they are very very surprised when some non-white loses it and goes on a rampage. As mentioned there are psycho- and sociopaths in every race, color, and creed. __________________ "The Lord God lives before whom I stand." -- 1 Kings 17:1 "Preach the Gospel at all times and if necessary use words." -- St. Francis of Assisi "I want to spend my Heaven doing good on Earth." -- St. Therese of the Child Jesus   #138   Jul 19, '16, 6:25 am queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] The most plausible explanation for Melania speech： https://mobile.twitter.com/ScottAdam...87925919993857   #139   Jul 19, '16, 6:26 am gracepoole Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 I'm not sure it's sabotage. Just incompetence. I can imagine some lower level staff member googled "First Lady Convention Speeches", and put this together for her. Incompetence doesn't seem to fit here. Plagiarism of this magnitude (lifting exact language and not merely ideas) is designed and purposeful. Incompetence suggests a "whoopsie" occurred, when that isn't possible here. If Trump's campaign staffers don't recognize this as plagiarism, there are far bigger issues here regarding the ability to identify truth and theft.   #140   Jul 19, '16, 6:26 am gracepoole Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv The most plausible explanation for Melania speech： https://mobile.twitter.com/ScottAdam...87925919993857 Wow, that's working REALLY hard to spin it.   #141   Jul 19, '16, 6:27 am queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by lynnvinc And let me explain this. Even decades ago when we where entering a saree shop in a big US city, someone passed by in a car and threw eggs at us and the lady in a saree who was entering at the same time with us. That's not as bad as the rocks they were throwing at Indians in other cities, or the hate-crime murders (torture and murder) against them. I think most whites live in a bubble world and do not really know what some whites are doing against non-whites out there, so they are very very surprised when some non-white loses it and goes on a rampage. As mentioned there are psycho- and sociopaths in every race, color, and creed. How do you know it was white Christians doing this?   #142   Jul 19, '16, 6:27 am GaryTaylor Forum Elder Join Date: March 30, 2010 Posts: 26,098 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Let me explain after 9/11 the hatred towards my husband we saw on the faces of people we met in public. It was bad, really bad. If any had been a bit touched and had a gun, we may have been victims, as many Indians, especially Sikhs with their distinctive turbans, were. Killed, attached by white guys out to get them some Arabs. And even before that. Right after the Oklahoma City bombing, before they knew it was White Christian Terrorists, many thought it was Arabs. I wanted to go to an Earth Day event the following week in a park, but my husband said "no," bec he feared some White Guy with a Gun might be there and take pot-hots at us. January 20, 1993 – January 20, 2001 was Clinton, 911 Sept 2001. Probably a democrat! 1995 Oklahoma City bombing- Clinton, They just don't get it.   #143   Jul 19, '16, 6:29 am lynnvinc Regular Member Join Date: May 20, 2010 Posts: 5,182 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam It sounds like this has very little to do with Republicans and more to do with where you live. We actually live in a great place now -- 90% Latino and a good portion of whites are elderly retirees. It is the rest of America that is dangerous. We've been there. We know. Republicans add fuel to the fire with their rhetoric, as do some Democrats. I came from a very different Republican stock -- the Lincoln & Teddy Roosevelt Republicans -- and I was very carefully and conscientiously taught not to be racist by my Republican mom. __________________ "The Lord God lives before whom I stand." -- 1 Kings 17:1 "Preach the Gospel at all times and if necessary use words." -- St. Francis of Assisi "I want to spend my Heaven doing good on Earth." -- St. Therese of the Child Jesus   #144   Jul 19, '16, 6:29 am GaryTaylor Forum Elder Join Date: March 30, 2010 Posts: 26,098 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv How do you know it was white Christians doing this? Hillary said so?   #145   Jul 19, '16, 6:33 am meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,627 Religion: Jewish Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob I could not care less. Me neither. This is really small potatoes. Let's get back to the issues.   #146   Jul 19, '16, 6:34 am Saints Alive Regular Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: September 10, 2012 Posts: 1,240 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Now practicing saying " Mrs. President " Trump is either a plant to sabotage the Republican party or the speech was sabotaged. Only two explanations feasible. That's how Democrats roll. __________________ Go Cubs !   #147   Jul 19, '16, 6:37 am GaryTaylor Forum Elder Join Date: March 30, 2010 Posts: 26,098 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by lynnvinc We actually live in a great place now -- 90% Latino and a good portion of whites are elderly retirees. It is the rest of America that is dangerous. We've been there. We know. Republicans add fuel to the fire with their rhetoric, as do some Democrats. I came from a very different Republican stock -- the Lincoln & Teddy Roosevelt Republicans -- and I was very carefully and conscientiously taught not to be racist by my Republican mom. Where specifically are the rest of americans white racists located? You been there you should then be able to systematically show us the demographics. You mean the confederates like Clinton, Carter, Johnson from Stonewall?   #148   Jul 19, '16, 6:39 am lynnvinc Regular Member Join Date: May 20, 2010 Posts: 5,182 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] I'm just trying to make people aware of the difference between a "marked" and "unmarked" status and the implications for harm and violence escalation. Non-whites, Muslims, Arabs, blacks, Latinos -- these are "marked" statuses, so that if any person in that category does something bad, it is often attributed to the whole category.....and if he/she does something good it is often "anomalized" or explained away. White and male -- these are "unmarked" status, so that if any person in those categories does something bad it is not attributed to his category but to that person alone, and if that person happens to be Christian, Christianity is not even considered a factor.....the bad behavior is "anomalized" or explained away as due to something else. If Democrats also engage in that type of prejudice and discrimination (which many do), I am against that too, just as much as I am with Republicans. What is really disgusting is that top Republicans (politicians, esp Trump and his ilk) are doing this from a position of high prestige and attention. That's what's really disgusting and outrageous....and harmful to ALL in its polarizing effect. __________________ "The Lord God lives before whom I stand." -- 1 Kings 17:1 "Preach the Gospel at all times and if necessary use words." -- St. Francis of Assisi "I want to spend my Heaven doing good on Earth." -- St. Therese of the Child Jesus   #149   Jul 19, '16, 6:40 am _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,523 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Gov Chris Christie was asked whether it was plagarised and and he said "Not when 93% of the speech is completely different than Michelle Obama's speech." https://twitter.com/todayshow/status/755365362569351169 I'm not sure where he got that number from. If it was plagarised, it would still be 7% plagiarised, and that wouldn't be acceptable, but I don't think it is absolutely 100% definitive it was plagarised. Why would 7% of Melania Trump's entire speech be taken from a speech by Michelle Obama? At the end of the day, the Trump campaign is going to deny it was plagarised, some others are going to say it was... unless something else comes forward to give more information, it's just going to go around in circles. Chris Christie may be right though in the last statement in that clip, the conversation may have largely moved on after the next round of speeches at the RNC. __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org   #150   Jul 19, '16, 6:42 am GaryTaylor Forum Elder Join Date: March 30, 2010 Posts: 26,098 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by lynnvinc I'm just trying to make people aware of the difference between a "marked" and "unmarked" status and the implications for harm and violence escalation. Non-whites, Muslims, Arabs, blacks, Latinos -- these are "marked" statuses, so that if any person in that category does something bad, it is often attributed to the whole category.....and if he/she does something good it is often "anomalized" or explained away. White and male -- these are "unmarked" status, so that if any person in those categories does something bad it is not attributed to his category but to that person alone, and if that person happens to be Christian, Christianity is not even considered a factor.....the bad behavior is "anomalized" or explained away as due to something else. If Democrats also engage in that type of prejudice and discrimination (which many do), I am against that too, just as much as I am with Republicans. What is really disgusting is that top Republicans (politicians, esp Trump and his ilk) are doing this from a position of high prestige and attention. That's what's really disgusting and outrageous....and harmful to ALL in its polarizing effect. How about this, how about you get past the racist accusations and get to proving a point? These are nothing but racist rants.   Jul 19, '16, 6:46 pm CrossofChrist Regular Member Join Date: March 31, 2013 Posts: 2,449 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Ion Why do you think this matter is not important for Trump? A number of reasons, but for starters explore his website and you tell me how much it matters to Trump. __________________ "In everything, I want to base myself on the authority of the Church, and I want the whole world to know that I adhere to this authority alone." --Blessed Antonio Rosmini, in response to 2 of his works being put on the Index. Apply this attitude to my posts if they fall short in some way.   #392   Jul 19, '16, 6:55 pm Expatreprocedit Regular Member Join Date: February 24, 2014 Posts: 1,161 Religion: Orthodox Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S One of the most important speeches,really? Yup. It was meant to be the big kick-off to the convention.   #393   Jul 19, '16, 6:56 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,627 Religion: Jewish Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Christie also spoke well in his own prosecutorial way, charging Hillary Clinton of being guilty of a number of poor judgments mainly concerning foreign policy.   #394   Jul 19, '16, 6:59 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Christie also spoke well in his own prosecutorial way, charging Hillary Clinton of being guilty of a number of poor judgments mainly concerning foreign policy. And do you trust that Trump will have a good foreign policy?   #395   Jul 19, '16, 7:03 pm Trader Regular Member Join Date: June 28, 2007 Posts: 3,894 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr Forget the idea that the Trump campaign is going to handle this in a reasonable way. They're just going to pretend that the plagiarism isn't there and hope this will all go away, but it won't. Maybe it will sink his campaign: http://www.theweek.com/speedreads/63...speech-success What's the big deal? For years we have been waiting for the parties to agree on anything, especially basic values. We already know how well Obama has kept his promises. How much worse can Trump do?   #396   Jul 19, '16, 7:04 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,627 Religion: Jewish Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr And do you trust that Trump will have a good foreign policy? Not really. He seems to be essentially a nationalist or isolationist, not really interested in a global economy or trade policies. OTOH, he would probably be less likely to engage in useless wars compared to Hillary. No, I do not trust him. It is much easier for the Republicans to knock down Hillary than to build up Trump.   #397   Jul 19, '16, 7:15 pm Ion Regular Member Join Date: April 3, 2012 Posts: 1,440 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Siegehammer Melania Trump plagiarizing Mrs. Obama is unsurprising because Trump himself is someone who doesn't hesitate to steal: Last night Donald went on stage to Queen’s “We Are the Champions,” despite the fact that Brian May, their lead guitarist, has repeatedly asked him to stop using their music. Earlier in the campaign, Donald plagiarized Dr. Ben Carson. He's stolen people’s labor by refusing to pay them for their work. Trump Institute used plagiarized materials in their courses. Trump's stolen people's money through that scam otherwise known as Trump University. Trump's stolen people's homes. Trump's stolen from vendors by refusing to pay his bills. Trump's decades-long track record of stealing clearly demonstrates that he is an unrepentant thief. He takes everything, except - of course - responsibility for the damage he causes with his cheating and larceny. First of all, without checking the acusation, they look like longshoots. Since when somebody after selling his rights decide where asnd when his music can be used? Im positive its legfal but phrased to look bad... And plagiarism? In politics? You must be kiddin. If Melani thinks kind of the same way like her predecessor, than what, check it up asll the speech ... Trump univercity? Why didnt they got out after the fgirsdt month? A banckrupt bussines will pay legally the bills and workers and for sure not entirely, not Trump personal problkem. Cheating ? Another longshoot. Divorced and remaried is wrong but hes not a catholic. Compared with both Clintons Trump looks like a saint.   #398   Jul 19, '16, 7:18 pm DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Ion First of all, without checking the acusation, they look like longshoots. Since when somebody after selling his rights decide where asnd when his music can be used? Im positive its legfal but phrased to look bad... And plagiarism? In politics? You must be kiddin. If Melani thinks kind of the same way like her predecessor, than what, check it up asll the speech ... Trump univercity? Why didnt they got out after the fgirsdt month? A banckrupt bussines will pay legally the bills and workers and for sure not entirely, not Trump personal problkem. Cheating ? Another longshoot. Divorced and remaried is wrong but hes not a catholic. Compared with both Clintons Trump looks like a saint. Or as Donald Trump Jr. just said "she'd be the first president who couldn't pass a basic background check". __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #399   Jul 19, '16, 7:26 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY Or as Donald Trump Jr. just said "she'd be the first president who couldn't pass a basic background check". Don junior knocked it out of the park tonight. Tiffany trump was great too. I don't know how anyone who listens to trumps children could help feeling admiration for the man trump is. The speeches given by nonpoliticians tonight again are the best of the bunch. Those who have been mentored and supported in business by trump know that he means what he says, knows how to spot talent, works hard, and has the ability to make the country great again.   #400   Jul 19, '16, 7:44 pm Dwyer Regular Member Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by CrossofChrist Not sure what to do at this point......If Trump wins the election, the pro-family cause becomes increasingly irrelevant in political life......I mean if Trump can win the Republican primaries barely paying lip service to socially conservative causes, and then wins the election, the GOP might abandon them altogether......but maybe Trump elects SC judges that will help the cause. If Trump loses the election, the SC potentially is stacked with socially left judges, but the pro-family movement likely lives on in the political scene as Cruz, Rubio, etc. could make a strong showing in 2020. That is, unless new judges in the SC being liberal cause the Republicans to abandon social conservatism altogether. I don't agree with your analysis. Clinton champions Roe v. Wade. Hillary Clinton hails SCOTUS ruling as win for 'safe, legal' abortion: Signalling an important shift, presumptive Democratic nominee drops 'rare' from description of abortions http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/hillary...tion-1.3655360 Given the ages of some of the current justices (i.e., Justices Ginsburg (age 83), Breyer (77), and Kennedy (79), the next president could make up to four appointments during his or her term. If that is the case, the majority on the court — whether conservative or liberal — would be locked in for a couple of generations, past the middle of the century, as justices serve for life. Quote: Trump unveils list of 11 potential Supreme Court picks "I am going to give a list of either five or 10 judges that I will pick, 100 percent pick, that I will put in for nomination. Because some of the people that are against me say: `We don't know if he's going to pick the right judge. Supposing he picks a liberal judge or supposing he picks a pro-choice judge,"' Trump said at an event in Palm Beach, Florida . . . “Donald Trump's list of potential Supreme Court nominees are a woman’s worst nightmare," Ilyse Hogue, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America said in a statement. "His vision appears to be turning the court into an ideological instrument instead of an arbiter of the bedrock values of our country -justice, freedom, and equality" . . . The Susan B. Anthony List, a pro-life non-profit, called Trump's list an "exceptionally strong list of jurists with immense respect for our founding documents." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...-justices.html __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)   #401   Jul 19, '16, 7:50 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] One interesting thing from the coverage by both ABC and CBS is that they pointed out how many empty seats there were at the convention. Someone from ABC said that they had never seen so many empty seats during prime time at a national political convention. Many delegates from the New Hampshire delegation had left early one commentator was saying.   #402   Jul 19, '16, 7:50 pm Hoosier Daddy Forum Master Join Date: August 13, 2013 Posts: 12,162 Religion: Still Catholic...... Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Don junior knocked it out of the park tonight. Tiffany trump was great too. I don't know how anyone who listens to trumps children could help feeling admiration for the man trump is. The speeches given by nonpoliticians tonight again are the best of the bunch. Those who have been mentored and supported in business by trump know that he means what he says, knows how to spot talent, works hard, and has the ability to make the country great again. Don jr is a very polished, and incredibly intelligent man. I've always liked him. __________________ --- Better to be slapped with the Truth than kissed with a lie--------- Russian Proverb Hey, Visit my wife's site and buy yourself some spiffy T shirts! http://www.catholic-threads.com/   #403   Jul 19, '16, 7:54 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Dwyer I don't agree with your analysis. Clinton champions Roe v. Wade. Hillary Clinton hails SCOTUS ruling as win for 'safe, legal' abortion: Signalling an important shift, presumptive Democratic nominee drops 'rare' from description of abortions http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/hillary...tion-1.3655360 Given the ages of some of the current justices (i.e., Justices Ginsburg (age 83), Breyer (77), and Kennedy (79), the next president could make up to four appointments during his or her term. If that is the case, the majority on the court — whether conservative or liberal — would be locked in for a couple of generations, past the middle of the century, as justices serve for life. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...-justices.html Even if Trump was elected and nominated many conservative justices, he would probably not be able to get the most conservative ones through the Senate. He would still have to deal with a potential filibuster by Democrats. Because Republicans are defending so many seats this year in the Senate, they will probably lose some of those and reduce their 54 seat majority even further.   #404   Jul 19, '16, 8:00 pm Dwyer Regular Member Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr Even if Trump was elected and nominated many conservative justices, he would probably not be able to get the most conservative ones through the Senate. He would still have to deal with a potential filibuster by Democrats. Because Republicans are defending so many seats this year in the Senate, they will probably lose some of those and reduce their 54 seat majority even further. Yeah, I got my magic crystal ball in front of me telling me the future of history too. __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)   #405   Jul 19, '16, 8:05 pm Ion Regular Member Join Date: April 3, 2012 Posts: 1,440 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Having just listened to Paul Ryan speaking at the RNC, I have no doubt whatsoever that it is he who should have been the GOP candidate for President. I felt like I was watching Jimmy Stewart in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington. Ryan was eloquent and riveting in his focus on ideas and his explanation of what the Republican Party stands for. What a shame he did not choose to run for the presidency instead of becoming the Speaker of the House. Perhaps his day will come next election cycle. He's young enough... Jul 19, '16, 8:14 pm didymus Veteran Member Radio Club Member Join Date: April 5, 2005 Posts: 10,387 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Best take on the plagiarism controversy so far is a cartoon I saw with a Fr Harry McSweater, SJ explaining that Melania didn't plagiarize but that both her speech and Michelle's derive from an earlier source called Q. I'll buy that. __________________ It's not hoarding if it's BOOKS.   #407   Jul 19, '16, 8:15 pm _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,523 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Hoosier Daddy Don jr is a very polished, and incredibly intelligent man. I've always liked him. I've seen some very positive reviews of Donald Trump Jr's speech. Frank Luntz did a focus group shown on Fox News with undecided voters, and many of them put their hands up when asked whether that speech impacted their vote. __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org Last edited by _Abyssinia; Jul 19, '16 at 8:34 pm.   #408   Jul 19, '16, 8:17 pm GaryTaylor Forum Elder Join Date: March 30, 2010 Posts: 26,098 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Having just listened to Paul Ryan speaking at the RNC, I have no doubt whatsoever that it is he who should have been the GOP candidate for President. I felt like I was watching Jimmy Stewart in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington. Ryan was eloquent and riveting in his focus on ideas and his explanation of what the Republican Party stands for. What a shame he did not choose to run for the presidency instead of becoming the Speaker of the House. Perhaps his day will come next election cycle. Him and Donald Jr I thought were the better orators tonight.   #409   Jul 19, '16, 8:59 pm FollowChrist34 Senior Member Join Date: March 31, 2013 Posts: 6,325 Religion: Christian Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia I've seen some very positive reviews of Donald Trump Jr's speech. Yes, I just watched a couple of hours of the speeches too - Ryan, Christie, Trump Jr., Carson. I thought it was great. (I wonder if last night was this good.) I agree Ryan was good - he was seeking to unify the party, where does the GOP go from here, after Obama. Keep his agenda but incorporate Trump themes. Appeal to the whole party as a coalition. Upbeat delivery. He further reached out to all of America, not just Republicans. I sat there thinking - he got it - he got what the people did in voting for Trump. I do think the Republicans are turning a page in terms of looking out for everyone, not just Wall Street. They are accepting the new base of voters. (Wall Street is ironically actually much closer to the left establishment and Clinton than the GOP these days, the GOP party we saw tonight.) This is as far from Romney's 47% mantra as you can get. Parallel universe. I loved Christie - guilty, not guilty. Loved the analysis as we travelled around the world. So many voters are uninformed - Christie gave them the details - every foreign gaffe, and there are many. Benghazi is back on the table. It is not "irrelevant" or "Republican gloom and doom" - sorry. Iran nuclear deal. Russia. Email scandal - clearance by FBI. Donald Trump Jr. was great too - he wrote that speech (as opposed to lifting it from Joe Biden), which showed real engagement in what this country is about and where it needs to go. He cares about politics - has a future - sadly I think he is much more appealing than his dad, especially to the young, but also to potentially lots of others, middle class, women, urban, suburban. He lacks that cheesiness and ego thing Trump has, also lacks his seeming superficiality. Has energy, enthusiasm the way Obama did. The Republicans tonight to me were so into all of America, the working class, quality education for our kids, health care but not Obamacare, economic opportunity, the importance of dignity to all - looking beyond gender, ethnicity, political correctness, identity politics. I absolutely love it. I know it is all just speeches at this point, but it could not have gone better to my mind. I just hope Trump can hold his own with those around him - in some ways he is the weakest link. We'll see...I look forward to Cruz, Pence too. Gingrich goes tomorrow I think too. I am also very happy to see the lack of bickering from the Never Trumpers and as far as I know it is pretty quiet on the streets. Also did you look at the delegates - they are not just "angry white males" at all. Men, women, white, African American, Hispanic, Asian, NORMAL people, everyone was there waving Trump signs. I get so tired of left smearing; it's not even true; even I assumed the delegates would all be white, super angry. So far so good. (where the hell is Kasich? - what a prima donna - the guy won one state, his own) __________________ And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.   #410   Jul 19, '16, 9:11 pm GaryTaylor Forum Elder Join Date: March 30, 2010 Posts: 26,098 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by FollowChrist34 Yes, I just watched a couple of hours of the speeches too - Ryan, Christie, Trump Jr., Carson. I thought it was great. (I wonder if last night was this good.) I agree Ryan was good - he was seeking to unify the party, where does the GOP go from here, after Obama. Keep his agenda but incorporate Trump themes. Appeal to the whole party as a coalition. Upbeat delivery. He further reached out to all of America, not just Republicans. I sat there thinking - he got it - he got what the people did in voting for Trump. I do think the Republicans are turning a page in terms of looking out for everyone, not just Wall Street. They are accepting the new base of voters. (Wall Street is ironically actually much closer to the left establishment and Clinton than the GOP these days, the GOP party we saw tonight.) This is as far from Romney's 47% as you can get. Parallel universe. I loved Christie - guilty, not guilty. Loved the analysis as we travelled around the world. So many voters are uninformed - Christie gave them the details - every foreign gaffe, and there are many. Benghazi is back on the table. It is not "irrelevant" or "Republican gloom and doom" - sorry. Iran nuclear deal. Russia. Email scandal - clearance by FBI. Donald Trump Jr. was great too - he wrote that speech (as opposed to lifting it from Joe Biden), which showed real engagement in what this country is about and where it needs to go. He cares about politics - has a future - sadly I think he is much more appealing than his dad, especially to the young, but also to potentially lots of others, middle class, women, urban, suburban. He lacks that cheesiness and ego thing Trump has, also lacks his seeming superficiality. Has energy, enthusiasm the way Obama did. The Republicans tonight to me were so into all of America, the working class, quality education for our kids, health care but not Obamacare, economic opportunity, the importance of dignity to all - looking beyond gender, ethnicity, political correctness, identity politics. I absolutely love it. I know it is all just speeches at this point, but it could not have gone better to my mind. I just hope Trump can hold his own with those around him - in some ways he is the weakest link. We'll see...I look forward to Cruz, Pence too. Gingrich goes tomorrow I think too. I am also very happy to see the lack of bickering from the Never Trumpers and as far as I know it is pretty quiet on the streets. Also did you look at the delegates - they are not just "angry white males" at all. Men, women, white, African American, Hispanic, Asian, NORMAL people, everyone was there waving Trump signs. I get so tired of left smearing; it's not even true; even I assumed the delegates would all be white, super angry. So far so good. (where the hell is Kasich? - what a prima donna - the guy won one state, his own) It was clearly a good night at the convention and your right tomorrow should promise much of the same as the lineup of speakers is very strong. Cruz should be interesting. He knows what we are up against with the supreme court and knows we need to act now. The point that there is a host of very talented younger republicans doesn't equate to we have 4 or 8 years to wait. I know they are good and will only get better. But todays situation is critical.   #411   Jul 19, '16, 9:13 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by FollowChrist34 I am also very happy to see the lack of bickering from the Never Trumpers and as far as I know it is pretty quiet on the streets. Also did you look at the delegates - they are not just "angry white males" at all. Men, women, white, African American, Hispanic, Asian, NORMAL people, everyone was there waving Trump signs. I get so tired of left smearing; it's not even true; even I assumed the delegates would all be white, super angry. So far so good. (where the hell is Kasich? - what a prima donna - the guy won one state, his own) According to the Washington Post (republished in the Chicago Tribune): Likely fewer black delegates to GOP convention than at any point in at least a century Last month, the Republican party's national director for African-American initiatives sent an email to a number of reporters, including The Washington Post's Jonathan Capehart, delineating the diversity of the delegates at the party's convention. The big number was 18 -- out of 2,472 delegates in total. A figure that's lower than 1 percent. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...719-story.html Wow, 18 black delegates! You're right. It's not just "angry white males" Last edited by Thorolfr; Jul 19, '16 at 9:24 pm.   #412   Jul 19, '16, 9:20 pm Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,030 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob The only people who care about this are people who weren't going to vote for trump anyway. Anyone who watched the speech saw a beautiful ,articulate woman who gave us great insight into Trumps personality rather than the caricature as presented by MM I don't need the MM or his family to give me insight. I had Trump himself throughout the primaries giving me all the insight I needed. And I didn't like what I saw. But I am not surprised people don't care about the workings of the Trump campaign. Trump in his own words, "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters." http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/23/politi...ebody-support/ __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #413   Jul 19, '16, 10:09 pm CrossofChrist Regular Member Join Date: March 31, 2013 Posts: 2,449 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Dwyer I don't agree with your analysis. Clinton champions Roe v. Wade. Hillary Clinton hails SCOTUS ruling as win for 'safe, legal' abortion: Signalling an important shift, presumptive Democratic nominee drops 'rare' from description of abortions http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/hillary...tion-1.3655360 Given the ages of some of the current justices (i.e., Justices Ginsburg (age 83), Breyer (77), and Kennedy (79), the next president could make up to four appointments during his or her term. If that is the case, the majority on the court — whether conservative or liberal — would be locked in for a couple of generations, past the middle of the century, as justices serve for life. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...-justices.html 4 judges seems unrealistic to me, I'd guess more like 1 or 2. I'm not trying to find an excuse to vote against Trump. I would be pleased if there were sufficient reasons to vote for him since I despise Democratic positions on the family, but it's hard when the main reasons I'd support Republicans are the issues that Trump seems to care the least about. Given that: Trump seems to not really care about the issue (this is a guy who has praised Planned Parenthood this election cycle), he was successful being one of the least pro-life Republican candidates, it is arguable as to whether or not Trump even looked into those 11 justices he proposed (Don Willett?), he lies a lot, and that previous Republican presidents with probably better pro-life credentials--who certainly appeared to have more integrity--were about 50/50 on providing pro-life justices, how much can I really bank on having Trump come through with the SC picks? How confident can I be that the pro-life movement has a future in either political party with a Trump victory? Perhaps it is overly dramatic saying the pro-life movement wouldn't have a voice in the future with a Trump win. Cruz won too many delegates for that to be completely true. But it's not going to be helped either way. It seems the only reason to vote for Trump is in the hope of what he won't do that Hillary very well could with regard to abortion, contraception mandates, LGBT mandates/laws, etc. And that's the compelling reason for why I'm leaning Trump at this point: what Hillary supports. __________________ "In everything, I want to base myself on the authority of the Church, and I want the whole world to know that I adhere to this authority alone." --Blessed Antonio Rosmini, in response to 2 of his works being put on the Index. Apply this attitude to my posts if they fall short in some way.   #414   Jul 19, '16, 10:28 pm Ion Regular Member Join Date: April 3, 2012 Posts: 1,440 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by CrossofChrist 4 judges seems unrealistic to me, I'd guess more like 1 or 2. Well it is very probable as it is expected to have Trump reelected   #415   Jul 19, '16, 10:57 pm adowcday Regular Member Book Club Member Join Date: September 29, 2007 Posts: 594 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by CrossofChrist 4 judges seems unrealistic to me, I'd guess more like 1 or 2. There's the open seat resulting from Scalia's death. Ruth Bader Ginsberg (the Notorious RBG) makes two -- I think she will very likely retire if Hillary Clinton is elected. Kennedy is 80 and Breyer is 78, but it's anyone's guess whether they or another justice will be replaced in the coming 4-8 years.   #416   Jul 19, '16, 11:09 pm Leo2014 Junior Member Join Date: October 9, 2014 Posts: 295 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe But I am not surprised people don't care about the workings of the Trump campaign. Trump in his own words, "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters." I would have to admit that from the beginning I liked the idea of someone outside of politics stepping up and taking the challenge. However, I saw Donald as too "Hollywood" but I thought I would give it a chance. Besides, I liked the way be pounded on Jeb. Unfortunately, he quickly proved to be argumentative - we all saw it throughout the debates. I feel like I am listening to a "Snake-oil Salesman"! None of us are real certain what he will deliver? But, Americans always fall for a good speech not realizing that they will be on the short end.   #417   Jul 20, '16, 1:50 am Al Moritz Regular Member Join Date: April 20, 2011 Posts: 3,024 Religion: Roman Catholic/Freethinker/Skeptic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] The plagiarism plot has new twists and turns: http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016...stions-n612826 This issue will not go away any time soon. __________________ Health is not a consumer good but a universal right, so access to health services cannot be a privilege. Pope Francis   #418   Jul 20, '16, 4:00 am _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,523 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] The Daily Show posted a tweet showing the similarity between part of the speech by Donald Trump Jr to part of a column by Frank Buckley, and that tweet got over 14000 retweets... only for Frank Buckley to come forward and say he was the speechwriter (so presumably he took things that he knew and put it into the speech): http://www.cbsnews.com/news/did-dona...ention-speech/ __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org   #419   Jul 20, '16, 4:00 am GaryTaylor Forum Elder Join Date: March 30, 2010 Posts: 26,098 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Its free................ https://www.grammarly.com/ http://www.vox.com/2016/7/19/1223396...-jr-plagiarize Quote: Twitter erupted at the news that Donald Trump Jr.’s speech might also have been plagiarized, Quote: But it was a false alarm. "I was a principal speechwriter for the speech," Buckley told Vox. "So it's not an issue." Also.................. Quote: the number of words that appeared plagiarized from Michelle Obama’s 2008 speech. It was nearly 60.   #420   Jul 20, '16, 5:39 am DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia The Daily Show posted a tweet showing the similarity between part of the speech by Donald Trump Jr to part of a column by Frank Buckley, and that tweet got over 14000 retweets... only for Frank Buckley to come forward and say he was the speechwriter (so presumably he took things that he knew and put it into the speech): http://www.cbsnews.com/news/did-dona...ention-speech/ __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/ Jul 20, '16, 5:50 am queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY Laughing along with Ya.   #422   Jul 20, '16, 6:26 am chero23 Forum Master Join Date: November 12, 2012 Posts: 15,737 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 And super star Antonio Sabato Jr presented last night. (he's not a super star, really he was on General Hospital, and some reality tv) He said in his speech that Obama is Muslim. When he is Christian. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/anton...ry?id=40687052 They just couldn't have a convention without a bit of conspiracy theory in there. This surprises me. People here got upset when the Pope had made the comment that Trump wasn't Christian. But here, I don't see those on the right crying foul for what Sabato said. Double standards. __________________ Check out my Catholic Apologetic Booklet. 121 themes/doctrines, 5,200 Bible Verses, 192 pages. English https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...bFU/edit?pli=1 Spanish https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...M2c/edit?pli=1 Let others know about my booklet.   #423   Jul 20, '16, 6:40 am DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by chero23 This surprises me. People here got upset when the Pope had made the comment that Trump wasn't Christian. But here, I don't see those on the right crying foul for what Sabato said. Double standards. You think the opinions of a soap opera actor carry the same weight as the Pope? __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #424   Jul 20, '16, 7:06 am Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,403 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY You think the opinions of a soap opera actor carry the same weight as the Pope? Sabato said it at the convention. I'm not a Democrat. I haven't ever voted for Obama. But he isn't Muslim, Sabato should not have said it. Did he say it because that's what trump believes? Trump does have a history of being a "birther". __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #425   Jul 20, '16, 7:24 am Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,403 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] I know that it's been discussed too much probably. But I did want to touch on Melania's speech again. How many times has Trump said he will surround himself with the best people. He says thing like "we are going to have the best intelligence, the best consultants, etc etc etc" Yet for Mrs Trump, the campaign could not organize themselves to have her give a speech that did not borrow verbatim from Michelle Obama's speech. Why didn't they get the best speech writer? Traditionally, the spouse of the candidate speaks so we can get to know about the spouse and the candidate in a personal way. Yesterday, what the narrative should have been was that Melania is very personable. We should have gotten to know her better. We should have been able to be discussing that. But the campaign didn't check it to make it beyond reproach. Where is the care in that? The candidate's wife was sent out with a speech that not only featured paragraphs with the practically the same words, syntax, and order as Michelle Obama's, it also featured similar lyrics to a song that has been an internet meme called "Rickrolling". It shouldn't have happened. I feel terrible for her. It was a total lack of attention on something that should have been a positive part of the convention. And an easy part. She's attractive and youthful. She should be the most important person to Trump since she's his wife. Yet that's how she was sent out. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #426   Jul 20, '16, 7:33 am queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 I know that it's been discussed too much probably. But I did want to touch on Melania's speech again. How many times has Trump said he will surround himself with the best people. He says thing like "we are going to have the best intelligence, the best consultants, etc etc etc" Yet for Mrs Trump, the campaign could not organize themselves to have her give a speech that did not borrow verbatim from Michelle Obama's speech. Why didn't they get the best speech writer? Traditionally, the spouse of the candidate speaks so we can get to know about the spouse and the candidate in a personal way. Yesterday, what the narrative should have been was that Melania is very personable. We should have gotten to know her better. We should have been able to be discussing that. But the campaign didn't check it to make it beyond reproach. Where is the care in that? The candidate's wife was sent out with a speech that not only featured paragraphs with the practically the same words, syntax, and order as Michelle Obama's, it also featured similar lyrics to a song that has been an internet meme called "Rickrolling". It shouldn't have happened. I feel terrible for her. It was a total lack of attention on something that should have been a positive part of the convention. And an easy part. She's attractive and youthful. She should be the most important person to Trump since she's his wife. Yet that's how she was sent out. I don't care about melanias speech scandal because the words reflect her heart and mind. There is nothing scandalous in content. That's why Melania and the family had no qualms about it whatsoever in checking the speech. Moreover, this mixup does nothing to the detriment of the country. It doesn't hurt anybody in any way except for the sensibilities of some. First day of convention highlight: Melania embarrassment. Second day: empty seats in the stadium. Looking forward to scandal number three.   #427   Jul 20, '16, 7:41 am qui est ce Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Join Date: July 5, 2005 Posts: 13,285 Religion: Catholic Christian Latin Rite Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY The Sudden, Short-Lived Objection to Political Speeches from Grieving Mothers http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...ieving-mothers More divisiveness and race baiting. __________________ Christine   #428   Jul 20, '16, 7:45 am Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,403 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv I don't care about melanias speech scandal because the words reflect her heart and mind. There is nothing scandalous in content. That's why Melania and the family had no qualms about it whatsoever in checking the speech. Moreover, this mixup does nothing to the detriment of the country. It doesn't hurt anybody in any way except for the sensibilities of some. First day of convention highlight: Melania embarrassment. Second day: empty seats in the stadium. Looking forward to scandal number three. We know that you support Trump. Can you not understand why many people don't? She could have had a very good, original speech. She's not a politician. She's a fashion model. She doesn't have a public speaking background. English isn't her first language. Where were the best writers and coaches for her? Terrible oversight. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #429   Jul 20, '16, 7:46 am mary bobo Veteran Member Forum Supporter Join Date: May 19, 2005 Posts: 10,618 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 Sabato said it at the convention. I'm not a Democrat. I haven't ever voted for Obama. But he isn't Muslim, Sabato should not have said it. Did he say it because that's what trump believes? Trump does have a history of being a "birther". At this stage of the game, who cares? __________________ Praying for all CAF intentions.   #430   Jul 20, '16, 7:48 am mary bobo Veteran Member Forum Supporter Join Date: May 19, 2005 Posts: 10,618 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by adowcday There's the open seat resulting from Scalia's death. Ruth Bader Ginsberg (the Notorious RBG) makes two -- I think she will very likely retire if Hillary Clinton is elected. Kennedy is 80 and Breyer is 78, but it's anyone's guess whether they or another justice will be replaced in the coming 4-8 years. Liberals don't care. That is what they want, to take the country as far away as possible from the country the founding fathers left us. __________________ Praying for all CAF intentions.   #431   Jul 20, '16, 7:57 am queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 We know that you support Trump. Can you not understand why many people don't? She could have had a very good, original speech. She's not a politician. She's a fashion model. She doesn't have a public speaking background. English isn't her first language. Where were the best writers and coaches for her? Terrible oversight. Of course it could have been better. But I don't think this is a huge problem for her either. For those that watched her live, most would have been pleased. People understand speech writers write speeches for such occasions. Whatever happened in the background Im sure the family knows better than we do and know exactly the way to handle it, whether to fire someone or not. Melania is not at fault at all. If it was me in her place i would have read the script and said, great, let's go! Because the content is irreproachable. Life is hectic especially political life. You take what happens and run with it. I see this as no big deal. If someone wants to vote for hillary because of this, what can anybody do? There is nothing trump can say or do to change those people's mind. Time for him to move on and win some hearts that are winnable. I also happen to beleive the lovely Melania will win even more fans after this scandal because her nature is appealing and more people are getting to know her as a result. That's how life works sometimes.   #432   Jul 20, '16, 8:05 am DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Of course it could have been better. But I don't think this is a huge problem for her either. For those that watched her live, most would have been pleased. People understand speech writers write speeches for such occasions. Whatever happened in the background Im sure the family knows better than we do and know exactly the way to handle it, whether to fire someone or not. Melania is not at fault at all. If it was me in her place i would have read the script and said, great, let's go! Because the content is irreproachable. Life is hectic especially political life. You take what happens and run with it. I see this as no big deal. If someone wants to vote for hillary because of this, what can anybody do? There is nothing trump can say or do to change those people's mind. Time for him to move on and win some hearts that are winnable. I also happen to beleive the lovely Melania will win even more fans after this scandal because her nature is appealing and more people are getting to know her as a result. That's how life works sometimes. It was a real mistake, but at the end of the day this is manufactured, artificial outrage that is intended to appeal to the low information voter. __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #433   Jul 20, '16, 8:17 am ComplineSanFran Regular Member Join Date: June 17, 2015 Posts: 2,521 Religion: Anglican Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Of course it could have been better. But I don't think this is a huge problem for her either. For those that watched her live, most would have been pleased. People understand speech writers write speeches for such occasions. Whatever happened in the background Im sure the family knows better than we do and know exactly the way to handle it, whether to fire someone or not. Melania is not at fault at all. If it was me in her place i would have read the script and said, great, let's go! Because the content is irreproachable. Life is hectic especially political life. You take what happens and run with it. I see this as no big deal. If someone wants to vote for hillary because of this, what can anybody do? There is nothing trump can say or do to change those people's mind. Time for him to move on and win some hearts that are winnable. I also happen to beleive the lovely Melania will win even more fans after this scandal because her nature is appealing and more people are getting to know her as a result. That's how life works sometimes. On the other hand, if she were in a university class, and plagiarized her work from another person or from the internet, she would have failed the class at the very least, and perhaps been placed on probation. It is a very serious matter.   #434   Jul 20, '16, 8:20 am pete 29 Regular Member Join Date: June 8, 2007 Posts: 4,521 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Al Moritz The plagiarism plot has new twists and turns: http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016...stions-n612826 This issue will not go away any time soon. It's a tempest in a teapot. __________________ It is not charity to condemn people and their progeny to the poverty that is liberalism.   #435   Jul 20, '16, 8:23 am queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by ComplineSanFran On the other hand, if she were in a university class, and plagiarized her work from another person or from the internet, she would have failed the class at the very least, and perhaps been placed on probation. It is a very serious matter. Yes it would be serious if that were the case. But we all know that Melania didn't go and steal from Michelle's speech. Speech writers were involved. michelles own speech has been reported as possibly plagiarized. Obama has been reported as having plagiarized. So has hillary. By the way if hillay hasn't been indicted, why are we even wasting another breath on melania? Do we really want to victimize her so much that the American people get pushed over the edge and vote trump on a 90% scale? Jul 20, '16, 8:23 am qui est ce Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Join Date: July 5, 2005 Posts: 13,285 Religion: Catholic Christian Latin Rite Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by ComplineSanFran On the other hand, if she were in a university class, and plagiarized her work from another person or from the internet, she would have failed the class at the very least, and perhaps been placed on probation. It is a very serious matter. Yes, now get over it like you did Joe Biden's and Martin Luther King Jr.'s. Start focusing on the issues. She is not running for office. If you really want to compare apples to apples, start comparing her to Bill Clinton who would be serving in the same position as Melania should either of their spouses get elected. __________________ Christine   #437   Jul 20, '16, 8:24 am pete 29 Regular Member Join Date: June 8, 2007 Posts: 4,521 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by ComplineSanFran On the other hand, if she were in a university class, and plagiarized her work from another person or from the internet, she would have failed the class at the very least, and perhaps been placed on probation. It is a very serious matter. It's a serious matter when you're trying to earn a grade. Not so much in a political speech. At least, not recently considering everyone else's plagiarism. __________________ It is not charity to condemn people and their progeny to the poverty that is liberalism.   #438   Jul 20, '16, 8:29 am GaryTaylor Forum Elder Join Date: March 30, 2010 Posts: 26,098 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by ComplineSanFran On the other hand, if she were in a university class, and plagiarized her work from another person or from the internet, she would have failed the class at the very least, and perhaps been placed on probation. It is a very serious matter. Right its unethical, but as far illegal its a bit different imho than assumed by a good many. https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/p...-is-it-exactly Quote: Although plagiarism is not a criminal or civil offense, plagiarism is illegal if it infringes an author's intellectual property rights, including copyright or trademark. For example, the owner of a copyright can sue a plagiarizer in federal court for copyright violation. The plagiarist in turn may have to pay the copyright owner of the plagiarized works the amount he or she actually lost because of the infringement, in addition to paying attorney's fees.   #439   Jul 20, '16, 8:31 am gracepoole Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia Donald Trump has officially won the Republican nomination! Quote: Originally Posted by pete 29 It's a serious matter when you're trying to earn a grade. Not so much in a political speech. At least, not recently considering everyone else's plagiarism. Right. Who cares about theft and fraud? Nothing to see here.   #440   Jul 20, '16, 8:32 am stinkcat_14 Veteran Member Join Date: June 26, 2005 Posts: 10,555 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by qui est ce Yes, now get over it like you did Joe Biden's and Martin Luther King Jr.'s. Start focusing on the issues. She is not running for office. If you really want to compare apples to apples, start comparing her to Bill Clinton who would be serving in the same position as Melania should either of their spouses get elected. This is why it is hard to get too concerned about the fake outrage. We have a siting vice president and a man we honor with a national holiday who have done far worse.   #441   Jul 20, '16, 8:33 am stinkcat_14 Veteran Member Join Date: June 26, 2005 Posts: 10,555 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gracepoole Right. Who cares about theft and fraud? Nothing to see here. I am not sure fraud is the best issue to bring up with Hillary as the opposing candidate.   #442   Jul 20, '16, 8:34 am Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,030 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by chero23 This surprises me. People here got upset when the Pope had made the comment that Trump wasn't Christian. But here, I don't see those on the right crying foul for what Sabato said. Double standards. I don't know why it would surprise you, Chero. Less than a year ago 43% of Republicans agreed with Antonio Sabato Jr. And I don't know. Maybe even more than that gathered in Cleveland do. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...ma-is-a-muslim __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #443   Jul 20, '16, 8:36 am gracepoole Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by stinkcat_14 I am not sure fraud is the best issue to bring up with Hillary as the opposing candidate. So one candidate's fraud makes another's acceptable. Got it.   #444   Jul 20, '16, 8:38 am GaryTaylor Forum Elder Join Date: March 30, 2010 Posts: 26,098 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by stinkcat_14 This is why it is hard to get too concerned about the fake outrage. We have a siting vice president and a man we honor with a national holiday who have done far worse. If I was the one who realized and owned specific copy rights as this surfaced I would take all of them to court who were unethical which means both Obama and Trumps wifes. Thats just common. And anyone else identified. Or none.   #445   Jul 20, '16, 8:43 am stinkcat_14 Veteran Member Join Date: June 26, 2005 Posts: 10,555 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gracepoole So one candidate's fraud makes another's acceptable. Got it. I did not say that. However, between the two major candidates, nobody can claim that Hillary is the more honest one. As a political strategy, Hillary does not have the moral standing to complain about someone else's alleged fraud. So that is not likely to be a winning strategy for her.   #446   Jul 20, '16, 8:46 am stinkcat_14 Veteran Member Join Date: June 26, 2005 Posts: 10,555 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by GaryTaylor If I was the one who realized and owned specific copy rights as this surfaced I would take all of them to court who were unethical which means both Obama and Trumps wifes. Thats just common. And anyone else identified. Or none. It is pretty costly to take people to court, particularly when there are little economic damages, so I am not sure that is the best remedy. Plagiarism does seem to be a big issue among public figures. I personally think it is a bigger deal in a doctoral dissertation than in a political speech. We let Joe Biden get away with plagiarism, we let Hillary get away with plagiarism, we let Barack Obama get away with plagiarism, but now we are outraged about plagiarism?   #447   Jul 20, '16, 8:47 am Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,804 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gracepoole Right. Who cares about theft and fraud? Nothing to see here. Again one only need to look to Hillary,she is actually running for the highest office,her dishonesty,fraud and corruption are legitimate concerns.Sloppiness in regards to details of a convention speech by the wife of a political candidate is a non issue.This feigned outrage by the left really only exposes their hypocrisy and obvious concerns about the strength of DT.   #448   Jul 20, '16, 8:51 am GaryTaylor Forum Elder Join Date: March 30, 2010 Posts: 26,098 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by stinkcat_14 I did not say that. However, between the two major candidates, nobody can claim that Hillary is the more honest one. As a political strategy, Hillary does not have the moral standing to complain about someone else's alleged fraud. So that is not likely to be a winning strategy for her. That is it the nutshell, basically you have the pot calling the kettle black as far as ethics. And say I decided to just take Michelle or Donalds wife to court, that would be unethical also but not illegal. So imho the entire idea to critique one and not the other is unethical.   #449   Jul 20, '16, 8:52 am qui est ce Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Join Date: July 5, 2005 Posts: 13,285 Religion: Catholic Christian Latin Rite Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gracepoole So one candidate's fraud makes another's acceptable. Got it. Melania is not a candidate. __________________ Christine   #450   Jul 20, '16, 8:56 am gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Trump has been surprisingly quiet about the press and Democratic talking points attacking his wife's speech. This morning he sent his first twitter comment about it: "The media is spending more time doing a forensic analysis of Melania's speech than the FBI spent on Hillary's emails." "Good news is Melania's speech got more publicity than any in the history of politics especially if you believe that all press is good press!" https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump Personally, I just think it is the liberal press and inside the Beltway elites finding something to attack about Republicans and the Democrats fueling the flames. It wouldn't have made any difference if it were Jeb's wife, or Romney's wife. It would have been very different had it been a Clinton. The fact of the matter is, we are talking about a couple of phrases in a 30 minute speech that are similar to another speech. The fact that it was done by others over and over again makes no difference. The idea that you throw enough mud against the wall something is going to stick, and this nonsense seems to be what the press are pushing this week to try to derail the GOP convention. Silly stuff that inside the beltway geeks care about. Not something that undecided voters care about. Again, I will say what I said before, I thought it was a fine speech. Liked Rudy Giuliani's speech as well. And Trump, Jr was surprisingly good for a non-politician. Actually, I am looking forward to Ted Cruz's speech tonight. I wonder what he will say? __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology