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Shows you just how untrustworthy polls
are, and why I put very little stock in them. Kasich has no "name brand"
recognition. Most of the country's never even heard of him or knows how
to pronounce his name.
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I think you are describing the average voter. These are the same
people who will ignore all the scandals and lies surrounding Hillary and
vote for her. But I guess it is easy to decide these things really
don't matter.
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Hi,
I just want to say besides pray, that is we survived 8 yrs of Obama. The
supreme Court will have 3 openings or more. Hillary ordered S TAND DOWN
WITH OBAMA ON BENGHAZI. My son was a contractor in Kabul at the embassy
then. He could have been in Benghazi. DO NOT FORGET DEC 7, 1941; 9,11,
2001; AND BENBHAZI. That is how she would act as Commander in chief.
Sean Hannity, Laura ?, Rudy Guiliani, all said if we don't get behind the populace winner, we put Hillary in.
Trump is new. He has to learn like they all do when they are In office.
He will have a cabinet. He is smart and will pick good men.Most of the
original candidates need to be his cabinets. If he is shoved out, there
won't be physical mayhem but verbal yellong and chair tossing. I can see
it. He is more trustworthy than Hillary. 4 yrs of Trump will still be
better than 8 yrs of Obama. New ideas. Some the Congress won't pass.
They won't make it easy on him. He'll find out he can't move 11 million
illegals, if he can't. SEE HIM AS A RICH AMERICAN WHO CARES ABOUT HIS
COUNTRY. HE CHANGED HIS VALUES FOR THIS JOB. A BUSINESS MAN WHO OWES NO
ONE. WHO WANTS TO SERVE US.
WE CAN'T HAVE HILLARY. HOPEFULLY, SHE WILL BE IN JAIL.
GOD HAS A PLAN. WHO WINS IS HIS PICK.. IF HILLARY GETS IT WE KILL MORE
BABIES. AT LEAST, TRUMP CHANGED HIS MIND ON THAT ISSUE. PLEASE STAY W
THE PLATFORM FOR LIFE..... REPUBLICAN.
GOD HELP US. HOLY spirit give us wisdom.
in Christ's love
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So abortions ended under Reagan, Bush 1&2? No, and they won't under Trump.
You die-hards have got to wake up. Republicans are NOT your friends. They never were.
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So you think Kasich is going to be the nominee over Trump or Cruz? And how will Trump supporters take to that?
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They'll riot in the streets.......as soon as that episode of Walking Dead is over. 
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This article has been posted earlier in this thread.
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/ne...erm=daily+news
Take a look at the comments. Majority are faithful Catholics, and they say they would vote for Trump.
I don't like Trump; I think he's fake.If I were in their position, I wouldn't vote for him.
Having said that, look at the reasons the people have cited. They're
sick and tired of Church leaders supporting illegal immigration and
other issues that are matters of prudential judgment.
While I vehemently disagree with their choice, I totally understand
where they're coming from. They're voting for Trump because they're sick
and tired of the establishment, and Church leaders being spineless when
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The Kasich "ascendency" and insistence that HE is the only one who can beat HRC totally cracks me up! .
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I can certainly imagine a lot of you Dems are happy about that. 
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Re: Trump Thread
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So you think Kasich is going to be the nominee over Trump or Cruz? And how will Trump supporters take to that?
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There will be a lot of commotion in Cleveland if that happens.
After that, they will try to vote every republican out of congress who
has conspired against trump, after which they are likely to never again
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Even if there is a sliver of truth in the links, I think you
should go ahead and indict the whole country. After all, there are
sinners here living in America, some of whom will vote for hillary,
others will vote for Cruz, so on and so forth.
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Kasich is the only one who can beat HRC totally cracks me up! .
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Ha, who has he beat to date? No-one, he has a dismal record in this rep
nomination process. I can't imagine who would believe that at this
point, you would have to gullible to the point of buying the Brooklyn
Bridge.
Honestly the only one with a "shot"of winning is Donald and that is the
low down dirty truth. I really think everyone should warm up to. The
sooner the better because the other fact is your "cooperation" is
required which is really the obstacle at the moment. Try not to believe
the democrats and everything you read and hear. 
I know everyone prefers the saintly path but this is the dirty politics
path. Take no prisoners approach obviously. They don't ask who won
politely only who won.
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Ha, who has he beat to date? No-one, he
has a dismal record in this rep nomination process. I can't imagine who
would believe that at this point, you would have to gullible to the
point of buying the Brooklyn Bridge.
Honestly the only one with a "shot"of winning is Donald and that is the
low down dirty truth. I really think everyone should warm up to. The
sooner the better because the other fact is your "cooperation" is
required which is really the obstacle at the moment. Try not to believe
the democrats and everything you read and hear.
I know everyone prefers the saintly path but this is the dirty politics
path. Take no prisoners approach obviously. They don't ask who won
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Come on Gary Taylor, don't you remember the good old days when we
had candidates so meek and mild, dignified and honorable, like John
McCain and Mitt Romney? Don't you miss those days? It's not nice to talk
about winning. Somebody's feelings will get hurt. Please be more
considerate in the future.
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Even if there is a sliver of truth in the links,
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No you simply can't do a Truman Capote and turn Donald into the
monster Hillary/Obama already are. The buzz word for the Democrats is
always "racist" its their last ace in the hole of a losing hand and
rather dull and boring really. I'm almost motivated to apologize for
their confusion and ignorance.
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Re: Trump Thread
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Mike,
Thank you for pointing that out.
I have spent a lifetime (more time than I want to admit) dealing with
community & state leaders. But one thing common among all of us is
that we hold in high esteem those that think like we do. Sadly, if you
think different? Get ready for the insults! Worse, I hope you don't
encounter the nuts that want to inflict physical harm simply because you
are of a different mindset.
The beauty about the Internet is that you (speaking in general to
everyone) would most likely never address someone in that same manner if
it were in person. In many of the Parish Halls that I have seen, most
people have quiet conversations among their small circle of family.
The downside of conversing with those on the Internet is the anonymity. There is no hesitation to speak your mind.
Although I find that I encounter some good insight from some people
with good & humbled wisdom, I also encounter the fools...
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You're welcome.
I remember reading somewhere "Rules for Internet Conversation" or
something like that, and one of those rules was always communicate with
the person as if he or she were actually right in front of you. What a
difference that makes!
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Re: Trump Thread
Don't forget there are also people who are part of the GOP establishment
who think Ted Cruz is unacceptable as the party's nomination as well.
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The downside of conversing with those on the Internet is the anonymity. There is no hesitation to speak your mind.
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I find that to be a plus in person though.
I find it refreshing and apparently so does Donald and much to the
dismay of many. I actually prefer getting right to the point. If some
odd rantings surface we can always discuss the issue. 97% of what people
think they don't verbalize. Those who verbalize a slight bit more in
honesty tend to gain more attention. Good leaders deal in black and
white not the grey area rants and make hard choices on the spot and on
the fly. No-where is that not the truth. No where. 
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The GOP establishment is in revolt against reality. They want a party
that's more like the Democratic party, because afterall, the times they
are a changin' and they have to become more inclusive. Thing is though,
as soon as the GOP moves more to the center, or even left of center in
some areas, the Democrats will have there excuse to move even further
left. It's already happening. And if you think it isn't, just try and
imagine Bernie Sanders running for President a few decades ago and
actually winning States. Typical response would be, "what do you think
about Bernie Sanders" ? followed by "are you nuts, the guy's an admitted
socialist" !
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Re: Trump Thread
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No you simply can't do a Truman Capote
and turn Donald into the monster Hillary/Obama already are. The buzz
word for the Democrats is always "racist" its their last ace in the hole
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But so many fall for this. Racist is the worst thing you can call
someone. Nobody ever stops to discern just exactly what constitutes
this. Same with Fascist and Nazi-like.
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Re: Trump Thread
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He supports the non-abortion activities of PP.
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So does Hillary.
Hillary supports PP including abortion.
Trump supports PP excluding abortion.
They're both PP cheerleaders.
It's not pro-life to support "the non-abortion activities of PP." Can
you name a single pro-life leader who has ever praised "the non-abortion
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Re: Trump Thread
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So the bottom line with your friend is that Trump is richer than when he started out?
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Obviously I did not express myself well.
No, part of the "bottom line" is that not all Trump supporters are
idiots who know nothing. If a guy with only a high school education can
end up instructing some of the best-trained people in this country and
others on highly technical (and vital) subjects can be a Trumper, then
it would be realistic for those who think all Trumpers are
knuckle-draggers.
Part is that one does not have to be a NR Yalie to have worthy judgment.
Part is that knowing which fork to use first at a fancy dinner party
(figuratively speaking) does not necessarily tell us anything about a
person except that a goodly part of his training and experience has been
in the niceties of etiquette.
Finally, and this really is difficult to express well, being able to
massively succeed in an extremely competitive world tells us some things
we need to know. Not the least of them is that it's very difficult and
very stressful. The notion being bandied about that somehow Trump had an
easy road to his wealth, is sorely mistaken and bespeaks a lack of
understanding what it takes to do things like my friend and Trump did.
That's not to say Hillary Clinton hasn't had difficulties and stress and
made strenuous efforts. She has. But the difference is that her success
has been in deceiving people and in selling influence. It's one thing
to gain wealth by producing a product people want. It's quite another to
sell the efforts and earnings of others. The first is "justice in
exchange". The second is theft.
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Democrats will have there excuse to move even further left. It's already happening.
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They may even wake up and discover just how in need of direction they really are.
And task master Obama is concerned about the extreme rhetoric in the
presidential race and is losing control, perhaps the democrats ought to
fall in line and follow as they usually do instead of playing the race
and hitler loony tune card on a daily basis in double standards. Perhaps
its more indicative of the troubled fractured party falling apart. They
no longer follow their leader and are aimlessly rebelling. And about
anything in emotional anger usually unfounded.
But then again controlling BLM, Occupy Wallstreet, the Universities, the
Black Panthers,the rioting and oddities has always been a issue for
Barrack and where he usually goes and plays golf to contemplate what he
never does anything about.
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But so many fall for this. Racist is the
worst thing you can call someone. Nobody ever stops to discern just
exactly what constitutes this. Same with Fascist and Nazi-like.
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Extreme thinking.
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Re: Trump Thread
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They may even wake up and discover just how in need of direction they really are.
And task master Obama is concerned about the extreme rhetoric in the
presidential race and is losing control, perhaps the democrats ought to
fall in line and follow as they usually do instead of playing the race
and hitler loony tune card on a daily basis in double standards. Perhaps
its more indicative of the troubled fractured party falling apart. They
no longer follow their leader and are aimlessly rebelling. And about
anything in emotional anger usually unfounded.
But then again controlling BLM, Occupy Wallstreet, the Universities, the
Black Panthers,the rioting and oddities has always been a issue for
Barrack and where he usually goes and plays golf to contemplate what he
never does anything about.
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Better get the facts straight. He has promoting the race card
violence against dissenters and anyone who disagrees with him as
communists. Cognitive dissonance runs thoughout this thread.
Vacation days
CBS White House reporter Mark Knoller is the unofficial but widely
trusted chronicler of data on presidential travels and other day-to-day
White House goings-on, so we turned to his calculations.
On Aug. 8, 2014, Knoller tweeted that Obama had taken 19 vacations totaling 125 days so far while in office. Those numbers have risen a bit due to the Martha’s Vineyard vacation, but that’s still many fewer than George W. Bush’s 65 combined trips to his Texas ranch and his parents’ home in Kennebunkport, Maine, which totaled 407 days at the same point in his presidency.
Not included in this data are trips to the Camp David presidential
retreat in western Maryland, which Knoller doesn’t count as "vacation."
Knoller told Yahoo! News that, through Aug. 12, 2014, Obama had made 33
visits to Camp David for all or part of 84 days, while Bush had been there 108 times for all or part of 341 days.
It goes against the teachings and statments of Pope Francis and the teachings of the Catholic Church.
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Re: Trump Thread
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But so many fall for this. Racist is the
worst thing you can call someone. Nobody ever stops to discern just
exactly what constitutes this. Same with Fascist and Nazi-like.
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I would guess that reality TV has influenced the way people think
on this. The question should be whether The Donald is a good choice for
the Republican nominee, not whether he's racist, fascist, Nazi-like etc.
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The point is the conversation is about should we or should we not
support Trump at the end of the day, its the only solution if need be.
Any other thinking and as suggested by many GOP and uttered as well by
Dem is a nod for Hillary.
Im not stating facts but a general impression observed for 8-years and
it really has not a thing to do with the Pope. Makes no difference who
took more vacation days or in fact who evoked more executive orders.
In fact Newt put this very well last night to paraphrase this is about
uniting and winning to defeat Hillary its not about being virtuous and
pious and losing in some weird relative comparison. There is no one with
the blood on their hands comparable to Hillary and Obama.
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Trump is clever at making money and deals, but that does not equate to having wisdom.
When it comes to understanding people, foreign policy that is humane,
and seeing all people as being part of God's creation, he lacks.
I know this will upset people here, but Barack Obama has wisdom.
If you can get past your mental blocks and listen to what he says, you will see it.
In fact, read how he served poor people and lived among them, and what
he wrote in his books before he decided to run for president, and you'll
see a deep thinking man, who has compassion for other human beings. He
has wisdom which Trump and Hillary can't touch.
Whether Trump or Hillary become the next president, remember these words, "you will miss President Obama in the White House."
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Don't forget there are also people who
are part of the GOP establishment who think Ted Cruz is unacceptable as
the party's nomination as well.
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If anyone but Trump is the party's nominee, I think Trump will
file some kind of objection in court and run third party and really
split the Republican vote.
If they go with Trump, his lies and insults are too numerous and too
deep. He's given Hillary far too much to work with to discredit him.
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Trump is clever at making money and deals, but that does not equate to having wisdom.
When it comes to understanding people, foreign policy that is humane,
and seeing all people as being part of God's creation, he lacks.
I know this will upset people here, but Barack Obama has wisdom.
If you can get past your mental blocks and listen to what he says, you will see it.
In fact, read how he served poor people and lived among them, and what
he wrote in his books before he decided to run for president, and you'll
see a deep thinking man, who has compassion for other human beings. He
has wisdom which Trump and Hillary can't touch.
Whether Trump or Hillary become the next president, remember these words, "you will miss President Obama in the White House."
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Barack Obama has wisdom:
He scoffs at people who cling to their religion and their guns.
He said, if you have a business, you didn't build it.
He flooded the White House with rainbow lights to celebrate the legalization of gay marriage.
His obamacare website has cost how many millions? And still doesn't work properly.
He believes global warming is a bigger problem than ISIS.
He lost the war in Iraq which was already won.
Marvelous wisdom he has!
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I know this will upset people here, but Barack Obama has wisdom.
Whether Trump or Hillary become the next president, remember these words, "you will miss President Obama in the White House."
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Actually I find it amusing, we simply need new blood driving the
Cadillac not more of this national security failure and further foreign
policy debacle. You couldn't have created more of a mess if you tried.
These people are driving impaired and thats as polite as I can get. A
designated driver is required not the other impaired rider in the
shotgun position. In other words we are looking for.......... new blood.
Imo they are out so the resume and qualifications really is a secondary
conversation imho.
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Originally Posted by Lily Bernans
If anyone but Trump is the party's
nominee, I think Trump will file some kind of objection in court and run
third party and really split the Republican vote.
If they go with Trump, his lies and insults are too numerous and too
deep. He's given Hillary far too much to work with to discredit him.
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What about hillary's barking?
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Trump is clever at making money and deals, but that does not equate to having wisdom.
When it comes to understanding people, foreign policy that is humane,
and seeing all people as being part of God's creation, he lacks.
I know this will upset people here, but Barack Obama has wisdom.
If you can get past your mental blocks and listen to what he says, you will see it.
In fact, read how he served poor people and lived among them, and what
he wrote in his books before he decided to run for president, and you'll
see a deep thinking man, who has compassion for other human beings. He
has wisdom which Trump and Hillary can't touch.
Whether Trump or Hillary become the next president, remember these words, "you will miss President Obama in the White House."
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Again, I think you are right. I think people are going to miss Obama in the White House.
I think he's done good things for the country against almost
insurmountable hostility from the other side, and I agree that he has
much wisdom. He's clear thinking and doesn't indulge in childish drama,
either. I trust him. I would trust anything I have to him.
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What about hillary's barking?
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Oh, come on! You know Hillary doesn't bark! That's Trump's trash
talk and not worthy of an Ohioan! I could go on and on about Trump's
lies and misogyny.
Let's put the trash talk aside, for our sake, for the sake of the board,
for the sake of the country. As Christians, neither one of us should
indulge in trash talk.
If that's the best Trump can come up with, he's got nothing. So
Hillary's laugh is not "pretty" and "feminine." I don't think people
care about that in a president.
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Perhaps in some relative secondary way, certainly not in the realm of
national security nor foreign policy, war and trade. He has failed
states and war everywhere, in my mind of good and evil I would compare
him to the later in the preternatural realm. In a March madness
comparative analogy its called "next man up" .
We'll build him a statue and those who bow to that can worship at the sight.
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Oh, come on! You know Hillary doesn't
bark! That's Trump's trash talk and not worthy of an Ohioan! I could go
on and on about Trump's lies and misogyny.
Let's put the trash talk aside, for our sake, for the sake of the board,
for the sake of the country. As Christians, neither one of us should
indulge in trash talk.
If that's the best Trump can come up with, he's got nothing. So
Hillary's laugh is not "pretty" and "feminine." I don't think people
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I didnt trash talk at all. You know what she did. The point is
hillary is not as smart as she is made out to be. Of course the dirt
will be and actually has been dug up on trump. He has been able to
handle it. Hillary? We will find out if she can take it.
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Barack Obama has wisdom:
He scoffs at people who cling to their religion and their guns.
He said, if you have a business, you didn't build it.
He flooded the White House with rainbow lights to celebrate the legalization of gay marriage.
His obamacare website has cost how many millions? And still doesn't work properly.
He believes global warming is a bigger problem than ISIS.
He lost the war in Iraq which was already won.
Marvelous wisdom he has!
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Regarding number three, I'm against it, too, but we don't live in a
Roman Catholic theocracy. If we did, I'd have a different idea.
If one's going to be a strict constructionist, I can see where gay marriage is unconstitutional.
I do have my own issues with the Obamacare website! I can see that as a legitimate criticism. It should work properly.
I scoff at people who cling to guns, too, and I'm strongly anti-gun, but
I don't see anyone, even Obama, scoffing at people who cling to
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Regarding number three, I'm against it,
too, but we don't live in a Roman Catholic theocracy. If we did, I'd
have a different idea.
If one's going to be a strict constructionist, I can see where gay marriage is unconstitutional.
I do have my own issues with the Obamacare website! I can see that as a legitimate criticism. It should work properly.
I scoff at people who cling to guns, too, and I'm strongly anti-gun, but
I don't see anyone, even Obama, scoffing at people who cling to
religion. How did he do that?
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Oh, come on! You know Hillary doesn't bark!
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Actually, she did.
Unless you believe that was a CGI Hillary with a synthesized bark?
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Barack Obama has wisdom:
He scoffs at people who cling to their religion and their guns.
He said, if you have a business, you didn't build it.
He flooded the White House with rainbow lights to celebrate the legalization of gay marriage.
His obamacare website has cost how many millions? And still doesn't work properly.
He believes global warming is a bigger problem than ISIS.
He lost the war in Iraq which was already won.
Marvelous wisdom he has!
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Like I said, you have to get passed your mental blocks to hear what he says
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I didnt trash talk at all. You know what
she did. The point is hillary is not as smart as she is made out to be.
Of course the dirt will be and actually has been dug up on trump. He has
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You perpetuated the trash talk by Trump.
Hillary barking, how bout listening to the context which she was speaking instead of clipping just that part ?
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Like I said, you have to get passed your mental blocks to hear what he says
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I didnt trash talk at all. You know what
she did. The point is hillary is not as smart as she is made out to be.
Of course the dirt will be and actually has been dug out on trump. He
has been able to handle it. Hillary? We will find out if she can take
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She's already taken a lot, going back to when Bill was president,
part of it from Bill himself. She's proven she's very strong. I think
she can take just about anything. Most of what they can fling at her has
already been flung, and she's still standing and ahead of Sanders, who
is pretty clean.
I have no problems with you disliking her a lot, that's your right, but I
do think she's extremely intelligent, and when it's time for Trump to
debate her and questions are asked on foreign policy, etc. Trump is
going to find himself out of his depth. Flinging insults, etc. won't
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I scoff at people who cling to guns, too, and I'm strongly anti-gun, but
I don't see anyone, even Obama, scoffing at people who cling to
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By declaring war on the Catholic Church to paraphrase Cruz. As far
as the 2nd amendment, in short its; Life, liberty and the pursuit of
happiness. Without life there is no liberty and without liberty there is
no pursuit of happiness and without the right to protect life all are
meaningless words. All the rights much to the confusion of many are
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You perpetuated the trash talk by Trump.
Hillary barking, how bout listening to the context which she was speaking instead of clipping just that part ?
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Not a cop out, but a failure on your part to understand what he was saying per your list.
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Its all you mentioned about that part of her talk, and be honest, it was to feed a negative about her, nothing more.
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No really. Remember all those links I posted to out-and-out lies
Trump has told? Those are verifiable things he's said. Do you really
want a liar like that as president? If he'll get up and lie to the
American public, who he wants to represent, he'll lie to anyone about
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I mentioned what she did. I'm not saying she is a dog, only she is not as smart as she seems.
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I would guess that reality TV has influenced the way people think on
this. The question should be whether The Donald is a good choice for the
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And when such smears are not even close to the truth:
"When Donald opened his club in Palm Beach called Mara-a-Lago, he
insisted on accepting Jews and blacks even though other clubs in Palm
Beach to this day discriminate against blacks and Jews," Kessler says.
Source: Author Kessler: We've Yet to See the 'Real Donald Trump'
How Jewish Values Help Ivanka Trump Stay Classy
"Not only is the outspoken Republican U.S. presidential candidate's
right-hand man a Jewish lawyer, but Donald Trump's daughter, Ivanka,
converted to Judaism."
Source: When It Comes to Jewish Connections, Trump Trumps His GOP Competitors
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That's an easy cop out!
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Actions speak louder than words. I don't want to hear the rhetoric
personally in fact I'm concerned with the results, National security
failure and foreign horror show are Obamas resume-fact.
The good good talk is meaningless. The assault on the Catholic Church is well documented-fact.
Talk is meaningless, Obamas resulted in horror and Trumps has no blood
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By declaring war on the Catholic Church
to paraphrase Cruz. As far as the 2nd amendment, in short its; Life,
liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Without life there is no liberty
and without liberty there is no pursuit of happiness and without the
right to protect life all are meaningless words. All the rights much to
the confusion of many are intimately connected.
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Again, this isn't a Roman Catholic theocracy, or I'd agree with
you. Some people honestly believe life does not begin until a child can
live outside the womb. Freedom of religion. And no one is being forced
to have an abortion by the government. Absolutely no one. It is, in
almost all cases, the choice of the mother-to-be. Her choice.
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Actions speak louder than words. I don't
want to hear the rhetoric personally in fact I'm concerned with the
results, National security failure and foreign horror show are Obamas
resume-fact.
The good good talk is meaningless. The assault on the Catholic Church is well documented-fact.
Talk is meaningless, Obamas resulted in horror and Trumps has no blood
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That's only because Trump has zero experience in politics. He has
failed businesses, he's exploited workers, etc. etc. The list goes on
and on.
And I see no assault on the Catholic Church by Obama.
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Another logical fallacy no one introduced but you. What it is
-separation of Church and State, in which case the Obama agenda crossed
the line and assaulted religious freedom.
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Some is non sequitur, most scholars world wide don't embrace this view.
Exactly what Cruz was talking about and Obama chose to assault this.
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And no one is being forced to have an abortion by the government.
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The CC is being forced to cooperate with the horror and as far as
the public they are led like sheep to the slaughter instead of being
correctly informed and supported. Its a hedonistic selfish path of, me
myself and I.
To act like an animal and act off the feelings with disregard for life. Even animals don't do that.
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That's only because Trump has zero
experience in politics. He has failed businesses, he's exploited
workers, etc. etc. The list goes on and on.
And I see no assault on the Catholic Church by Obama.
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But Trump has also been very successful in business, and his
failures only show he has the fortitude to get back up and keep trying.
But yes, he has no experience in politics and thinking he can order
members of Congress to vote the way he wants as he does with
subordinates in his business, just isn't going to happen.
He also seems to have an ignorance on which part of government is in
charge of passing laws and appropriating spending and levying taxes.
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Another logical fallacy no one introduced
but you. What it is -separation of Church and State, in which case the
Obama agenda crossed the line and assaulted religious freedom.
Some is non sequitur, most scholars world wide don't embrace this view.
Exactly what Cruz was talking about and Obama chose to assault this.
The CC id being forced to cooperate with the horror and as far as the
public they are led like sheep tothe slaughter instead of being
correctly informed and supported. Its a hedonistic selfish path of me
myself and I.
To act like an animal and act off the feelings with disregard for life. Even animals don't do that.
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Meaningless Obama/Hillary trash talk.
The Catholic Church isn't being forced to cooperate with anything. They
are free to hold any belief they like, and I repeat, we are not in
China; the government is forcing NO ONE of ANY FAITH or even NO FAITH to
have an abortion. The decision, in 99.999% of the cases, is the
MOTHER'S.
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That's only because Trump has zero experience in politics. .
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No, I propose no double standard. Abortion has been legal since
1973, so by your logic, every Republican president we've had since then
has forced something you won't define on the Catholic Church. By my
logic, all of the president have been following what the SC, a
Republican SC, deemed constitutional.
I am Catholic. I grew up in a Carmelite monastery. I didn't visit it; I
actually lived there from the age of five till eighteen. If I were
raped, because I am not a fornicator, and became pregnant, I don't feel
ANYONE or ANYTHING would pressure me to have an abortion. Certainly not
the government. They don't care if I would or wouldn't. And, as I said,
it is the MOTHER who makes the decision. Every Catholic woman is free to
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Meaningless Obama/Hillary trash talk.
The Catholic Church isn't being forced to cooperate with anything. .
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The lawsuits obviously disagree with your opinion. Its not trash talk its a factual reality.
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I'm not sure how a Catholic can vote for a man that has such disdain for marriage.
“Often, I will tell friends whose wives are constantly nagging them
about this or that that they’re better off leaving and cutting their
losses,” Trump wrote. “I’m not a great believer in always trying to work
things out, because it just doesn’t happen that way.”
“For a man to be successful he needs support at home, just like my
father had from my mother, not someone who is always griping and
bitching,” he continued. “When a man has to endure a woman who is not
supportive and complains constantly about his not being home enough or
not being attentive enough, he will not be very successful unless he is
able to cut the cord.”
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The lawsuits obviously disagree with your opinion. Its not trash talk its a factual reality.
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I think they agree. In 1992, another Republican SC had the
opportunity to strike a blow against Roe v Wade, and they declined to do
so, so obviously, they believe abortion is a woman's constitutional
right.
It seems you don't believe in personal responsibility. If abortion were
illegal, how should a woman who has one be punished? We've been through
this before. You could come up with no answers.
This is not a Roman Catholic theocracy. Take off your blinders. We don't
have the right to step on the faith of others any more than they have
the right to step on ours. Just because abortion is legal doesn't mean
Catholic women have to have one. They don't.
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No, I propose no double standard.
Abortion has been legal since 1973, so by your logic, every Republican
president we've had since then has forced something you won't define on
the Catholic Church. By my logic, all of the president have been
following what the SC, a Republican SC, deemed constitutional.
I am Catholic. I grew up in a Carmelite monastery. I didn't visit it; I
actually lived there from the age of five till eighteen. If I were
raped, because I am not a fornicator, and became pregnant, I don't feel
ANYONE or ANYTHING would pressure me to have an abortion. Certainly not
the government. They don't care if I would or wouldn't. And, as I said,
it is the MOTHER who makes the decision. Every Catholic woman is free to
NOT have an abortion.
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It is a choice in some sense, but not a morally licit one.
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It is a choice in some sense, but not a morally licit one.
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No one is forcing a Catholic woman to have an abortion. This isn't China. The immoral choice comes from the mother.
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“Often, I will tell friends whose wives
are constantly nagging them about this or that that they’re better off
leaving and cutting their losses,” Trump wrote. “I’m not a great believer in always trying to work things out, because it just doesn’t happen that way.”
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I wonder if someone who is not willing to try and work things out
would make a good President. What would happen if he had to work things
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No, I propose no double standard..
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Sure you did and in ignorance as Obama had NO experience
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Wrong is wrong an even if everyone believes wrongly its still wrong.
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so by your logic, every Republican president we've had since then has forced something you won't define on the Catholic Church.
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Thats your logic please don't assign to me as its lacking as we see post by post.
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By my logic, all of the president have been following what the SC, a Republican SC, deemed constitutional.
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Whats constitutional and then right or wrong is debatable. many
things such as slavery were considered constitutional The statement is
misleading and in fact wrong.
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I am Catholic. I grew up in a Carmelite monastery. I didn't visit it; I
actually lived there from the age of five till eighteen..
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You've stated a million different facts about hats you wear, and
all really don't impress me.I'm sorry if that hurts your feelings. That
has no weight with me in virtual reality you may be anything including a
Bishop but if your not a disciple of Christ its moot.
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If I were raped, because I am not a fornicator, and became pregnant, I
don't feel ANYONE or ANYTHING would pressure me to have an abortion.
Certainly not the government. They don't care if I would or wouldn't.
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No one suggested the 5% of incest rape and life of the mother we are talking the other 95% and in fact completely unneeded.
Sorry I see no point here.
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