Re: Eleven US states oppose transgender schools edict
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I'm surprised Missouri didn't join in.
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Yes, given how active the state legislature has been on social
conservative issues, I too would have expected the state to join in the
lawsuit.
The governor of Missouri is a Democrat, as is the state Attorney
General. That might explain why Missouri didn't participate, although I
don't know.
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Re: Eleven US states oppose transgender schools edict
Nothing will stop the politically correct religion until it is recognised as such.
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Re: Eleven US states oppose transgender schools edict
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The plaintiffs include Alabama, Wisconsin, West Virginia, Tennessee,
Oklahoma, Louisiana, Utah, Georgia, the governor of Maine and the
Arizona Department of Education.
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The only one on this list that is a little surprising is Maine,
mostly only because I have a biased view of East coast liberal
tendencies. 
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Re: Eleven US states oppose transgender schools edict
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Sure you wanna support the Confederacy in
a conversation like this one? Opponents to this edict definitely don't
want it described as a civil rights issue. Might want to rethink
championing a pro-slavery entity here...
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Grace, I'm sure he is referring to states rights, not championing slavery.
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Re: Eleven US states oppose transgender schools edict
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Grace, I'm sure he is referring to states rights, not championing slavery.
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Obviously. But it isn't possible to separate states rights and
slavery when discussing the Confederacy. Hence the raised eyebrow when
anyone applauds the Confederacy...
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Re: Eleven US states oppose transgender schools edict
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Sure you wanna support the Confederacy in
a conversation like this one? Opponents to this edict definitely don't
want it described as a civil rights issue. Might want to rethink
championing a pro-slavery entity here...
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I support the spirit of the Confederacy.
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I would think this lawsuit will have some merit. The totalitarian action
of the Obama czar's has been appalling and over-bearing. Surely local
decision makers are far better to deal with the specific individuals who
have special psychological needs without making all the girls undress
with a boy in the same locker room. For the LGBTQBP crowd though, there
can be no compromise. Normal heterosexual boys and girls have no more
rights.
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Re: Eleven US states oppose transgender schools edict
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I support the spirit of the Confederacy.
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Part of the "spirit of the Confederacy" was slavery. It's worth a head scratch that a Catholic would express support for it.
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I don't remember any transgendered kids the entire time I was in public school (K-12).
The closest I remember was a boy student in Elementary school who would
strip naked and then go into the Girl's Bathroom but he always dressed
and acted like a boy.
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Re: Eleven US states oppose transgender schools edict
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Obviously. But it isn't possible to
separate states rights and slavery when discussing the Confederacy.
Hence the raised eyebrow when anyone applauds the Confederacy...
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Correct. The only states right that was at issue in the Civil War was the right to own slaves
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Re: Eleven US states oppose transgender schools edict
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Part of the "spirit of the Confederacy" was slavery. It's worth a head scratch that a Catholic would express support for it.
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Part of the spirit of the Union was slavery. The Union had slave
states. It's leader said he had no intention of interfering with slavery
and he supported an amendment to the constitution which protected
slavery. If we talked about the spirit of the United States isn't the
fact we have widespread abortion the same or worse as having slavery?
Reducing the Confederacy to slavery is Union propaganda to build up the
all powerful nation state which does things like protect abortion and
spread chaos concerning sex.
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Re: Eleven US states oppose transgender schools edict
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Part of the spirit of the Union was
slavery. The Union had slave states. It's leader said he had no
intention of interfering with slavery and he supported an amendment to
the constitution which protected slavery. If we talked about the spirit
of the United States isn't the fact we have widespread abortion the same
or worse as having slavery? Reducing the Confederacy to slavery is
Union propaganda to build up the all powerful nation state which does
things like protect abortion and spread chaos concerning sex.
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Great post. Thanks.
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Re: Eleven US states oppose transgender schools edict
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Part of the spirit of the Union was
slavery. The Union had slave states. It's leader said he had no
intention of interfering with slavery and he supported an amendment to
the constitution which protected slavery. If we talked about the spirit
of the United States isn't the fact we have widespread abortion the same
or worse as having slavery? Reducing the Confederacy to slavery is
Union propaganda to build up the all powerful nation state which does
things like protect abortion and spread chaos concerning sex.
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The North, after being attacked , went to war to preserve the
Union The south seceded over the issue of slavery.There would have been
no war absent slavery And the war most certainly became about slavery in
September 1862 when Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation.
Lincoln only freed the slaves in the rebellious states because he had no
power to free them in the northern states. He freed them under the
theory that being they were being used to advance the Southern War
Effort they were contrabands at war and he could free them to undermine
the Southern war effort This is why when the North began using black
troops they were referred to as "contrabands"
The idea that the war was not fought over slavery came about only after
the war ended and the Southerners started advancing the "lost cause"
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Re: Eleven US states oppose transgender schools edict
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The North, after being attacked , went to
war to preserve the Union The south seceded over the issue of
slavery.There would have been no war absent slavery And the war most
certainly became about slavery in September 1862 when Lincoln issued the
Emancipation Proclamation. Lincoln only freed the slaves in the
rebellious states because he had no power to free them in the northern
states. He freed them under the theory that being they were being used
to advance the Southern War Effort they were contrabands at war and he
could free them to undermine the Southern war effort This is why when
the North began using black troops they were referred to as
"contrabands"
The idea that the war was not fought over slavery came about only after
the war ended and the Southerners started advancing the "lost cause"
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How is it the South was wrong if they did in fact secede to
preserve slavery (a simplistic reduction of the issues) in a battle
against another country that itself had slaves? The only difference was
secession.
By the way the British freed the slaves during the Revolutionary War.
Lots of other armies throughout history did the same. Lincoln was an
attorney so he didn't do anything without an explanation. Of course his
explanations were all simply justifications for his actions no matter
how illegal, immoral or at odds with decency.
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Re: Eleven US states oppose transgender schools edict
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How is it the South was wrong if they did
in fact secede to preserve slavery (a simplistic reduction of the
issues) in a battle against another country that itself had slaves? The
only difference was secession.
By the way the British freed the slaves during the Revolutionary War.
Lots of other armies throughout history did the same. Lincoln was an
attorney so he didn't do anything without an explanation. Of course his
explanations were all simply justifications for his actions no matter
how illegal, immoral or at odds with decency.
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The South made no bones about the fact they were seceding over
slavery Goresd the source focumentsvatvJames Eppersons cause of the war
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Re: Eleven US states oppose transgender schools edict
WOW, I go jog 2 miles and I when I get back the Civil War has broken out AGAIN ! 
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Re: Eleven US states oppose transgender schools edict
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The spirit of the Confederacy is alive in the states opposing the federal government's mandate.
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Re: Eleven US states oppose transgender schools edict
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The spirit of the Confederacy is alive in the states opposing the federal government's mandate.
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No, this is gross exaggeration. What is being opposed is an edict.
This is not a law that was passed where people had say in the matter,
or where the Supreme Court has ruled on such a law. Opposing the power
of the president to legislate through his "czars" is not the spirit of
the Confederacy. Opposing such overreach through court action is not the
spirit of the Confederacy.
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Re: Eleven US states oppose transgender schools edict
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How is it the South was wrong if they did
in fact secede to preserve slavery (a simplistic reduction of the
issues) in a battle against another country that itself had slaves? The
only difference was secession.
By the way the British freed the slaves during the Revolutionary War.
Lots of other armies throughout history did the same. Lincoln was an
attorney so he didn't do anything without an explanation. Of course his
explanations were all simply justifications for his actions no matter
how illegal, immoral or at odds with decency.
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Secession over slavery.No slavery, no secession. The proximate
cause of the secession was the election of Lincoln who had promised to
support forbidding slavery in new territories and states. As I said
there was no dispute about his until after the war. For example
The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article,
provides as follows: "No person held to service or labor in one State,
under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of
any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor,
but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service
or labor may be due."
This stipulation was so material to the compact, that without it that
compact would not have been made. The greater number of the contracting
parties held slaves, and they had previously evinced their estimate of
the value of such a stipulation by making it a condition in the
Ordinance for the government of the territory ceded by Virginia, which
now composes the States north of the Ohio River.
The same article of the Constitution stipulates also for rendition by
the several States of fugitives from justice from the other States.
The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into
effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were
executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the
non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a
disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government
have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of
Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island,
New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and
Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or
render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the
fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of
them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the
Constitution. The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in
conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of
anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which
render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws
of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a
slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa
have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and
with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the
constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the
non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina
is released from her obligation.
The ends for which the Constitution was framed are declared by itself to
be "to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic
tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general
welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our
posterity."
These ends it endeavored to accomplish by a Federal Government, in which
each State was recognized as an equal, and had separate control over
its own institutions. The right of property in slaves was recognized by
giving to free persons distinct political rights, by giving them the
right to represent, and burthening them with direct taxes for
three-fifths of their slaves; by authorizing the importation of slaves
for twenty years; and by stipulating for the rendition of fugitives from
labor.
From the South Carolina Articles of secession
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Re: Eleven US states oppose transgender schools edict
I honestly hope that these lawsuits go all the way to the Supreme Court
and that the Supreme Court rules in favor of the plaintiffs. This
transgender nonsense has gone way too far.
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Re: Eleven US states oppose transgender schools edict
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Secession over slavery.No slavery, no
secession. The proximate cause of the secession was the election of
Lincoln who had promised to support forbidding slavery in new
territories and states. As I said there was no dispute about his until
after the war.
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The Civil War was a long time in the making. There was a constant
battle between the densely populated states of the North running rough
shod over the less populated states of the South practically before the
ink was dry on the Constitution. Heck, in-fighting between the states is
how we ended up with the Constitution to begin with.
As to the topic at hand, Iowa has had a transgender type law in place
for years. It's rarely been an issue and at least one state appellate
court has said that it doesn't apply to communal dressing areas. Guess
we'll see how this plays out down the road.
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Re: Eleven US states oppose transgender schools edict
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I honestly hope that these lawsuits go
all the way to the Supreme Court and that the Supreme Court rules in
favor of the plaintiffs.
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The Court will rule for the government. If they don't already have
a majority supporting transgender rights (I bet Kennedy votes in favor)
they certainly will with Garland or any potential Clinton nominee.
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