U.S. Supreme Court poised to issue major abortion ruling

Jun 26, '16, 7:38 am

gilliam Forum Elder   Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic

U.S. Supreme Court poised to issue major abortion ruling WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court is due on Monday to issue its first major abortion ruling since 2007 against a backdrop of unremitting divisions among Americans on the issue and a decades-long decline in the rate at which women terminate pregnancies. The court's decision on whether a Republican-backed 2013 Texas law placed an undue burden on women exercising their constitutional right to abortion is one of three remaining cases for the court to decide on Monday, the last day of its term. The other major one involves whether the justices will overturn the corruption conviction of former Virginia Governor Robert McDonnell. The last time the justices decided a major abortion case was nine years ago when they ruled 5-4 to uphold a federal law banning a late-term abortion procedure. Americans remain closely divided over whether abortion should be legal. In a Reuters/Ipso online poll involving 6,769 U.S. adults conducted from June 3 to June 22, 47 percent of respondents said abortion generally should be legal and 42 percent said it generally should be illegal. Views on abortion in the United States have changed very little over the decades, according to historical polling data. There has been a long decline in the U.S. abortion rate. The most recent data, from 2011, showed that there were an estimated 1.1 million abortions that year at a rate of 16.9 per 1,000 women ages 15 to 44, according to the Guttmacher Institute, which tracks abortion policy and supports abortion rights. The rate had peaked at 29 abortions per 1,000 women in 1981, the group said. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/u-supreme-...120320395.html __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology

#2   Jun 26, '16, 10:00 am

Thom18 Regular Member   Join Date: January 8, 2016 Posts: 796 Religion: Catholic

Re: U.S. Supreme Court poised to issue major abortion ruling Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam The court's decision on whether a Republican-backed 2013 Texas law placed an undue burden on women exercising their constitutional right to abortion. What?

#3   Jun 26, '16, 10:08 am

Stylteralmaldo Veteran Member   Join Date: June 2, 2004 Posts: 9,000 Religion: Catholic (Latin Rite)

Re: U.S. Supreme Court poised to issue major abortion ruling Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam ...There has been a long decline in the U.S. abortion rate. The most recent data, from 2011, showed that there were an estimated 1.1 million abortions that year at a rate of 16.9 per 1,000 women ages 15 to 44, according to the Guttmacher Institute, which tracks abortion policy and supports abortion rights. The rate had peaked at 29 abortions per 1,000 women in 1981, the group said... Does the general public even fathom that there are 1.1 million people being ripped out of mothers wombs every year....and even that is considered a decline? We have a long way to go in defeating this evil where half the country thinks this is okay or at best acceptable. __________________ Today, I want to be transformed, whole and entire, into the love of Jesus and to offer myself, together with Him, to the Heavenly Father. - St. Faustina Kowalska

#4   Jun 26, '16, 11:01 am

jediliz Regular Member   Join Date: March 20, 2005 Posts: 4,541 Religion: Catholic and Proud of it!

Re: U.S. Supreme Court poised to issue major abortion ruling This and other decisions is why we can't let Hilary win. She will place pro abortion justices on the court...probably younger than Obama's appointees. __________________ A Rosary a Day Keeps the Devil Away! "More souls go to hell because of sins of the flesh than for any other reason." - Our Lady of Fatima Who will speak for those who have no voice? Life.....what a beautiful choice!

#5   Jun 26, '16, 11:30 am

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#6   Jun 26, '16, 12:37 pm

ctb95 Regular Member   Join Date: December 22, 2014 Posts: 828 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: U.S. Supreme Court poised to issue major abortion ruling Quote: Originally Posted by Thom18 What? Roe v. Wade __________________ Stat crux dum volvitur orbis Jesus, I Trust in You!

#7   Jun 26, '16, 1:44 pm

powerofk Regular Member   Join Date: May 22, 2013 Posts: 1,806 Religion: Catholic

Re: U.S. Supreme Court poised to issue major abortion ruling Quote: Originally Posted by ctb95 Roe v. Wade Right. Roe v. Wade, along with its companion case, Doe v. Bolton, proclaimed that abortion is a Constitutional right through all 9 months of pregnancy (Roe determined "until viability", Doe proclaimed "any time if the mother's health is at risk"; combined, they mean any time for any reason). As such, all restrictions on abortion at the time were struck down. Since the followup case, PP v. Casey (which called abortion a "necessary evil" due to "contraceptive mentality"), all abortion regulations that are challenged are done so in the eye of whether they place "an unreasonable burden on a pregnant woman seeking an abortion". Of course, this idea is obviously fuzzy, and is subject to interpretation.

#8   Jun 26, '16, 2:14 pm

total Catholic Banned   Join Date: February 22, 2014 Posts: 419 Religion: Catholic

Re: U.S. Supreme Court poised to issue major abortion ruling Quote: Originally Posted by jediliz This and other decisions is why we can't let Hilary win. She will place pro abortion justices on the court...probably younger than Obama's appointees. THIS!!! As bad as Trump is, I'll be holding my nose while voting for him.

#9   Jun 26, '16, 5:21 pm

mikekle Veteran Member   Join Date: August 3, 2012 Posts: 10,461 Religion: raised catholic

Re: U.S. Supreme Court poised to issue major abortion ruling Quote: Originally Posted by Stylteralmaldo Does the general public even fathom that there are 1.1 million people being ripped out of mothers wombs every year....and even that is considered a decline? We have a long way to go in defeating this evil where half the country thinks this is okay or at best acceptable. Well, look at how long it took society to come around to basically agree black slavery in the south was a bad thing, and really we still dont have this mindset totally beat. Then again, these kinds of things must take place, with satan at the wheel, this is the type of world we should expect, things will never get better when he is in control.

#10   Jun 26, '16, 5:59 pm

Joseph3 Banned   Join Date: March 17, 2016 Posts: 2,137 Religion: Catholic

Re: U.S. Supreme Court poised to issue major abortion ruling I sincerely doubt that the Supreme Court will rule in favor of Texas regarding the abortion law. It will likely be a 5-3 decision against Texas. Even if Scalia hadn't died, the decision would have been 5-4. This shows the sad state the country is in right now. We are heading down a very liberal path. This decision would make it the second major liberal decision near the end of the term in as many years. I no longer respect the Supreme Court. They are continuing to force the will of the liberal federal government on the more conservative South. This can all change though. Donald Trump needs to get elected President if we want to stop the liberal tide. He will do his best to make America great again. This means that we may be able to overturn Obergefell v. Hodges and Roe v. Wade. We have to keep the faith.

#11   Jun 26, '16, 7:14 pm

Crown of Stars Regular Member   Join Date: November 16, 2014 Posts: 1,628 Religion: Catholic, Indian, female

Re: U.S. Supreme Court poised to issue major abortion ruling Quote: Originally Posted by Stylteralmaldo Does the general public even fathom that there are 1.1 million people being ripped out of mothers wombs every year.... I just wish they could be made to understand that and why it is wrong. The abortionists certainly know exactly what they’re doing, and the women have been lied to. Women who have had an abortion, and/ or worked in the industry, have appeared on “Women of Grace” to tell their stories. Women are left scarred by this, and have said they never forget the little one they could have had but let the abortionist destroy. Not only that, but they’ve also talked about forced and strongly encouraged abortions. In other words, a woman has decided, at the last second, not to have her child destroyed, and the doctor, or technician, or whoever, practically forces her to do it. Oh, I thought it was her “choice”? Not the case if she decides, even right there, to just turn around and walk right out again? The money. Nothing more. I sympathize with the women who are misled into it. I don’t sympathize with the women who possibly haven’t even gone through an abortion themselves and can just have a smirky, arrogant attitude about destroying the life of a child who had every right to live the life he or she was given…as well as destroying the women they claim they are all for. They are NOT for women, also counting the tiny baby girls who would have grown up to be women. __________________ When God saw it was not good for Man to be alone, He created Woman.

#12   Jun 26, '16, 7:40 pm

_Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior   Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,523 Religion: Catholic

Re: U.S. Supreme Court poised to issue major abortion ruling Quote: At issue are two provisions–that abortion clinics meet the same building standards as ambulatory surgical centers (ASCs) and that abortionists have admitting privileges at a nearby hospital for situations of medical emergencies. http://www.lifenews.com/2015/10/06/t...rtion-clinics/ Quote: Outpatient Surgery Standards Ambulatory Surgery Center (ASC) requirements are applied to facilities that perform invasive outpatient surgeries. Ambulatory Surgery Center standards ensure that these facilities have a sterile environment and proper sanitation; an adequate number of trained and qualified staffers; and the ability to address medical emergencies, emergency access, and basic fire prevention and safety. Before passing H.B. 2, legislators received testimony from a number of medical professionals on the necessity of applying these commonsense standards to abortion facilities. Many of those testimonies are detailed in an amicus brief submitted in Whole Woman’s Health on behalf of a bipartisan, bicameral group of 121 Texas legislators. The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, whose membership includes thousands of physicians working in a variety of medical specialties, also wrote an amicus brief in Whole Woman’s Health, affirming that “Texas is on solid medical ground.” They write: [It is] beyond dispute that it is reasonable to require outpatient abortion facilities to abide by ASC regulations. After all, it is common ground that abortion in most cases involves a surgical procedure, that abortions occur in large numbers in outpatient settings, and that abortion (including medication abortion) presents medical risks that ASC regulations seek to prevent, mitigate, or remedy. The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons continues: ASC regulations target precisely the kinds of potential complications involved in outpatient abortion. … ASC regulations require more than just a sterile surgical environment. They broadly address any number of additional safety issues—such as infection control, patient supervision, anesthesia standards, and emergency protocols—that are directly relevant to the well-being of abortion patients. Quote: Admitting Privileges Since an estimated 200 women a year will be hospitalized in Texas following an abortion, it is also reasonable for policymakers to require physicians performing abortions to have admitting privileges at nearby hospitals. Hospital admitting privileges generally means that a physician has the qualifications and good standing in the medical community to admit and provide care for a patient at that hospital. Experts testifying in favor of H.B. 2 explained that admitting privileges can help ensure greater continuity of care in the event of an emergency, increase communication between the abortion doctor and hospital staff, and act as a check on the general quality of doctors practicing medicine. The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons brief continues: [C]redentialing and privileging enhance both the safety of patients and the integrity of the medical profession. The process ensures that ‘[p]ractitioners have privileges that correspond to the care, treatment and services needed by individual patients.’ It maximizes a physician’s ability to communicate with other physicians and coordinate all necessary care for the benefit of the patient. At the same time, the process allows ‘an overview of each applicant’s licensure, education, training, current competence, and physical ability to discharge patient care responsibilities.’ Again, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons summarizes: “Put simply, an outpatient surgical provider with the ability to admit his patients to a hospital is more likely to be a physician with the experience, integrity and ability to provide his patients with the care they need, especially in the event of unforeseen emergencies.” http://dailysignal.com/2016/03/01/in...is-reasonable/ __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org

#13   Jun 26, '16, 8:18 pm

adamhovey1988 Regular Member   Join Date: February 12, 2015 Posts: 3,745 Religion: Christian-Catholic (Latin), my religion IS my relationship

Re: U.S. Supreme Court poised to issue major abortion ruling My frustration comes when people say "it's the law of the land"! I don't think these folks understand that supreme court decisions can be (and have been) overturned. __________________ Check out my apologetics channel, subscribe if you'd like https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9E...tsEcLVRezZT9pA My blog http://adamcharleshovey.blogspot.com

#14   Jun 26, '16, 8:37 pm

lmachine Regular Member   Join Date: March 8, 2016 Posts: 1,968 Religion: Catholic

Re: U.S. Supreme Court poised to issue major abortion ruling Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia http://www.lifenews.com/2015/10/06/t...rtion-clinics/ http://dailysignal.com/2016/03/01/in...is-reasonable/ I think I'm going to have to side with the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, American Medical Association, American Academy of Family Physicians, American Osteopathic Association, American Academy of Pediatrics, American Academy of Nursing, American Nurses Society, American Public Health Association, and many others that these restrictions are not just medically unnecessary but harmful over the organization that questions the link between HIV and AIDS.

#15   Jun 26, '16, 10:23 pm

abucs Regular Member   Join Date: August 28, 2007 Posts: 3,168 Religion: Catholic

Re: U.S. Supreme Court poised to issue major abortion ruling I'm going to have to side with what i think is right and support the democratic will of the people to encourage mothers not to murder unborn children.      Jun 27, '16, 2:01 am _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior   Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,523 Religion: Catholic Re: U.S. Supreme Court poised to issue major abortion ruling Quote: Originally Posted by lmachine I think I'm going to have to side with the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, American Medical Association, American Academy of Family Physicians, American Osteopathic Association, American Academy of Pediatrics, American Academy of Nursing, American Nurses Society, American Public Health Association, and many others that these restrictions are not just medically unnecessary but harmful over the organization that questions the link between HIV and AIDS. Thousands of women that were injured by abortion signed on to an amicus brief in support of the regulations: http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-bl...lth-and-safety What do the organisations you cited have to say about these women, I wonder? The American Medical Association, was one of 32 organisations that signed on to this statement in 2003, “Physicians performing office-based surgery must have admitting privileges at a nearby hospital, a transfer agreement with another physician who has admitting privileges at a nearby hospital, or maintain an emergency transfer agreement with a nearby hospital.” - http://liveactionnews.org/abortionis...cal-standards/ Why wouldn't this extend to abortion? Do they no longer stand by the statement they signed onto? As for the article that came out from doctor questioning or expressing scepticism on HIV/AIDS link, whatever this doctor may say on that issue, people have a right to question and criticise this, but it doesn't mean that the organisation's stance on the regulations in HB2 are at fault. __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org Last edited by _Abyssinia; Jun 27, '16 at 2:20 am.   #17   Jun 27, '16, 3:06 am lemongrass80 Junior Member   Join Date: May 5, 2014 Posts: 236 Re: U.S. Supreme Court poised to issue major abortion ruling Quote: Originally Posted by lmachine I think I'm going to have to side with the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, American Medical Association, American Academy of Family Physicians, American Osteopathic Association, American Academy of Pediatrics, American Academy of Nursing, American Nurses Society, American Public Health Association, and many others that these restrictions are not just medically unnecessary but harmful over the organization that questions the link between HIV and AIDS.   #18   Jun 27, '16, 3:10 am lemongrass80 Junior Member   Join Date: May 5, 2014 Posts: 236 Re: U.S. Supreme Court poised to issue major abortion ruling Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia http://www.lifenews.com/2015/10/06/t...rtion-clinics/ http://dailysignal.com/2016/03/01/in...is-reasonable/ The American Association of Physicians and Surgeons is not a credible organization.   #19   Jun 27, '16, 5:00 am Dwyer Regular Member   Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic Re: U.S. Supreme Court poised to issue major abortion ruling I'll wager a 5-3 decision, with Justice Kennedy voting to strike down the laws, although I hope I am wrong. __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)   #20   Jun 27, '16, 5:09 am estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter   Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: U.S. Supreme Court poised to issue major abortion ruling Quote: Originally Posted by lmachine I think I'm going to have to side with the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, American Medical Association, American Academy of Family Physicians, American Osteopathic Association, American Academy of Pediatrics, American Academy of Nursing, American Nurses Society, American Public Health Association, and many others that these restrictions are not just medically unnecessary but harmful over the organization that questions the link between HIV and AIDS. It should be of no surprise that those who profit from abortion oppose any restrictions on it   #21   Jun 27, '16, 5:15 am GaryTaylor Forum Elder   Join Date: March 30, 2010 Posts: 26,098 Religion: Catholic Re: U.S. Supreme Court poised to issue major abortion ruling Quote: Originally Posted by lemongrass80 The American Association of Physicians and Surgeons is not a credible organization. Why?   #22   Jun 27, '16, 5:26 am lemongrass80 Junior Member   Join Date: May 5, 2014 Posts: 236 Re: U.S. Supreme Court poised to issue major abortion ruling Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob It should be of no surprise that those who profit from abortion oppose any restrictions on it Pediactrics profits from abortion? Please explain.   #23   Jun 27, '16, 5:46 am mikekle Veteran Member   Join Date: August 3, 2012 Posts: 10,461 Religion: raised catholic Re: U.S. Supreme Court poised to issue major abortion ruling Quote: Originally Posted by Crown of Stars I just wish they could be made to understand that and why it is wrong. The abortionists certainly know exactly what they’re doing, and the women have been lied to. Women who have had an abortion, and/ or worked in the industry, have appeared on “Women of Grace” to tell their stories. Women are left scarred by this, and have said they never forget the little one they could have had but let the abortionist destroy. Not only that, but they’ve also talked about forced and strongly encouraged abortions. In other words, a woman has decided, at the last second, not to have her child destroyed, and the doctor, or technician, or whoever, practically forces her to do it. Oh, I thought it was her “choice”? Not the case if she decides, even right there, to just turn around and walk right out again? The money. Nothing more. I sympathize with the women who are misled into it. I don’t sympathize with the women who possibly haven’t even gone through an abortion themselves and can just have a smirky, arrogant attitude about destroying the life of a child who had every right to live the life he or she was given…as well as destroying the women they claim they are all for. They are NOT for women, also counting the tiny baby girls who would have grown up to be women. Thats why we really need some kind of major warning, to be sent by God on this world, to make people aware of what they are involved in or supporting. When he did this kind of thing in the OT, it tended to have immediate results. I cannot imagine why God is keeping silent.   #24   Jun 27, '16, 7:36 am Ridgerunner Forum Elder   Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,710 Religion: Catholic Re: U.S. Supreme Court poised to issue major abortion ruling Quote: Originally Posted by mikekle Thats why we really need some kind of major warning, to be sent by God on this world, to make people aware of what they are involved in or supporting. When he did this kind of thing in the OT, it tended to have immediate results. I cannot imagine why God is keeping silent. Maybe He's not. The world we have built is its own punishment.   #25   Jun 27, '16, 8:21 am lmachine Regular Member   Join Date: March 8, 2016 Posts: 1,968 Religion: Catholic Re: U.S. Supreme Court poised to issue major abortion ruling Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia Why wouldn't this extend to abortion? Do they no longer stand by the statement they signed onto? Here is the statement you refer to that the AMA signed onto. It is not about the safety of surgery itself but surgeries that require sedation or anesthesia. The vast majority of abortions do not require sedation or anesthesia, and the late-term abortions that do are already performed at hospitals or clinics with the proper facilities. The AMA is not being hypocritical or flip-flopping in the slightest; it is signing on in support of evidence-based, safe medical practice.   #26   Jun 29, '16, 3:53 pm total Catholic Banned   Join Date: February 22, 2014 Posts: 419 Religion: Catholic Re: U.S. Supreme Court poised to issue major abortion ruling Quote: Originally Posted by mikekle Thats why we really need some kind of major warning, to be sent by God on this world, to make people aware of what they are involved in or supporting. When he did this kind of thing in the OT, it tended to have immediate results. I cannot imagine why God is keeping silent. Don't worry friend, the Day of the LORD IS coming. Let's pray that our own houses are in order as well.   #27   Jun 29, '16, 8:00 pm Crown of Stars Regular Member   Join Date: November 16, 2014 Posts: 1,628 Religion: Catholic, Indian, female Re: U.S. Supreme Court poised to issue major abortion ruling Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam The court's decision on whether a Republican-backed 2013 Texas law placed an undue burden on women exercising their constitutional right to abortion An "undue burden." A burden!And to think of all of the women who really want just one child and their wombs are barren and dark. Why has God made these others so fertile? Oh what some women, many women, would give for just one child of her own, to grow inside of her. Well, I'm not married, and I don't want children, yet I don't hate them and wish evil harm on them, and I don't care about sex. I would rather take a bubblebath. To me, that's much more relaxing. __________________ When God saw it was not good for Man to be alone, He created Woman.   #28   Jul 3, '16, 1:06 pm LoveMercyGrace Regular Member   Join Date: June 12, 2012 Posts: 585 Religion: Catholic Re: U.S. Supreme Court poised to issue major abortion ruling Quote: Originally Posted by Ridgerunner Maybe He's not. The world we have built is its own punishment. thank you for this thought +++ __________________ I will give thanks to You, for she is fearfully and wonderfully made; Wonderful are Your works, And my soul knows it very well. ps 139:14   #29   Jul 5, '16, 7:46 pm AFerri48 Regular Member   Join Date: October 21, 2015 Posts: 894 Religion: Catholic Re: U.S. Supreme Court poised to issue major abortion ruling Yeah, Roe v. Wade is looking less and less likely to be overturned by the Supreme Court. Maybe a Constitutional Amendment should begin to be sought instead. That's what eventually rid of slavery.