Re: Colombia legalises gay marriage

Apr 29, '16, 10:58 am

Thorolfr Regular Member   Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA)

Colombia legalises gay marriage From today's BBC News: Quote: Colombia's top court has legalised same-sex marriage, making the country the fourth in Latin America to do so. Gay couples were already allowed to form civil partnerships, but Thursday's ruling extends them the same marriage rights as heterosexual couples. Earlier this month the constitutional court dismissed a judge's petition against equal marriage rights for heterosexual and homosexual couples. Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay have previously legalised same-sex marriage. Argentina was the first Latin American country to take the step in July 2010. In Mexico, gay marriage is legal in the capital and in certain states. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-36166888

#2   Apr 29, '16, 12:33 pm

_Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior   Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,520 Religion: Catholic

Re: Colombia legalises gay marriage Once again court imposed. Presumably by unelected judges? __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org

#3   Apr 29, '16, 12:55 pm

Ojo Feliz Regular Member   Join Date: April 4, 2016 Posts: 719

Re: Colombia legalises gay marriage Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia Once again court imposed. Presumably by unelected judges? Judges on the Constitutional Court are elected by the Senate of Colombia. A judge on the Constitutional Court serves an 8 year term. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consti...rt_of_Colombia

#4   Apr 29, '16, 3:18 pm

Joseph3 Banned   Join Date: March 17, 2016 Posts: 2,137 Religion: Catholic

Re: Colombia legalises gay marriage The leftist governments of nations like Colombia are using their power to force same-sex marriage on the people. Catholic Colombia should not tolerate this. It is judicial tyranny.

#5   Apr 29, '16, 3:21 pm

Padres1969 Regular Member   Join Date: October 28, 2015 Posts: 5,291 Religion: Episcopalian

Re: Colombia legalises gay marriage Quote: Originally Posted by Ojo Feliz Judges on the Constitutional Court are elected by the Senate of Colombia. A judge on the Constitutional Court serves an 8 year term. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consti...rt_of_Colombia So not un-elected judges...

#6   Apr 29, '16, 4:05 pm

_Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior   Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,520 Religion: Catholic

Re: Colombia legalises gay marriage Quote: Originally Posted by Padres1969 So not un-elected judges... They are not elected by the public in the same way politicians are but they are elected by the Senate who are given a list of candidate for that court. __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org

#7   Apr 29, '16, 4:08 pm

Thorolfr Regular Member   Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA)

Re: Colombia legalises gay marriage Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia They are not elected by the public in the same way politicians are but they are elected by the Senate who are given a list of candidate for that court. I don't think that it's a good idea for judges to be elected by popular vote. When this happens, a judge might be afraid to rule in a way that is consistent with the constitution or the law and will be swayed instead by popular opinion.

#8   Apr 29, '16, 4:10 pm

Padres1969 Regular Member   Join Date: October 28, 2015 Posts: 5,291 Religion: Episcopalian

Re: Colombia legalises gay marriage Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr I don't think that it's a good idea for judges to be elected by popular vote. When this happens, a judge might be afraid to rule in a way that is consistent with the constitution or the law and will be swayed instead by popular opinion. Exactly. Which is why we appoint the Supreme Ct for life in the US.

#9   Apr 29, '16, 5:11 pm

Dwyer Regular Member   Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic

Re: Colombia legalises gay marriage Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr I don't think that it's a good idea for judges to be elected by popular vote. When this happens, a judge might be afraid to rule in a way that is consistent with the constitution or the law and will be swayed instead by popular opinion. Yeah, that's called "Democracy". Well, just don't pretend anymore that it is "WE, The People" who establish and ordain the Constitution" when you have a small cabal of Elitist lawyers interpreting what the Constitution means for all us "yokels". You have to admit it's ridiculous either to a small or a great degree that nine Ivy League or University of Chicago educated Justices get the final word over the entire citizenry of a nation. This is more Benthamism being imposed by the World Brotherhood and Sisterhood of the Judiciary and Attorneys upon what they consider as the mob of humanity When I read news stories like this, it reminds me of a passage from The Lord of the Rings: From The Fellowship of the Ring: The Ring Goes South Quote: 'I wonder if this is a contrivance of the Enemy,' said Boromir. "They say in my land that he can govern the storms in the Mountains of Shadow that stand upon the borders of Mordor. He has strange powers and many allies.' 'His arm has grown long indeed,' said Gimli, `if he can draw snow down from the North to trouble us here three hundred leagues away.' 'His arm has grown long,' said Gandalf. Quote: 181-year-old corpse of Jeremy Bentham attends University College London board meeting http://metro.co.uk/2013/07/12/181-year-old-corpse-of-jeremy-bentham-attends-ucl-board-meeting-3879586/ __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)

#10   Apr 29, '16, 5:45 pm

Little Sheep Regular Member   Join Date: January 4, 2016 Posts: 1,766 Religion: Episcopalian

Re: Colombia legalises gay marriage Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr From today's BBC News: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-36166888 Excellent. Many blessings to Columbia for supporting families!

#11   Apr 29, '16, 6:19 pm

ComplineSanFran Regular Member   Join Date: June 17, 2015 Posts: 2,519 Religion: Anglican

Re: Colombia legalises gay marriage Quote: Originally Posted by Dwyer You have to admit it's ridiculous either to a small or a great degree that nine Ivy League or University of Chicago educated Justices get the final word over the entire citizenry of a nation. ] I know. I was horrified too, after the Supreme Court decided the election of our President in 2000. I still get upset. It shouldn't have happened.

#12   Apr 29, '16, 6:21 pm

Little Sheep Regular Member   Join Date: January 4, 2016 Posts: 1,766 Religion: Episcopalian

Re: Colombia legalises gay marriage Quote: Originally Posted by ComplineSanFran I know. I was horrified too, after the Supreme Court decided the election of our President in 2000. I still get upset. It shouldn't have happened. What are you gonna do?

#13   Apr 29, '16, 6:49 pm

_Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior   Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,520 Religion: Catholic

Re: Colombia legalises gay marriage Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr I don't think that it's a good idea for judges to be elected by popular vote. When this happens, a judge might be afraid to rule in a way that is consistent with the constitution or the law and will be swayed instead by popular opinion. There are many people who would probably say in terms of the US, that under the current system, judges are not ruling in line with the Constitution. __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org

#14   Apr 29, '16, 7:16 pm

FractalFire Junior Member   Join Date: November 17, 2015 Posts: 381 Religion: Christian (Presbyterian...ish)

Re: Colombia legalises gay marriage :Sarcasm mode: Strange that these new rights keep reappearing whenever some judge reexamines the founding documents -- right to abortion, right to Euthanasia, right-to-whatever-the-left-wants. Why soon I wouldn't be surprised if they discovered that gun restrictions were a constitutional right required for the safety of the general public! After all, citizens have a right to be safe! Right? One wonders what those illiterate judges a hundred years ago were doing, reading the constitution and not finding all these rights that are obviously there -- I mean, its right under their noses in print. I wonder what other rights our current judges are missing? Oh well, I'm sure we'll find out in a few years.

#15   Apr 29, '16, 8:52 pm

Sy Noe Senior Member   Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,022 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith

Re: Colombia legalises gay marriage Quote: Originally Posted by Little Sheep What are you gonna do? You mean after the 2000 election was decided by the Republican controlled SCOTUS by a 5-4 vote? Uh I dunno. Maybe elect and reelect Barack Obama and then elect Hillary Clinton to follow him? __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)      Apr 30, '16, 4:41 am josie L Forum Elder   Join Date: October 24, 2008 Posts: 18,591 Religion: Catholic Re: Colombia legalises gay marriage Well, this is definitely not the will of the people! __________________ Don't say: "That person gets on my nerves." Think: "That person sanctifies me." St. Josemaria Escriva   #17   Apr 30, '16, 4:51 am _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior   Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,520 Religion: Catholic Re: Colombia legalises gay marriage Some weeks ago I posted this story on a thread: 2 million Colombians request referendum to ban gay adoption http://colombiareports.com/2-million...n-sex-couples/ __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org