Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] (Part 2)

Jul 20, '16, 9:05 am

tomarin Senior Member Join Date: April 25, 2007 Posts: 7,538 Religion: Catholic

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by pete 29 It's a serious matter when you're trying to earn a grade. Not so much in a political speech. At least, not recently considering everyone else's plagiarism. I disagree. Plagiarism doesn't reflect well on anyone. It's passing off another's thoughts and words and feelings as one's own, and it undermines one's credibility for that reason. __________________ If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand wither, let my tongue cleave to my palate if I do not remember you -- Psalm 137

#452   Jul 20, '16, 9:08 am

gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by tomarin I disagree. Plagiarism doesn't reflect well on anyone. It's passing off another's thoughts and words and feelings as one's own, and it undermines one's credibility for that reason. We aren't talking about a book here or a college dissertation. We are talking about a couple of similarities in phrases a mother is saying about her family which most mothers, who are any good anyway, say about their children and others. Give me a break, but this is reflecting very poorly on those who are showing outrage over this. __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology

#453   Jul 20, '16, 9:09 am

FollowChrist34 Senior Member Join Date: March 31, 2013 Posts: 6,325 Religion: Christian

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY Both amusing and sobering don't you think? If it has gone here...we are in 'throw everything and the kitchen sink' territory, which makes sense given the state of the country and the Democratic nominee. For some time now, there has been a slightly crazed feel to the Trump bashing, really frenzied. Sometimes I wonder if we should just sit back - give 'em enough rope on this stuff. I mean, just what does an unbiased mainstream American think of this display? Against a backdrop of out of control international and domestic terrorism (blood running in the streets), domestic attacks on cops (ie the state), increasing racial tensions, illegal immigration, and on and on. Enough already... __________________ And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

#454   Jul 20, '16, 9:11 am

tomarin Senior Member Join Date: April 25, 2007 Posts: 7,538 Religion: Catholic

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam We aren't talking about a book here or a college dissertation. We are talking about a couple of similarities in phrases a mother is saying about her family which most mothers, who are any good anyway, say about their children and others. Give me a break, but this is reflecting very poorly on those who are showing outrage over this. I'm not outraged by any means, just disappointed. __________________ If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand wither, let my tongue cleave to my palate if I do not remember you -- Psalm 137

#455   Jul 20, '16, 9:11 am

Maximilan Kolbe Banned Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam We aren't talking about a book here or a college dissertation. We are talking about a couple of similarities in phrases a mother is saying about her family which most mothers, who are any good anyway, say about their children and others. Give me a break, but this is reflecting very poorly on those who are showing outrage over this. I agree. This reminds me of the uproar over Romney's "binders full of women" comment, as though there was ill intent there. It stretches believability when there are so many more concrete things to address or critique in both candidates.

#456   Jul 20, '16, 9:12 am

gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Line up for tonight" This may be an interesting night... __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology

#457   Jul 20, '16, 9:13 am

stinkcat_14 Veteran Member Join Date: June 26, 2005 Posts: 10,555 Religion: Catholic

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam We aren't talking about a book here or a college dissertation. We are talking about a couple of similarities in phrases a mother is saying about her family which most mothers, who are any good anyway, say about their children and others. Give me a break, but this is reflecting very poorly on those who are showing outrage over this. When politicians who plagiarize hold high office and we have national holidays honoring known plagiarizers, it is hard to take these complaints seriously. When democrats introduce a bill impeaching Joe Biden for his well known plagiarism, I will take the complaints seriously. Now I am not against punishing plagiarists. But if we are not going to punish people consistently, then why bother?

#458   Jul 20, '16, 9:14 am

stinkcat_14 Veteran Member Join Date: June 26, 2005 Posts: 10,555 Religion: Catholic

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by tomarin I'm not outraged by any means, just disappointed. Some seem outraged, but their outrage seems to be selective.

#459   Jul 20, '16, 9:17 am

Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA)

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by mary bobo Liberals don't care. That is what they want, to take the country as far away as possible from the country the founding fathers left us. So you want to go back to the country the founding fathers left us, a country with slavery, a country in which women couldn't vote and in which Catholics were often oppressed?

#460   Jul 20, '16, 9:20 am

tomarin Senior Member Join Date: April 25, 2007 Posts: 7,538 Religion: Catholic

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by stinkcat_14 Some seem outraged, but their outrage seems to be selective. It's a good point that other politicians (and Melania isn't even one) got caught doing this, but it doesn't make it any less objectionable. __________________ If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand wither, let my tongue cleave to my palate if I do not remember you -- Psalm 137

#461   Jul 20, '16, 9:20 am

gracepoole Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by stinkcat_14 I did not say that. Sure you did. There's no other reason to raise the issue of Hillary's fraud.

#462   Jul 20, '16, 9:22 am

gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] In case you missed it: Priest's prayer reminds GOP convention of importance of all human life http://ow.ly/2Rw6302pQ6b __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology

#463   Jul 20, '16, 9:25 am

FollowChrist34 Senior Member Join Date: March 31, 2013 Posts: 6,325 Religion: Christian

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam Line up for tonight" This may be an interesting night... Indeed. Have I died and gone to heaven? (actually my family reunion is next week during the Dem convention - I am like the only Republican in the family - God give me strength. I will be flayed alive.) __________________ And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

#464   Jul 20, '16, 9:27 am

gracepoole Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by qui est ce Melania is not a candidate. Correct. Yet the candidate's campaign team has consistently failed to acknowledge the obvious fraud perpetrated.

#465   Jul 20, '16, 9:28 am

gracepoole Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam We aren't talking about a book here or a college dissertation. We are talking about a couple of similarities in phrases a mother is saying about her family which most mothers, who are any good anyway, say about their children and others. Give me a break, but this is reflecting very poorly on those who are showing outrage over this. So just a little theft and fraud. Totally acceptable in that case.  Jul 20, '16, 9:29 am Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,804 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr So you want to go back to the country the founding fathers left us, a country with slavery, a country in which women couldn't vote and in which Catholics were often oppressed? No,speaking for myself,I want a Ons Nation Under God,with liberty and justice not just for some but for all!   #467   Jul 20, '16, 9:29 am Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Of course it could have been better. But I don't think this is a huge problem for her either. For those that watched her live, most would have been pleased. People understand speech writers write speeches for such occasions. Whatever happened in the background Im sure the family knows better than we do and know exactly the way to handle it, whether to fire someone or not. Melania is not at fault at all. If it was me in her place i would have read the script and said, great, let's go! Because the content is irreproachable. According to the investigation by the New York Times: Quote: Inside Trump Tower, it turned out, Ms. Trump had decided she was uncomfortable with the text [the speechwriters had written for her], and began tearing it apart, leaving a small fraction of the original. Her quiet plan to wrest the speech away and make it her own set in motion the most embarrassing moment of the convention: word-for-word repetition of phrases and borrowed themes from Michelle Obama’s speech at the Democratic convention eight years ago. The ridicule from both Democrats and Republicans was instant and relentless, disrupting what was meant to be a high point of the convention. It was, by all accounts, an entirely preventable blunder, committed in front of an audience of 23 million television viewers, that exposed the weaknesses of an organization that has long spurned the safeguards of a modern presidential campaign, such as the free software that detects plagiarism. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/us...T.nav=top-news So Melania Trump was at fault because she took the speech that had been written for her by speechwriters and changed it by plagiarizing parts of Michelle Obama's speech. According the the New York Times investigation: Quote: The two original speechwriters were not aware of how significantly the speech had been changed until they saw Ms. Trump deliver it on television Monday night, along with the rest of the country. So don't blame the speechwriters, It was Melania Trump herself that was at fault or the campaign for not vetting her speech beforehand which shows how sloppy the campaign was. Last edited by Thorolfr; Jul 20, '16 at 9:40 am.   #468   Jul 20, '16, 9:30 am gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Former Trump Campaign Data Scientist: Trump Voters Have An "Un-Nuanced... Very Realistic View" Of The World At an event posted by POLITICO near the RNC, Matt Braynard, a former Donald Trump Campaign data scientist explains how the campaign used some of the same data analytics as the Obama campaign, and what data shows about the average Trump supporter. ... His assessment of the normal Trump voter. "Guns & Ammo is a pretty good indicator. But these are people who are rich in the wisdom of the Old Testament. They have a very unnuanced view of the world, a very realistic view of the world and the threats the country faces domestically and foreign. And that really crosses party lines." http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...the_world.html __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #469   Jul 20, '16, 9:31 am stinkcat_14 Veteran Member Join Date: June 26, 2005 Posts: 10,555 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gracepoole Sure you did. There's no other reason to raise the issue of Hillary's fraud. My point is, how does the issue of fraud differentiate the candidates?   #470   Jul 20, '16, 9:31 am Seamus L Senior Member Join Date: November 22, 2007 Posts: 8,087 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Really looking forward to hearing Ted Cruz tonight. I sure hope he and Trump can mend fences.   #471   Jul 20, '16, 9:32 am gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Seamus L Really looking forward to hearing Ted Cruz tonight. I sure hope he and Trump can mend fences. Yea I'm wondering what he will say. Especially since a lot of the 'never - Trump" folks at the convention were his supporters. __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #472   Jul 20, '16, 9:34 am stinkcat_14 Veteran Member Join Date: June 26, 2005 Posts: 10,555 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gracepoole So just a little theft and fraud. Totally acceptable in that case. We as a society have collectively decided that it is acceptable. When we honor known plagiarists with national holidays, how can we come to any other conclusion?   #473   Jul 20, '16, 9:35 am gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] For those who still care: Meredith McIver takes responsibility for Melania Trump speech: "This was my mistake" Staff writers are way down on the totem pole trying to make a living and work hard to improve their position in life. Let's lynch her! Right?? Right?? Wrong! __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #474   Jul 20, '16, 9:35 am qui est ce Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Join Date: July 5, 2005 Posts: 13,285 Religion: Catholic Christian Latin Rite Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam Trump has been surprisingly quiet about the press and Democratic talking points attacking his wife's speech. This morning he sent his first twitter comment about it: "The media is spending more time doing a forensic analysis of Melania's speech than the FBI spent on Hillary's emails." __________________ Christine   #475   Jul 20, '16, 9:35 am gracepoole Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by stinkcat_14 My point is, how does the issue of fraud differentiate the candidates? Who said it does? That doesn't change the fact that fraud should never be acceptable. Seems like many believe otherwise and are focused on "fake outrage" and how much worse HRC is.   #476   Jul 20, '16, 9:36 am queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr According to the investigation by the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/us...T.nav=top-news So Melania Trump was at fault because she took the speech that had been written for her by speechwriters and changed it by plagiarizing parts of Michelle Obama's speech. According the the New York Times investigation: So don't blame the speechwriters, It was Melania Trump herself that was at fault. I hear your clarion call. Let's indict Melania! Instead of hillary! In fact, I would encourage the media and those here to keep drumming on this till the day of election. I'd love for that to happen.   #477   Jul 20, '16, 9:36 am Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,030 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gracepoole Correct. Yet the candidate's campaign team has consistently failed to acknowledge the obvious fraud perpetrated. Exactly which reflects upon the candidate and can cause concern for some voters (obviously not all) about the candidate if he somehow were to find himself sitting in the Oval Office. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #478   Jul 20, '16, 9:38 am queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam For those who still care: Meredith McIver takes responsibility for Melania Trump speech: "This was my mistake" Staff writers are way down on the totem pole trying to make a living and work hard to improve their position in life. Let's lynch him! Right?? Right?? Wrong! Isn't the truth refreshing! Sooner or later the truth always catches up to you and in this case the trumps have proven themselves honorable again. As well as loyal.   #479   Jul 20, '16, 9:43 am gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Can we talk about what the Republicans will and won't do going forward now? Seems relevant. __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #480   Jul 20, '16, 9:43 am FollowChrist34 Senior Member Join Date: March 31, 2013 Posts: 6,325 Religion: Christian Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam For those who still care: Meredith McIver takes responsibility for Melania Trump speech: "This was my mistake" Staff writers are way down on the totem pole trying to make a living and work hard to improve their position in life. Let's lynch him! Right?? Right?? Wrong! I support the pardon. Nice move - and the truth is my guess. I think they more or less lifted the phrases as a compliment to Michelle Obama. It was designed to suggest a parallel. The writer probably just did not anticipate the fierce plagiarism angle that the left would take, how it would blow up. It was not a political speech. And these politicians' wives' speeches do always strike much the same tone. I wonder in several months which side will have more egg on their face out of all of this. (or even tomorrow come to think of it) __________________ And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force. Jul 20, '16, 9:45 am Songcatcher Junior Member Join Date: August 13, 2015 Posts: 447 Religion: Lutheran/RCIA Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by tomarin It's a good point that other politicians (and Melania isn't even one) got caught doing this, but it doesn't make it any less objectionable. I find it funny that they keep bringing up Biden's plagiarism from decades ago as proof that we shouldn't be talking about Melania's plagiarism from two days ago. Biden not only apologized but HE DROPPED OUT OF THE RACE for president when it was discovered. It was a HUGE deal. To imply he suffered no consequences, or didn't take responsibility, is completely disingenuous. Biden is actually the perfect example of how serious plagiarism is taken. This wouldn't have been anywhere near as big of a deal if someone involved would have simply apologized. Instead, they laughably denied it and now Donald is "Tweeting" about it, just as it actually was beginning to die down. His campaign's incompetence embarrassed his wife and he's "tweeting" that "all press is good press." I bet she disagrees with that sentiment. Edited to add: I see they have now, FINALLY, apologized. Last edited by Songcatcher; Jul 20, '16 at 9:58 am.   #482   Jul 20, '16, 9:48 am GaryTaylor Forum Elder Join Date: March 30, 2010 Posts: 26,098 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meredith_McIver Meredith McIver wrote the speech and offered her resignation which was rejected.   #483   Jul 20, '16, 9:49 am Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,030 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam For those who still care: Meredith McIver takes responsibility for Melania Trump speech: "This was my mistake" Staff writers are way down on the totem pole trying to make a living and work hard to improve their position in life. Let's lynch her! Right?? Right?? Wrong! So IOW instead of accountablity, a longtime Trump family friend doesn't have a resignation accepted. Now we know what the Republicans will and won't do going forward if there should be a Trump WH. Got it. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #484   Jul 20, '16, 9:51 am stinkcat_14 Veteran Member Join Date: June 26, 2005 Posts: 10,555 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe So instead of accountablity, a longtime Trump family friend doesn't have a resignation accepted. How do you think plagiarists should be punished? Should they have national holidays in their honor? Should they be removed from office?   #485   Jul 20, '16, 9:52 am GaryTaylor Forum Elder Join Date: March 30, 2010 Posts: 26,098 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: I find it funny that they keep bringing up Biden's plagiarism from decades ago as proof that we shouldn't be talking about Melania's plagiarism from two days ago. Not at all, the point is there is no statue of limitations and one is just as liable to lawsuit as the other. So time is irrelevant but the ethics are not.   #486   Jul 20, '16, 9:53 am gracepoole Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by stinkcat_14 How do you think plagiarists should be punished? Should they have national holidays in their honor? Should they be removed from office? 4th time you've mentioned the national holiday. If it hasn't struck a chord by now, why would it going forward?   #487   Jul 20, '16, 9:53 am gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Caitlyn Jenner Opens Up About Why She's a Republican at #RNCinCLE http://nbcnews.to/2agIw0H __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #488   Jul 20, '16, 9:56 am queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by GaryTaylor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meredith_McIver Meredith McIver wrote the speech and offered her resignation which was rejected. You know, this whole thing might have been avoided if trump spent a million dollars on Melania's speech, kind of like Jeb Bush spending 50 (?) million dollars for each of his three delegates.   #489   Jul 20, '16, 9:58 am GaryTaylor Forum Elder Join Date: March 30, 2010 Posts: 26,098 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe So IOW instead of accountablity, a longtime Trump family friend doesn't have a resignation accepted. Got it. Thats what happened yes, he said she made a mistake and gave her another chance. Quite a common path in Christianity.   #490   Jul 20, '16, 9:58 am stinkcat_14 Veteran Member Join Date: June 26, 2005 Posts: 10,555 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gracepoole 4th time you've mentioned the national holiday. If it hasn't struck a chord by now, why would it going forward? We are talking about plagiarists and how they should be punished, are we not? It is certainly relevant to the issue of plagiarism? One of our deep held American values is that the people should be judged by content of their character, not by their political affiliations. So it is certainly relevant to the discussion.   #491   Jul 20, '16, 9:59 am stinkcat_14 Veteran Member Join Date: June 26, 2005 Posts: 10,555 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by GaryTaylor Thats what happeded yes, he said she made a mistake and gave her another chance. Quite a common path in Christianity. Mercy is only for democrats.   #492   Jul 20, '16, 10:00 am Ridgerunner Forum Elder Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,710 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Songcatcher I find it funny that they keep bringing up Biden's plagiarism from decades ago as proof that we shouldn't be talking about Melania's plagiarism from two days ago. Biden not only apologized but HE DROPPED OUT OF THE RACE for president when it was discovered. It was a HUGE deal. . Okay. I won't vote for Melania Trump for president. This has to be the most far-fetched, silly, Democrat political attacks I have ever seen. Well, maybe pushing grandma off the cliff was worst.   #493   Jul 20, '16, 10:01 am stinkcat_14 Veteran Member Join Date: June 26, 2005 Posts: 10,555 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Ridgerunner Okay. I won't vote for Melania Trump for president. Personally, I would rather vote for Melania than Donald, even with the plagiarism. I will admit that I am biased though.   #494   Jul 20, '16, 10:02 am gracepoole Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by stinkcat_14 We are talking about plagiarists and how they should be punished, are we not? It is certainly relevant to the issue of plagiarism? One of our deep held American values is that the people should be judged by content of their character, not by their political affiliations. So it is certainly relevant to the discussion. No, you're talking about how they should be punished. I've never spoken to punishment. I simply think 1) it's revealing about any candidate's character (as though we needed to know anything more about Trump's) and 2) it's revealing about the lack of quality and oversight in his campaign.   #495   Jul 20, '16, 10:03 am Songcatcher Junior Member Join Date: August 13, 2015 Posts: 447 Religion: Lutheran/RCIA Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv You know, this whole thing might have been avoided if trump spent a million dollars on Melania's speech, kind of like Jeb Bush spending 50 (?) million dollars for each of his three delegates. Or if someone had used the FREE software available that showed there was only a one out of a trillion chance that this wasn't plagiarized. Software that every campaign routinely uses as part of the vetting process of speeches to avoid this type of thing. Jul 20, '16, 10:03 am Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Isn't the truth refreshing! Sooner or later the truth always catches up to you and in this case the trumps have proven themselves honorable again. As well as loyal. This hardly lets Trump off the hook. If he was so careless and sloppy in the process for writing and vetting Melania's speech, one of the highlights of the Republican convention, what could we expect if he were President when everything he says and does would have far more consequences? If he can't run a good campaign, how can he run a country?   #497   Jul 20, '16, 10:03 am gracepoole Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Ridgerunner Okay. I won't vote for Melania Trump for president. This has to be the most far-fetched, silly, Democrat political attacks I have ever seen. Well, maybe pushing grandma off the cliff was worst. What's really silly is Trump's campaign plugging their ears, singing, and hoping it all goes away. That's just weird. Own up to the plagiarism for heaven's sake and be done with it.   #498   Jul 20, '16, 10:04 am Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,030 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Songcatcher Or if someone had used the FREE software available that showed there was only a one out of a trillion chance that this wasn't plagiarized. Software that every campaign routinely uses as part of the vetting process of speeches to avoid this type of thing. Exactly Songcatcher. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #499   Jul 20, '16, 10:05 am Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,804 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gracepoole What's really silly is Trump's campaign plugging their ears, singing, and hoping it all goes away. That's just weird. Own up to the plagiarism for heaven's sake and be done with it. Lois like this silly little situation has been resolved   #500   Jul 20, '16, 10:05 am stinkcat_14 Veteran Member Join Date: June 26, 2005 Posts: 10,555 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gracepoole No, you're talking about how they should be punished. I've never spoken to punishment. I simply think 1) it's revealing about any candidate's character (as though we needed to know anything more about Trump's) and 2) it's revealing about the lack of quality and oversight in his campaign. There is really not much in this that really differentiates Donald's character from Hillary's character. This is really not an issue.   #501   Jul 20, '16, 10:06 am estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by stinkcat_14 I am not sure fraud is the best issue to bring up with Hillary as the opposing candidate.   #502   Jul 20, '16, 10:07 am queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr This hardly lets Trump off the hook. If he was so careless and sloppy in the process for writing and vetting Melania's speech, one of the highlights of the Republican convention, what could we expect if he were President when everything he says and does would have far more consequences? If he can't run a good campaign, how can he run a country? To certain people nothing lets trump off the hook short of getting himself out of the race and apologizing for ever having bothered to get in. For others we will vote for an imperfect but good candidate appropriate for the times.   #503   Jul 20, '16, 10:07 am Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,804 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr This hardly lets Trump off the hook. If he was so careless and sloppy in the process for writing and vetting Melania's speech, one of the highlights of the Republican convention, what could we expect if he were President when everything he says and does would have far more consequences? If he can't run a good campaign, how can he run a country? Oh you mean kind of like the sloppy and careless habits of Hillary Clinton?There aren't enough eye roll emojis to highlight the hypocrisy of your critisism of Trump and his family: Just say n'   #504   Jul 20, '16, 10:07 am Dwyer Regular Member Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] It's been known for decades that Martin Luther King Jr. plagiarized huge portions of his Ph.D doctoral dissertation at Boston University, yet it is hardly discussed on the Cable and Local TV News and MLK is still the Political Liberal's bee's knees. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin...horship_issues __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)   #505   Jul 20, '16, 10:08 am stinkcat_14 Veteran Member Join Date: June 26, 2005 Posts: 10,555 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Dwyer It's been known that Martin Luther King Jr. plagiarized huge portions of his Ph.D doctoral dissertation at Boston University, yet it is hardly discussed on the Cable and Local TV News and MLK is still the Political Liberal's bee's knees. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin...horship_issues It does say a lot about the content of his character though.   #506   Jul 20, '16, 10:09 am Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,403 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] I'm so glad to see a low level in house staff writer fall on her sword, when the high level campaign staff decided that Melania should not have the benefit of a good, experienced speech writer. What difference does it make that Melania was sent out under great scrutiny with this speech. See, the in house writer apologized. See how nice Trump is, he didn't fire her. Poor Melania. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #507   Jul 20, '16, 10:10 am meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,631 Religion: Jewish Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by ComplineSanFran On the other hand, if she were in a university class, and plagiarized her work from another person or from the internet, she would have failed the class at the very least, and perhaps been placed on probation. It is a very serious matter. Or if she were a researcher and fudged or plagiarized her findings, it might have had real importance. But in this case, not so much. However, I do agree with Mary Gail that it reflects poorly on Trump and his campaign, particularly his speechwriters. Is this so surprising, though? More to come, folks, if Trump is elected. Stay tuned.   #508   Jul 20, '16, 10:11 am GaryTaylor Forum Elder Join Date: March 30, 2010 Posts: 26,098 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Songcatcher Or if someone had used the FREE software available that showed there was only a one out of a trillion chance that this wasn't plagiarized. Software that every campaign routinely uses as part of the vetting process of speeches to avoid this type of thing. Well for example google "My Word is Bond" there's a web sight using the words along with numerous rappers. So its remains to be realized what in fact was plagiarized and who is the original author who the copy right is attributed to. One might suggest at this point "unknown author" which is common with quotes used.   #509   Jul 20, '16, 10:11 am karow Regular Member Join Date: March 9, 2011 Posts: 989 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Last night was supposed to be jobs night. Although the theme was "Make America Work Again," there was no discernible jobs plan anywhere to be found, unless the cottage industry of Hillary Bashing is counted. What was most remarkable was who wasn't there to talk about jobs. Usually jobs night at the RNC is wall-to-wall corporate and industry muckety-mucks. The biggest name Trump managed to get to speak last night was the general manager of his own winery. A truly extraordinary feature of this convention is the absence of who one would expect to see. There very few women. There are no corporate leaders. And there's a near absence major name Republicans. Speaker Paul Ryan stood out last night like simply because he's recognizable and vaguely credible. It's absolutely astonishing what a complete mess this convention is, not least of which is that it was obviously going to be such mess that hardly anyone who isn't Charles in Charge even bothered to attend.   #510   Jul 20, '16, 10:12 am gracepoole Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv To certain people nothing lets trump off the hook short of getting himself out of the race and apologizing for ever having bothered to get in. For others we will vote for an imperfect but good candidate appropriate for the times. Yes, theft is such an endearing quality.  Jul 20, '16, 10:13 am gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by karow Last night was supposed to be jobs night. Although the theme was "Make America Work Again," there was no discernible jobs plan anywhere to be found, My wife commented on that. She was saying she also wanted to hear more about how the Republicans planned on improving the US infrastructure. I understand that in this campaign each side will be setting the other up as someone not fit to govern, but we need some positive reasons to vote for a candidate as well. I am a firm believer that this race is Trump's to win. If he can convince the undecideds that he won't ruin the country if he is elected, he will win. __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #512   Jul 20, '16, 10:13 am queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 I'm so glad to see a low level in house staff writer fall on her sword, when the high level campaign staff decided that Melania should not have the benefit of a good, experienced speech writer. What difference does it make that Melania was sent out under great scrutiny with this speech. See, the in house writer apologized. See how nice Trump is, he didn't fire her. Poor Melania. Melania is not one to be pitied. She has a great family and a great husband. Stuff happens in life. If she is so fragile as to be humiliated by this incident longer than a few minutes, she's not as tough as many many mothers that we all know around us. I'm sure she's just fine and has lots more important things to be concerned about.   #513   Jul 20, '16, 10:14 am Monte RCMS Forum Master Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,635 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by stinkcat_14 When politicians who plagiarize hold high office and we have national holidays honoring known plagiarizers, it is hard to take these complaints seriously. When democrats introduce a bill impeaching Joe Biden for his well known plagiarism, I will take the complaints seriously. Now I am not against punishing plagiarists. But if we are not going to punish people consistently, then why bother? Joe Biden ... Joe Biden ... no, wait ... he might still end up as our next president. He settled for VICE President already. [Good old "Plugs" Biden.] [artificial hair] [hmmmmm] __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth.   #514   Jul 20, '16, 10:14 am stinkcat_14 Veteran Member Join Date: June 26, 2005 Posts: 10,555 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gracepoole Yes, theft is such an endearing quality. So if we are looking for a candidate who has not stolen, who are we to turn to? Hillary has stolen plenty from Bernie, so it is not like this is a differentiating factor.   #515   Jul 20, '16, 10:15 am meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,631 Religion: Jewish Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by karow Last night was supposed to be jobs night. Although the theme was "Make America Work Again," there was no discernible jobs plan anywhere to be found, unless the cottage industry of Hillary Bashing is counted. What was most remarkable was who wasn't there to talk about jobs. Usually jobs night at the RNC is wall-to-wall corporate and industry muckety-mucks. The biggest name Trump managed to get to speak last night was the general manager of his own winery. A truly extraordinary feature of this convention is the absence of who one would expect to see. There very few women. There are no corporate leaders. And there's a near absence major name Republicans. Speaker Paul Ryan stood out last night like simply because he's recognizable and vaguely credible. It's absolutely astonishing what a complete mess this convention is, not least of which is that it was obviously going to be such mess that hardly anyone who isn't Charles in Charge even bothered to attend. But I thought the second day was considerably better than the first. We'll see what treats the next two days bring.   #516   Jul 20, '16, 10:17 am gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy But I thought the second night was considerably better than the first. We'll see what the next two nights bring. Conventions are suppose to get better each night with a crescendo on the last night. At least that is the usual trajectory. __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #517   Jul 20, '16, 10:17 am Joseph3 Banned Join Date: March 17, 2016 Posts: 2,137 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] The speech that Donald Trump Jr. gave was very inspiring. He rallied the whole GOP behind his father. They needed that to have a good a chance of defeating the liberals. I have a feeling that truth and justice will win against the liberal agenda.   #518   Jul 20, '16, 10:18 am Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,804 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv To certain people nothing lets trump off the hook short of getting himself out of the race and apologizing for ever having bothered to get in. For others we will vote for an imperfect but good candidate appropriate for the times. As has been stated by others on this forum"Perfection is the enemy of the good" I think for most people who will support Trump and I include myself in this statement,he is not our first choice.However,we have to unite in an effort to keep Hillary out of the WH.She would be devastating for the wellbeing of this Country. No doubt those supporting Hillary do so because they are so adverse to DT and the Republican Party.The chief difference between the voters in these two parties is that at least the Republicans are aware of Trumps' shortcomings,yet on the left they simply choose not to discuss HC defeciencies,rather they celebrate her as just an awesome candidate.Let's all just get real about this,can we?   #519   Jul 20, '16, 10:18 am Ridgerunner Forum Elder Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,710 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Songcatcher Or if someone had used the FREE software available that showed there was only a one out of a trillion chance that this wasn't plagiarized. Software that every campaign routinely uses as part of the vetting process of speeches to avoid this type of thing. I believe a previous post demonstrated that the actual writer didn't run it through one of those programs. But since there have been so many (probably mostly inqadverten) "plagiarizings" in the political world for so many years, one questions whether "every campaign routinely" uses one of those programs in vetting a speech. I would like to see that "one in a trillion" judgment/guess demonstrated in a reliable way even so, because, frankly, plagiarism is more a judgment call than anything else. If that weren't so, there would not be constant lawsuits, particularly in the music industry, claiming it. Some win and some don't. If it was all that easy, there wouldn't be any need for a judge or a jury...just one software run.   #520   Jul 20, '16, 10:20 am meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,631 Religion: Jewish Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam My wife commented on that. She was saying she also wanted to hear more about how the Republicans planned on improving the US infrastructure. I understand that in this campaign each side will be setting the other up as someone not fit to govern, but we need some positive reasons to vote for a candidate as well. I am a firm believer that this race is Trump's to win. If he can convince the undecideds that he won't ruin the country if he is elected, he will win. Is that kind of specific information generally spoken about during a convention? I don't recall.   #521   Jul 20, '16, 10:22 am Siegehammer Junior Member Join Date: October 22, 2014 Posts: 439 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] It's clear the Republican party has absolutely nothing - no ideas, no credible candidate, no effective outreach to POC and other marginalized voters, so of course they are going with full on apocalyptic language. Much of the Republican base is already steeped in that kind of rhetoric from their churches and their media. If they don't shout "Lock her up!1!!" what are they going to talk about? Their replacement healthcare plan? Their foreign policy positions? Their plans for public K-12 education?   #522   Jul 20, '16, 10:23 am Ridgerunner Forum Elder Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,710 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by stinkcat_14 So if we are looking for a candidate who has not stolen, who are we to turn to? Hillary has stolen plenty from Bernie, so it is not like this is a differentiating factor. I'm not too concerned if she stole words and phrases from Bernie. I'm far more concerned that she will steal from me if she is elected. The woman is for sale, and that has been demonstrated so many times. Did Goldman Sachs buy her sufficiently for her to put community banks out of business, about the only ones where a small business person can get a loan nowadays? Even Dems should have run from her.   #523   Jul 20, '16, 10:23 am stinkcat_14 Veteran Member Join Date: June 26, 2005 Posts: 10,555 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Is that kind of specific information generally spoken about during a convention? I don't recall. I think both candidates can be faulted for not having any real substantive economic proposals. I think republicans have run for too long on the low hanging fruit of tax cuts, which have less impact when we don't cut spending and as marginal tax rates decrease. On the other hand, democrats focus on making the rich "pay their fair share" without any substantive discussion.   #524   Jul 20, '16, 10:25 am gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Is that kind of specific information generally spoken about during a convention? I don't recall. Probably not. Usually it is more of a pep rally once the voting nominee is voted on and a chance to 'introduce the candidate to the American people.' I still remember the "A Place Called Hope" video Clinton used. __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #525   Jul 20, '16, 10:26 am Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,804 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Siegehammer It's clear the Republican party has absolutely nothing - no ideas, no credible candidate, no effective outreach to POC and other marginalized voters, so of course they are going with full on apocalyptic language. Much of the Republican base is already steeped in that kind of rhetoric from their churches and their media. If they don't shout "Lock her up!1!!" what are they going to talk about? Their replacement healthcare plan? Their foreign policy positions? Their plans for public K-12 education? Of course the Dems have done such a stellar job with all of the issues you mentioned,right? Our healthcare is in complete chaos,the education system continues to devolve and foreign piolicies,yeah............no comment Jul 20, '16, 10:27 am gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Siegehammer It's clear the Republican party has absolutely nothing - no ideas, no credible candidate, no effective outreach to POC and other marginalized voters, so of course they are going with full on apocalyptic language. Much of the Republican base is already steeped in that kind of rhetoric from their churches and their media. If they don't shout "Lock her up!1!!" what are they going to talk about? Their replacement healthcare plan? Their foreign policy positions? Their plans for public K-12 education? This election isn't about the Republican base. It isn't about the Democratic base. Like all presidential elections, it is about the undecided voter. The voter who doesn't trust or doesn't like Hillary and is afraid of Trump. __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #527   Jul 20, '16, 10:27 am Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,030 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Siegehammer It's clear the Republican party has absolutely nothing - no ideas, no credible candidate, no effective outreach to POC and other marginalized voters, so of course they are going with full on apocalyptic language. Much of the Republican base is already steeped in that kind of rhetoric from their churches and their media. If they don't shout "Lock her up!1!!" what are they going to talk about? Their replacement healthcare plan? Their foreign policy positions? Their plans for public K-12 education? Well said. And I'm not sure the undecideds that do remain want to only hear shouts of "Lock her up!" Plays well for the base though. The problem is support needs to be expanded beyond this base. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #528   Jul 20, '16, 10:28 am gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe Well said. And I'm not sure the undecideds that do remain want to only hear shouts of "Lock her up!" Plays well for the base though. The problem is support needs to be expanded beyond this base. When I heard the shouts of "lock her up" it looked and sounded like a lynch mob. __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #529   Jul 20, '16, 10:29 am gracepoole Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by stinkcat_14 So if we are looking for a candidate who has not stolen, who are we to turn to? Hillary has stolen plenty from Bernie, so it is not like this is a differentiating factor. How about we just start describing them all honestly rather than suggesting that one is "an imperfect but good candidate appropriate for the times"?   #530   Jul 20, '16, 10:31 am meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,631 Religion: Jewish Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Joseph3 The speech that Donald Trump Jr. gave was very inspiring. He rallied the whole GOP behind his father. They needed that to have a good a chance of defeating the liberals. I have a feeling that truth and justice will win against the liberal agenda. Do you think truth and justice will also win against the conservative agenda?   #531   Jul 20, '16, 10:32 am GaryTaylor Forum Elder Join Date: March 30, 2010 Posts: 26,098 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] In my judgement the copy right goes to Moses. Quote: Then Moses spoke to the heads of the tribes of the sons of Israel, saying, "This is the word which the LORD has commanded. 2"If a man makes a vow to the LORD, or takes an oath to bind himself with a binding obligation, he shall not violate his word; he shall do according to all that proceeds out of his mouth.   #532   Jul 20, '16, 10:34 am Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,403 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam Conventions are suppose to get better each night with a crescendo on the last night. At least that is the usual trajectory. The crescendo though is going to be limited by a bit. Traditionally the candidate doesn't appear at the convention until he/she accepts the nomination. It causes anticipation and excitement to build. He keeps making appearances. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #533   Jul 20, '16, 10:35 am Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,030 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Is that kind of specific information generally spoken about during a convention? I don't recall. Going back to the primaries and GOP debates, have you heard much on specific policy from Trump yet besides for instance Mexico is going to pay for a giant wall built by Trump because he is such a good builder? __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #534   Jul 20, '16, 10:38 am FollowChrist34 Senior Member Join Date: March 31, 2013 Posts: 6,325 Religion: Christian Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam Probably not. Usually it is more of a pep rally once the voting nominee is voted on and a chance to 'introduce the candidate to the American people.' I still remember the "A Place Called Hope" video Clinton used. Yes, specifics are usually where the trouble really starts. Most candidates, Obama being one of the best at it, ("Yes we can") avoid details like the plague. "Making America Great Again" is not, in fact, stupid or lame. I would go so far as to call it an indirect form of plagiarism of "Yes we can." Stay general as long as humanly possible, preferably all the way to the White House - then do whatever you want. Remember Obama and Rick Warren? The election is smoke and mirrors. I worry about Trump being the weakest part of his administration - but the rest of his administration will be key in terms of direction, input - look there for the direction Trump will go. That is why who gets on board is so important - the actual brains and agenda of the ticket and administration - the convention matters. __________________ And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.   #535   Jul 20, '16, 10:42 am Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,030 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 The crescendo though is going to be limited by a bit. Traditionally the candidate doesn't appear at the convention until he/she accepts the nomination. It causes anticipation and excitement to build. He keeps making appearances. I had to laugh when I heard Hillary say at an event in Las Vegas with union workers that first night of the GOP convention reminded her of the Wizard of Oz. Complete with a fog machine and it was just Donald Trump who stepped out. Similar to when the curtain was uncovered, Dorothy and the lion and tin man and scarecrow did not see an all powerful wizard. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #536   Jul 20, '16, 10:43 am Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,804 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe I had to laugh when I heard Hillary say at an event in Las Vegas with union workers that first night of the GOP convention reminded her of the Wizard of Oz. Complete with a fog machine and it was just Donald Trump who stepped out. Similar to when the curtain was uncovered, Dorothy and the lion and tin man and scarecrow did not see an all powerful wizard. Pfttttttt........ In charity,Inwon't say which character from The Wizard of Oz Hillary most reminds me of!   #537   Jul 20, '16, 10:49 am queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe Going back to the primaries and GOP debates, have you heard much on specific policy from Trump yet besides for instance Mexico is going to pay for a giant wall built by Trump because he is such a good builder? Off the top of my head He wants fair trade deals so other countries don't take advantage of us. He is against NAFTA bye wants China to stop currency manipulation. He wants to bring back manufacturing jobs by incentives and taxation tactics. He wants a much tougher stance in immigration clearance. He wants temperarily halt immigration from terrorism-prone countries until we can be sure security clearance is working. He wants verterans being able to go to other hospitals instead of just the VA. He wants to redo obamacare and make healthcare cheaper by abolishing artificial state lines. His tax proposal is very in depth and has been well received by conservative circles. He will cut taxes for business and middle class. He wants to get rid of common core.   #538   Jul 20, '16, 10:53 am estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe I had to laugh when I heard Hillary say at an event in Las Vegas with union workers that first night of the GOP convention reminded her of the Wizard of Oz. Complete with a fog machine and it was just Donald Trump who stepped out. Similar to when the curtain was uncovered, Dorothy and the lion and tin man and scarecrow did not see an all powerful wizard. Did you laugh when the mother of one of those abandoned to die in Benghazi spoke about how Hillary lied to her and then called her a liar ?   #539   Jul 20, '16, 10:55 am gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] NOW Ted Cruz addresses supporters in Cleveland – LIVE online here: http://cs.pn/29U0Vgu __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #540   Jul 20, '16, 11:07 am Robert Bay Moderator Join Date: June 26, 2005 Posts: 32,570 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] MODERATOR REMINDER No personal attacks upon political candidates or their families All posts are to remain charitable at all time __________________ Robert Bay, Moderator Forum Rules Never let evil talk pass your lips; say only the good things men need to hear, things that will really help them. (Ephesians 4:29) Moderator direction can be appealed by sending an email to: forumadmin@catholic.com Jul 20, '16, 11:07 am Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,403 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam NOW Ted Cruz addresses supporters in Cleveland – LIVE online here: http://cs.pn/29U0Vgu I caught the flyover of a certain candidate, accompanied by the "boos" of the Cruz crowd. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #542   Jul 20, '16, 11:12 am gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Donald Trump & Mike Pence Cleveland Welcome Rally – LIVE shotly on C-SPAN http://cs.pn/29UiY45 __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #543   Jul 20, '16, 11:56 am chero23 Forum Master Join Date: November 12, 2012 Posts: 15,737 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY You think the opinions of a soap opera actor carry the same weight as the Pope? But shouldn't both be held to the same standards considering both are adults? Or are you stating that the Pope is wrong and Sabato is right just bc he's an underwear model and a republican? __________________ Check out my Catholic Apologetic Booklet. 121 themes/doctrines, 5,200 Bible Verses, 192 pages. English https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...bFU/edit?pli=1 Spanish https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...M2c/edit?pli=1 Let others know about my booklet.   #544   Jul 20, '16, 12:01 pm chero23 Forum Master Join Date: November 12, 2012 Posts: 15,737 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] To me with the plagiarism, I think Michelle should come out and say, "Hey guys stop it, if our speeches were similar, so be it." I remember when John Kerry's wife said in 2004 that Laura Bush had never had a job. Laura Bush had worked before as a teacher. Kerry's wife apologized and Laura Bush said, no harm no foul. Michelle needs to do the same. __________________ Check out my Catholic Apologetic Booklet. 121 themes/doctrines, 5,200 Bible Verses, 192 pages. English https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...bFU/edit?pli=1 Spanish https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...M2c/edit?pli=1 Let others know about my booklet.   #545   Jul 20, '16, 12:02 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Well, we learned one interesting fact from the Melania speech kerfuffle: Melania is a fan of Michelle Obama Meredith McIver (Trump's in house writer): “A person she has always liked is Michelle Obama"   #546   Jul 20, '16, 12:03 pm Maximilan Kolbe Banned Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Is that kind of specific information generally spoken about during a convention? I don't recall. They generally put out working papers and plans, usually through their website. Or it comes up in debates. Speeches aren't policy discussions, generally.   #547   Jul 20, '16, 12:08 pm chero23 Forum Master Join Date: November 12, 2012 Posts: 15,737 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Several things about the convention.. 1) Plagiarism, it does seem weird that an advisor wanted to resign amid the turmoil but was not let go. Having said that, if I'm advising Michelle Obama, I would tell her to get on TV and say, stop it guys, quit being so childish. 2) Men like Sabato claiming that Obama is nto Christian speaks low of these individuals. Who are we to say who is Christian and who is not. We can not truly say That Trump is a true Christian but that is not our job to say whose Christian and who isn't. Trump nor anyone in his camp has spoke against those comments. 3) Bush 43 said that he worried he would be the last real republican president. http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/19/politi...can-president/ 4) What Carson said about HRC and her being Lucifer, I taught that as Catholics we couldn't really condemn anyone. Were not allowed to say person x,y, and Z is in hell. Yet this man called HRC Lucifer, whoa. __________________ Check out my Catholic Apologetic Booklet. 121 themes/doctrines, 5,200 Bible Verses, 192 pages. 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Especially since Donald took his cue from Nero and his coliseum columns entrance that was mocked in 2012.   #549   Jul 20, '16, 12:10 pm Hoosier Daddy Forum Master Join Date: August 13, 2013 Posts: 12,162 Religion: Still Catholic...... Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr Well, we learned one interesting fact from the Melania speech kerfuffle: Melania is a fan of Michelle Obama Meredith McIver (Trump's in house writer): “A person she has always liked is Michelle Obama" You know I say this as an incredibly conservative and dyed in the wool republican. I like and admire Michelle Obama. Much more so than I do her husband. I have no problem with my children seeing her as an example of a classy and polished First Lady. Her opinions and beliefs are in direct conflict with mine but I find it quite easy to respect and admire her while thinking she is wrong. __________________ --- Better to be slapped with the Truth than kissed with a lie--------- Russian Proverb Hey, Visit my wife's site and buy yourself some spiffy T shirts! http://www.catholic-threads.com/   #550   Jul 20, '16, 12:15 pm Maximilan Kolbe Banned Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by chero23 Several things about the convention.. 1) Plagiarism, it does seem weird that an advisor wanted to resign amid the turmoil but was not let go. Having said that, if I'm advising Michelle Obama, I would tell her to get on TV and say, stop it guys, quit being so childish. 2) Men like Sabato claiming that Obama is nto Christian speaks low of these individuals. Who are we to say who is Christian and who is not. We can not truly say That Trump is a true Christian but that is not our job to say whose Christian and who isn't. Trump nor anyone in his camp has spoke against those comments. 3) Bush 43 said that he worried he would be the last real republican president. http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/19/politi...can-president/ 4) What Carson said about HRC and her being Lucifer, I taught that as Catholics we couldn't really condemn anyone. Were not allowed to say person x,y, and Z is in hell. Yet this man called HRC Lucifer, whoa. 2) You said twice it is wrong to question whether someone is a Christian, then said we can't say whether Trump is one. Come again? 4) Where are you getting your facts? You may want to read what he said. He said Hillary is a big admirer of Saul Alinsky (her own words), and Saul dedicated his book that she loved to Lucifer. He also said how poorly that reflects on the character of someone elected to lead us. Most folks probably agree. I don't admire anyone who dedicates their efforts to Satan.   #551   Jul 20, '16, 12:21 pm chero23 Forum Master Join Date: November 12, 2012 Posts: 15,737 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Maximilan Kolbe 2) You said twice it is wrong to question whether someone is a Christian, then said we can't say whether Trump is one. Come again? 4) Where are you getting your facts? You may want to read what he said. He said Hillary is a big admirer of Saul Alinsky (her own words), and Saul dedicated his book that she loved to Lucifer. He also said how poorly that reflects on the character of someone elected to lead us. Most folks probably agree. I don't admire anyone who dedicates their efforts to Satan. I said, how can people speak of Obama and his faith, when there's enough evidence to show that Trump is not truly a real Christian. (I am using Sabato comparison) 4) So your saying that is Ok for him to have made that conncetion. You are basically condemining someone? __________________ Check out my Catholic Apologetic Booklet. 121 themes/doctrines, 5,200 Bible Verses, 192 pages. English https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...bFU/edit?pli=1 Spanish https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...M2c/edit?pli=1 Let others know about my booklet.   #552   Jul 20, '16, 12:21 pm Padres1969 Regular Member Join Date: October 28, 2015 Posts: 5,291 Religion: Episcopalian Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by chero23 To me with the plagiarism, I think Michelle should come out and say, "Hey guys stop it, if our speeches were similar, so be it." I remember when John Kerry's wife said in 2004 that Laura Bush had never had a job. Laura Bush had worked before as a teacher. Kerry's wife apologized and Laura Bush said, no harm no foul. Michelle needs to do the same. Has Mrs. Trump come out and apologized yet?   #553   Jul 20, '16, 12:24 pm chero23 Forum Master Join Date: November 12, 2012 Posts: 15,737 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Padres1969 Has Mrs. Trump come out and apologized yet? She doesn't have to start it. If I'm Michelle, I'm trying to show the maturity that Laura Bush showed in the 2004 presidential election. Look, I went to college, and we were tortured freshmen year about plagiarism. It's a serious thing, but we can not say, well Melanie started, so she has to contiue. No, be an adult, and say, Hey no harm no foul. __________________ Check out my Catholic Apologetic Booklet. 121 themes/doctrines, 5,200 Bible Verses, 192 pages. English https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...bFU/edit?pli=1 Spanish https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...M2c/edit?pli=1 Let others know about my booklet.   #554   Jul 20, '16, 12:30 pm Padres1969 Regular Member Join Date: October 28, 2015 Posts: 5,291 Religion: Episcopalian Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by chero23 She doesn't have to start it. If I'm Michelle, I'm trying to show the maturity that Laura Bush showed in the 2004 presidential election. Look, I went to college, and we were tortured freshmen year about plagiarism. It's a serious thing, but we can not say, well Melanie started, so she has to contiue. No, be an adult, and say, Hey no harm no foul. You just said Mrs. Kerry apologized and then Mrs. Bush said no harm no foul. But you want Mrs. Obama to come out and say something first? How about Mrs. Trump acknowledge her wrong like an adult, and then Mrs. Obama be held to the same standard as Mrs. Bush? Otherwise there's no incentive for Mrs. Trump to acknowledge she did something wrong. Which so far she has shown no inclination toward doing despite the fact her own speechwriter acknowledged that Mrs Trump knew what she was doing. http://gawker.com/speechwriter-confi...ing-1783980633 Last edited by Padres1969; Jul 20, '16 at 12:42 pm.   #555   Jul 20, '16, 12:43 pm chero23 Forum Master Join Date: November 12, 2012 Posts: 15,737 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Padres1969 You just said Mrs. Kerry apologized and then Mrs. Bush said no harm no foul. But you want Mrs. Obama to come out and say something first? How about Mrs. Trump acknowledge her wrong like an adult, and then Mrs. Obama be held to the same standard as Mrs. Bush? Otherwise there's no incentive for Mrs. Trump to acknowledge she did something wrong. Which so far she has shown no inclination toward doing. That is true, Kerry's wife did apologize and Laura Bush said "hey ir's all good". But, the press, is saying Melanie took some of her speech from that of Michelle's. If Melanie nor anybody in the Trump camp acknowledges any wrongdoing, then that's on them. __________________ Check out my Catholic Apologetic Booklet. 121 themes/doctrines, 5,200 Bible Verses, 192 pages. English https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...bFU/edit?pli=1 Spanish https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...M2c/edit?pli=1 Let others know about my booklet. Jul 20, '16, 12:50 pm Padres1969 Regular Member Join Date: October 28, 2015 Posts: 5,291 Religion: Episcopalian Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by chero23 That is true, Kerry's wife did apologize and Laura Bush said "hey ir's all good". But, the press, is saying Melanie took some of her speech from that of Michelle's. If Melanie nor anybody in the Trump camp acknowledges any wrongdoing, then that's on them. Ok. And if they don't want to acknowledge they did wrong, why would Mrs. Obama offer any kind of "it's all good?" Generally speaking it's not all good, but it could be if they acknowledge the screw up. This goes back to modern PR 101 I was mentioning serveral pages back. If you screwed up, apologize. The public and press are always eager for a forgiveness story and then generally move on. If you do something obviously wrong, and deny or ignore it... it generally is not let go and the press and public will continue to make it an issue. If Mrs. Trump came out and apologized by tomorrow it would be old news and forgotten, but it'll have legs for weeks if she doesn't and will be the "highlight" of the convention.   #557   Jul 20, '16, 12:58 pm Strydersroom Banned Join Date: June 27, 2016 Posts: 504 Religion: agnostic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] I believe a sign of a good campaign starts with focusing on solving problems and coming up with solutions that can benefit a united country. A sign of a weak campaign seems to focus only on demonizing the other side. In this case, the sheer hate for Hillary seems to be reaching critical mass to the absurd. Does anyone know any legitimate solutions Trump has suggested besides his impossible wall idea.   #558   Jul 20, '16, 12:59 pm chero23 Forum Master Join Date: November 12, 2012 Posts: 15,737 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Padres1969 Ok. And if they don't want to acknowledge they did wrong, why would Mrs. Obama offer any kind of "it's all good?" Generally speaking it's not all good, but it could be if they acknowledge the screw up. This goes back to modern PR 101 I was mentioning serveral pages back. If you screwed up, apologize. The public and press are always eager for a forgiveness story and then generally move on. If you do something obviously wrong, and deny or ignore it... it generally is not let go and the press and public will continue to make it an issue. If Mrs. Trump came out and apologized by tomorrow it would be old news and forgotten, but it'll have legs for weeks if she doesn't and will be the "highlight" of the convention. I mean I see both points, both arguments that you and me are saying. __________________ Check out my Catholic Apologetic Booklet. 121 themes/doctrines, 5,200 Bible Verses, 192 pages. English https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...bFU/edit?pli=1 Spanish https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...M2c/edit?pli=1 Let others know about my booklet.   #559   Jul 20, '16, 1:20 pm Padres1969 Regular Member Join Date: October 28, 2015 Posts: 5,291 Religion: Episcopalian Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Ok... is it possible Trump is just playing us all for fools? Quote: Donald Jr. wanted to make [Governor John Kasich] an offer nonetheless: Did he have any interest in being the most powerful vice president in history? When Kasich’s adviser asked how this would be the case, Donald Jr. explained that his father’s vice president would be in charge of domestic and foreign policy. Then what, the adviser asked, would Trump be in charge of? “Making America great again” was the casual reply. Is it really possible that Trump really does have no interest in running the country? That this is all some sort of elaborate gag he's stringing us all along on? http://gawker.com/donald-trump-offer...ncy-1783971713   #560   Jul 20, '16, 1:25 pm gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Trump just tweeted: "John Kasich was never asked by me to be V.P. Just arrived in Cleveland - will be a great two days!" BTW: Trump is showing great discipline this week. Looks like he is learning how to be a politician. What people are calling 'presidential' __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #561   Jul 20, '16, 1:41 pm _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,523 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Wow, major update in the Melania Trump speech scandal! Donald Trump recently tweeted regarding this and it's linked to on his website: https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/MeredithStatement.pdf __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org   #562   Jul 20, '16, 1:44 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Padres1969 Good point. That tweet doesn't actually deny what has been alleged. The fact he felt the need to respond at all too makes me wonder if there isn't some veracity to the story. Trump is a brand, what does a brand need to be doing wasting his time running a country. And Trump screwed up his own convention by calling Fox during the speeches on Monday. He wanted to diss Kasich for not showing up in his own state for his own party. Kasich is sure showing backbone.   #563   Jul 20, '16, 1:46 pm mary bobo Veteran Member Forum Supporter Join Date: May 19, 2005 Posts: 10,618 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia Wow, major update in the Melania Trump speech scandal! Donald Trump recently tweeted regarding this and it's linked to on his website: https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/MeredithStatement.pdf I heard this earlier today, but those who do not like Trump will continue to make a big issue of this. Having worked beside a PR person in a US senate campaign, I seriously doubt that Trump himself had anything to do with who helped Melania write her speech. The explanation seems plausible to me. __________________ Praying for all CAF intentions.   #564   Jul 20, '16, 1:51 pm Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by mary bobo I heard this earlier today, but those who do not like Trump will continue to make a big issue of this. Having worked beside a PR person in a US senate campaign, I seriously doubt that Trump himself had anything to do with who helped Melania write her speech. The explanation seems plausible to me. One wonders why he let the speculation go on for two days. Did he want people talking about this or the convention? Do you think the writer didn't know immediately that she screwed up?   #565   Jul 20, '16, 1:58 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,804 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings One wonders why he let the speculation go on for two days. Did he want people talking about this or the convention? Do you think the writer didn't know immediately that she screwed up? Possibly Trump recognized what a non issue this whole incident really is,the only ones working themselves into a lather are the usual suspects,the media and the Dems,which on it's face is laughable considering all the real scandals surrounding HC   #566   Jul 20, '16, 2:42 pm chero23 Forum Master Join Date: November 12, 2012 Posts: 15,737 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] It seems like trump wanted to give the vp to kasich and had offered him to be in charge of policy. I'm pretty sure with the way things are between trump and kasich right now, Trump might lose some support in Ohio. __________________ Check out my Catholic Apologetic Booklet. 121 themes/doctrines, 5,200 Bible Verses, 192 pages. 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There was never an indication Kasich was on the short list for VP. This looks like an invented story. __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #569   Jul 20, '16, 2:55 pm gracepoole Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings One wonders why he let the speculation go on for two days. Did he want people talking about this or the convention? Do you think the writer didn't know immediately that she screwed up? It seems at least possible that she became the fall guy (or fall gal, I guess) once it became obvious that the story wasn't going away. His campaign manager's initial response was really weak.   #570   Jul 20, '16, 3:01 pm gracepoole Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Wow. I know some here will disagree with his assertions regarding Trump but if he what he says happened to both he and other protestors is correct, that's awful. (Note that this an Anglican Catholic priest, not Roman Catholic.) Personally, I like the "Trump Hut" pictured in this article. Quote: It took 27 days for Father Jose Landaverde, a 45-year-old priest and immigrant rights activist from Illinois, to walk from Chicago to Cleveland. Despite the scorching heat, which left another member of his group hospitalised, Landaverde walked the 360 miles to deliver an important message. "We want to raise awareness in small towns and communities about the hate and racist speech of Donald Trump," he said, speaking at a rally organised by a bloc of groups opposed to the anti-immigrant sentiments of the presidential nominee, as the Republican National Convention was under way. Accompanied by four people, and regularly joined by others along the way, the pastor with the Faith, Life, and Hope Mission in Chicago walked as much as 25 miles a day, sometimes less when they ran into obstacles. Some of the Chicago-based Syrian refugees who walked with him turned back when they were intercepted by hate groups. "They stopped us in Angola, Indiana," he said. "They tried to beat us, told us 'Mexicans go back home,' and some had signs outside their homes reading, 'We are all Donald Trump'." The priest is pushing for immigration reform and is hoping to appeal to Republican delegates who are in Cleveland for the week to formally nominate the celebrity tycoon. Trump has called for a wall to be built on the US border with Mexico to stop immigrants from entering the country. "We have to stop the deportations and ask for immigration reform here at the convention," the pastor said. "We want to open a dialogue with people who don't know us, as immigrants. We want to tell them: we are here, we are your brothers. We can live together." http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fea...073240777.html