Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school

Mar 24, '16, 9:09 am

Theo520 Regular Member   Join Date: August 8, 2014 Posts: 5,526 Religion: Christian

12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school If you read the article, the boy's mother insisted on charges. It's Florida Quote: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school A 12-year-old girl was arrested and booked into juvenile detention after she allegedly pinched a boy’s butt in school during what she described as a popular game at her Florida school. The girl is facing misdemeanor battery charges after the incident at Milwee Middle School, which is outside Orlando, and was reportedly read her Miranda Rights, put in the back of a patrol car and later charged. . . . __________________ FACTS MATTER!

#2   Mar 24, '16, 9:32 am

Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder   Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,379 Religion: Catholic

Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school OK arresting might be a bit too much. But the girl's dad's reaction is terrible. It isn't ok for children to be doing that to each other. What is wrong with "Keep your hands to yourself?" Quote: “Lord, lord, lordy. . . what has this world come to?” asked the girl’s father, whose first name is Ray. “Kids can’t even be kids, and that’s basically what it is. She’s 12 years old, she was acting like a 12-year-old child.” Fox News typically neither names minors charged with crimes, nor reveals the last names of their parents, to fully protect the identities. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.

#3   Mar 24, '16, 10:03 am

pnewton Forum Elder   Join Date: June 1, 2004 Posts: 34,025 Religion: Catholic

Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school I really feel sorry for that boy. The girl will do fine. She will go to a program and the charge will be dismissed. In years to come, she will know what a messed up country we have become. The poor boy is still stuck with a mother that believes in filing charges for anything she can to protect him from any pain. If he can overcome sissification, he still will have to learn some day to stand on his own feet, a task that may never happen with this mother. __________________ "Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in." - Jesus Nooo!! I didn't mean it!

#4   Mar 24, '16, 10:38 am

edwest2 Forum Elder   Join Date: May 26, 2007 Posts: 26,811 Religion: Catholic

Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Stupid beyond belief. I say again, stupid beyond belief. Judge: "How old are you?" Girl: Twelve. Judge: "Why did you pinch this boy's butt?" Girl: It was just playing a game. Front Page News: 12 year old girl charged after pinching boy's butt Now faces misdemeanor battery charges ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Job interview ten years later: "Have you ever been charged for a misdemeanor offense?" Ed

#5   Mar 24, '16, 10:42 am

ClearWater Veteran Member   Join Date: April 30, 2011 Posts: 10,572 Religion: Catholic

Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school The arrest was excessive. Suspension was more than enough. __________________ http://www.themostholyrosary.com/15promises.htm Seven Sorrows of Mary Promises and Devotion http://www.themostholyrosary.com/appendix1.htm

#6   Mar 24, '16, 10:49 am

jediliz Regular Member   Join Date: March 20, 2005 Posts: 4,540 Religion: Catholic and Proud of it!

Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school When I was 12, I was staying away from the gross immature boys in my class. 12 year olds should not be touching anyone like this. What if a boy had done this to the girl? Would the response have been "boys will be boys"? __________________ A Rosary a Day Keeps the Devil Away! "More souls go to hell because of sins of the flesh than for any other reason." - Our Lady of Fatima Who will speak for those who have no voice? Life.....what a beautiful choice!

#7   Mar 24, '16, 10:53 am

ChaosGamma Junior Member   Join Date: February 20, 2014 Posts: 250 Religion: Roman Catholick, 3/22/15

Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by ClearWater The arrest was excessive. Suspension was more than enough. Wow. And to think I got into fights with other guys on the playground and half the time we didn't get so much as a warning. __________________ The modern clergy preach that there is a social reform capable of wiping out the consequences of sin. From which one can deduce the pointlessness of redemption through Christ. ~Don Colacho

#8   Mar 24, '16, 10:56 am

Allegra Veteran Member   Join Date: July 11, 2011 Posts: 10,437 Religion: Catholic

Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Why would someone go to the trouble to press charges over this? I have a hard time believing that this only happened once. Even if it did, the father's reaction seems even more extreme than the mother's. 7th graders don't have some sort of God-given right to pinch other people's rear ends! How would he feel if the boy, rather than seeking the assistance of an adult, just hauled off and punched the girl's face in? What sort of "popular game" involves pinching a boy you admit that you don't even know? A "game" involves consenting players not random strangers. It's ridiculous that the court's time is being wasted on this. The school should have dealt with it before it was allowed to become a "popular game".

#9   Mar 24, '16, 10:58 am

BlueEyedLady Senior Member   Join Date: November 22, 2011 Posts: 6,584 Religion: Atheist

Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by pnewton I really feel sorry for that boy. The girl will do fine. She will go to a program and the charge will be dismissed. In years to come, she will know what a messed up country we have become. The poor boy is still stuck with a mother that believes in filing charges for anything she can to protect him from any pain. If he can overcome sissification, he still will have to learn some day to stand on his own feet, a task that may never happen with this mother. My thoughts exactly. How embarrassing for this boy that his mom acted out so publicly. He still has the rest of middle school and all of high school to face with these people! Also, the world is nuts. I had my butt grabbed by a boy at around the age of 12. The teacher explained why that was inappropriate and gave him detention. Life went on and that kid is now a successful pharmacist. __________________ "One of the deep secrets of life is that all that is really worth the doing is what we do for others" -Lewis Carroll

#10   Mar 24, '16, 10:58 am

AFerri48 Regular Member   Join Date: October 21, 2015 Posts: 893 Religion: Catholic

Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school If every student who was to touch the butt of an opposite sex student in high school were arrested, how many would be in jail right now?

#11   Mar 24, '16, 11:11 am

Trident H Regular Member   Join Date: July 11, 2015 Posts: 2,180 Religion: Catholic

Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Sorry. This is one move too close to the pier. I mean really? REALLY? A girl pinches a guy's butt and this happens? For crying out loud. And the dad's reaction was fine. He was mystified. He's still normal. He hasn't sexualized every single act done out of fun and play. Unlike the rest of society. I mean what a way. What a thought. As if the girl was really after a jolly time in that way. Please. A common scene growing up was to pinch someone not wearing green on St. Patrick's day. Is this now assault today? Are we so hands off that we can't even tolerate a bit of childishness? And yeah. If the boy had pinched her I'd be just as lost with a society that sucker-punched him for that. I mean we preach tolerance and understanding all the day long. But when push comes to shove (or pinch) we get all twisted in knots. And for what? What is this girl learning that a five minute talk wouldn't have fixed? This over-action has probably instead caused her a life-long distrust of law and order. And for good reason. Let me off this ride. It's too crowded with crazy. __________________ I'm just a guy fighting alcoholism and a bit of a bent sexuality. I'm not making excuses. I'm not asking for exceptions. I'm only just saying that I'm not exactly perfect. So maybe just keep that in mind when you read my posts. Thanks. [3, 4]

#12   Mar 24, '16, 11:13 am

Arizona Fat Gir Regular Member   Join Date: November 29, 2010 Posts: 825 Religion: Catholic

Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school In our school when I was in eighth grade, the boys used to bring pins to school, probably from their mothers' sewing baskets. They would stick pins in the girls. (Usually the butt, but more likely anywhere else they could get near, like an arm, a thigh, a neck, etc.) The girls would go home from school, sometimes their clothing stained with blood. But the girls enjoyed the attention! I used to steer clear of the boys as much as possible because I did not want to be a pin cushion.

#13   Mar 24, '16, 11:19 am

Trident H Regular Member   Join Date: July 11, 2015 Posts: 2,180 Religion: Catholic

Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Arizona Fat Gir In our school when I was in eighth grade, the boys used to bring pins to school, probably from their mothers' sewing baskets. They would stick pins in the girls. (Usually the butt, but more likely anywhere else they could get near, like an arm, a thigh, a neck, etc.) The girls would go home from school, sometimes their clothing stained with blood. But the girls enjoyed the attention! I used to steer clear of the boys as much as possible because I did not want to be a pin cushion. Today they'd all be arrested. Some of them possibly shot. __________________ I'm just a guy fighting alcoholism and a bit of a bent sexuality. I'm not making excuses. I'm not asking for exceptions. I'm only just saying that I'm not exactly perfect. So maybe just keep that in mind when you read my posts. Thanks. [3, 4]

#14   Mar 24, '16, 11:28 am

Mark121359 Regular Member   Join Date: August 30, 2012 Posts: 2,349 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by edwest2 Stupid beyond belief. I say again, stupid beyond belief. Judge: "How old are you?" Girl: Twelve. Judge: "Why did you pinch this boy's butt?" Girl: It was just playing a game. Front Page News: 12 year old girl charged after pinching boy's butt Now faces misdemeanor battery charges Yep, dumb as dirt..... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Job interview ten years later: "Have you ever been charged for a misdemeanor offense?" Ed Ed, I'm not quite sure that stupid beyond belief comes remotely close to even describing it! Remember the 7-year-old boy who was suspended for chewing a Pop Tart into the shape of a gun? Or the Washington state elementary school students that got suspended for bringing a Nerf gun to school? What comes after stupid beyond belief? Peace, Mark __________________ “Ad Jesum per Mariam" Luke 1:38 And Mary said, "Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be done to me according to your word." And the angel departed from her.

#15   Mar 24, '16, 11:35 am

edwest2 Forum Elder   Join Date: May 26, 2007 Posts: 26,811 Religion: Catholic

Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Trident H Today they'd all be arrested. Some of them possibly shot. Next is tortured and then shot Yeah tolerance. Let's all go to public places and schools with armed security guards, video cameras and a lawyer on retainer. Speak only when necessary. Do not interact without written consent, and then go home and lock all your doors. Avoid strangers at all costs. If you don't, you risk arrest. And segregated playgrounds with surveillance and armed guards. Ed       Mar 24, '16, 11:36 am slMike Junior Member   Join Date: December 20, 2013 Posts: 261 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Western Civilization has some issues with the butt: Parents can't spank their kids', ladies in general are infatuated with their own, now a girl gets arrested for pinching a boy's. Mike   #17   Mar 24, '16, 11:54 am oldcelt Senior Member   Join Date: February 2, 2009 Posts: 7,198 Religion: Deist, former Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by pnewton I really feel sorry for that boy. The girl will do fine. She will go to a program and the charge will be dismissed. In years to come, she will know what a messed up country we have become. The poor boy is still stuck with a mother that believes in filing charges for anything she can to protect him from any pain. If he can overcome sissification, he still will have to learn some day to stand on his own feet, a task that may never happen with this mother. I think you've summed it up nicely. John __________________ With malice toward none; with charity for all; with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation's wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow, and his orphan.. Abraham Lincoln   #18   Mar 24, '16, 12:06 pm edwest2 Forum Elder   Join Date: May 26, 2007 Posts: 26,811 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Mark121359 Ed, I'm not quite sure that stupid beyond belief comes remotely close to even describing it! Remember the 7-year-old boy who was suspended for chewing a Pop Tart into the shape of a gun? Or the Washington state elementary school students that got suspended for bringing a Nerf gun to school? What comes after stupid beyond belief? Peace, Mark I don't know. Judges and law enforcement, not to mention teachers and principals going along with this? For years, I've seen classrooms gradually change from rules of behavior, respecting the teacher, learning what is taught, and passing on to the next grade, turn into "experimental laboratories" where so-called experts who either want to impose their worldview or who are bored out of their minds, want change at any cost. And who best to experiment on than malleable, immature kids? I have to believe it comes in two parts. Part one is designed to condition children to accept this or that ideology. Part two is designed to create problems to justify the activities of so-called experts. Who would otherwise be twiddling their thumbs. There's no money in solving problems. And there's an advantage to shaping young minds without mom or dad in the room. There used to be a class called Civics, so that you could learn how to behave in the outside world in a civilized manner. Social disorder creates jobs and creates situations for people to make money and/or push their ideology on others. Social stability? Learning to read, write, do research, do math and being a responsible person? You might turn into a stable, educated adult. There's no money in that. And worse - it would be boring, according to some. The god Change demands well... change. The saying of the miserable: "The only constant is change." Uh Uh. The only constant is stability, planning for potential problems and enjoying life in a healthy manner. I lived through it. Ed   #19   Mar 24, '16, 1:02 pm MaryT777 Forum Master   Join Date: November 23, 2012 Posts: 14,333 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by jediliz When I was 12, I was staying away from the gross immature boys in my class. 12 year olds should not be touching anyone like this. What if a boy had done this to the girl? Would the response have been "boys will be boys"? It is absolutely ridiculous for a girl or boy to pinch anyone in the butt. There should be consequences. Mary.   #20   Mar 24, '16, 1:13 pm mikekle Veteran Member   Join Date: August 3, 2012 Posts: 10,430 Religion: raised catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 OK arresting might be a bit too much. But the girl's dad's reaction is terrible. It isn't ok for children to be doing that to each other. What is wrong with "Keep your hands to yourself?" What about the cops in this....what officer in their right mind would actually arrest someone for this? LOL When I was in school, up to high school, pinching or slapping butts was pretty common, in fact, I think this was even common in the workplace not too long ago. I remember this happening at a place I worked quite a bit years ago, the women would just shake their head, laugh and go on with what they were doing, and chalk it up to 'men being men'.   #21   Mar 24, '16, 1:23 pm Trident H Regular Member   Join Date: July 11, 2015 Posts: 2,180 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by MaryT777 It is absolutely ridiculous for a girl or boy to pinch anyone in the butt. There should be consequences. Mary. Ridiculous? Yes. Criminal? Hardly. 5 minute recess detention would've nipped this one. Done and done. __________________ I'm just a guy fighting alcoholism and a bit of a bent sexuality. I'm not making excuses. I'm not asking for exceptions. I'm only just saying that I'm not exactly perfect. So maybe just keep that in mind when you read my posts. Thanks. [3, 4]   #22   Mar 24, '16, 1:25 pm Allegra Veteran Member   Join Date: July 11, 2011 Posts: 10,437 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by edwest2 I don't know. Judges and law enforcement, not to mention teachers and principals going along with this? Ed That's the weirdest thing about it and that's what makes me suspect that there must be more to the story. If it was just a nutty, over-protective mom, well, who would take her seriously? On the other hand, if this girl was part of a group that was following this kid around and taunting him and she was just the first one to cross the physical boundary, or if this has been happening day after day and the school refuses to address it, well that would make more sense.   #23   Mar 24, '16, 1:27 pm Tarpeian Rock Regular Member   Join Date: July 17, 2010 Posts: 4,573 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school As insane as all this is, it must be admitted that relatively speaking the girl will bet off lightly. Were the boy to have pinched the girl, he'd be looking at the Sex Offender Registry and all the consequences that go with that.   #24   Mar 24, '16, 1:39 pm Allegra Veteran Member   Join Date: July 11, 2011 Posts: 10,437 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Trident H Ridiculous? Yes. Criminal? Hardly. 5 minute recess detention would've nipped this one. Done and done. You would think so. I wonder why that wasn't tried? Maybe that's why the mom decided to press charges?   #25   Mar 24, '16, 1:40 pm Allegra Veteran Member   Join Date: July 11, 2011 Posts: 10,437 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by mikekle When I was in school, up to high school, pinching or slapping butts was pretty common, in fact, I think this was even common in the workplace not too long ago. I remember this happening at a place I worked quite a bit years ago, the women would just shake their head, laugh and go on with what they were doing, and chalk it up to 'men being men'. Are we to understand that you think that was a good thing?   #26   Mar 24, '16, 1:51 pm JimG Forum Elder   Join Date: May 23, 2004 Posts: 28,249 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by BlueEyedLady My thoughts exactly. How embarrassing for this boy that his mom acted out so publicly. He still has the rest of middle school and all of high school to face with these people! Also, the world is nuts. I had my butt grabbed by a boy at around the age of 12. The teacher explained why that was inappropriate and gave him detention. Life went on and that kid is now a successful pharmacist. The adults took care of the problem without involving the police. Sounds much more reasonable to me.   #27   Mar 24, '16, 2:03 pm mikekle Veteran Member   Join Date: August 3, 2012 Posts: 10,430 Religion: raised catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Allegra Are we to understand that you think that was a good thing? No, I thought it was sexist, but in this particular case, I think the cop needs to be fired, they obviously have no common sense.   #28   Mar 24, '16, 2:10 pm Trident H Regular Member   Join Date: July 11, 2015 Posts: 2,180 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Allegra You would think so. I wonder why that wasn't tried? Maybe that's why the mom decided to press charges? Well. The alternate's that this girl has a real problem keeping her hands to herself. But even if that was the case what ever happened to a heart-to-heart with her parents. You know. Like grown-ups used to do? Pick up the phone and ask if they were aware of what was going on between the two kids. Call a meeting with the teacher. Send an email if you're afraid your voice will quiver. But this? This is just someone using the justice system to make themselves feel big. I bet that mother's on cloud nine over this. Probably had a pretty powerless upbringing. It's pathetic and sad. __________________ I'm just a guy fighting alcoholism and a bit of a bent sexuality. I'm not making excuses. I'm not asking for exceptions. I'm only just saying that I'm not exactly perfect. So maybe just keep that in mind when you read my posts. Thanks. [3, 4]   #29   Mar 24, '16, 2:40 pm Theo520 Regular Member   Join Date: August 8, 2014 Posts: 5,526 Religion: Christian Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 OK arresting might be a bit too much. But the girl's dad's reaction is terrible. It isn't ok for children to be doing that to each other. What is wrong with "Keep your hands to yourself?" You never saw anyone pinched on St Patrick's day, for not wearing green? Quote: Originally Posted by mikekle No, I thought it was sexist, but in this particular case, I think the cop needs to be fired, they obviously have no common sense. I'd guess the cop had little choice in the matter since the mother was pressing charges. It's a pity the school didn't convince the mom they could handle without involving the police. __________________ FACTS MATTER!   #30   Mar 24, '16, 2:45 pm edwest2 Forum Elder   Join Date: May 26, 2007 Posts: 26,811 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by mikekle No, I thought it was sexist, but in this particular case, I think the cop needs to be fired, they obviously have no common sense. "sexist" is a fake word. Ed Mar 24, '16, 2:50 pm Micosil Regular Member   Join Date: September 29, 2012 Posts: 1,728 Religion: Catholic Catechumen Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by edwest2 Stupid beyond belief. I say again, stupid beyond belief. Judge: "How old are you?" Girl: Twelve. Judge: "Why did you pinch this boy's butt?" Girl: It was just playing a game. Front Page News: 12 year old girl charged after pinching boy's butt Now faces misdemeanor battery charges ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Job interview ten years later: "Have you ever been charged for a misdemeanor offense?" Ed Not downplaying how ridiculous this all is, but don't criminal records get expunged when one becomes an adult? __________________ Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner. Para un resumen de la fe católica, haga click aquí / For a summary of the Catholic faith (in Spanish), click here   #32   Mar 24, '16, 3:00 pm misspriss Regular Member   Join Date: March 9, 2012 Posts: 740 Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school I was homeschooled, but i distinctively remember my older sister and i going through a butt pinching game phase, we were obviously both girls and related. No clue how or why it started, we called them "jumping beans". Seems a little OTT to me. __________________ SAHM to my lovelies, DS4 and DD2, expecting #3!   #33   Mar 24, '16, 3:38 pm phil at dayboro Senior Member   Join Date: January 26, 2014 Posts: 8,568 Religion: catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school All much ado about Nothing ,, School Principle /. School Councellor , should have explained inappropriate behaviour , End of story ,   #34   Mar 24, '16, 5:33 pm edwest2 Forum Elder   Join Date: May 26, 2007 Posts: 26,811 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school But that didn't happen. "Unit four, come in." This is Unit Four. Go ahead. "Butt pinching incident at local school. Perp is being detained." Age of perp and were any weapons found? "12. No weapons." To 12 year old girl: "You are under arrest for misdemeanor battery. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you..." If that is not 100% crazy, well, I'm sure I'll be hearing crazier as anarchists and leftists continue their march against sanity, and reality. Ed   #35   Mar 24, '16, 5:44 pm EmperorNapoleon Banned   Join Date: March 28, 2009 Posts: 7,994 Religion: Agnostic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by edwest2 But that didn't happen. "Unit four, come in." This is Unit Four. Go ahead. "Butt pinching incident at local school. Perp is being detained." Age of perp and were any weapons found? "12. No weapons." Its a town of 13,000 people much of whom are eligible for a senior discount. Probably the most action that police force has seen in decades.   #36   Mar 24, '16, 6:52 pm Trident H Regular Member   Join Date: July 11, 2015 Posts: 2,180 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by EmperorNapoleon Its a town of 13,000 people much of whom are eligible for a senior discount. Probably the most action that police force has seen in decades. lol probably too true __________________ I'm just a guy fighting alcoholism and a bit of a bent sexuality. I'm not making excuses. I'm not asking for exceptions. I'm only just saying that I'm not exactly perfect. So maybe just keep that in mind when you read my posts. Thanks. [3, 4]   #37   Mar 24, '16, 7:13 pm Micosil Regular Member   Join Date: September 29, 2012 Posts: 1,728 Religion: Catholic Catechumen Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by EmperorNapoleon Its a town of 13,000 people much of whom are eligible for a senior discount. Probably the most action that police force has seen in decades. __________________ Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner. Para un resumen de la fe católica, haga click aquí / For a summary of the Catholic faith (in Spanish), click here   #38   Mar 24, '16, 7:59 pm Allegra Veteran Member   Join Date: July 11, 2011 Posts: 10,437 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by mikekle No, I thought it was sexist, but in this particular case, I think the cop needs to be fired, they obviously have no common sense. It's my understanding that the boy's mother filed charges, not the cop. His job is to gather and report evidence, not to determine whether the girl was guilty.   #39   Mar 24, '16, 8:03 pm Allegra Veteran Member   Join Date: July 11, 2011 Posts: 10,437 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Micosil Not downplaying how ridiculous this all is, but don't criminal records get expunged when one becomes an adult? It depends on the crime but this most certainly would be.   #40   Mar 24, '16, 8:08 pm Micosil Regular Member   Join Date: September 29, 2012 Posts: 1,728 Religion: Catholic Catechumen Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Allegra It depends on the crime but this most certainly would be. Right, so in that case edwest2's hypothetical could be answered by the girl simply saying, "No.", the human resources guy following up on the negative answer and confirming it, and then nothing would happen...? I mean, I understand this case is a bit ridiculous, I just find it hard to believe that the girl would have a hard time finding a job later in life with an expunged criminal record of something that happened when she was 12. __________________ Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner. Para un resumen de la fe católica, haga click aquí / For a summary of the Catholic faith (in Spanish), click here   #41   Mar 24, '16, 8:13 pm Allegra Veteran Member   Join Date: July 11, 2011 Posts: 10,437 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Trident H Well. The alternate's that this girl has a real problem keeping her hands to herself. But even if that was the case what ever happened to a heart-to-heart with her parents. You know. Like grown-ups used to do? Pick up the phone and ask if they were aware of what was going on between the two kids. Call a meeting with the teacher. Send an email if you're afraid your voice will quiver. But this? This is just someone using the justice system to make themselves feel big. I bet that mother's on cloud nine over this. Probably had a pretty powerless upbringing. It's pathetic and sad. It's possible that those things had already been tried. Obviously, the father of the girl doesn't think it's a big deal. It seems really strange to me too, that an incident like this would end up involving the cops and it makes me wonder if the mother wasn't getting any results through the standard channels. At any rate, kids do need to learn that you can't just help yourself to someone else's body and then turn around and tell them how they should feel about it. It's better that they learn this at twelve with a minor booty-pinching incident that will most likely be dismissed in court than a groping or sexual assault charge at seventeen that will result in a permanent serious crime on their record.   #42   Mar 24, '16, 8:18 pm Micosil Regular Member   Join Date: September 29, 2012 Posts: 1,728 Religion: Catholic Catechumen Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Allegra It's possible that those things had already been tried. Obviously, the father of the girl doesn't think it's a big deal. It seems really strange to me too, that an incident like this would end up involving the cops and it makes me wonder if the mother wasn't getting any results through the standard channels. At any rate, kids do need to learn that you can't just help yourself to someone else's body and then turn around and tell them how they should feel about it. It's better that they learn this at twelve with a minor booty-pinching incident that will most likely be dismissed in court than a groping or sexual assault charge at seventeen that will result in a permanent serious crime on their record. You've raised an interesting point. Many will say this behavior is more "standard" at younger ages than when one is (nearly) an adult. __________________ Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner. Para un resumen de la fe católica, haga click aquí / For a summary of the Catholic faith (in Spanish), click here   #43   Mar 24, '16, 8:33 pm gracepoole Senior Member   Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,038 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by edwest2 "sexist" is a fake word. Ed No more so than any other word in the English language. And it has a definition. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/sexism   #44   Mar 24, '16, 8:50 pm Dwyer Regular Member   Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school By 7th Grade and age 12, the girl should know better. She described it as a "popular game". The principal and the school staff and faculty should have put a stop to the "popular game" long ago. There's no discipline in the public school system. These teachers and the school administrators want an easy job and would rather not deal with it so they ignore all the bad behavior and sweep it under the rug to make their lives easier. My high school's principal was some guy who disappeared in an office all day, and as far as I could tell, did nothing and taught no classes and drew the highest pay check at the school. __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.) Last edited by Dwyer; Mar 24, '16 at 9:06 pm.   #45   Mar 24, '16, 9:23 pm Theo520 Regular Member   Join Date: August 8, 2014 Posts: 5,526 Religion: Christian Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Honestly, you never pinched, or got pinched on St Patrick's Day when you were a kid? Quote: Originally Posted by Dwyer By 7th Grade and age 12, the girl should know better. She described it as a "popular game". The principal and the school staff and faculty should have put a stop to the "popular game" long ago. There's no discipline in the public school system. These teachers and the school administrators want an easy job and would rather not deal with it so they ignore all the bad behavior and sweep it under the rug to make their lives easier. My high school's principal was some guy who disappeared in an office all day, and as far as I could tell, did nothing and taught no classes and drew the highest pay check at the school. __________________ FACTS MATTER!     Mar 25, '16, 5:58 am Allegra Veteran Member   Join Date: July 11, 2011 Posts: 10,437 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Theo520 Honestly, you never pinched, or got pinched on St Patrick's Day when you were a kid? Actually, no. I never felt entitled to pinch someone on St Patrick's Day. Even as a child, it actually occurred to me that my friends might not like being pinched. I also didn't consider it my inalienable right to punch people if I saw a volkswagon or someone mentioned Hawaiian punch or kick them if someone put a "kick me" sign on their back or smack them on their birthday. Probably because I was not a complete jerk and had a basic respect for other people's boundaries..   #47   Mar 25, '16, 6:47 am John Lazarus Regular Member   Join Date: January 24, 2010 Posts: 4,562 Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Allegra Actually, no. I never felt entitled to pinch someone on St Patrick's Day. Even as a child, it actually occurred to me that my friends might not like being pinched. I also didn't consider it my inalienable right to punch people if I saw a volkswagon or someone mentioned Hawaiian punch or kick them if someone put a "kick me" sign on their back or smack them on their birthday. Probably because I was not a complete jerk and had a basic respect for other people's boundaries.. The right to pinch your fingers together ends where my butt begins. __________________ "I wouldn't touch that with a ten-foot pole." — Vlad II, Voivode of Wallachia   #48   Mar 25, '16, 7:04 am mikekle Veteran Member   Join Date: August 3, 2012 Posts: 10,430 Religion: raised catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school A few months back in a large metro area close to my home, there was an incident, apparently a man had slapped a woman on the butt at a bus transfer station...this led to all the news stations breaking into programming to give out the guys description, police were all looking for the guy, everyone was taking it very seriously, I think one reporter even called this guy a sexual predator?!!! For a society that seems to be so open minded and casual about sex these days, they sure like to go overboard some of the time.   #49   Mar 25, '16, 7:08 am Theo520 Regular Member   Join Date: August 8, 2014 Posts: 5,526 Religion: Christian Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Allegra Actually, no. I never felt entitled to pinch someone on St Patrick's Day. Even as a child, it actually occurred to me that my friends might not like being pinched. I also didn't consider it my inalienable right to punch people if I saw a volkswagon or someone mentioned Hawaiian punch or kick them if someone put a "kick me" sign on their back or smack them on their birthday. Probably because I was not a complete jerk and had a basic respect for other people's boundaries.. Different families, different boundaries. Children should be taught between appropriate and inappropriate touching, but not that no touching is acceptable. The human being requires touch. This was at most a teaching opportunity, not assault. __________________ FACTS MATTER!   #50   Mar 25, '16, 7:37 am Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder   Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,379 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Theo520 Different families, different boundaries. Children should be taught between appropriate and inappropriate touching, but not that no touching is acceptable. The human being requires touch. This was at most a teaching opportunity, not assault. Appropriate touch doesn't involve pinching on the butt though. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #51   Mar 25, '16, 7:40 am Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder   Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,379 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by mikekle A few months back in a large metro area close to my home, there was an incident, apparently a man had slapped a woman on the butt at a bus transfer station...this led to all the news stations breaking into programming to give out the guys description, police were all looking for the guy, everyone was taking it very seriously, I think one reporter even called this guy a sexual predator?!!! For a society that seems to be so open minded and casual about sex these days, they sure like to go overboard some of the time. It's not wrong to randomly touch strangers on their bottoms? __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #52   Mar 25, '16, 7:40 am Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder   Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,379 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by John Lazarus The right to pinch your fingers together ends where my butt begins. Yes. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #53   Mar 25, '16, 7:44 am Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder   Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,379 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Allegra Actually, no. I never felt entitled to pinch someone on St Patrick's Day. Even as a child, it actually occurred to me that my friends might not like being pinched. I also didn't consider it my inalienable right to punch people if I saw a volkswagon or someone mentioned Hawaiian punch or kick them if someone put a "kick me" sign on their back or smack them on their birthday. Probably because I was not a complete jerk and had a basic respect for other people's boundaries.. I have a similar experience to you. No pinching. I never knew it was a St. Patrick's day custom to pinch people on the bottom any way. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #54   Mar 25, '16, 7:53 am mikekle Veteran Member   Join Date: August 3, 2012 Posts: 10,430 Religion: raised catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 It's not wrong to randomly touch strangers on their bottoms? Yes, it is wrong, but is it breaking news for a large metro area, or worth deploying every cop on patrol to hunt down the guy? Is he a sexual predator...NO. He deserves a stiff 'talking to' by a cop and a citation, but its not like the guy brutally raped a stranger in an alley either.   #55   Mar 25, '16, 8:01 am Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder   Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,379 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by mikekle Yes, it is wrong, but is it breaking news for a large metro area, or worth deploying every cop on patrol to hunt down the guy? Is he a sexual predator...NO. He deserves a stiff 'talking to' by a cop and a citation, but its not like the guy brutally raped a stranger in an alley either. How do you know he isn't, though? People are usually inhibited from acting out their thoughts or desires, by the time they are adults people should have the control to not touch strangers in private areas. Without a link to the article, perhaps there was something more involved for this guy to be considered a predator. In my neighborhood a year or so ago, a man was exposing himself to high school girls from his car. I would not hesitate to think that a this guy was dangerous and should be arrested. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #56   Mar 25, '16, 8:14 am mikekle Veteran Member   Join Date: August 3, 2012 Posts: 10,430 Religion: raised catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 How do you know he isn't, though? People are usually inhibited from acting out their thoughts or desires, by the time they are adults people should have the control to not touch strangers in private areas. Without a link to the article, perhaps there was something more involved for this guy to be considered a predator. In my neighborhood a year or so ago, a man was exposing himself to high school girls from his car. I would not hesitate to think that a this guy was dangerous and should be arrested. I see what you are saying, but thats a slippery slope, when someone is arrested for minor shoplifting, do we jump to the conclusion they are going to eventually rob banks or commit very serious crimes? I do agree though, an adult should know better to do these things, I remember when I was a teen working in fast food, it was common for the girls working drive thru to have adult men 'show themselves' while at the window, everyone joked about it, the girls especially, they thought it was funny, no one took it serious though, and this was only about 20 yrs ago. Kind of like in the days past, when someone would catch a man window peeping, it was common to throw a pot of cold water on them and run them off, nowadays, this is considered a serious crime.   #57   Mar 25, '16, 8:26 am Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder   Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,379 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by mikekle I see what you are saying, but thats a slippery slope, when someone is arrested for minor shoplifting, do we jump to the conclusion they are going to eventually rob banks or commit very serious crimes? I do agree though, an adult should know better to do these things, I remember when I was a teen working in fast food, it was common for the girls working drive thru to have adult men 'show themselves' while at the window, everyone joked about it, the girls especially, they thought it was funny, no one took it serious though, and this was only about 20 yrs ago. Kind of like in the days past, when someone would catch a man window peeping, it was common to throw a pot of cold water on them and run them off, nowadays, this is considered a serious crime. Pervy guys harassing teens at a drive thru was common? I'm sure that it was illegal 20 years ago. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #58   Mar 25, '16, 8:28 am Theo520 Regular Member   Join Date: August 8, 2014 Posts: 5,526 Religion: Christian Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by mikekle I see what you are saying, but thats a slippery slope, when someone is arrested for minor shoplifting, do we jump to the conclusion they are going to eventually rob banks or commit very serious crimes? I do agree though, an adult should know better to do these things, I remember when I was a teen working in fast food, it was common for the girls working drive thru to have adult men 'show themselves' while at the window, everyone joked about it, the girls especially, they thought it was funny, no one took it serious though, and this was only about 20 yrs ago. Kind of like in the days past, when someone would catch a man window peeping, it was common to throw a pot of cold water on them and run them off, nowadays, this is considered a serious crime. You are also describing my childhood, where society definitely gave feedback on inappropriate behavior but excluded legal recourse for most things we consider misdemeanor crimes. Formal misdemeanor charges were for repeat offenders __________________ FACTS MATTER!   #59   Mar 25, '16, 8:42 am Allegra Veteran Member   Join Date: July 11, 2011 Posts: 10,437 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Theo520 Different families, different boundaries. Children should be taught between appropriate and inappropriate touching, but not that no touching is acceptable. The human being requires touch. This was at most a teaching opportunity, not assault. The first rule of appropriate touch is that it is consensual. This student knew what she was doing was inappropriate. That's why she thought it was funny. I agree it should have been handled as a teaching opportunity and I wonder why it wasn't.   #60   Mar 25, '16, 8:54 am Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder   Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,379 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Allegra The first rule of appropriate touch is that it is consensual. This student knew what she was doing was inappropriate. That's why she thought it was funny. I agree it should have been handled as a teaching opportunity and I wonder why it wasn't. I'm wondering if the dad's response had something to do with it, his daughter was just playing and the boy is too sensitive. How about he tell his daughter, don't touch pinch people. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.     Mar 25, '16, 9:40 am Just Lurking Regular Member   Join Date: April 26, 2008 Posts: 2,863 Religion: A Professional Mathematician Just Trying to Follow Christ Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. I don't believe in "no-go" zones where Sharia law applies instead of U.S. law. So why should public schools be considered "no-go" zones where school administrators overrule U.S. law? You break the law, you suffer the consequences, even if you happen to be in a school while you are breaking the law.   #62   Mar 25, '16, 12:31 pm Trident H Regular Member   Join Date: July 11, 2015 Posts: 2,180 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Allegra It's possible that those things had already been tried. Seriously doubt it. Quote: Originally Posted by Allegra Obviously, the father of the girl doesn't think it's a big deal. That's because he's normal. And isn't imagining a sexual angle to every childhood prank. Quote: Originally Posted by Allegra It seems really strange to me too, that an incident like this would end up involving the cops and it makes me wonder if the mother wasn't getting any results through the standard channels. She's getting a power kick. This is something an overprotective parent would dream up to lift up their offspring head and shoulders above the rest of the rabble. Quote: Originally Posted by Allegra At any rate, kids do need to learn that you can't just help yourself to someone else's body and then turn around and tell them how they should feel about it. Sure. Through a 5 minute chat with a teacher or school superior. Maybe add on a detention for each repeat offense. Quote: Originally Posted by Allegra It's better that they learn this at twelve with a minor booty-pinching incident that will most likely be dismissed in court than a groping or sexual assault charge at seventeen that will result in a permanent serious crime on their record. Not even. If this is my society's way of teaching little kids that we all think everything they do has sexual overtones then I want out. I want to move somewhere else. Where people aren't so extreme. The police are there for serious things. For adult problems. Teachers and parents are there to explain butts. And how pinching them isn't the greatest idea in the world. __________________ I'm just a guy fighting alcoholism and a bit of a bent sexuality. I'm not making excuses. I'm not asking for exceptions. I'm only just saying that I'm not exactly perfect. So maybe just keep that in mind when you read my posts. Thanks. [3, 4]   #63   Mar 25, '16, 12:45 pm Trident H Regular Member   Join Date: July 11, 2015 Posts: 2,180 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Allegra Actually, no. I never felt entitled to pinch someone on St Patrick's Day. Even as a child, it actually occurred to me that my friends might not like being pinched. I also didn't consider it my inalienable right to punch people if I saw a volkswagon or someone mentioned Hawaiian punch or kick them if someone put a "kick me" sign on their back or smack them on their birthday. Probably because I was not a complete jerk and had a basic respect for other people's boundaries.. Kids having fun doesn't make them jerks. Kids doing stuff to be mean on purpose does that. So it really depends. I mean were the kids where you were from honestly going around giving each other a pinch or a light punch with a sneer and a grunt? Or were they instead just trying to have some silly fun? It makes a big difference. __________________ I'm just a guy fighting alcoholism and a bit of a bent sexuality. I'm not making excuses. I'm not asking for exceptions. I'm only just saying that I'm not exactly perfect. So maybe just keep that in mind when you read my posts. Thanks. [3, 4]   #64   Mar 25, '16, 12:47 pm Trident H Regular Member   Join Date: July 11, 2015 Posts: 2,180 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 Appropriate touch doesn't involve pinching on the butt though. Appropriate response doesn't involve calling the cops though. __________________ I'm just a guy fighting alcoholism and a bit of a bent sexuality. I'm not making excuses. I'm not asking for exceptions. I'm only just saying that I'm not exactly perfect. So maybe just keep that in mind when you read my posts. Thanks. [3, 4]   #65   Mar 25, '16, 12:50 pm Trident H Regular Member   Join Date: July 11, 2015 Posts: 2,180 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 I'm wondering if the dad's response had something to do with it, his daughter was just playing and the boy is too sensitive. How about he tell his daughter, don't touch pinch people. I think his reaction had a lot to do with not understanding why his daughter was lead away by the police. He couldn't tell her that little lesson anymore because she was in the back of a police car. __________________ I'm just a guy fighting alcoholism and a bit of a bent sexuality. I'm not making excuses. I'm not asking for exceptions. I'm only just saying that I'm not exactly perfect. So maybe just keep that in mind when you read my posts. Thanks. [3, 4]   #66   Mar 25, '16, 12:50 pm pnewton Forum Elder   Join Date: June 1, 2004 Posts: 34,025 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Just Lurking Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. I don't believe in "no-go" zones where Sharia law applies instead of U.S. law. So why should public schools be considered "no-go" zones where school administrators overrule U.S. law? You break the law, you suffer the consequences, even if you happen to be in a school while you are breaking the law. I understand, but a pinch should be no more that a traffic ticket. A citation should have been issued at most. We are so ridiculous now days we have to even define if assault was with or without contact. I think the point is such an action should not be a "crime" and should not result in "time". __________________ "Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in." - Jesus Nooo!! I didn't mean it!   #67   Mar 25, '16, 12:52 pm Trident H Regular Member   Join Date: July 11, 2015 Posts: 2,180 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Just Lurking Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. I don't believe in "no-go" zones where Sharia law applies instead of U.S. law. So why should public schools be considered "no-go" zones where school administrators overrule U.S. law? You break the law, you suffer the consequences, even if you happen to be in a school while you are breaking the law. Pinching is not against the law. Not when you're 12. That'd be like hauling toddlers out of preschool for throwing blocks at each other and charging them with assault. A guy's gotta expect the right level of authority's going to deal with the situation in hand. I don't want a police force in the playground handcuffing kids for throwing sand. __________________ I'm just a guy fighting alcoholism and a bit of a bent sexuality. I'm not making excuses. I'm not asking for exceptions. I'm only just saying that I'm not exactly perfect. So maybe just keep that in mind when you read my posts. Thanks. [3, 4]   #68   Mar 25, '16, 1:12 pm Just Lurking Regular Member   Join Date: April 26, 2008 Posts: 2,863 Religion: A Professional Mathematician Just Trying to Follow Christ Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Trident H Pinching is not against the law. Not when you're 12. It sounds to me as though everyone's problem is with Florida legislature, when they defined simple (misdemeanor) battery as actual and intentional touching or striking of another person against that person’s will.   #69   Mar 25, '16, 5:07 pm Trident H Regular Member   Join Date: July 11, 2015 Posts: 2,180 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Just Lurking It sounds to me as though everyone's problem is with Florida legislature, when they defined simple (misdemeanor) battery as actual and intentional touching or striking of another person against that person’s will. Well that's a pretty good point too. __________________ I'm just a guy fighting alcoholism and a bit of a bent sexuality. I'm not making excuses. I'm not asking for exceptions. I'm only just saying that I'm not exactly perfect. So maybe just keep that in mind when you read my posts. Thanks. [3, 4]   #70   Mar 25, '16, 5:17 pm mikekle Veteran Member   Join Date: August 3, 2012 Posts: 10,430 Religion: raised catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 Pervy guys harassing teens at a drive thru was common? I'm sure that it was illegal 20 years ago. But who actually called police for such things? Even the managers blew it off, most of the girls who worked drive thru were used to this kind of thing back then, Many of them were close friends of mine too, I never heard any of them suggest calling police over this though.   #71   Mar 25, '16, 6:48 pm gracepoole Senior Member   Join Date: June 25, 2011 Posts: 7,038 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by mikekle But who actually called police for such things? Even the managers blew it off, most of the girls who worked drive thru were used to this kind of thing back then, Many of them were close friends of mine too, I never heard any of them suggest calling police over this though. I'm really not so sure that what you're describing falls under the heading of the good ol' days... Some changes in communities over the generations are positive.   #72   Mar 26, '16, 8:44 am TheOrigen New Member   Join Date: January 5, 2015 Posts: 89 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by pnewton I understand, but a pinch should be no more that a traffic ticket. A citation should have been issued at most. We are so ridiculous now days we have to even define if assault was with or without contact. I think the point is such an action should not be a "crime" and should not result in "time". Well I have some bad news, because the more power over us we hand those in authority, the closer we are to sending toddlers to prison for referring to each other by the wrong stated gender. Seriously what world am I in?   #73   Mar 26, '16, 3:56 pm mikekle Veteran Member   Join Date: August 3, 2012 Posts: 10,430 Religion: raised catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by gracepoole I'm really not so sure that what you're describing falls under the heading of the good ol' days... Some changes in communities over the generations are positive. You are right some of the things that were commonplace in decades past were a bad thing, but like the post above, the powers that be, forcing such control on the population, almost to every aspect of our lives...that is not something we as americans should stand for. A great US patriot once said "when a people fear their government, there is tyranny, but when a government fears the people, there is liberty" Sadly though, in our times, the Govt has found an effective way to 'condition'/ brainwash, a large number of people into thinking they know what is best for the nation.   #74   Mar 27, '16, 5:17 pm Theo520 Regular Member   Join Date: August 8, 2014 Posts: 5,526 Religion: Christian Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Just Lurking It sounds to me as though everyone's problem is with Florida legislature, when they defined simple (misdemeanor) battery as actual and intentional touching or striking of another person against that person’s will. Misdemeanor battery is common law and pretty standard throughout the US. Lightly flicking a person's ear is battery, as is severely beating someone. In this case the legal question is if they boy had consented and was participating in the game. In the United States, common law requires the contact for battery be "harmful or offensive" as measured against a reasonable person standard. Looking at a contact objectively, as a reasonable person would see it, would this contact be offensive? When I was a kid, children pinching each other on St Pat's day would have been seen as reasonable/common but the standards have changed. Personally I expect the charges will be dropped by the mom since she has made her point and it's likely there was no physical 'harm' to his body, which can come from a severe pinch. __________________ FACTS MATTER!   #75   Mar 27, '16, 5:22 pm MaryT777 Forum Master   Join Date: November 23, 2012 Posts: 14,333 Religion: Catholic Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Theo520 Misdemeanor battery is common law and pretty standard throughout the US. Lightly flicking a person's ear is battery, as is severely beating someone. In this case the legal question is if they boy had consented and was participating in the game. In the United States, common law requires the contact for battery be "harmful or offensive" as measured against a reasonable person standard. Looking at a contact objectively, as a reasonable person would see it, would this contact be offensive? When I was a kid, children pinching each other on St Pat's day would have been seen as reasonable/common but the standards have changed. Personally I expect the charges will be dropped by the mom since she has made her point and it's likely there was no physical 'harm' to his body, which can come from a severe pinch. Thanks for the informative post. Mary. Mar 28, '16, 9:04 am Just Lurking Regular Member   Join Date: April 26, 2008 Posts: 2,863 Religion: A Professional Mathematician Just Trying to Follow Christ Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Theo520 Misdemeanor battery is common law and pretty standard throughout the US. Lightly flicking a person's ear is battery, as is severely beating someone. In this case the legal question is if they boy had consented and was participating in the game. In the United States, common law requires the contact for battery be "harmful or offensive" as measured against a reasonable person standard. Looking at a contact objectively, as a reasonable person would see it, would this contact be offensive? When I was a kid, children pinching each other on St Pat's day would have been seen as reasonable/common but the standards have changed. Personally I expect the charges will be dropped by the mom since she has made her point and it's likely there was no physical 'harm' to his body, which can come from a severe pinch. Perhaps you are discussing misdemeanor battery as a civil tort? The statute law for battery can be found in Florida's criminal code (see here): 784.03 Battery; felony battery.— (1)(a) The offense of battery occurs when a person: 1. Actually and intentionally touches or strikes another person against the will of the other; or 2. Intentionally causes bodily harm to another person. The applicable case here is (1)(a)1, which has no requirement for being "harmful or offensive". (Case (1)(a)2 says that even if the victim agrees, it is still wrong to cause bodily harm, e.g., "fight club" is illegal.) I do agree that a valid legal defense for the girl is that the boy had consented to play some sort of pinching game. However, I don't see any evidence from the news articles that this was so. As for the charges being dropped, I know of two kids in my neighborhood who were sentenced to 20 hours of community service for a similar offense, so I would bet on a similar outcome here.   #77   Mar 28, '16, 9:33 am mafh Junior Member   Join Date: October 21, 2011 Posts: 310 Religion: None Re: 12-year-old Florida girl charged after allegedly pinching boy's butt in school Quote: Originally Posted by Dwyer By 7th Grade and age 12, the girl should know better. She described it as a "popular game". The principal and the school staff and faculty should have put a stop to the "popular game" long ago. There's no discipline in the public school system. These teachers and the school administrators want an easy job and would rather not deal with it so they ignore all the bad behavior and sweep it under the rug to make their lives easier. My high school's principal was some guy who disappeared in an office all day, and as far as I could tell, did nothing and taught no classes and drew the highest pay check at the school. I don't think the things you are saying about teachers are quite fair. I read an article about how teachers only stay on the job an average of five years now, because the job is so stressful. They aren't allowed to discipline students, the parents almost invariably back up their children and not the teacher when there is a discipline problem, and the classroom environment is ruined by high stakes testing. I've read articles about first year teachers who cry every evening after school, work 60+ hours a week with all the grading, get paid poorly, and don't feel appreciated. I think the work environment for teachers had deteriorated significantly in the past 20 years or so. Anyway, I think you should try to put yourself in their shoes before issuing such blanket condemnations of public school teachers.