Re: Donald Trump’s (So Far) Unstoppable Run Leaves Neoconservatives Out in the Cold

Mar 13, '16, 4:27 am

Dwyer Regular Member   Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic

Donald Trump’s (So Far) Unstoppable Run Leaves Neoconservatives Out in the Cold Quote: Donald Trump’s ascent in the Republican presidential race has presented one group of Republicans with something more than just concern about the fate of their party. For neoconservatives, a Trump nomination could mean an extension of their sentence in a political Siberia. “I’d vote for Hillary Clinton rather than Trump or Cruz,” said Kenneth Adelman, a Reagan administration veteran who was a Pentagon adviser during the Iraq War, which he famously predicted beforehand “would be a cakewalk” . . . Despite Clinton’s own record of voting for the Iraq War — which she now says was “a mistake” — and her unsuccessful arguments as secretary of state in the Obama administration for stronger U.S. action to stop the slaughter in Syria, this is one step too far for other neoconservatives. William Kristol, editor of The Weekly Standard, has instead been advocating for a third-party candidate, calling this a “one-time, emergency adjustment to the unfortunate circumstance (if it happens) of a Trump nomination.” “I’d vote for Hillary Clinton rather than Trump or Cruz” . . . unbelievable. And not voting means you don't care who wins. Neoconservatives fear the political wilderness if Trump is elected President. http://forward.com/news/335513/donal...ro-item-text-1 __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)

#2   Mar 13, '16, 4:46 am

GaryTaylor Forum Elder   Join Date: March 30, 2010 Posts: 26,098 Religion: Catholic

Re: Donald Trump’s (So Far) Unstoppable Run Leaves Neoconservatives Out in the Cold The foolish republicans will be the cause of their own demise. And further Bernie and Trump appear as the only two who don't want to wage war everywhere in the world. I think Bernie followers should join the Trump campaign and stand for the Free Speech and American rights they appear confused about. And the RNC ought to hand out pamphlets to their candidates and remind them what the core conservative principles are because apparently they are a bit confused about Free Speech also.

#3   Mar 13, '16, 5:07 am

Vouthon Senior Member   Join Date: November 1, 2010 Posts: 7,140 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: Donald Trump’s (So Far) Unstoppable Run Leaves Neoconservatives Out in the Cold Quote: Originally Posted by GaryTaylor The foolish republicans Amazing. Amazing that I'm hearing those two words on CAF. How fickle people are. Amazing. __________________ With insight into the futility of narrow nationalistic politics, the countries of Europe which have agreed to delegate sovereignty to a supranational organism have embarked on a salutary way - Pope Pius XII (1957)

#4   Mar 13, '16, 5:28 am

GaryTaylor Forum Elder   Join Date: March 30, 2010 Posts: 26,098 Religion: Catholic

Re: Donald Trump’s (So Far) Unstoppable Run Leaves Neoconservatives Out in the Cold No idea what your talking about V surely not me? I'm talking about Free Speech and apparently most of America is contemplating their own confusion today also. Trump and Carson doubled down on Free Speech this morning also Its all over the news today and what will the lost do? Will they back free speech and Americas rights or double down on foolishness. http://www.bostonherald.com/news/col...d_by_thugs_and Quote: The Trump train has new fuel. There’s no way the thugs and left-wing political groups that shut down Donald Trump’s Chicago rally on Friday night are going to silence the Republican front-runner or dissuade millions of his supporters from voting for him. Every American should be outraged that protesters so blatantly stomped on the right to free speech. But instead of politicians on both sides of the aisle coming to Trump’s defense, they either stayed silent or said that he created a “toxic” environment and “had it coming” for his “divisive” speech and “offensive” insults. Ted Cruz pretends to be a fierce protector of the Constitution, yet when a fellow Republican’s rights were so blatantly violated, he showed voters that talk is cheap. He chose to score some cheap political points and blame Trump for the protest when he should have been defending Trump’s right to take to the stage and speak his mind. Talk about double standards and a blow to the First Amendment. For starters, Hillary Clinton is guilty of insulting rhetoric — remember when she compared Republicans to terrorists last August? Did Republican-backed groups shut down her campaign events? Of course not. Yet if the shoe was on the other foot and Hillary Clinton’s rally was shut down by Republican activist groups, left-leaning media and liberals would go berserk. They’d suddenly become defenders of the Constitution, saying all Americans have a right to free speech and protesters and “bullies” should take a hike. Hypocrisy, indeed. Trump supporters see it. As do millions of Americans who want a fair shake. We’re all supposed to be equal under the law. It’s ironic that liberals — especially pols like Clinton and Bernie Sanders — wax poetic about “equality,” yet when it comes to free speech they only want Democratic candidates to enjoy it — without protest.

#5   Mar 13, '16, 5:51 am

Peter J Forum Elder   Join Date: April 7, 2008 Posts: 17,586 Religion: Catholic

Re: Donald Trump’s (So Far) Unstoppable Run Leaves Neoconservatives Out in the Cold Two things. First about Quote: William Kristol, editor of The Weekly Standard, has instead been advocating for a third-party candidate, calling this a “one-time, emergency adjustment to the unfortunate circumstance (if it happens) of a Trump nomination.” I've always found Bill Kristol to be a good commentator, but I have to strongly disagree with him about running a third-party candidate. The way I see it, if we don't stop Trump in the primaries and we don't stop him at the convention then that's it. There should not be a third attempt at stopping him (which would just be another way of saying "helping Hillary"). Second, I'd like to say a word to everyone about Donald Trump’s (So Far) Unstoppable Run. Trump has been called "Teflon Don" (not to be confused with the teflon don) ever since last July when his poll number rose after he did things like insult John McCain and other P.O.W.s. Everyone was saying "Whoa! Trump's support is doing fine after he did ______ . How can that be? Conventional wisdom says his support should be plummeting!" Since then, practically every week we've seen a new example of how he's "Teflon Don", i.e. of how nothing he does seems to hurt him. Or as some like to say, how conventional wisdom failed on numerous occasions. Now here's what I'm thinking: now the conventional wisdom is that Trump is "Teflon Don" right? That's been demonstrated over and over. But then what if at some point that conventional wisdom fails, and suddenly everyone is saying "Whoa! Trump's support is plummeting after he did ______ . How can that be? Conventional wisdom says he's Teflon Don!" Last edited by Peter J; Mar 13, '16 at 6:04 am.

#6   Mar 13, '16, 5:52 am

pnewton Forum Elder   Join Date: June 1, 2004 Posts: 34,025 Religion: Catholic

Re: Donald Trump’s (So Far) Unstoppable Run Leaves Neoconservatives Out in the Cold Quote: Originally Posted by GaryTaylor The foolish republicans will be the cause of their own demise. Quote: Originally Posted by Vouthon Amazing. Amazing that I'm hearing those two words on CAF. I am more amazed by the idea of Donald Trump as the Republican nominee. Not the party of the rich? __________________ "Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in." - Jesus Nooo!! I didn't mean it!

#7   Mar 13, '16, 5:56 am

Vouthon Senior Member   Join Date: November 1, 2010 Posts: 7,140 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: Donald Trump’s (So Far) Unstoppable Run Leaves Neoconservatives Out in the Cold Quote: Originally Posted by GaryTaylor No idea what your talking about V surely not me? Oh no, nothing directed towards you personally Gary I assure you. I am merely expressing my amazed amusement at how swiftly CAF'ers who have defended the GOP left-right-and-centre for nearly 14 years have "dumped it" to embrace the Donald. I find it very eye-opening as regards the fickle character of human nature. __________________ With insight into the futility of narrow nationalistic politics, the countries of Europe which have agreed to delegate sovereignty to a supranational organism have embarked on a salutary way - Pope Pius XII (1957)

#8   Mar 13, '16, 5:56 am

GaryTaylor Forum Elder   Join Date: March 30, 2010 Posts: 26,098 Religion: Catholic

Re: Donald Trump’s (So Far) Unstoppable Run Leaves Neoconservatives Out in the Cold Apparently there is only one party speaking up on free speech and in case no one heard its "under attack". I'm not moving from that point, don't want to discuss anything else.

#9   Mar 13, '16, 5:56 am

Vouthon Senior Member   Join Date: November 1, 2010 Posts: 7,140 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: Donald Trump’s (So Far) Unstoppable Run Leaves Neoconservatives Out in the Cold Quote: Originally Posted by pnewton I am more amazed by the idea of Donald Trump as the Republican nominee. Not the party of the rich? __________________ With insight into the futility of narrow nationalistic politics, the countries of Europe which have agreed to delegate sovereignty to a supranational organism have embarked on a salutary way - Pope Pius XII (1957)

#10   Mar 13, '16, 6:00 am

GaryTaylor Forum Elder   Join Date: March 30, 2010 Posts: 26,098 Religion: Catholic

Re: Donald Trump’s (So Far) Unstoppable Run Leaves Neoconservatives Out in the Cold Free Speech, and what say you??? Your silence is deafening!!!! Thats a core conservative principle. Or not for the pretender candidates? They are starting to sound mono tone like Bernie.

#11   Mar 13, '16, 8:18 am

randomuser Regular Member   Join Date: August 27, 2013 Posts: 2,147

Re: Donald Trump’s (So Far) Unstoppable Run Leaves Neoconservatives Out in the Cold Quote: Originally Posted by GaryTaylor Apparently there is only one party speaking up on free speech and in case no one heard its "under attack". I'm not moving from that point, don't want to discuss anything else. And who's speaking up for the view that it's kinda sorta not that "pro-life" to be praising Planned Parenthood to the extent that Trump has? And these are the same people who want to hold up Scalia's replacement? 2016: the year bona fide "pro-life" was thrown under the bus.

#12   Mar 13, '16, 8:18 am

Memaw Veteran Member   Join Date: October 30, 2006 Posts: 9,596 Religion: Catholic

Re: Donald Trump’s (So Far) Unstoppable Run Leaves Neoconservatives Out in the Cold Quote: Originally Posted by GaryTaylor The foolish republicans will be the cause of their own demise. And further Bernie and Trump appear as the only two who don't want to wage war everywhere in the world. I think Bernie followers should join the Trump campaign and stand for the Free Speech and American rights they appear confused about. And the RNC ought to hand out pamphlets to their candidates and remind them what the core conservative principles are because apparently they are a bit confused about Free Speech also. Where do you get the idea that Trump doesn't want to "wage" war!!! He has said many times he would go after Muslims and even kill their families. Wipe them off the face of the earth I believe he said. God Bless, Memaw

#13   Mar 13, '16, 8:21 am

queenofheartscv Regular Member   Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,398 Religion: Catholic

Re: Donald Trump’s (So Far) Unstoppable Run Leaves Neoconservatives Out in the Cold Quote: Originally Posted by Memaw Where do you get the idea that Trump doesn't want to "wage" war!!! He has said many times he would go after Muslims and even kill their families. Wipe them off the face of the earth I believe he said. God Bless, Memaw He didn't say he wants to go after muslims. He wants to go after terrorists and their families if they are involved in terrorism. He didn't say he wants to wipe anybody off the face of the earth. He wants to defeat ISIS and move on so our country can be rebuilt. If you are going to say things that are not true, at least try to quote a link for reference?

#14   Mar 13, '16, 8:26 am

GaryTaylor Forum Elder   Join Date: March 30, 2010 Posts: 26,098 Religion: Catholic

Re: Donald Trump’s (So Far) Unstoppable Run Leaves Neoconservatives Out in the Cold Quote: Originally Posted by Memaw Where do you get the idea that Trump doesn't want to "wage" war!!! He has said many times he would go after Muslims and even kill their families. Wipe them off the face of the earth I believe he said. God Bless, Memaw I'm talking specifically about the stance on Israel, Iran and Russia. I'm not concerned with Isis. They are all war mongers and really all there is to it except Trump and Bernie in fact. Thanks and God Bless.

#15   Mar 13, '16, 9:33 am

Darryl1958 Forum Master   Join Date: December 22, 2008 Posts: 14,260 Religion: Unlisted

Re: Donald Trump’s (So Far) Unstoppable Run Leaves Neoconservatives Out in the Cold Quote: Originally Posted by GaryTaylor The foolish republicans will be the cause of their own demise. And further Bernie and Trump appear as the only two who don't want to wage war everywhere in the world. I think Bernie followers should join the Trump campaign and stand for the Free Speech and American rights they appear confused about. And the RNC ought to hand out pamphlets to their candidates and remind them what the core conservative principles are because apparently they are a bit confused about Free Speech also. A Republican party under Trump would have no point to exist anyway. He has none of the values that Republicans have stood for over the years. A conservative party that is conservative in name only is no longer conservative.        Mar 13, '16, 9:33 am Darryl1958 Forum Master   Join Date: December 22, 2008 Posts: 14,260 Religion: Unlisted Re: Donald Trump’s (So Far) Unstoppable Run Leaves Neoconservatives Out in the Cold Quote: Originally Posted by GaryTaylor The foolish republicans will be the cause of their own demise. And further Bernie and Trump appear as the only two who don't want to wage war everywhere in the world. I think Bernie followers should join the Trump campaign and stand for the Free Speech and American rights they appear confused about. And the RNC ought to hand out pamphlets to their candidates and remind them what the core conservative principles are because apparently they are a bit confused about Free Speech also. A Republican party under Trump would have no point to exist anyway. He has none of the values that Republicans have stood for over the years. A conservative party that is conservative in name only is no longer conservative.