Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread]

Jul 21, '16, 12:11 pm

Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,030 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Songcatcher Ha! Me, too! I actually told my husband last night that I might vote for Cruz for Senate in '18 just to reward him for that move last night. Then, after I got out the smelling salts and picked my husband up off the floor, I said I was just kidding about the vote but I was seriously impressed with him for doing that. I think I'll stick with the hat tip though. This cracked me up Songcatcher. Whew! So glad for your husband you had the salts on hand! __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)

#842   Jul 21, '16, 12:25 pm

CarolNoel Regular Member Join Date: February 12, 2013 Posts: 2,369 Religion: Catholic - Forever

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Not to change the subject, but Mike Pence did a great job, and I did not know he is no longer practicing his Catholic faith and is now an evangelical. I will be praying for him that he does a good job if he is our VP, and to find his way back across the Tiber. __________________ When you feel like you are drowning in life, don't worry. Your LIFEGUARD walks on water.

#843   Jul 21, '16, 12:35 pm

Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,030 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by CarolNoel Not to change the subject, but Mike Pence did a great job, and I did not know he is no longer practicing his Catholic faith and is now an evangelical. I will be praying for him that he does a good job if he is our VP, and to find his way back across the Tiber. You didn't change the subject. Pence was at the convention too. I hadn't known he left the practice either until I saw it the other day here on CAF. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)

#844   Jul 21, '16, 12:57 pm

chero23 Forum Master Join Date: November 12, 2012 Posts: 15,737 Religion: Catholic

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob If Catholics voted their well formed conscience Hillay would lose in a landslide But not vote for Trump. Fill in putting Jesus Christ. __________________ Check out my Catholic Apologetic Booklet. 121 themes/doctrines, 5,200 Bible Verses, 192 pages. English https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...bFU/edit?pli=1 Spanish https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...M2c/edit?pli=1 Let others know about my booklet.

#845   Jul 21, '16, 1:35 pm

DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by chero23 But not vote for Trump. Fill in putting Jesus Christ. Is that what you're doing? __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/

#846   Jul 21, '16, 2:44 pm

chero23 Forum Master Join Date: November 12, 2012 Posts: 15,737 Religion: Catholic

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY Is that what you're doing? I'll tell you a little about my political views. I am moderate leeaning liberal. I don't believe in abortion, or gay marriage, or euthanasia. Moderate in the sense, we do need stuff like social security, food stamps but put strict rules. Having said that, I don't think HRC is the right person, too polarizing and devisive. Trump walks the racist line to close in my opinion especially against hispanics. So if I decide to vote, I might put Jesus Christ. __________________ Check out my Catholic Apologetic Booklet. 121 themes/doctrines, 5,200 Bible Verses, 192 pages. English https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...bFU/edit?pli=1 Spanish https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...M2c/edit?pli=1 Let others know about my booklet.

#847   Jul 21, '16, 2:50 pm

Mulligan2 Regular Member Join Date: December 31, 2012 Posts: 1,355 Religion: Catholic

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] I've had low expectations for the GOP convention. So far, after three days, my expectations have been met.

#848   Jul 21, '16, 3:02 pm

_Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,523 Religion: Catholic

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Mulligan2 I've had low expectations for the GOP convention. So far, after three days, my expectations have been met. I'm not trying to be patronising, but If you had "low expectations" and correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think you are supportive of policies that Republicans generally support, and they are spoken about at the RNC, then I suspect you won't probably get a lot out of the RNC and the same for Republicans with the DNC. __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org

#849   Jul 21, '16, 3:07 pm

Maximilan Kolbe Banned Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia I'm not trying to be patronising, but If you had "low expectations" and correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think you are supportive of policies that Republicans generally support, and they are spoken about at the RNC, then I suspect you won't probably get a lot out of the RNC and the same for Republicans with the DNC. Don't even bother responding.

#850   Jul 21, '16, 3:18 pm

Mulligan2 Regular Member Join Date: December 31, 2012 Posts: 1,355 Religion: Catholic

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia I'm not trying to be patronising, but If you had "low expectations" and correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think you are supportive of policies that Republicans generally support, and they are spoken about at the RNC, then I suspect you won't probably get a lot out of the RNC and the same for Republicans with the DNC. I am not a Democrat or a Republican. However, it's safe to say that I disagree with a lot of the GOP platform. What has been said at the convention is not what I had low expectations of. The overall presentation and key takeaways are what I had low expectations of. The first two days were dominated by the Melania speech, and the third day was dominated by the Cruz non endorsement. To me this speaks volumes about the ad-hoc nature of Mr. Trump's entire campaign. Mr. Trump cannot unify the country when he cannot unify his own party. And for someone who professes to be a great dealmaker, to have Ted Cruz speak at the convention without offering an endorsement is unfathomable.

#851   Jul 21, '16, 4:20 pm

karow Regular Member Join Date: March 9, 2011 Posts: 989

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread], This piece, Scenes From Cleveland’s Republican Trumpocalypse, is telling: Quote: You have to remind yourself that none of this is normal. The red, white and blue banners are waving here at the Republican convention, just as they should. There are the T-shirt sellers and outdoor food stalls, the busy mix of politicos and journalists. There are bands playing in the square and more than ample elephant imagery. But there is no joy at this party. Instead of optimism there is moral exhaustion. The few Congressmen who decided to arrive have the look of spectators at a hanging. A surprising number of delegates quietly confide that they won’t be voting for the nominee. Seasoned party operatives are anxious and apologetic, with one ruefully smiling before saying “I’ve got to go on TV and defend the indefensible.” Beneath all the American flag bunting, the details seem fit for a dystopian novel. Inside the empty baseball stadium that adjoins the convention hall, there are shop owners hawking patriotic wares: signed framed photos of Ronald Reagan; Dwight D. Eisenhower; both Presidents Bush and now Donald J. Trump. Traditionally, we’ve had governors, senators and generals ascend to the presidency, offering unifying messages to create broad coalitions. Now we have a reality TV star, a billionaire populist who now calls himself a “Fifth Avenue Redneck.” He’s famously quick with insults and loose with facts, campaigning on the animating idea of “America First,” a slogan last trotted out by fascist-friendly isolationists sucking up to Hitler. The primary policies underlying this latest incarnation are a Muslim ban, building a “big beautiful wall” across our southern border and aiding Valdimir Putin’s expansionist aims by gutting NATO. The Party of Lincoln’s convention has been reduced to an extended advertisement for the Trump Family brand and their odd entourage of D‑list celebrities, children and assorted sycophants acting as character witnesses for the candidate, while responsible Republicans do everything they can to flee the Cleve. The past few three days have been have been so, so toxic to American society. Relentless immersion in indefensible talking points, Trumfoonery, and the most vile disgorgements of misogyny, racism, and homophobia. Listening to human beings shout, over and over, "Lock her up! Lock her up!" about Hillary Clinton, who has never even been indicted for a crime, no less convicted of one. And buttons and posters and signs and t-shirts with anti-Hillary slogans so obscene they shouldn't be displayed to children.

#852   Jul 21, '16, 4:29 pm

Padres1969 Regular Member Join Date: October 28, 2015 Posts: 5,291 Religion: Episcopalian

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread], Quote: Originally Posted by karow This piece, Scenes From Cleveland’s Republican Trumpocalypse, is telling: The past few three days have been have been so, so toxic to American society. Relentless immersion in indefensible talking points, Trumfoonery, and the most vile disgorgements of misogyny, racism, and homophobia. Listening to human beings shout, over and over, "Lock her up! Lock her up!" about Hillary Clinton, who has never even been indicted for a crime, no less convicted of one. And buttons and posters and signs and t-shirts with anti-Hillary slogans so obscene they shouldn't be displayed to children. One has to wonder where the GOP goes from here. Their party is clearly in complete disarray and in no way one unified party any longer (it really hasn't been since the Tea Party formed). This Trumpocalypse seems to be just the most recent outgrowth of that fragmentation. I mean comparatively little of the party of Reagan, or even George W Bush remains and the parts that do remain have completely lost control. Is it possibly time for the GOP stalwarts to form a new party and cut loose from the Trump/Tea Party perversion of their party?

#853   Jul 21, '16, 4:32 pm

Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread], Quote: Originally Posted by karow This piece, Scenes From Cleveland’s Republican Trumpocalypse, is telling: The past few three days have been have been so, so toxic to American society. Relentless immersion in indefensible talking points, Trumfoonery, and the most vile disgorgements of misogyny, racism, and homophobia. Listening to human beings shout, over and over, "Lock her up! Lock her up!" about Hillary Clinton, who has never even been indicted for a crime, no less convicted of one. And buttons and posters and signs and t-shirts with anti-Hillary slogans so obscene they shouldn't be displayed to children. I can't disagree. I've never seen anything like it; and I wouldn't care to see it again.

#854   Jul 21, '16, 4:34 pm

Good Tidings Regular Member Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread], Quote: Originally Posted by Padres1969 One has to wonder where the GOP goes from here. Their party is clearly in complete disarray and in no way one unified party any longer (it really hasn't been since the Tea Party formed). This Trumpocalypse seems to be just the most recent outgrowth of that fragmentation. I mean comparatively little of the party of Reagan, or even George W Bush remains and the parts that do remain have completely lost control. Is it possibly time for the GOP stalwarts to form a new party and cut loose from the Trump/Tea Party perversion of their party? There has been much written about the civil war in the Republican party. I'm pretty sure things will come to a head after the November election.

#855   Jul 21, '16, 4:50 pm

karow Regular Member Join Date: March 9, 2011 Posts: 989

Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] The Trump campaign is such a mess that David Brock received all of tonight's speeches and leaked them to the press. Whoooops!  Jul 21, '16, 4:53 pm gracepoole Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by karow The Trump campaign is such a mess that David Brock received all of tonight's speeches and leaked them to the press. Whoooops! Quote: But a senior Republican operative working behind the scenes at the convention called the leak " a disaster” that proved that Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and his team “just aren't ready for prime time. ” Amen.   #857   Jul 21, '16, 5:08 pm TexCatholic4JMJ Regular Member Join Date: October 19, 2006 Posts: 2,377 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob If Catholics voted their well formed conscience Hillay would lose in a landslide Isn't that the truth! And for the poster who misread "well formed" for well informed, that, too. I find that many voters, Catholic or not are not well informed. Proof is the questions I (and other poll workers) get when we are helping them work the machines.   #858   Jul 21, '16, 5:09 pm estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by karow The Trump campaign is such a mess that David Brock received all of tonight's speeches and leaked them to the press. Whoooops! Why does it matter?   #859   Jul 21, '16, 5:12 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by karow The Trump campaign is such a mess that David Brock received all of tonight's speeches and leaked them to the press. Whoooops! Maybe trumps people leaked it on purpose to give the press a head start for their negative spins. Bring them on folks! Pretty sure the technical failure on stage yesterday was on purpose to distract from Tes Cruz's disastrous speech.   #860   Jul 21, '16, 5:12 pm _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,523 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by karow The Trump campaign is such a mess that David Brock received all of tonight's speeches and leaked them to the press. Whoooops! The Trump campaign could actually be happy about the leak... perhaps they think it will give the speech more press. __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org   #861   Jul 21, '16, 5:16 pm Dwyer Regular Member Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] MSNBC cut Sheriff Joe's Arpaio's speech from their coverage but they spent the air time showing shouting Pastor Mark Burns. __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)   #862   Jul 21, '16, 5:30 pm kat07 Regular Member Join Date: October 9, 2013 Posts: 607 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] It would have been nice for Ted Cruz to forgive Trump, and keep his word and endorse Trump last night. Cruz made it all about his political intentions and 2020. He went there with no intentions of helping Trump, after Trump went out of his way to try to unite the party and was gracious to invite Cruz to speak. Cruz was selfish last night and in my opinion committed political suicide. Yes, Donald Trump insulted his wife and father, and made a fool of himself for allowing it to happen, but everyone gets insulted and you learn to get over it and move on. As a politician Cruz should know that Trump is better than Hillary. Trump doesn't forgive and last night Cruz showed he's just like Trump. As Christians we are taught to turn the cheek 7 x 70, and soften our hard hearts. Cruz, John Kasich, and Jeb Bush, all Christians, should learn the meaning of forgiveness and the meaning of the "greater good". They should take a page out of Ben Carson's book. They are making this about themselves and not the Country, and it's disappointing to see.   #863   Jul 21, '16, 5:33 pm Dwyer Regular Member Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: And following Tuesday's roll call vote to nominate Donald Trump, self-described "gays for Trump" hosted a DJ night, boasting on the invite that "gays throw the best convention parties." Right-wing commentator Pamela Geller, wearing a rainbow-bedazzled shirt, opened the after-party with a joke: "So, a jihadi walks into a gay bar" . . . Angelo notes that former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani's rousing speech elicited huge applause when he implored the crowd of red-meat Republicans to thank law enforcement officers of "every race, every colour, every creed, every sexual orientation." Later this week, PayPal billionaire Peter Thiel will be the first openly gay man to deliver a prominent keynote speech at a Republican National Convention. http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gay-rep...rump-1.3686672 __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)   #864   Jul 21, '16, 5:36 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by kat07 It would have been nice for Ted Cruz to forgive Trump, and keep his word and endorse Trump last night. Cruz made it all about his political intentions and 2020. He went there with no intentions of helping Trump, after Trump went out of his way to try to unite the party and was gracious to invite Cruz to speak. Cruz was selfish last night and in my opinion committed political suicide. Yes, Donald Trump insulted his wife and father, and made a fool of himself for allowing it to happen, but everyone gets insulted and you learn to get over it and move on. As a politician Cruz should know that Trump is better than Hillary. Trump doesn't forgive and last night Cruz showed he's just like Trump. As Christians we are taught to turn the cheek 7 x 70, and soften our hard hearts. Cruz, John Kasich, and Jeb Bush, all Christians, should learn the meaning of forgiveness and the meaning of the "greater good". They should take a page out of Ben Carson's book. They are making this about themselves and not the Country, and it's disappointing to see. I was surprised trump picked pence as VP who endorsed cruz instead of himself. That shows that trump doesn't necessarily always hold grudges.   #865   Jul 21, '16, 6:40 pm Arizona Mike Regular Member Join Date: May 28, 2011 Posts: 2,921 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by tomarin I found Rubio's performance surprisingly emo. LOL! That's exactly what I was thinking! __________________ "The path that leads us toward what is most consonant with us, pushes us into Mystery, makes us enter Mystery." - Pope Francis   #866   Jul 21, '16, 6:48 pm Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,030 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Dwyer MSNBC cut Sheriff Joe's Arpaio's speech from their coverage but they spent the air time showing shouting Pastor Mark Burns. If you wanted to watch the sheriff, is MSNBC the only network at the convention? You do realize this is still a free country. Change the channel. Several others have convention coverage. This isn't N Korea. That's one of the things that makes us still the great nation that we are. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #867   Jul 21, '16, 6:51 pm Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,030 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by TexCatholic4JMJ Isn't that the truth! And for the poster who misread "well formed" for well informed, that, too. I find that many voters, Catholic or not are not well informed. Proof is the questions I (and other poll workers) get when we are helping them work the machines. How do you form your conscience to Catholic belief if you are not well informed of what the CC teaches and even then of course one would have to go on and believe it. But anyway, inform me on what believing what the CC teaches has to do with voting machines? __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #868   Jul 21, '16, 7:02 pm Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,403 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Does anyone know who is narrating the Trump intro video on now? __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #869   Jul 21, '16, 7:10 pm DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Ivanka is magnificent in her speech! __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #870   Jul 21, '16, 7:19 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY Ivanka is magnificent in her speech! This. Jul 21, '16, 7:22 pm Hoosier Daddy Forum Master Join Date: August 13, 2013 Posts: 12,162 Religion: Still Catholic...... Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY Ivanka is magnificent in her speech! Why oh why is she not running!? Talk about a slam dunk! She should have been vice in my opinion. As long as we are on ozzie's train we should be all in! __________________ --- Better to be slapped with the Truth than kissed with a lie--------- Russian Proverb Hey, Visit my wife's site and buy yourself some spiffy T shirts! http://www.catholic-threads.com/   #872   Jul 21, '16, 7:35 pm Mulligan2 Regular Member Join Date: December 31, 2012 Posts: 1,355 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by kat07 It would have been nice for Ted Cruz to forgive Trump, and keep his word and endorse Trump last night. Cruz made it all about his political intentions and 2020. He went there with no intentions of helping Trump, after Trump went out of his way to try to unite the party and was gracious to invite Cruz to speak. Cruz was selfish last night and in my opinion committed political suicide. Yes, Donald Trump insulted his wife and father, and made a fool of himself for allowing it to happen, but everyone gets insulted and you learn to get over it and move on. As a politician Cruz should know that Trump is better than Hillary. Trump doesn't forgive and last night Cruz showed he's just like Trump. As Christians we are taught to turn the cheek 7 x 70, and soften our hard hearts. Cruz, John Kasich, and Jeb Bush, all Christians, should learn the meaning of forgiveness and the meaning of the "greater good". They should take a page out of Ben Carson's book. They are making this about themselves and not the Country, and it's disappointing to see. I'm not a Ted Cruz fan by any stretch. In fact I find him quite loathsome. However, even though he got booed toward the end of his speech, it is not surprising at all that he didn't endorse Trump. After all, when you have run a scorched earth campaign like Trump has, you cannot realistically expect the other candidates to happily endorse you once the primary is over. On a different topic: in watching Trump's speech tonight, something is clearly lacking. Perhaps he's read from the teleprompter so infrequently that it makes him look awkward.   #873   Jul 21, '16, 7:44 pm Catholic1954 Senior Member Join Date: December 9, 2008 Posts: 6,687 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 Does anyone know who is narrating the Trump intro video on now? I think you mean Jon Voight.   #874   Jul 21, '16, 7:47 pm Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,403 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Catholic1954 I think you mean Jon Voight. Thank you, he sounded familiar. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #875   Jul 21, '16, 8:34 pm gracepoole Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,043 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Hoosier Daddy Why oh why is she not running!? I saw an interview with her earlier in which she spoke about her father. She was so eloquent that made him seem reasonable. She should've been the nominee or she should be an actress.   #876   Jul 21, '16, 8:37 pm Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,403 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Did I miss the part of the speech where he discussed the sanctity of life of the unborn? __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #877   Jul 21, '16, 8:41 pm Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,403 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] I wish I understood why the song "You can't always get what you want." is played as well. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #878   Jul 21, '16, 8:42 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by gracepoole I saw an interview with her earlier in which she spoke about her father. She was so eloquent that made him seem reasonable. She should've been the nominee or she should be an actress. Give her 8 more years, and she might be the nominee. Or Don jr.   #879   Jul 21, '16, 8:46 pm AFerri48 Regular Member Join Date: October 21, 2015 Posts: 894 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 Did I miss the part of the speech where he discussed the sanctity of life of the unborn? He didn't directly mention it, but he said he would appoint Scalia-esque justices to the Supreme Court, and wants to give churches more of a voice.   #880   Jul 21, '16, 8:48 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Great, powerful, inspirational, and well-organized speech by Donald Trump, touching on almost all the important issues and delivered in an appropriately varied logical, emotional, and presidential style that kept one interested. Definitely Trump at his best and most coherent.   #881   Jul 21, '16, 8:55 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Great, powerful speech by Donald Trump, touching on almost all the important issues and delivered in an appropriately and varied logical, emotional, and presidential style that kept one interested. Definitely Trump at his best. Trump even mentioned protecting LGBTQ people from terrorists. But then the Republican platform wants to roll back same-sex marriage and allow reparative/conversion therapy for LGB youth. I think that most LGBTQ people will consider Republicans to be a far greater threat than foreign terrorists.   #882   Jul 21, '16, 8:57 pm Monkey1976 Regular Member Join Date: May 1, 2007 Posts: 2,427 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr Trump even mentioned protecting LGBTQ people from terrorists. But then the Republican platform wants to roll back same-sex marriage and allow reparative/conversion therapy for LGB youth. I think that most LGBTQ people will consider Republicans to be a far greater threat than foreign terrorists. Remind me: How many Republicans shot up gay nightclubs in the past year?   #883   Jul 21, '16, 9:02 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Monkey1976 Remind me: How many Republicans shot up gay nightclubs in the past year? The chance that the average LGBTQ person might have their rights and protections taken away by Republicans is much greater than the chance that they will be killed by a terrorist.   #884   Jul 21, '16, 9:03 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr Trump even mentioned protecting LGBTQ people from terrorists. But then the Republican platform wants to roll back same-sex marriage and allow reparative/conversion therapy for LGB youth. I think that most LGBTQ people will consider Republicans to be a far greater threat than foreign terrorists. When Trump got into the social issues toward the end of his speech, such as Hillary's desire to repeal the Second Amendment (really?) and the appointment of justices with similar values to that of the late Antonin Scalia, it is precisely there that he lost me. Also, his thanking the Evangelical and other religious communities is a turn off, but, I suppose, a political necessity. OTOH, Trump's systematic criticism of Hillary's foreign policy ("let's look at the record") and the corrupt, rigged system, as reflected by the email scandal, I agree with. I would imagine a lot of liberals fear social conservatism more than economic conservatism and foreign policy, and so they are faced with a tough choice, even though they may not view Trump as a true social conservative.   #885   Jul 21, '16, 9:10 pm GaryTaylor Forum Elder Join Date: March 30, 2010 Posts: 26,098 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] In short one has a vague plan and the other a verified failure of a plan. Tough choice. Jul 21, '16, 9:11 pm dixieagle Regular Member Join Date: July 26, 2007 Posts: 4,428 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Great, powerful, inspirational, and well-organized speech by Donald Trump, touching on almost all the important issues and delivered in an appropriately varied logical, emotional, and presidential style that kept one interested. Definitely Trump at his best and most coherent. I've got to disagree with you (and I usually don't.) I found this a dark, pessimistic, divisive speech that didn't serve to bring anyone into the Republican camp, and likely helped Hillary. He made it sound as if there are bands of murderous, marauding immigrants that have contributed to a skyrocketing crime rate, when, in fact, crime has steadily dropped nationally. __________________ "A Boston College Eagle in the DEEP south" My blog: http://www.achattycatholic.com   #887   Jul 21, '16, 9:11 pm _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,523 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Great, powerful, inspirational, and well-organized speech by Donald Trump, touching on almost all the important issues and delivered in an appropriately varied logical, emotional, and presidential style that kept one interested. Definitely Trump at his best and most coherent. That's a really positive review! I really liked the intro video that came before Ivanka Trump, it was really interesting to find out the background of the Trump family and Ivanka Trump gave a great, well meaning speech for her father, and various parts of it seemed to to directly try to appeal to female voters, about child care and pay. The stuff about child care for instance, seems to be something you may hear more from typically from Democrats? Well, now there is the candidate's daughter on stage talking about it, and also how she'll be at his side, it's pretty significant. I heard Rudy Giuliani say on Fox News that this between the "insider and the outsider" - and that is the choice people are going to have to make. It's either a consummate insider who's been on the inside of politics for decades or an outsider, someone that has made political donations, but has never been involved on the inside of politics like Hillary Clinton, until he (Trump) decided to run last year. __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org   #888   Jul 21, '16, 9:16 pm Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,403 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by dixieagle I've got to disagree with you (and I usually don't.) I found this a dark, pessimistic, divisive speech that didn't serve to bring anyone into the Republican camp, and likely helped Hillary. He made it sound as if there are bands of murderous, marauding immigrants that have contributed to a skyrocketing crime rate, when, in fact, crime has steadily dropped nationally. I agree. But it was much more organized than his usual stream of thought speeches. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #889   Jul 21, '16, 9:18 pm _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,523 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by dixieagle I've got to disagree with you (and I usually don't.) I found this a dark, pessimistic, divisive speech that didn't serve to bring anyone into the Republican camp, and likely helped Hillary. He made it sound as if there are bands of murderous, marauding immigrants that have contributed to a skyrocketing crime rate, when, in fact, crime has steadily dropped nationally. It was dark in parts but certain things were just stating the reality of what's going on in America, the crime in inner cities, the terrorism. He wants to stop and defeat those things, so he's going to talk about it, just like he has during his primary run. But he also talked about policy, school choice, energy, trade etc. That wasn't dark. __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org   #890   Jul 21, '16, 9:25 pm Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,030 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by dixieagle I've got to disagree with you (and I usually don't.) I found this a dark, pessimistic, divisive speech that didn't serve to bring anyone into the Republican camp, and likely helped Hillary. He made it sound as if there are bands of murderous, marauding immigrants that have contributed to a skyrocketing crime rate, when, in fact, crime has steadily dropped nationally. I totally agree with everything you said here. Plus I found it to be VERY shouty and a bit meandering. One second he was talking about Obamacare and then the next TSA. But I thought CNN's John King said it best. Give him OH. Even give him PA if you want. Although King said that one might be tougher as Republicans have been trying for PA for yrs. Then I thought King nailed it when he said, We might as well camp out in FL. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #891   Jul 21, '16, 9:26 pm AFerri48 Regular Member Join Date: October 21, 2015 Posts: 894 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia It was dark in parts but certain things were just stating the reality of what's going on in America, the crime in inner cities, the terrorism. He wants to stop and defeat those things, so he's going to talk about it, just like he has during his primary run. But he also talked about policy, school choice, energy, trade etc. That wasn't dark. Pretty much. The president needs to be willing to speak the truth about matters and not sugarcoat serious problems.   #892   Jul 21, '16, 9:27 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy OTOH, Trump's systematic criticism of Hillary's foreign policy ("let's look at the record") and the corrupt, rigged system, as reflected by the email scandal, I agree with. He blamed more of what's happening in the Middle East on her than what is realistic. After all, she was just Secretary of State, which basically means that she was our top diplomat. But she was not solely responsible for all our policies in the Middle East. Many other people in the State Department, the military, the National Security Council, President Obama, our intelligence agencies, the Secretary of Defense, our NATO allies (Britain, France, Germany), etc. were also involved. He makes her sound far more powerful than she was in reality. Also, many people here in CAF have an inflated impression of the ability of the US to project its power into the Middle East and control what's going on there. We weren't even able to control and fix all the problems in Iraq, so how could anyone imagine that we can control and fix what's going on in the whole Middle East? Trump said in his speech that "Egypt was turned over to the radical Muslim brotherhood". But the Muslim Brotherhood won an election there. What right did we have to tell the people of Egypt who they can elect? Trump already just said yesterday when asked about whether we should criticize Erdogan in Turkey for his purges: Quote: I think right now when it comes to civil liberties, our country has a lot of problems, and I think it’s very hard for us to get involved in other countries when we don’t know what we are doing and we can’t see straight in our own country. We have tremendous problems when you have policemen being shot in the streets, when you have riots, when you have Ferguson. When you have Baltimore. When you have all of the things that are happening in this country — we have other problems, and I think we have to focus on those problems. When the world looks at how bad the United States is, and then we go and talk about civil liberties, I don’t think we’re a very good messenger.   #893   Jul 21, '16, 9:28 pm GaryTaylor Forum Elder Join Date: March 30, 2010 Posts: 26,098 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia I really liked the intro video that came before Ivanka Trump, it was really interesting to find out the background of the Trump family and Ivanka Trump gave a great, well meaning speech for her father, The video was very informative and well done. Both these campaigns really need to drop the smear campaigns as they are quite destructive. Ivankas speech was much better than her last. Much better command of the floor. I didn't expect that quick of a learning curve.   #894   Jul 21, '16, 9:30 pm _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,523 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by AFerri48 Pretty much. The president needs to be willing to speak the truth about matters and not sugarcoat serious problems. I saw a clip of Paul Manafort, Trump's campaign manager, on a clip on Twitter of him on CNN referencing this tweet: "For everyone saying this speech is "too dark", remember - 69% of the nation thinks the USA is on the wrong track. Many will agree w Trump." https://twitter.com/arifleischer/sta...28255188246528 Why do 69% think America is on the wrong track? Could much it be because of the things Trump mentioned? I suspect so. So people can call the speech "dark" and they are entitled to to that, but many Americans are not happy with the direction America is going in, and Trump's speech likely reflected the concerns of many Americans who are worried over the direction America is going in. __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org   #895   Jul 21, '16, 9:31 pm Songcatcher Junior Member Join Date: August 13, 2015 Posts: 447 Religion: Lutheran/RCIA Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by dixieagle I've got to disagree with you (and I usually don't.) I found this a dark, pessimistic, divisive speech that didn't serve to bring anyone into the Republican camp, and likely helped Hillary. He made it sound as if there are bands of murderous, marauding immigrants that have contributed to a skyrocketing crime rate, when, in fact, crime has steadily dropped nationally. I totally agree, dixieagle. I thought it was dark and ugly and LOUD. He shouted throughout the entire speech. They should have stopped at Ivanka. Nicole Wallace, communications director for Bush '43, said the Republican party she loved, died tonight. Anna Navarro on CNN said she is getting texts from GOP congressmen saying they are embarrassed to be republicans. I was flipping channels and most people, except the Trump spokespeople, were saying it was bad. I thought there was going to be a fistfight on CNN.   #896   Jul 21, '16, 9:32 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr He blamed more of what's happening in the Middle East on her than what is realistic. After all, she was just Secretary of State, which basically means that she was our top diplomat. But she was not solely responsible for all our policies in the Middle East. Many other people in the State Department, the military, the National Security Council, President Obama, our intelligence agencies, the Secretary of Defense, our NATO allies (Britain, France, Germany), etc. were also involved. He makes her sound far more powerful than she was in reality. Also, many people here in CAF have an inflated impression of the ability of the US to project its power into the Middle East and control what's going on there. We weren't even able to control and fix all the problems in Iraq, so how could anyone imagine that we can control and fix what's going on in the whole Middle East? Trump said in his speech that "Egypt was turned over to the radical Muslim brotherhood". But the Muslim Brotherhood won an election there. What right did we have to tell the people of Egypt who they can elect? He already just said yesterday when asked about whether we should criticize Erdogan in Turkey for his purges: You are probably right: there were several other agents involved in our foreign policy. However, whatever control Hillary Clinton DID have with regard to Middle Eastern policy displayed her poor judgment.   #897   Jul 21, '16, 9:33 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by GaryTaylor In short one has a vague plan and the other a verified failure of a plan. Tough choice. Trump makes a lot of promises that he knows he can't deliver on and he's promised to do them right away and very fast just as soon as he's sworn into office. But we do have two other branches of government that he will have to deal with.   #898   Jul 21, '16, 9:35 pm Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,030 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr Trump even mentioned protecting LGBTQ people from terrorists. But then the Republican platform wants to roll back same-sex marriage and allow reparative/conversion therapy for LGB youth. I think that most LGBTQ people will consider Republicans to be a far greater threat than foreign terrorists. Thorolfr, when he brought up LGBTQ, I sat there thinking the exact same thing. I thought do you even have a clue what your party stands for when it comes to LGBTQ rights. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #899   Jul 21, '16, 9:35 pm GaryTaylor Forum Elder Join Date: March 30, 2010 Posts: 26,098 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr Trump makes a lot of promises that he knows he can't deliver on and he's promised to do them right away and very fast just as soon as he's sworn into office. But we do have two other branches of government that he will have to deal with. So you say but thats an opinion. The other side a verified failure of a plan in fact a disaster.. Tough choice.   #900   Jul 21, '16, 9:36 pm _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,523 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Songcatcher I totally agree, dixieagle. I thought it was dark and ugly and LOUD. He shouted throughout the entire speech. They should have stopped at Ivanka. Nicole Wallace, communications director for Bush '43, said the Republican party she loved, died tonight. Anna Navarro on CNN said she is getting texts from GOP congressmen saying they are embarrassed to be republicans. I was flipping channels and most people, except the Trump spokespeople, were saying it was bad. I thought there was going to be a fistfight on CNN. Anna Navarro is not exactly a supporter of Donald Trump, is she? In fact, isn't she quite a critic of Donald Trump? How many of those "GOP Congressman" were not supporters of Trump before he even walked on that stage to give a speech? On Fox News, Rudy Giuliani said it was the best speech he'd ever heard from the nominee, so a supporter can view it very differently from somebody that probably isn't in the case of Anna Navarro and probably the people that contacted her. __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org Jul 21, '16, 9:38 pm Expatreprocedit Regular Member Join Date: February 24, 2014 Posts: 1,162 Religion: Orthodox Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr Also, many people here in CAF have an inflated impression of the ability of the US to project its power into the Middle East and control what's going on there. We weren't even able to control and fix all the problems in Iraq, so how could anyone imagine that we can control and fix what's going on in the whole Middle East? Trump said in his speech that "Egypt was turned over to the radical Muslim brotherhood". But the Muslim Brotherhood won an election there. What right did we have to tell the people of Egypt who they can elect? Trump already just said yesterday when asked about whether we should criticize Erdogan in Turkey for his purges: I don't get how many American Catholic and Orthodox Christians can buy into American messianism. They really think that we are the apogee of civilization, that we are appointed by God to save the world.   #902   Jul 21, '16, 9:39 pm Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,030 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr Trump makes a lot of promises that he knows he can't deliver on and he's promised to do them right away and very fast just as soon as he's sworn into office. But we do have two other branches of government that he will have to deal with. I actually found his delivery scary in that regard. Almost dictator-esque. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #903   Jul 21, '16, 9:41 pm _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,523 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by GaryTaylor The video was very informative and well done. Both these campaigns really need to drop the smear campaigns as they are quite destructive. Ivankas speech was much better than her last. Much better command of the floor. I didn't expect that quick of a learning curve. When did she make a prior speech? __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org   #904   Jul 21, '16, 9:41 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe I actually found his delivery scary in that regard. Almost dictator-esque. Me, too. And Republicans keep bashing Obama for overstepping his authority with executive orders but apparently wouldn't mind if Trump does it.   #905   Jul 21, '16, 9:47 pm Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,030 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Songcatcher I totally agree, dixieagle. I thought it was dark and ugly and LOUD. He shouted throughout the entire speech. They should have stopped at Ivanka. Nicole Wallace, communications director for Bush '43, said the Republican party she loved, died tonight. Anna Navarro on CNN said she is getting texts from GOP congressmen saying they are embarrassed to be republicans. I was flipping channels and most people, except the Trump spokespeople, were saying it was bad. I thought there was going to be a fistfight on CNN. VERY LOUD, Songcatcher. And it seemed a bit longish to me. But that may have just been the delivery. I have no idea what a typical acceptance speech runs. I often flip as well. But tonight I watched CNN. I figured of the 3 big cable news networks, it might be where I'd get the most balance. But poor Ana. I felt bad for her. She was so disappointed in the tone and very distrought I thought. And Van Jones. But I agree only Jeffrey Lord and that fired campaign guy Corey were keen on it. No doubt I imagine it played well to his base. But others kept saying he did nothing to broaden the base to win a general election. I thought it was quite a missed opportunity. I guess he still has the fall debates. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #906   Jul 21, '16, 9:50 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe VERY LOUD, Songcatcher. And it seemed a bit longish to me. The people at ABC said that it was 75 minutes, one of the longest nomination speeches ever, and very loud, especially for the people in the stadium.   #907   Jul 21, '16, 9:54 pm Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,030 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr The people at ABC said that it was 75 minutes, one of the longest nomination speeches ever, and very loud, especially for the people in the stadium. Oh I'm glad to know that it wasn't just my imagination. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #908   Jul 21, '16, 9:59 pm AFerri48 Regular Member Join Date: October 21, 2015 Posts: 894 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] I guess it would be better to just say that everything is amazing and that the world is a utopia with no problems whatsoever, because speaking the truth is too dark.   #909   Jul 21, '16, 10:00 pm _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,523 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] "75% of viewers had a positive reaction to Trump's speech according to just released CNN poll." - https://twitter.com/claytravis/statu...50270418870272 CNN did a poll with the question asking about reaction to the speech Trump gave, and the reaction was "VERY POSITIVE 57%" "SOMEWHAT POSITIVE 18%" and "NEGATIVE EFFECT 24%" "CNN Instant poll-56% of people are more likely to vote for Donald Trump compared to 10% who are less likely to vote for him." https://twitter.com/nbnylemagazine/s...52183457746944 __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org   #910   Jul 21, '16, 10:04 pm dixieagle Regular Member Join Date: July 26, 2007 Posts: 4,428 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 I agree. But it was much more organized than his usual stream of thought speeches. That's true; it must have been almost impossible for him to stay on topic. __________________ "A Boston College Eagle in the DEEP south" My blog: http://www.achattycatholic.com   #911   Jul 21, '16, 10:06 pm Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,030 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by AFerri48 I guess it would be better to just say that everything is amazing and that the world is a utopia with no problems whatsoever, because speaking the truth is too dark. No one is saying everything is amazingly a utopia. But it would have been nice if he hadn't exaggerated the doom and gloom and fear tactics. As another poster pointed out, the crime rate has been in decline. Maybe he was just too focused on events of the last 6 wks. I'm wondering if we don't have a terror attack in the next 3 1/2 mos if this speech will really matter much by then. Hopefully no one hopes for that. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #912   Jul 21, '16, 10:07 pm dixieagle Regular Member Join Date: July 26, 2007 Posts: 4,428 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Songcatcher I totally agree, dixieagle. I thought it was dark and ugly and LOUD. He shouted throughout the entire speech. They should have stopped at Ivanka. Nicole Wallace, communications director for Bush '43, said the Republican party she loved, died tonight. Anna Navarro on CNN said she is getting texts from GOP congressmen saying they are embarrassed to be republicans. I was flipping channels and most people, except the Trump spokespeople, were saying it was bad. I thought there was going to be a fistfight on CNN. I was waiting for Ana Navarro to pop Lewandowski or the other Trump guy. __________________ "A Boston College Eagle in the DEEP south" My blog: http://www.achattycatholic.com   #913   Jul 21, '16, 10:09 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia Anna Navarro is not exactly a supporter of Donald Trump, is she? In fact, isn't she quite a critic of Donald Trump? How many of those "GOP Congressman" were not supporters of Trump before he even walked on that stage to give a speech? On Fox News, Rudy Giuliani said it was the best speech he'd ever heard from the nominee, so a supporter can view it very differently from somebody that probably isn't in the case of Anna Navarro and probably the people that contacted her. I'm not exactly a supporter of Trump's either and I don't agree with everything he said. But let's be fair and take partisanship and preconceived expectations about Trump out of it. The speech was a GREAT one, very well put together, very well delivered, thorough, interesting, not dark and not loud. My opinion, of course.   #914   Jul 21, '16, 10:10 pm AFerri48 Regular Member Join Date: October 21, 2015 Posts: 894 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe No one is saying everything is amazingly a utopia. But it would have been nice if he hadn't exaggerated the doom and gloom and fear tactics. As another poster pointed out, the crime rate has been in decline. Maybe he was just too focused on events of the last 6 wks. I'm wondering if we don't have a terror attack in the next 3 1/2 mos if this speech will really matter much by then. Hopefully no one hopes for that. Cops are being shot at an accelerated rate right now, terrorism is reaching extreme levels, the national debt is almost at 20 trillion, the country is very divided, illegal immigrants are coming in rapidly, among other things.   #915   Jul 21, '16, 10:11 pm Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,030 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by dixieagle I was waiting for Ana Navarro to pop Lewandowski or the other Trump guy. I know. Jeffrey Lord. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   Jul 21, '16, 10:14 pm Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,030 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by AFerri48 Cops are being shot at an accelerated rate right now, terrorism is reaching extreme levels, the national debt is almost at 20 trillion, the country is very divided, illegal immigrants are coming in rapidly, among other things. Did he mention the incident in Miami that just occurred where the police officer shot an unarmed black man lying on the ground with his hands up in the air? Did he cite any good thing that an undocumented immigrant has done? If so I missed it. But yes the country is divided that's for sure. I'm actually not sure though that will change regardless of which of these candidates wins. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #917   Jul 21, '16, 10:24 pm Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,030 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy I'm not exactly a supporter of Trump's either and I don't agree with everything he said. But let's be fair and take partisanship and preconceived expectations about Trump out of it. The speech was a GREAT one, very well put together, very well delivered, thorough, interesting, not dark and not loud. My opinion, of course. Yep MB, like Dixieagle said, we sure saw the speech differently and have different opinions on it. But as has been pointed out so did some Republicans such as Ana Navaro and others. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #918   Jul 21, '16, 10:30 pm Expatreprocedit Regular Member Join Date: February 24, 2014 Posts: 1,162 Religion: Orthodox Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] I agreed with some of the general goals in the speech, but Trump came across too angry. At some points he was practically screaming. He needed to mop his face with a handkerchief once in awhile. I think he revved up the GOP troops and may have brought a few disenchanted conservatives back, but I don't think he won over a great deal of independents and moderate Dems like he needs to do. But he did come across as very sincere.   #919   Jul 21, '16, 10:32 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Expatreprocedit I agreed with some of the general goals in the speech, but Trump came across too angry. At some points he was practically screaming. He needed to mop his face with a handkerchief once in awhile. I think he revved up the GOP troops and may have brought a few disenchanted conservatives back, but I don't think he won over a great deal of independents and moderate Dems like he needs to do. But he did come across as very sincere. Not only did he come across as sincere, but, just as important, the candidate of change rather than the candidate who represents the status quo.   #920   Jul 21, '16, 10:34 pm Expatreprocedit Regular Member Join Date: February 24, 2014 Posts: 1,162 Religion: Orthodox Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Not only did he come across as sincere, but, just as important, the candidate of change rather than the candidate who represents the status quo. There's no doubt about that.   #921   Jul 21, '16, 11:36 pm Hoosier Daddy Forum Master Join Date: August 13, 2013 Posts: 12,162 Religion: Still Catholic...... Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Not only did he come across as sincere, but, just as important, the candidate of change rather than the candidate who represents the status quo. I absolutely loved it! I was proud. I was happy with his persona tonight. As for the yelling. I guess no one has ever heard Hillary talk.... __________________ --- Better to be slapped with the Truth than kissed with a lie--------- Russian Proverb Hey, Visit my wife's site and buy yourself some spiffy T shirts! http://www.catholic-threads.com/   #922   Jul 21, '16, 11:50 pm bekalc Regular Member Join Date: June 17, 2005 Posts: 970 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia Anna Navarro is not exactly a supporter of Donald Trump, is she? In fact, isn't she quite a critic of Donald Trump? How many of those "GOP Congressman" were not supporters of Trump before he even walked on that stage to give a speech? On Fox News, Rudy Giuliani said it was the best speech he'd ever heard from the nominee, so a supporter can view it very differently from somebody that probably isn't in the case of Anna Navarro and probably the people that contacted her. Anna Navarro is a long time Republican and a Hispanic one. So the fact that he made a Republican that upset says something. Its like Trump is trying to make it a white people only party.   #923   Jul 22, '16, 1:39 am Vouthon Senior Member Join Date: November 1, 2010 Posts: 7,140 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Apparently Mr Trump intends to disband NATO and refuse to protect allied countries in Eastern Europe that are threatened by Russian aggression. And at the same time he praises the Erdogan regime in Turkey; right when Erdogan is transforming that nation into a dictatorial, Islamist state in the aftermath of a failed coup d'etat. I wonder if the USA has ever had a more dangerous individual run for the presidency. Even Nigel Farage finds him objectionable, while Boris Johnson says that he is hesitant to visit New York for fear of encountering Trump. And their both Brexiteers. Amazing. One of the few things we can all agree on over here is Trump. Oh and Melania seems to be quite the plagiarist, of Mrs. Obama of all people .. __________________ With insight into the futility of narrow nationalistic politics, the countries of Europe which have agreed to delegate sovereignty to a supranational organism have embarked on a salutary way - Pope Pius XII (1957)   #924   Jul 22, '16, 1:45 am Murmurs Regular Member Join Date: June 23, 2014 Posts: 1,045 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Vouthon Apparently Mr Trump intends to disband NATO and refuse to protect allied countries in Eastern Europe that are threatened by Russian aggression. And at the same time he praises the Erdogan regime in Turkey; right when Erdogan is transforming that nation into a dictatorial, Islamist state in the aftermath of a failed coup d'etat. I wonder if the USA has ever had a more dangerous individual run for the presidency. I think Hearst tried to get the Democratic nomination in 1904 (who was as anti-British and anti-French as he was anti-Russian and anti-Japanese). But I don't think his entire campaign was built on hatred. Trump though I think is way more dangerous for his narcissism than his foreign policy (which seems to have all the consistency of blancmange anyway). __________________ "Where else have we ever seen someone who has been offended, voluntarily paying out his life for those who have offended him?" - St. Catherine of Siena   #925   Jul 22, '16, 2:02 am Vouthon Senior Member Join Date: November 1, 2010 Posts: 7,140 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Murmurs I think Hearst tried to get the Democratic nomination in 1904 (who was as anti-British and anti-French as he was anti-Russian and anti-Japanese). But I don't think his entire campaign was built on hatred. Trump though I think is way more dangerous for his narcissism than his foreign policy (which seems to have all the consistency of blancmange anyway). Good point, he has an almost infinite hubris about him. The worrying thing is that, as a longstanding media personality and mogul, he "knows the crowd" and how to work it. He - or his advisers, or both - appear to be expert at playing upon people's worst fears and prejudices, while giving them objects to latch these emotions onto and thus form simplistic 'right and wrong'/'black and white' narratives that enable them to make sense of their distress. It would seem that he is quite effective at convincing a scared population to imagine him as president. That's frightening. __________________ With insight into the futility of narrow nationalistic politics, the countries of Europe which have agreed to delegate sovereignty to a supranational organism have embarked on a salutary way - Pope Pius XII (1957)   #926   Jul 22, '16, 2:11 am _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,523 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by bekalc Anna Navarro is a long time Republican and a Hispanic one. So the fact that he made a Republican that upset says something. Its like Trump is trying to make it a white people only party. There is no doubt, not every Republican wanted Trump to be the nominee, but then whoever the Republican nominee is, aren't there going to be people in their own party who are critical of the nominee? How is Trump trying to make a "white only party?" Pastor Burns, who is African American and who I believe has been across America at campaign rallies with Trump, and he spoke at the RNC, has said, "I know what real racism looks like. It's not Donald Trump." __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org   #927   Jul 22, '16, 4:37 am estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] It was a great speech and evidently scared the hell out of the Democrats. We are seeing the usual charges of racism with a sprinkling of the current Democrat talking point that Trump is Hitler reincarnated . He stayed on message and covered in great detail what is wrong with this country and what he proposes to do about it .   #928   Jul 22, '16, 4:42 am estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia There is no doubt, not every Republican wanted Trump to be the nominee, but then whoever the Republican nominee is, aren't there going to be people in their own party who are critical of the nominee? How is Trump trying to make a "white only party?" Pastor Burns, who is African American and who I believe has been across America at campaign rallies with Trump, and he spoke at the RNC, has said, "I know what real racism looks like. It's not Donald Trump." The Democrat Party is obsessed with race. It appears the new Democratic Party game has been taking magnifying glass to pictures of the crowd at the convention and counting how many "people of color" are there . They will then proudly proclaim how many more minorities are at their convention ignoring the fact that diversity is forced on their state delegations with intricate rules about what races and sexual behaviors MUST be included in the delegation.   #929   Jul 22, '16, 4:49 am DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob It was a great speech and evidently scared the hell out of the Democrats. We are seeing the usual charges of racism with a sprinkling of the current Democrat talking point that Trump is Hitler reincarnated . He stayed on message and covered in great detail what is wrong with this country and what he proposes to do about it . Listening to the speech last night, I wasn't convinced that it was "great" (his style just isn't one that appeals to me personally). But upon seeing the reactions, I think he got the job done. I once heard someone say "if want to make a democrat squeal like a stuck pig, just tell him the truth". I think there's some squealing this morning! __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #930   Jul 22, '16, 4:50 am Maximilan Kolbe Banned Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob The Democrat Party is obsessed with race. It appears the new Democratic Party game has been taking magnifying glass to pictures of the crowd at the convention and counting how many "people of color" are there . They will then proudly proclaim how many more minorities are at their convention ignoring the fact that diversity is forced on their state delegations with intricate rules about what races and sexual behaviors MUST be included in the delegation.*** Edited for accuracy, Bob. ***Pro-life Democrats and any mention of God, notwithstanding Jul 22, '16, 6:23 am mary bobo Veteran Member Forum Supporter   Join Date: May 19, 2005 Posts: 10,618 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 Did anyone want to touch on this? I'm not understanding the rationale of playing this particular song. It seems an odd choice. I'll touch on it. Who pays attention to background music or who knows what it is? __________________ Praying for all CAF intentions.   #947   Jul 22, '16, 6:28 am mary bobo Veteran Member Forum Supporter   Join Date: May 19, 2005 Posts: 10,618 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Not only did he come across as sincere, but, just as important, the candidate of change rather than the candidate who represents the status quo. High praise coming from a Bernie supporter. I always admire people who can see both sides of a coin. __________________ Praying for all CAF intentions.   #948   Jul 22, '16, 6:28 am randomuser Regular Member   Join Date: August 27, 2013 Posts: 2,185 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Trump gives a shout out to the homosexual agenda, yet he said nothing about the unborn? Anyone listening to that speech would have no clue he's supposed to be "pro-life."   #949   Jul 22, '16, 6:36 am karow Regular Member   Join Date: March 9, 2011 Posts: 989 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] The gist of Trump's speech: Donald Trump is running to be an autocratic strongman because he lacks the knowledge and the competence to rule by good governance. He does not have the temperament to engage in the nuance, finesse, and diplomacy required by the decent stewardship of a free country. He promises freedom and prosperity, speaking in the language of a populist, but, like so many despots who employ the same chicanery, he is not a man of the people. He is merely a human fist who wants to use the power of the American government as the force behind his tightly closed hand.   #950   Jul 22, '16, 6:38 am Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder   Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,403 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by mary bobo I'll touch on it. Who pays attention to background music or who knows what it is? So it makes no difference? It's a theme song, I'm sure they didn't just turn on Pandora radio and played the first song. The phrase "You Can't Always Get What You Want" is ironic. At least I find it so. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #951   Jul 22, '16, 6:41 am Cider Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2007 Posts: 4,817 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv TelePrompTer made a difference but the passion and solutions are the same. Trump used a great speech writer Stephen miller, former aid to senator Jeff sessions, who also has appeared in many of trumps rallies. Very bright young man. Well it was nice for once he wasn't joking about hecklers being beat up and dragged out on stretchers. And he wasn't nearly as repetitive as he has been.   #952   Jul 22, '16, 6:42 am queenofheartscv Regular Member   Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by karow The gist of Trump's speech: Donald Trump is running to be an autocratic strongman because he lacks the knowledge and the competence to rule by good governance. He does not have the temperament to engage in the nuance, finesse, and diplomacy required by the decent stewardship of a free country. He promises freedom and prosperity, speaking in the language of a populist, but, like so many despots who employ the same chicanery, he is not a man of the people. He is merely a human fist who wants to use the power of the American government as the force behind his tightly closed hand. You mean trump doesn't have the nuance, finesse, diplomacy to ignore safety requests of our embassy in Benghazi, to blame terrorist act against Americans on a video and lie to american families about it, to compromise national security info on a private server in somebody's closet in violation of laws, and then not get in trouble for any of it?   #953   Jul 22, '16, 6:43 am Cider Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2007 Posts: 4,817 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by tomarin There was an article in the New York Times yesterday that placed him in a long line of non-ideological outsider 'folk heroes' that occasionally run for president, are often generals or business moguls and include Ross Perot and General Douglas MacArthur. I'm not old enough to have personally experienced MacArthur and I didn't quite get the appeal of Perot but I agree that there's something particularly disturbing about Trump's blend of narcissism, ignorance and wrongheadedness. Trump is no Perot. I voted for Perot. Perot wasn't a loud mouthed name caller who took every disagreement as a personal attack.   #954   Jul 22, '16, 6:45 am queenofheartscv Regular Member   Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Cider Well it was nice for once he wasn't joking about hecklers being beat up and dragged out on stretchers. And he wasn't nearly as repetitive as he has been. Definitely. It's hard to speak extemporaneously for long periods at a time. It's easier to use a promoter and not repeat yourself so much. But it's also a good thing to have the courage and wherewithal to just stand up and talk. Trump connected with many people that way in his rallies.   #955   Jul 22, '16, 6:53 am Good Tidings Regular Member   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1,690 Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 So it makes no difference? It's a theme song, I'm sure they didn't just turn on Pandora radio and played the first song. The phrase "You Can't Always Get What You Want" is ironic. At least I find it so. To say it's ironic is an understatement. Usually, much thought is put into music since it gives a subliminal message. A Brief History of Campaign Songs Whether it's Stevie Wonder or Tippecanoe and Tyler, Too — You can't run for President without some catchy theme music • http://content.time.com/time/special...840981,00.html http://www.nbcnews.com/id/16949607/n.../#.V5IkkfkrKM8   #956   Jul 22, '16, 6:53 am 10gr8kids Regular Member   Join Date: November 28, 2011 Posts: 1,489 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by randomuser Trump gives a shout out to the homosexual agenda, yet he said nothing about the unborn? Anyone listening to that speech would have no clue he's supposed to be "pro-life." Here is a really good article about our politicians. I think this priest is spot on in his analysis. http://www.catholicculture.org/comme...tn.cfm?id=1167. Quote: How then are we to understand the differences between Democrats and Republicans with respect to the abortion “issue”? Perhaps a summer cookout metaphor would help: hamburgers versus the salt and pepper. Democrats view the abortion “issue” as their hamburger. It is the outward sign of their social agenda, which includes “gay rights” and most forms of “sex on demand.” When any “omnibus” legislation is introduced, if it includes any legislative piece that restricts abortion in any way, it has no hope of advancement if the Democrats control the Senate, the House, or the Executive branch. Democrat control of even one of these branches guarantees failure in advancing significant pro-life legislation. The December Ryan Budget included funding for Planned Parenthood because the Republicans knew that the Democrats would “shut down the government” in defense of the funding-– and blame the Republicans for intransigence. Even when the Republicans hold all three branches of government, experience shows that the introduction of significant pro-life legislation guarantees gridlock with charges of a Republican “war on women.” As a consequence, the Republicans generally cave without a fight. Democrats will not give up their pro-abortion “hamburger” without a lot of kicking and screaming. The Republicans, on the other hand, are generally “pro-life.” The majority are probably nominally pro-life, with a distinct and praiseworthy minority of Republicans fiercely pro-life. (You need no Google search to come up with a quick half-dozen solidly pro-life Republican names.) So why do Republicans in the main fail to advance significant pro-life legislation? The reason is that the Republicans as a body consider the pro-life “issue” as mere “salt and pepper” to their “hamburger” issues of tax cuts, foreign policy, and free trade. This explains why Republican candidates-– especially Presidential candidates-- have postured as pro-life politicians, obtained the pro-life votes, and then failed to deliver. When it comes to jeopardizing their “hamburger” tax cut and foreign policy legislation-– when faced with charges of their alleged “war on women”-– they’re willing to go without the pro-life salt and pepper. As a result, when principled pro-life constituents vote they feel like Charlie Brown felt when Lucy was holding the football. He goes on to talk about how he sees this years election and the importance of the future USSC nominees. It is very disheartening to have to vote for someone you don't believe cares about the issues that are the most damaging to our country, but at least we can hope Trump will appoint conservative judges to the SC. We know that Hilary would not. This is the only reason I might be able to hold my nose and vote for Trump. __________________ "I know the plans I have for you," declares the Lord, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future." Jerimiah 29:11 Last edited by 10gr8kids; Jul 22, '16 at 7:07 am.   #957   Jul 22, '16, 6:55 am tomarin Senior Member   Join Date: April 25, 2007 Posts: 7,538 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Cider Trump is no Perot. I voted for Perot. Perot wasn't a loud mouthed name caller who took every disagreement as a personal attack. Perot wasn't a bully, no, but like Trump he was a folksy outsider candidate. __________________ If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand wither, let my tongue cleave to my palate if I do not remember you -- Psalm 137   #958   Jul 22, '16, 7:00 am stinkcat_14 Veteran Member   Join Date: June 26, 2005 Posts: 10,555 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by mary bobo High praise coming from a Bernie supporter. I always admire people who can see both sides of a coin. The one thing I have always found with meltzerboy's posts is that they are always thought out and never knee jerk.   #959   Jul 22, '16, 7:03 am tomarin Senior Member   Join Date: April 25, 2007 Posts: 7,538 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings To say it's ironic is an understatement. Usually, much thought is put into music since it gives a subliminal message. A Brief History of Campaign Songs Whether it's Stevie Wonder or Tippecanoe and Tyler, Too — You can't run for President without some catchy theme music • http://content.time.com/time/special...840981,00.html http://www.nbcnews.com/id/16949607/n.../#.V5IkkfkrKM8 Just as one presumes some thought goes into the music used in a television or radio commercial, because music is basically manipulative, and the point of a commercial is to persuade the viewer to buy something. And in the era of television the party convention can be seen as one long commercial. __________________ If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand wither, let my tongue cleave to my palate if I do not remember you -- Psalm 137   #960   Jul 22, '16, 7:04 am Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder   Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,403 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by 10gr8kids Here is a really good article about our politicians. I think this priest is spot on in his analysis. http://www.catholicculture.org/comme...tn.cfm?id=1167. It is very disheartening to have to vote for someone you don't believe cares about the issues that are the most damaging to our country, but at least we can hope Trump will appoint conservative judges to the SC. We know that Hilary would not. This is the only reason I might be able to hold my nose and vote for Trump. I'm disheartened as well. I don't trust him to appoint good judges. I don't live in a swing state, and the only time in the last 40 years or so that my state voted republican, was for Reagan in 1984. Mondale that year got one state. The primaries showed that Trump received fewer votes than even Bernie by 250,000. The combined Republican votes were only a fraction of the combined Democrat vote. So, I honestly feel voting for Trump on my part will only cause me to vote against my conscience. I really wish it was different. I'm probably more moderate except for the life issues. But I would have voted for Cruz. I thought his speech was very good, very well presented. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth. Jul 22, '16, 7:05 am Maximilan Kolbe Banned   Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Vouthon I wonder if the USA has ever had a more dangerous individual run for the presidency. You do realize many actual Americans feel like we already elected him twice in 2008 and 2012? I think the damage done by Obama is greater than any President ever, and see nothing in Trump to indicate we will set a new record for damage two Presidents in a row. Non-Americans are always welcome to their opinions of our politicians, but their perspective is so different than American citizens that there will always be disconnects in terms of "who could like this person?"   #962   Jul 22, '16, 7:07 am tomarin Senior Member   Join Date: April 25, 2007 Posts: 7,538 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by 10gr8kids Here is a really good article about our politicians. I think this priest is spot on in his analysis. http://www.catholicculture.org/comme...tn.cfm?id=1167. It is very disheartening to have to vote for someone you don't believe cares about the issues that are the most damaging to our country, but at least we can hope Trump will appoint conservative judges to the SC. We know that Hilary would not. This is the only reason I might be able to hold my nose and vote for Trump. I'm surprised that so many people think this mercurial, quixotic figure can be expected to keep his promises. Once he is elected he won't be beholden to anyone, certainly not to the religious wing of the party he hijacked so completely. __________________ If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand wither, let my tongue cleave to my palate if I do not remember you -- Psalm 137   #963   Jul 22, '16, 7:09 am Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder   Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,403 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by tomarin I'm surprised that so many people think this mercurial, quixotic figure can be expected to keep his promises. Once he is elected he won't be beholden to anyone, certainly not to the religious wing of the party he hijacked so completely. I agree. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #964   Jul 22, '16, 7:09 am DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Maximilan Kolbe You do realize many actual Americans feel like we already elected him twice in 2008 and 2012? I think the damage done by Obama is greater than any President ever, and see nothing in Trump to indicate we will set a new record for damage two Presidents in a row. Non-Americans are always welcome to their opinions of our politicians, but their perspective is so different than American citizens that there will always be disconnects in terms of "who could like this person?" __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #965   Jul 22, '16, 7:12 am Maximilan Kolbe Banned   Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by tomarin I'm surprised that so many people think this mercurial, quixotic figure can be expected to keep his promises. Once he is elected he won't be beholden to anyone, certainly not to the religious wing of the party he hijacked so completely. Perhaps, and perhaps not. You can't say that with certainty any more than I can assure you he will keep his word on the staunchly conservative list of judicial nominees he put out a few weeks ago. Nevertheless, the fact remains either he or Hillary Clinton will be the next President. The time for making our voices heard in terms of nominees was during the primaries. I will take my chances with the person who gives me a chance of seeing policies I believe in enacted every time over the person I know will not because she has already said as much for the last 30+ years.   #966   Jul 22, '16, 7:13 am queenofheartscv Regular Member   Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by tomarin I'm surprised that so many people think this mercurial, quixotic figure can be expected to keep his promises. Once he is elected he won't be beholden to anyone, certainly not to the religious wing of the party he hijacked so completely. In many of the convention speeches by trumps business associates and friends they all say trumps word is better than a contract. I guess these are all liars.   #967   Jul 22, '16, 7:16 am 10gr8kids Regular Member   Join Date: November 28, 2011 Posts: 1,489 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 I'm disheartened as well. I don't trust him to appoint good judges. I don't live in a swing state, and the only time in the last 40 years or so that my state voted republican, was for Reagan in 1984. Mondale that year got one state. The primaries showed that Trump received fewer votes than even Bernie by 250,000. The combined Republican votes were only a fraction of the combined Democrat vote. So, I honestly feel voting for Trump on my part will only cause me to vote against my conscience. I really wish it was different. I'm probably more moderate except for the life issues. But I would have voted for Cruz. I thought his speech was very good, very well presented. I don't live in a swing state either. I'm pretty sure it will go to Trump. Although we did go to a Clinton twice, but it doesn't look like it will a third time. That is one reason I may still vote third party. I think Darrel Castle is suppose to be on the ticket in AR. However, if I thought there was any danger of Clinton winning AR I definitely would have to vote for Trump to help keep it from going to Clinton. I don't think Trump will be great, but I know Hilary will be terrible. __________________ "I know the plans I have for you," declares the Lord, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future." Jerimiah 29:11   #968   Jul 22, '16, 7:21 am 10gr8kids Regular Member   Join Date: November 28, 2011 Posts: 1,489 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by tomarin I'm surprised that so many people think this mercurial, quixotic figure can be expected to keep his promises. Once he is elected he won't be beholden to anyone, certainly not to the religious wing of the party he hijacked so completely. I don't trust him, but I know what Hilary would do. I'd say I believe there is at least a 75% chance Trump would nominate a conservative judge in Scalia's place. There is a 100% chance Hilary would nominate a liberal activist. __________________ "I know the plans I have for you," declares the Lord, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future." Jerimiah 29:11   #969   Jul 22, '16, 7:25 am tomarin Senior Member   Join Date: April 25, 2007 Posts: 7,538 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv In many of the convention speeches by trumps business associates and friends they all say trumps word is better than a contract. I guess these are all liars. Whereas he strikes me as someone with no scruples or morals whatsoever. Certainly he doesn't have a pro-life bone in his body. He even praised Planned Parenthood at the beginning of the summer for the 'good work' they do. That was in a candid moment before he realized it might hurt him to say what he really thought. __________________ If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand wither, let my tongue cleave to my palate if I do not remember you -- Psalm 137   #970   Jul 22, '16, 7:32 am Maximilan Kolbe Banned   Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by tomarin Whereas he strikes me as someone with no scruples or morals whatsoever. Certainly he doesn't have a pro-life bone in his body. He even praised Planned Parenthood at the beginning of the summer for the 'good work' they do. That was in a candid moment before he realized it might hurt him to say what he really thought. Why? Because any billionaire has none? That seems to be a perception without any basis in fact. Business may be a cut-throat enterprise, but things that happen often seem odd or unfathomable to people who work more common nine to five jobs. It is a different world. That isn't to say you can abandon your principles or ethics, but it does caution against viewing big business, hiring and layoffs, bankruptcies, and all that goes with them through the lens of the average joe. It is a foreign world to most of us, and I say that as a business owner myself. Trump (or Hillary's world) is not my world. I am not telling anyone who to vote for, in the end again, one of those two will be our President. Complaining about that fact will (unfortunately) not change that fact.   #971   Jul 22, '16, 7:32 am queenofheartscv Regular Member   Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,399 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by tomarin Whereas he strikes me as someone with no scruples or morals whatsoever. Certainly he doesn't have a pro-life bone in his body. He even praised Planned Parenthood at the beginning of the summer for the 'good work' they do. That was in a candid moment before he realized it might hurt him to say what he really thought. That's quite a sweeping way to judge someone. I'm surprised that you still think that even after many good testimonies from his chikdren and associates. There are many concrete things said of him that show good ethics such as never showing up late, always paying bills on time, remembering the little guys, teaching his children to work hard and take nothing for granted, being loyal to friends, helping out strangers, finishing up projects ahead of time and under budget, spotting and rewarding talents even when they are hidden. These are not signs of any virtue to you? Does morality only consist of talking about antiabortion and religious sensibilities?   #972   Jul 22, '16, 7:45 am tomarin Senior Member   Join Date: April 25, 2007 Posts: 7,538 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by Maximilan Kolbe Why? Because any billionaire has none? That seems to be a perception without any basis in fact. Business may be a cut-throat enterprise, but things that happen often seem odd or unfathomable to people who work more common nine to five jobs. It is a different world. That isn't to say you can abandon your principles or ethics, but it does caution against viewing big business, hiring and layoffs, bankruptcies, and all that goes with them through the lens of the average joe. It is a foreign world to most of us, and I say that as a business owner myself. Trump (or Hillary's world) is not my world. I am not telling anyone who to vote for, in the end again, one of those two will be our President. Complaining about that fact will (unfortunately) not change that fact. It's not because he's a businessman, but because he's a classic narcissist. Narcissists don't feel beholden by moral systems. And I second your point about not telling anyone who to vote for. Hillary gives me an allergic reaction but I think in moments of crisis a man of Trump's temperament is not someone you want in the captain's chair because he has no self-restraint. __________________ If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand wither, let my tongue cleave to my palate if I do not remember you -- Psalm 137   #973   Jul 22, '16, 7:53 am tomarin Senior Member   Join Date: April 25, 2007 Posts: 7,538 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv That's quite a sweeping way to judge someone. I'm surprised that you still think that even after many good testimonies from his chikdren and associates. There are many concrete things said of him that show good ethics such as never showing up late, always paying bills on time, remembering the little guys, teaching his children to work hard and take nothing for granted, being loyal to friends, helping out strangers, finishing up projects ahead of time and under budget, spotting and rewarding talents even when they are hidden. These are not signs of any virtue to you? Does morality only consist of talking about antiabortion and religious sensibilities? His ghostwriter on 'The Art of the Deal' draws a different picture of him, and made a point of saying that many of his employees and collaborators have signed a non-disclosure agreement that prevents them from criticizing him in public; he worked with him before Trump made that a habit so he is free to speak his mind. Of course his family and friends will only say positive things about him especially at the convention on live television. As I indicated above I think he's a narcissist and as such he thinks only about how things affect him and his image. That's why he sues people who question his earnings. __________________ If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand wither, let my tongue cleave to my palate if I do not remember you -- Psalm 137   #974   Jul 22, '16, 8:02 am DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by tomarin His ghostwriter on 'The Art of the Deal' draws a different picture of him, and made a point of saying that many of his employees and collaborators have signed a non-disclosure agreement that prevents them from criticizing him in public; he worked with him before Trump made that a habit so he is free to speak his mind. Of course his family and friends will only say positive things about him especially at the convention on live television. As I indicated above I think he's a narcissist and as such he thinks only about how things affect him and his image. That's why he sues people who question his earnings. Isn't the ghostwriter a well known Democrat donor? __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #975   Jul 22, '16, 8:03 am GaryTaylor Forum Elder   Join Date: March 30, 2010 Posts: 26,098 Religion: Catholic Re: GOP to kick off convention [Republican Convention Open Thread] Quote: Originally Posted by tomarin It's not because he's a businessman, but because he's a classic narcissist. Narcissists don't feel beholden by moral systems. And I second your point about not telling anyone who to vote for. Hillary gives me an allergic reaction but I think in moments of crisis a man of Trump's temperament is not someone you want in the captain's chair because he has no self-restraint. Clinton is a factual failure, and we know in moments of crisis she leaves people for dead. Shes incompetent a liar and can't be trusted. She's the abortion and Planned Parenthood advocate. Those are all facts, there in nothing but accusation in relation to Trump. In short its a fact and fiction comparison.