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Originally Posted by Good Tidings
I just listened to Steve Schmidt
(McCain's compaign manager) say that the Trump campaign looking
incompetent is a big problem for Trump. He is saying that the big donors
may think they are wasting their money. He also stated that Trump
promises to bring the best people to Washington to work with him, and
the campaign is the precursor to his judgement in that matter.
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I heard Steve last night too discussing this latest situation and
relating it to how the campaign operates and looking incompetent. Even
as a Republican, he must still have the concerns today that many of us
do.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
Laura Ingraham gave a great speech and all the Cable TV Networks cut her speech while they interviewed pundits except Fox News.
MSNBC and CNN make me ill.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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Laura Ingraham gave a great speech and all the Cable TV Networks cut her speech while they interviewed pundits except Fox News.
MSNBC and CNN make me ill.
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Then watch FOX News or C-Span?  It's a free country. That's what so great about it.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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MSNBC and CNN make me ill.
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This whole election makes me ill. They better stock up on vomit bags at the polling places this year.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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Laura Ingraham gave a great speech and all the Cable TV Networks cut her speech while they interviewed pundits except Fox News.
MSNBC and CNN make me ill.
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I have a really hard time with Ingraham. After she suggested that
the Vatican champions immigration efforts to make money, I lost A LOT of
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just gets a huge amount of money from the federal government to work on
the resettlement of refugees and migrants and they believe that this is a
way to keep the people in the pews.
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http://mediamatters.org/video/2016/0...-why-wa/208803
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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Laura Ingraham gave a great speech and all the Cable TV Networks cut her speech while they interviewed pundits except Fox News.
MSNBC and CNN make me ill.
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 Sounded good to me too.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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This whole election makes me ill. They better stock up on vomit bags at the polling places this year.
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LOL Perhaps they will.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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This whole election makes me ill. They better stock up on vomit bags at the polling places this year.
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At the least, there will be a lot of dry heaving
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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I just listened to Steve Schmidt
(McCain's compaign manager) say that the Trump campaign looking
incompetent is a big problem for Trump. He is saying that the big donors
may think they are wasting their money. He also stated that Trump
promises to bring the best people to Washington to work with him, and
the campaign is the precursor to his judgement in that matter.
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Originally Posted by Sy Noe
I heard Steve last night too discussing
this latest situation and relating it to how the campaign operates and
looking incompetent. Even as a Republican, he must still have the
concerns today that many of us do.
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Steve Schmidt and Nicole Wallace have been great this whole cycle.
I think their experience with the McCain/Palin campaign gave them a
whole new perspective on the GOP. They are both still Republicans but
it's like the veil is lifted. They saw firsthand how dangerous the GOP
inclination to appeal to the darker side of American populism can be and
they know that's Trump's whole thing.
Plus, just the fact that they've both been through all of this-the V.P.
pick process and trying to keep it secret, the convention speeches,
etc.- gives them great insight into the process. Nicole said that the
candidate's spouse's speech is the toughest job in the campaign because
the spouse is often nervous and not use to the limelight and deserves
everyone to be at the absolute top of their game. She has been
completely shocked that any campaign would let something like this
happen.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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Steve Schmidt and Nicole Wallace have
been great this whole cycle. I think their experience with the
McCain/Palin campaign gave them a whole new perspective on the GOP. They
are both still Republicans but it's like the veil is lifted. They saw
firsthand how dangerous the GOP inclination to appeal to the darker side
of American populism can be and they know that's Trump's whole thing.
Plus, just the fact that they've both been through all of this-the V.P.
pick process and trying to keep it secret, the convention speeches,
etc.- gives them great insight into the process. Nicole said that the
candidate's spouse's speech is the toughest job in the campaign because
the spouse is often nervous and not use to the limelight and deserves
everyone to be at the absolute top of their game. She has been
completely shocked that any campaign would let something like this
happen.
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I loved Schmidt's character in Game Change. And I've said more than once lately that I can't wait to see the HBO film made about this election cycle...
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
Is it just me, or is Ted Cruz giving his own acceptance speech?. We are pretty far into it and he hasn't mentioned Trump.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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Is it just me, or is Ted Cruz giving his own acceptance speech?. We are pretty far into it and he hasn't mentioned Trump.
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It does. Personally, he was my candidate so I'm enjoying listening to him.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
No endorsement! And not even a mention of Trump!
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
What the heck was that?
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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Is it just me, or is Ted Cruz giving his own acceptance speech?. We are pretty far into it and he hasn't mentioned Trump.
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Cruz gave a magnificent speech. Even Rachel Maddow praised it, and
that's something! I never heard Cruz sound better. However, while he
talked a lot about freedom and how Obama and Hillary have curtailed it,
he fell short of actually endorsing Trump, or even mentioning his name,
unless I missed it. Only vote your conscience.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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What the heck was that?
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That's ted Cruz committing career suicide. Don't be surprised if he loses senate reelection.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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Is it just me, or is Ted Cruz giving his own acceptance speech?. We are pretty far into it and he hasn't mentioned Trump.
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I have to say is was pretty obvious he was avoiding any mention of
Trump,outside of his initial congrats to him for sealing e
nomination.However,not really suprising.That he so eloquently spoke of
what is at stake for our Country and the need to unify ,he in effect
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
They're saying that Cruz's speech was not vetted by the Trump campaign. How? 
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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Their saying that Cruz's speech was not vetted by the Trump campaign. How? |
Not really surprising. Trump's campaign doesn't seem to like vetting speeches.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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I have to say is was pretty obvious he
was avoiding any mention of Trump,outside of his initial congrats to him
for sealing e nomination.However,not really suprising.That he so
eloquently spoke of what is at stake for our Country and the need to
unify ,he in effect gave his endorsement.
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He said "Vote your conscience" Pundits are saying he was releasing them from having to vote Republican.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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I loved Schmidt's character in Game Change. And I've said more than once lately that I can't wait to see the HBO film made about this election cycle...
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Nicole was a major character in that, too! Great movie and book.
Double Down, also by Halperin and Heilemann was a good book, too, about
the last election. It didn't get as much attention as Game Change
because it didn't have Palin but it was good if you like to hear all the
wonky stuff from inside campaigns. I can't believe the kind of access
they get.
I can't wait to read this year's Halperin/Heilemann book or see the HBO
movie if they make one. (They didn't make one out of Double Down 
) Have you been watching their show "The Circus" on Showtime? It's kind
of a weekly version of what they will ultimately turn into their next
book. Lots of good "behind-the-scenes" stuff about the campaigns.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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He said "Vote your conscience" Pundits are saying he was releasing them from having to vote Republican.
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Hmmm ,guess we will have to see...
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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They're saying that Cruz's speech was not vetted by the Trump campaign. How? |
He said earlier today that they had seen it. Maybe he pulled a fast one on them. That was kind of wild.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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He said "Vote your conscience" Pundits are saying he was releasing them from having to vote Republican.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
I need to watch the speech. I saw Cruz this afternoon for a few minutes,
he expressed similar sentiments about voting your conscience. I'm
reading that his speech was on notes he held on not on the TelePrompTer.
Very interesting, very gutsy and quite cool!
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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Nicole was a major character in that,
too! Great movie and book. Double Down, also by Halperin and Heilemann
was a good book, too, about the last election. It didn't get as much
attention as Game Change because it didn't have Palin but it was good if
you like to hear all the wonky stuff from inside campaigns. I can't
believe the kind of access they get.
I can't wait to read this year's Halperin/Heilemann book or see the HBO
movie if they make one. (They didn't make one out of Double Down
) Have you been watching their show "The Circus" on Showtime? It's kind
of a weekly version of what they will ultimately turn into their next
book. Lots of good "behind-the-scenes" stuff about the campaigns. |
Is the Circus any good? I don't care for Mark Halperin too much so
I haven't watched it. He strikes me as being smug. Who ever that guy is
that wears the cowboy hat seems to be well respected so maybe I'll
catch the show.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
Christie and the Trump family didn't look too happy about the whole thing.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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He said "Vote your conscience" Pundits are saying he was releasing them from having to vote Republican.
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Trump gave him the chance to make peace and unite the party by
trusting him to make a good speech. Well he was given the rope and used
it to hang himself. He was practically booed off the stage. They chanted
"we want trump" when he said "vote your conscience".
Well done, cruz. Now everyone in America sees why he will never ever be president, because he doesn't know how to be gracious.
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Trump gave him the chance to make peace
and unite the party by trusting him to make a good speech. Well he was
given the rope and used it to hang himself. He was practically booed off
the stage. They chanted "we want trump" when he said "vote your
conscience".
Well done, cruz. Now everyone in America sees why he will never ever be president, because he doesn't know how to be gracious.
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After the personal conflict Cruz had with Trump during the
primaries, I think it was gracious enough of him to even show up at the
RNC and give a speech.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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Trump gave him the chance to make peace
and unite the party by trusting him to make a good speech. Well he was
given the rope and used it to hang himself. He was practically booed off
the stage. They chanted "we want trump" when he said "vote your
conscience".
Well done, cruz. Now everyone in America sees why he will never ever be president, because he doesn't know how to be gracious.
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I think he was booed off the stage. He's thinking about 2020.
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Newt Gingrich: Ted Cruz said to vote your conscience for anyone
upholding the constitution; in this election there is only one candidate
that will uphold the constitution.
The whole hall erupts in cheers.
Thank you Newt.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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I think he was booed off the stage. He's thinking about 2020.
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I know there is some speculation that he would primary Trump if
Trump becomes President, in 2020... I seriously doubt that would happen.
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After the personal conflict Cruz had with
Trump during the primaries, I think it was gracious enough of him to
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Cruz also doesn't know when to finish a speech.
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After the personal conflict Cruz had with
Trump during the primaries, I think it was gracious enough of him to
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and it was a pretty good speech.
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Cruz also doesn't know when to finish a speech.
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I thought he was finished three times. I kept waiting for him to endorse Trump.
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I thought he was finished three times. I kept waiting for him to endorse Trump.
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Remember when he took half an hour introducing his running mate carly?
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Not really surprising. Trump's campaign doesn't seem to like vetting speeches.
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True that. I does seem to be a week full of surprises. I wonder what tomorrow will bring
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Is the Circus any good? I don't care for
Mark Halperin too much so I haven't watched it. He strikes me as being
smug. Who ever that guy is that wears the cowboy hat seems to be well
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I like it. Some weeks are better than others. Last week, with the VP pick stuff, was good.
I hear you on Halperin. He's the guy who got suspended from MSNBC for a
month for calling Obama a d***. Conservatives say H & H are
liberals, liberals say they're conservative. I kind of like that about
them, plus, they seem to get inside info and access that no one else
gets. I suspect the show is holding some things back because they make
their big bucks on the books. Also, I think part of the deal they make
for the unprecedented access is they won't print some of the stuff they
get until the election is over.
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Remember when he took half an hour introducing his running mate carly?
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Was that the time she fell off the stage?
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Was that the time she fell off the stage?
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I saw Cruz' speech. It was awkward. The New York delegation was chanting
We Want Trump; he had to acknowledge and "thank" them. I think Cruz
sucked a lot of life out of the crowd by motivating his base at the
convention. If I were Trump I would be furious - but Trump invited him.
To me it speaks to character - I think ironically Cruz's nonendorsement
may backfire. Trump will gain from it - especially if he stays cool and
doesn't fire off with tweets, etc. I think he'll win the PR war, and not
a few NeverTrumpers with him. Cruz out-cheesed Trump - not easy to do.
The one thing we all forget - Cruz had his chance with the American
people in the same primaries Trump ran in - he was the last great hope
after Rubio crashed. (I was going to vote for him but Trump secured the
nomination before I had a chance. ) Cruz sank like a stone - as he will
again next time around. Too hard right.
Did you see Brit Hume? "Why do so many approach Ted Cruz with such strong negative attitudes? Saves time."
Again I think Trump makes it through this ok. He has my sympathy anyway.
And his vision of the party being laid out at the convention is just
fine by me - I will take him over Cruz any day of the week. Eric Trump
was great about Trump running for the "little guy." (I felt sorry for
him following Cruz - his speech was good, but it felt like everyone was
still in shock.) Cruz talked a lot about freedom - didn't mention a
single worker in the US. Make that his freedom to run for president.
With his conscience intact?...who knows.
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Ted Cruz could have gone home tonight, the second most popular man at
the convention. Instead he may go home the most unpopular. He had
nothing to lose and everything to gain and he blew it.
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I did not listen to Cruz's speech, but I just read it. I think the
people criticizing Cruz and booing him off the stage have done/are
doing more to hurt party unity than anything Cruz said or didn't say.
If anyone thought that Cruz was saying anything other than vote for the
republican nominee they must have heard something different from what I
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I didn't think ole' Ted Cruz had it in him. I mean this is one way to launch a 2020 bid, that's for sure.
The DNC will undoubtedly be tame compared to this hot mess of a convention.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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Originally Posted by FollowChrist34
I saw Cruz' speech. It was awkward. The
New York delegation was chanting We Want Trump; he had to acknowledge
and "thank" them. I think Cruz sucked a lot of life out of the crowd by
motivating his base at the convention. If I were Trump I would be
furious - but Trump invited him.
To me it speaks to character - I think ironically Cruz's nonendorsement
may backfire. Trump will gain from it - especially if he stays cool and
doesn't fire off with tweets, etc. I think he'll win the PR war, and not
a few NeverTrumpers with him. Cruz out-cheesed Trump - not easy to do.
The one thing we all forget - Cruz had his chance with the American
people in the same primaries Trump ran in - he was the last great hope
after Rubio crashed. (I was going to vote for him but Trump secured the
nomination before I had a chance. ) Cruz sank like a stone - as he will
again next time around. Too hard right.
Did you see Brit Hume? "Why do so many approach Ted Cruz with such strong negative attitudes? Saves time."
Again I think Trump makes it through this ok. He has my sympathy anyway.
And his vision of the party being laid out at the convention is just
fine by me - I will take him over Cruz any day of the week. Eric Trump
was great about Trump running for the "little guy." (I felt sorry for
him following Cruz - his speech was good, but it felt like everyone was
still in shock.) Cruz talked a lot about freedom - didn't mention a
single worker in the US. Make that his freedom to run for president.
With his conscience intact?...who knows.
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I don't get it. What did he say that seemed like anyone should
vote for someone other than Trump? He may have never said vote for
Trump, but he made it clear we should vote for the Republican nominee,
and that is Trump.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
Trump was there for the speech of his son Eric, which was quite good
actually. But then he left, and didn't come back for his vice president.
Am I the only one who finds that odd?
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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I didn't think ole' Ted Cruz had it in him. I mean this is one way to launch a 2020 bid, that's for sure.
The DNC will undoubtedly be tame compared to this hot mess of a convention.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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I don't get it. What did he say that
seemed like anyone should vote for someone other than Trump? He may have
never said vote for Trump, but he made it clear we should vote for the
Republican nominee, and that is Trump.
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Right - that is the way it sounds on paper. I thought it would be
fine. The problem was when it played live there was tension, real
tension by that point. The Cruz people were going nuts; the Trump people
chanting we want Trump. Cruz laid out a case for voting one's
conscience, voting for someone who has principles and believes in the
constitution. It was a divided crowd; palpable tension. What is weird is
that it is already seeming under control. I am missing Pence typing
this - but it does feel like Eric Trump, Ryan, Gingrich, Pence are
putting a lid on the tension. And it seems like the Cruz people are on
board - the irony is (as you point out) Cruz and the rest of the
speakers are talking about a lot of the same issues. You may be right -
by and large the Cruz people do seem to plan to go behind Trump - Cruz
did say to vote.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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Trump was there for the speech of his son
Eric, which was quite good actually. But then he left, and didn't come
back for his vice president.
Am I the only one who finds that odd?
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I don't get much that is going on. When he came in for his son's speech I thought it was to shut Cruz up.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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Newt Gingrich: Ted Cruz said to vote your
conscience for anyone upholding the constitution; in this election
there is only one candidate that will uphold the constitution.
The whole hall erupts in cheers.
Thank you Newt.
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I dont think that Cruz believes that Trump would uphold the constitution.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
As Pence took the stage a caption scrolled that read "Pence grew up
Catholic but is now a born again Christian. I have to say that offends
me.
- Are Catholics not Christian?
- Are we not born again through Christ?
Being a "former" Catholic he should have know better then to realize that discription.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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SOURCE: The Trump camp knew this morning Cruz would not endorse and told Cruz's camp they'd orchestrate booing if he refused.
8:57 PM - 20 Jul 2016
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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Originally Posted by 10gr8kids
I don't get it. What did he say that
seemed like anyone should vote for someone other than Trump? He may have
never said vote for Trump, but he made it clear we should vote for the
Republican nominee, and that is Trump.
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I think it was this part:
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our country, and love your children as much as I know you do, stand, and
speak, and vote your conscience, vote for candidates up and down the
ticket who you trust to defend our freedom and to be faithful to the
Constitution,"
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That's pretty much the credo of the "Never Trump" movement and
"vote your conscience" is code for "Don't vote for Trump." The "stop
Trump" contingent have been saying the convention rules violated their
rights to "vote their conscience."
What a strange convention. About the only people who have had anything
good to say about Trump are the people actually named Trump and one of
them had to steal from Michelle Obama to even do that.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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As Pence took the stage a caption
scrolled that read "Pence grew up Catholic but is now a born again
Christian. I have to say that offends me.
- Are Catholics not Christian?
- Are we not born again through Christ?
Being a "former" Catholic he should have know better then to realize that discription.
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I'm not sure who offends you. Pence or the news station?
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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I'm not sure who offends you. Pence or the news station?
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Pence he provided the copy.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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I don't get much that is going on. When he came in for his son's speech I thought it was to shut Cruz up.
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I thought so, too. Did he sit through any other family member's speech? He was angry!
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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I thought so, too. Did he set through any other family member's speech? He was angry!
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I don't think he was there yesterday for the other two speeches. But I'm not 100% sure.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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That's ted Cruz committing career suicide. Don't be surprised if he loses senate reelection.
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That was Cruz salvaging his career. Those that are jumping on the Trump bandwagon are permanently damaging their reputations.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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As Pence took the stage a caption
scrolled that read "Pence grew up Catholic but is now a born again
Christian. I have to say that offends me.
- Are Catholics not Christian?
- Are we not born again through Christ?
Being a "former" Catholic he should have know better then to realize that discription.
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Yeah that's offensive.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
David Shuster
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RNC sources: @tedcruz "speech different than version he gave RNC in
advance." Officials + Cruz had to be physically separated after. #GOP
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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As Pence took the stage a caption
scrolled that read "Pence grew up Catholic but is now a born again
Christian. I have to say that offends me.
- Are Catholics not Christian?
- Are we not born again through Christ?
Being a "former" Catholic he should have know better then to realize that discription.
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I don't like that either.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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I don't think he was there yesterday for the other two speeches. But I'm not 100% sure.
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You are correct. He addressed the convention for a few minutes via video from Trump Tower.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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That was Cruz salvaging his career. Those that are jumping on the Trump bandwagon are permanently damaging their reputations.
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Precisely.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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I think it was this part:
That's pretty much the credo of the "Never Trump" movement and "vote
your conscience" is code for "Don't vote for Trump." The "stop Trump"
contingent have been saying the convention rules violated their rights
to "vote their conscience."
What a strange convention. About the only people who have had anything
good to say about Trump are the people actually named Trump and one of
them had to steal from Michelle Obama to even do that.
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Yes, and "vote up and down the ticket" is code for coming out to
vote for congress but leaving president blank. This is the least unified
a major party has been going into the general election. It will be
interesting to see how that develops over the summer.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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I think it was this part:
That's pretty much the credo of the "Never Trump" movement and "vote
your conscience" is code for "Don't vote for Trump." The "stop Trump"
contingent have been saying the convention rules violated their rights
to "vote their conscience."
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This analysis is spot on.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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Yes, and "vote up and down the ticket" is
code for coming out to vote for congress but leaving president blank.
This is the least unified a major party has been going into the general
election. It will be interesting to see how that develops over the
summer.
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Exactly. Ted Cruz may prove to be a problem for Trump going into the general election.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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That was Cruz salvaging his career. Those that are jumping on the Trump bandwagon are permanently damaging their reputations.
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We'll see--I think it ruined Cruz's career. He pledged to support
the nominee, and he agreed to give the speech, and yet he knew his
speech (without an endorsement) would do more harm than good for Trump.
If Trump wins in November, Cruz will have chosen against the winner.
If Trump loses, Cruz will take part of the blame for Hillary winning.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
As we are taught turn your cheek 7x70. Christian generosity. You are to
soften your hard heart. It's about more than 1 person it's about
"people", unfortunately some Republicans don't understand this, and most
of them are fellow Catholics. It's disappointing to see.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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We'll see--I think it ruined Cruz's
career. He pledged to support the nominee, and he agreed to give the
speech, and yet he knew his speech (without an endorsement) would do
more harm than good for Trump.
If Trump wins in November, Cruz will have chosen against the winner.
If Trump loses, Cruz will take part of the blame for Hillary winning.
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You may be right. But if Trump loses in November, the
establishment Republicans who have sold out to him, like Christie, will
also be finished. There are not a lot of good choices for GOP
politicians in this cycle.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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As Pence took the stage a caption
scrolled that read "Pence grew up Catholic but is now a born again
Christian. I have to say that offends me.
- Are Catholics not Christian?
- Are we not born again through Christ?
Being a "former" Catholic he should have know better then to realize that discription.
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It's commonly used though. No one is saying that Catholics are not
Christian, but 'born again Christians' are a distinct subgroup crossing
denominational lines. And many are non-denominational, as is Pence.
That being said, Catholics are not terribly high regarded, so to all
those born again Christians, he would have had to have that disclaimer.
Just my opinion. You might find some born agains who are perfectly fine
with Catholics.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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We'll see--I think it ruined Cruz's
career. He pledged to support the nominee, and he agreed to give the
speech, and yet he knew his speech (without an endorsement) would do
more harm than good for Trump.
If Trump wins in November, Cruz will have chosen against the winner.
If Trump loses, Cruz will take part of the blame for Hillary winning.
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You are absolutely right about this. Besides, after this stunt, is
there any chance trump voters will vote for cruz ever again? Without
this voter bloc, cruzs political career is finished.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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Originally Posted by Al Moritz
Trump was there for the speech of his son
Eric, which was quite good actually. But then he left, and didn't come
back for his vice president.
Am I the only one who finds that odd?
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Trump did come on stage to join Pence after he gave his speech,
which I thought was very good. Gingrich also did well tonight, even
trying to save Cruz.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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We'll see--I think it ruined Cruz's
career. He pledged to support the nominee, and he agreed to give the
speech, and yet he knew his speech (without an endorsement) would do
more harm than good for Trump.
If Trump wins in November, Cruz will have chosen against the winner.
If Trump loses, Cruz will take part of the blame for Hillary winning.
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I agree. Bad move, reeked of ego. (Makes Kasich look a little
better, huh? If you can't say something nice don't say anything at all  )
I just watched a focus group though of neutral voters (who are these
people???) - they did not even pick up on the coded Cruz nonendorsement
of Trump. Seriously - they think Cruz is on board. Only the left, the
media, and news junkies know enough about the NeverTrump code to pick up
on it. Cruz was subtle - it could be read either way. A lot of viewers
just got the part about how we have to vote and that we must stop
Hillary. I think it is ok - also Pence pulled in the social
conservatives quite well. (We like Mike chants.) The next part will be
weathering the frenzied left media trying to pump it up. I think it may
in fact be pretty much over; the Never Trump crowd at this point is very
small. I would not be surprised to see the people walk out from under
the leaders, Cruz, National Review, etc. back to the party.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
As for Ted Cruz, I agree with Dana Perino:
"My advice - put trump team on same message: we're so glad Cruz was
spoke at the convention. We thank the senator. (Then stop talking!)"
https://twitter.com/danaperino/statu...46281235808256
Moving on, wow, what a speech from Gov Mike Pence! If you don't there is
a serious shot Trump/Pence can win, that speech made clear that they
have a message, an anti establishment message, that will appeal to many
voters fed up with the status quo, and as Pence said, Clinton is the
"Secretary of Status Quo" in many ways.
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
Response from mike Huckabee to cruz speech. He sums it up very well.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...&p=10&refid=52
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Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]
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Trump did come on stage to join Pence
after he gave his speech, which I thought was very good. Gingrich also
did well tonight, even trying to save Cruz.
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Or save Trump?
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