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It paid off to have her husband have a
private meeting with the attorney general days before the FBI head says
"others in the same situation would probably be punished". Before all of
that, though, she promised Loretta she would get to keep her job. As
for Comey, I think what he was saying was "She's guilty, but I don't
want to end up dead like everyone else who crossed her".
Democrats get a free pass in a democrat led department of "justice".
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It paid off to have her husband have a
private meeting with the attorney general days before the FBI head says
"others in the same situation would probably be punished". Before all of
that, though, she promised Loretta she would get to keep her job. As
for Comey, I think what he was saying was "She's guilty, but I don't
want to end up dead like everyone else who crossed her".
Democrats get a free pass in a democrat led department of "justice".
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I thought Bill's meet up was just preceding Justice announcing all
emails between Dept of State and Clinton Foundation would remain
shielded for a couple years?
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No, just friendliness and comity.
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Yes. I think so.
We in the West, or at least in the Anglosphere are often uncomfortable
with that kind of closeness and affection with another man.
But it is worthwhile nevertheless for our leaders to be able to relate
to another culture from where they are at, rather than where we may be
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Yes. I think so.
We in the West, or at least in the Anglosphere are often uncomfortable
with that kind of closeness and affection with another man.
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True - in other parts of the world men hold hands while walking. I
once saw two Indian soldiers in uniform do this. My Welsh friend
commented 'they must be off duty.'
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But it is worthwhile nevertheless for our leaders to be able to relate
to another culture from where they are at, rather than where we may be
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Absolutely. I meant my earlier post to be in a somewhat facetious spirit.
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I pray she loses the election.
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I pray she loses the election.
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Hillary might be getting another endorsement next Tues in NH.
Bernie Sanders is poised to endorse her at an event next Tuesday in NH.
"We have got to do everything that we can to defeat Donald Trump and
elect Hillary Clinton," Sanders said. "I don't honestly know how we
would survive four years of a Donald Trump as president."
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/06/politi...atic-platform/
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Sanders said. "I don't honestly know how we would survive four years of a Donald Trump as president."
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But there is a fair chance we will, indeed, survive a Trump
presidency. I am personally not looking forward to whatever Hillary
Clinton has in mind to make me "change my religion", and her war-loving
and vindictive ways do not strike me as conducive to survival.
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One remembers that J. Edgar Hoover kept a dossier on all important
politicians. Some of them had a lot of dirt in them; information that
could have allowed him to blackmail them. That, some say, is the reason
Hoover kept his office for so long. He had the presidents right where he
wanted them.
Not saying that's true of Comey and Clinton, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility.
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So when she bloviates about "the rich" to whom exactly is she referring?
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...nap-story.html
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Conjecture: Bill Clinton discussed Hillary's e-mail investigation with Loretta Lynch, influencing the outcome.
Fact: Bill Clinton met with Loretta Lynch. No one knows what they talked
about. Lynch says that they did not talk about Hillary's e-mail
investigation.
Conjecture: FBI head says "others in the same situation [as Hillary Clinton] would probably be punished".
Fact: Comey testified before a House panel: "When I look at the facts we
gathered here, as I said, I see evidence of great carelessness, but I
do not see evidence sufficient to establish that Secretary Clinton or
those with whom she was corresponding both talked about classified
information on email and knew when they did it that they were doing
something that was against the law. No reasonable prosecutor would bring
this case ... Nobody would. Nobody did." Comey called the FBI probe
"apolitical," "competent, honest and independent." He also said, "The
decision was made and the recommendation was made the way you would want
it to be, by people who didn't give a hoot about politics but who cared
about what are the facts, what is the law and how have similar people
-— all people —- been treated in the past."
Conjecture: Hillary offered Lynch a job to influence her decision.
Fact: Hillary may retain Lynch as Attorney General, but no decision has
been announced, and even if she does retain Lynch, there is no evidence
that this was based on the outcome of the e-mail investigation, in which
Lynch followed the recommendation of the head of the FBI, James Comey
-- a Republican with a reputation for being apolitical.
Conjecture: Comey was concerned that if he didn't reach the outcome
Hillary hoped for that he'd be murdered "like everyone else who crossed
her."
Fact: Really? Conspiracy theorists like yourself love to suggest that
the Clintons kill their opponents -- despite a complete lack of
evidence.
If someone asks for facts and evidence and this is the best you can do,
the proper conclusion is that your claims that Hillary is a liar and
corrupt are not based in reality but in political animus.
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I am excited to elect Hillary to be our next POTUS.
I am always willing to consider a cohesive Conservative message and a cohesive Conservative run to the office.
Alas....
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New Hillary Clinton pro-family agenda political Ad.
Mrs. Clinton doesn't fool me.
Mrs. Clinton promotes Roe v. Wade.
Why are the MSNBC TV Show Host pundits who graduated from the Jesuit
College of the Holy Cross and the Saint Sebastian's School not asking
Mrs. Clinton any tough questions about Abortion and the hypocrisy of her
claiming to be a protector and defender of our nation's children? The
College of Holy Cross grad who works for MSNBC could sure grill Donald
Trump about the issue.
Hillary Clinton campaign highlighting pro-family agenda in TV spots:
Quiet Moments | Hillary Clinton political campaign commercial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7unz...ature=youtu.be
http://augustafreepress.com/hillary-...enda-tv-spots/
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I am always willing to consider a cohesive Conservative message and a cohesive Conservative run to the office.
Alas....
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So if I go into your posting history over the last year, I'll see a
bunch of posts showing interest, appreciation and support for either
Cruz, Paul, Walker, Rubio, etc?
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Hillary is given too much credit. She is merely a diagnostic. When
President Clinton committed immoral acts in the Oval Office and was
allowed to keep his job, America entered its denouement. This is a
disorder of the electorate who allowed it. I wasn't happy to have to
explain to my then ten year old daughter what a certain sex act was and
then see Mr. Clinton receive the "Father of the Year" award. The
Clintons have consistently, demonstrably, and unambiguously crossed
legal and moral lines with impunity. The fact that they still enjoy
support, especially from people who claim to hold Christian values, is a
reflection on us, not them.
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Majority Disapprove of Decision Not to Charge Clinton on Emails (POLL)
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A majority of Americans disapprove of the FBI's recommendation not to charge Hillary Clinton
with a crime over her handling of email while secretary of state, and a
similar number in a new ABC News/Washington Post poll say the issue
leaves them worried about how she would handle her responsibilities as
president if elected.
Most also say the email controversy won't affect their vote in the presidential election. But 28 percent say it leaves them less likely to support her, versus 10 percent who say it makes them more likely to do so.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
Hillary Clinton's Lead Over Trump Shrinks After Controversial Week: Poll
Hillary Clinton's lead over Donald Trump narrowed to 3 points this week
after several days of controversy following FBI Director James Comey's
recommendation that no criminal charges be brought against the former
secretary of state over her use of a private email server.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016...l-week-n607351
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Hillary is given too much credit. She is
merely a diagnostic. When President Clinton committed immoral acts in
the Oval Office and was allowed to keep his job, America entered its
denouement. This is a disorder of the electorate who allowed it. I
wasn't happy to have to explain to my then ten year old daughter what a
certain sex act was and then see Mr. Clinton receive the "Father of the
Year" award. The Clintons have consistently, demonstrably, and
unambiguously crossed legal and moral lines with impunity. The fact that
they still enjoy support, especially from people who claim to hold
Christian values, is a reflection on us, not them.
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All,I would add is the fact that they continue to enjoy is a reflection on the Dems base.Not the country as a whole.Otherwise |
Not to nitpick, but wasn't Bill Clinton wildly popular among the
country as a whole despite the Monica Lewinsky scandal? That's how I
remember it. I think what you're saying is definitely true about
Hillary, to the extent that she's 'popular' it's only among die-hard
liberal Democrats but that is a lot of people, apparently.
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Not to nitpick, but wasn't Bill Clinton
wildly popular among the country as a whole despite the Monica Lewinsky
scandal? That's how I remember it. I think what you're saying is
definitely true about Hillary, to the extent that she's 'popular' it's
only among die-hard liberal Democrats but that is a lot of people,
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Exactly.
What happened with Monica was horrible and he should be ashamed, embarrassed, and feel guilty for what he did.
The man as a politician, knew how to compromise and that is what this
country needs. Since Bush took office, Washington has really been
devisive acting like 2 year olds not wanting to share their toys. Both
sides are at fault, noone can claim on here on CAF that is only a
liberal thing, nor somebody can say that is only a conservative thing.
Both sides need to grow up.
Clinton in my opinion, saw that he had to compromise, with Newt and that's what both men did.
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Sanders just endorsed Clinton.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/11/politi...ers/index.html
Sanders people will slowly come over to Clinton. He will be out
campaigning for her, as will Obama. That should help out with the
Sanders voters and the young voters.
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I don't know if I'd call it a compromise, but rather he saw the House
Republicans' Contract with America tacking to the right and he moved to
the center where there was now an opening.
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For self-preservation reasons, I should have added.
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I don't know if I'd call it a compromise,
but rather he saw the House Republicans' Contract with America tacking
to the right and he moved to the center where there was now an opening.
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Compromise or twisting of the arm or any other word, but the man
put his ego aside (something alot of other politicians won't do) and did
what was right for the country.
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What happened with Monica was horrible and he should be ashamed, embarrassed, and feel guilty for what he did.
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Is that when Hillary was promoting womens rights, what an advocate, I'm almost inclined to clap. 
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Is that when Hillary was promoting womens right, what and advocate, I'm almost inclinded to clap. |
With all due respect, haven't we had those on the right say doing
gay acts as wrong, and then get caught doing that? Or those who have
fought agaisnt under age sexual behavior and get caught doing that?
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Is that when Hillary was promoting womens rights, what an advocate, I'm almost inclined to clap. |
You can not control what others do. It is similar to parents. They
can do a superb job in raising their kids, but at the end of the day,
the kids have to go out and perform and do what they were taught.
That's why I believe that as soon as Hillary found out Bill was
cheating, she should filed for a divorce. Gotten herself a house in New
York, lived there for 1-2 years, then done it right and ran for the
senate.
But she stayed with him, made up a NY address and well the rest is history.
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Compromise or twisting of the arm or any
other word, but the man put his ego aside (something alot of other
politicians won't do) and did what was right for the country.
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What exactly did he "do" for the country? The 90's were a boon
because of the dotcom revolution and bubble, plus the GOP and Clinton
were stalemated so they stayed out of the way free market mostly.
Clinton didn't "do" anything to create or help the economic prosperity
of the 90's.
One redeeming act was welfare reform, but even with that, he had to be
dragged kicking and screaming to sign it. He vetoed it 2-3 times before
finally reading how badly the polling was going for him on the issue. Of
course that welfare reform was completely dismantled by Obama, so even
that's gone now.
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I am glad that socialism got defeated, but I am not a fan of Hillary either.
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What due respect? Wheres that for the unborn Ms civil rights Hillary. Where does one get a due respect pass?
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What exactly did he "do" for the country?
The 90's were a boon because of the dotcom revolution and bubble, plus
the GOP and Clinton were stalemated so they stayed out of the way free
market mostly. Clinton didn't "do" anything to create or help the
economic prosperity of the 90's.
One redeeming act was welfare reform, but even with that, he had to be
dragged kicking and screaming to sign it. He vetoed it 2-3 times before
finally reading how badly the polling was going for him on the issue. Of
course that welfare reform was completely dismantled by Obama, so even
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So according to you the president has nothing to do?
Then we can not praise republican presidents b/c according to your theory, they don't do the work?
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What due respect? Wheres that for the unborn Ms civil rights Hillary. Where does one get a due respect pass? |
Same with those on the right who are out to defeat "evil" and get caught in gay relationships or abusing of underage kids.
So much for being conservitive.
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Same with those on the right who are out to defeat "evil" and get caught in gay relationships or abusing of underage kids.
So much for being conservitive.
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What Presidential candidate did that? I think you have a logical
fallacy? Help me understand this presidential candidate comparison. The
only evil being forgiven is in the confessional that I know of, and I
leave open to the question of who God may save when he wills. I think
your painting with a broad brush today "those on the right" hey, we are
promoting peace today as always, real world peace, not that mythical
social media mess going on.
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You can not control what others do..
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Bill? I agree, and Hillary got it messed up a bit with defending
Bill I get that. But that doesn't change she was not acting in the best
interest of womens rights. Nor do I think she is with abortion. And in
regards to that I agree as with Bill. We would be talking peoples
behavior. Granted some won't change as is denial also. But that doesn't
mean we promote a wrong either. If we are worried about all these inner
city people and trust me we are. Then we have to also address this
tragic agenda and neglect based selfishness. Its the same behavior we
are addressing everywhere. And with the 2% police and with gangs etc.
Least we be talking hypocrisy imho. I get it we won't get 100% and nor
will we with police, and truly I don't care what color they are.
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Same with those on the right who are out to defeat "evil" and get caught in gay relationships or abusing of underage kids.
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Not only do Republican politicians who tap their toes underneath
bathroom stalls do real damage to their own chances, but they do real
damage to their party.
This was a critical event that kept Republicans at home and delivered the Congress to Democrats.
Nothing has changed in human nature since Paul noted that the good that
he wants to do is difficult to do, and the evil that he does not want to
do is nearly impossible not to succumb to.
Don't think for even a half a second that conservatives don't struggle with sin, and come up short more than enough.
What a conservative will not do is decide that he or she doesn't have to
struggle with sin, because those sinful inclinations are not sinful
after all. What a conservative will not do is redefine sin so that there
is nothing to struggle against.
The moment that a conservative does that, he becomes a liberal.
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What a conservative will not do is redefine sin so that there is nothing to struggle against.
The moment that a conservative does that, he becomes a liberal.
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And what moderate democrats won't do as we see the conscience
conflict is move further left. You see it on the Hyde Thread with
abortion and non thought out political nonsense.
I know I live here with all Democrats.
Further the mindless forward push of agenda is un thought out rhetoric
that neglects "us" and in fact is divisive, and is in fact dangerous,
and this neglect is reflective in our legal system and indicates how
politics divided a country that as Obama admits wasn't really divided.
Not to the extent one can articulate unless they seen it like Obama and
many others have. Otherwise you would be talking social media myth.
Drama, doom and death and divisive dirty laundry that sells. And if its
two different people black-white, jew-muslim, and all the rest the
crusaders etc, all the better than the real wild talk comes, you know
the white blue eyed devil, and systemic white devil racism and the
blacks are conspiring to take over like Manson. No telling where the
myth ends.
You get the impression that the minions are standing behind cheering for
revolution and overthrow of our values and the principles we live by to
suggest a looming fall. But every time I have seen disaster I see the
opposite, I see heros and all people running to disaster and every time,
despite the grave loss, I see love. And I know like KIng knew that good
will have the final say.
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"The pain we feel may not soon pass, but my faith tells me that they did not die in vain"
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Good has the final say, and we have a division in protest thinking
as in 68. There was the King school we all need to support, and well as
you see "other" and deadly.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
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Originally Posted by chero23
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81% already had in June according to this poll.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/6...illary-already
I was one of them. But in an email yesterday to those of us who supported him he wrote...
"In terms of the presidential election this November, there is no doubt
that the election of Donald Trump as president would be a devastating
blow to all that we are fighting for. To have all of the work we have
done in elevating our progressive ideals be dashed away by a complete
Republican takeover of Washington... would be unthinkable"
"Today, I endorsed Hillary Clinton to be our next president. I know that
some of you will be disappointed with that decision. But I believe
that, at this moment, our country, our values, and our common vision for
a transformed America, are best served by the defeat of Donald Trump
and the election of Hillary Clinton."
"In the weeks since the last primary, both campaigns have worked
together in good faith to bridge some of the policy issues that divided
us during the election. Did we come to agreement on everything? Of
course not. But we made important steps forward."
He then went on to list their agreement on a college plan for working
families. A public healthcare option. $15 minimum wage and he listed
many other areas.
He added, "but none of these initiatives will happen if we do not elect a
Democratic president in November. None! In fact, we will go backward."
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Jul 13, '16, 10:59 am
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Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
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81% already had in June according to this poll.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/6...illary-already
I was one of them. But in an email yesterday to those of us who supported him he wrote...
"In terms of the presidential election this November, there is no doubt
that the election of Donald Trump as president would be a devastating
blow to all that we are fighting for. To have all of the work we have
done in elevating our progressive ideals be dashed away by a complete
Republican takeover of Washington... would be unthinkable"
"Today, I endorsed Hillary Clinton to be our next president. I know that
some of you will be disappointed with that decision. But I believe
that, at this moment, our country, our values, and our common vision for
a transformed America, are best served by the defeat of Donald Trump
and the election of Hillary Clinton."
"In the weeks since the last primary, both campaigns have worked
together in good faith to bridge some of the policy issues that divided
us during the election. Did we come to agreement on everything? Of
course not. But we made important steps forward."
He then went on to list their agreement on a college plan for working
families. A public healthcare option. $15 minimum wage and he listed
many other areas.
He added, "but none of these initiatives will happen if we do not elect a
Democratic president in November. None! In fact, we will go backward." |
What on earth would make Bernie think Clinton will stay with any promise she has made to him?
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Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
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What on earth would make Bernie think Clinton will stay with any promise she has made to him?
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The reality that there's no likelihood Trump would or that Trump
would do anything that Sanders and his supporters wanted. Clinton is the
lesser of two evils for anyone who supported Sanders, and that's the
reality he's trying to convey while being cordial about it. Trump would
be a disaster for Sanders supporters. I mean it's the only reason 50% of
people are voting for Hillary, she's a vote against Trump. And
conversely 55% of all Trump voters are simply voting for him as a vote
against Clinton.
Sad reality is, neither major candidate has the actual support of the
majority of their own voters. They're simply being voted for as the
perceived lesser of two evils. It's a very sad situation this election
that people aren't voting for candidates, they're voting against the
other candidate in record numbers.
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Jul 13, '16, 12:26 pm
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Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
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I would imagine that, for the most part, it is the young Bernie
supporters who feel betrayed, because they are young and idealistic. The
older Bernie supporters have lived more and seen more and are thus more
realistic about politics and the way things are in the country and the
world. They may also be disappointed but they are better able to make
compromises.
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Jul 13, '16, 12:32 pm
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Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
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What on earth would make Bernie think Clinton will stay with any promise she has made to him?
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In his heart of hearts, he doesn't think she will. But what choice
does he have, especially since he views Trump as the bigger enemy? He
did not, however, officially suspend his campaign: perhaps an olive
branch to his supporters. If he did not make peace with Hillary Clinton,
he would be seen as a spoiler, a sore loser, and a schlimazel, for
sure. (He may already be seen as such.)
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Jul 13, '16, 12:41 pm
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Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
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So according to you the president has nothing to do?
Then we can not praise republican presidents b/c according to your theory, they don't do the work?
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Presidents can be praised when they realize how ignorant they are,
and keep their nose out of the free market. If they work towards free
markets, free trade, even playing fields, and punishing fraud, the
markets will respond positively.
Many politicians think they can adopt economic policies to "control" or
"manage" the economy, and they never work. The same reason Soviet
planning never worked. One man, or a group of "smart" people don't know
the first thing about running an economy. More people need to view and
understand Milton Friendman's teaching on making a pencil.
There's not ONE person on this planet who knows how to make a pencil.
If you understand that statement, you'll understand how laughable it is that the President "manages" or "runs" the economy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dBMYvbI_ec
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Stein now has the Democratic Party in the palm of her hands.
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Like any threat to the progressive establishment, Clinton’s Wall Street
transcripts and prison lobbyist donors aren’t part of the debate. No,
any deviation from the narrative that Republicans are bad and Clinton is
less evil must be met with scorn.
Walsh, Cesca and others will insult the disloyal, or disobedient;
discussion over Clinton’s advocacy of the TPP over 45 times is never
part of the equation.
The likelihood that Hillary Clinton would continue to push for the Trans
Pacific Partnership as president, or the fact she’d send more Americans
back to war, are overshadowed by fear of Trump.
For establishment Democrats, you must fall in line or have your sanity
questioned; Donald Trump overshadows relevant critique of Dear Leader
Hillary.
Thus, Bernie Sanders and his supporters were seen not only as outsiders,
but as possible enablers of Trump. In reality, it’s power and influence
the establishment craves, not progressive values. Everything is fine,
as long as Bernie or his supporters don’t win. If Sanders got too close,
or if his supporters dared to imagine a Sanders presidency, then the
“Bernie Bro” myth and Nevada chair throwing accusations painted millions
with the same dangerous brush.
Of course, any mention of Clinton fabricating a story about Bosnian
sniper fire, or laughing at a suspected child rapist passing a
polygraph, is strictly prohibited. As CBS News writes, “But in the
recording, Clinton indicated she believed her client was indeed
guilty…Heard laughing, she said the polygraph test he managed to pass
‘forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs.’”
However, there’s another alternative, and a new hope in progressive
politics that doesn’t entail voting for a Democrat who now faces
questions regarding perjury. As Jill Stein writes in The Hill, there’s a
new and vibrant option for Bernie voters:
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0cbf01e9eddc6
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Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
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But most voters don't know who Jill Stein is or that she is running for President, let alone her views.
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Jul 13, '16, 4:30 pm
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Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
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But most voters don't know who Jill Stein is or that she is running for President, let alone her views.
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So she'll get 0.4% of the vote this time instead of 0.36% like last time she ran?
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Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
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So she'll get 0.4% of the vote this time instead of 0.36% like last time she ran?
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Since Nader's <3% in 2000, the Green Party has gone nowhere. By
Nov I don't suspect it to make much of a dent this yr either. For the
most part I think most left leaners realize the next POTUS is going to
be HC or DT.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
I was disappointed Bernie finally endorsed her. he probably didn't have a choice or they made him an offer he couldn't refuse!
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I was disappointed Bernie finally endorsed her. he probably didn't have a choice or they made him an offer he couldn't refuse!
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He had a choice. Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump. He has explained
why he chose Hillary. Because on the progressive issues that he fights
for, Hillary Clinton is closer to his views on many more issues than
Donald Trump and the Republicans are. I don't understand why all of
Bernie's supporters can't see that. In my view if any Bernie supporter
ends up voting for Donald Trump, it won't be because of positions on
most of the issues And it certainly won't be because of working class
issues. As Trump has said he thinks wages for workers are too high in
America as they stand now.
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"The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong."
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Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
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And it certainly won't be because of
working class issues. As Trump has said he thinks wages for workers are
too high in America as they stand now.
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Nevertheless, a great deal of his support comes from working class
people. Trump clarified that he meant by it that artificially raising
the minimum wage would lose jobs because of lower cost of labor in other
countries. Taken along with his position of re-negotiating trade deals
to "level the playing field" it makes sense.
But like a lot of things, Trump doesn't always explain himself fully in
the moment. It's not a good trait. He should either dodge questions that
take too long to explain his answer or resort to good-sounding sound
bites like so many do.
But maybe it doesn't matter. If people realize the "sound bite war" the media conducts is a crock, it won't.
But most dedicated Democrat Bernie supporters will vote for Clinton. She's the only abortion on demand candidate left for them.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
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I was disappointed Bernie finally endorsed her. he probably didn't have a choice or they made him an offer he couldn't refuse!
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Bernie and Hillary are friends - he has said that quite a few
times. They worked together for many years in the Senate and most of the
time (93%), they cast the same votes on issues.
Like most friends, they don't agree on every issue, but Bernie was never NOT going to endorse her enthusiastically.
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Bernie and Hillary are friends - he has
said that quite a few times. They worked together for many years in the
Senate and most of the time (93%), they cast the same votes on issues.
Like most friends, they don't agree on every issue, but Bernie was never NOT going to endorse her enthusiastically.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
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Bernie and Hillary are friends - he has
said that quite a few times. They worked together for many years in the
Senate and most of the time (93%), they cast the same votes on issues.
Like most friends, they don't agree on every issue, but Bernie was never NOT going to endorse her enthusiastically.
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of course, they are both friends and fellow democrats. I was
hoping hewould eventually say he really does care about her e-mail
problems!
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"Lessons from Libya: How Not to Intervene"
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http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/...rom_libya.html
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Hillary Clinton: the Queen of Chaos and the Threat of World War III
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http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/03/...world-war-iii/
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Diana Johnstone: Libya, in a word. Hillary Clinton was so proud of her
major role in instigating the war against Libya that she and her
advisors initially planned to use it as basis of a “Clinton doctrine”,
meaning a “smart power” regime change strategy, as a presidential
campaign slogan.
The Libyan catastrophe actually inspired me to write this book, along with the mounting danger of war with Russia.
War creates chaos, and Hillary Clinton has been an eager advocate of
every U.S. aggressive war in the last quarter of a century. These wars
have devastated whole countries and caused an unmanageable refugee
crisis. Chaos is all there is to show for Hillary’s vaunted “foreign
policy experience”.
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Last night HIllary on France-Nato and talking tough on war "again".
http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/07/14...y-factor-video
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Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
Hillary is ahead of Trump by 17 points with Catholic voters. Apparently,
some amorphous social agenda takes precedence over the very violent
destruction of babies created by God. This. I. Do. Not. Understand.
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Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
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Hillary is ahead of Trump by 17 points
with Catholic voters. Apparently, some amorphous social agenda takes
precedence over the very violent destruction of babies created by God.
This. I. Do. Not. Understand.
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I don't understand it either. Job creation is important and
artificially inflating the minimum wage will not get someone out of
poverty and off welfare. ( I think a $15 hr minimum wage is ludicrous
especially for a non trade school entry level job or fast food job.
Manual labor...yes, but flipping burgers...no)
We need people off assistance....assistance is supposed to be temporary.....we don't need them on it for a lifetime.
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Life.....what a beautiful choice!
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Re: Hillary Clinton Thread
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I don't understand it either. Job
creation is important and artificially inflating the minimum wage will
not get someone out of poverty and off welfare. ( I think a $15 hr
minimum wage is ludicrous especially for a non trade school entry level
job or fast food job. Manual labor...yes, but flipping burgers...no)
We need people off assistance....assistance is supposed to be temporary.....we don't need them on it for a lifetime.
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No matter how high the minimum wage, it will still be minimum wage.
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