Re: Fidel Castro slams Barack Obama's Cuba visit, 'honey-coated' comments
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I have to wonder what the US wants out of this...after all, it wasnt Cuba that came begging for better US relations?
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The answer is that Obama wants to have something in his legacy. He used
Guantanamo as his great accomplishment by freeing the terrorists to
resume their bloody attacks; hoping to have it empty and ready to be
executively ordered back to Cuba. Yes, everyone says he can't do that
and that is true, but it does not stop him. He thinks that will be
legacy worthy because the isolation of Cuba by the U.S. has existed
since the nuclear standoff by President Kennedy. No, Cuba has NOT given
any hint that they want to remedy the state of affairs with the U.S.
But, Obama doesn't care - he only knows what he wants to know.
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=EmperorNapoleon;13787282]Hey, we allowed your policy 60 years of abysmal failure before ending it. You
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My policy?  That was there decades before I was around, not to mention that it had bipartisan support.
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need to give diplomacy longer than a few a months and stop declaring
defeat on the grounds that a senile old man who isn't even President of
Cuba anymore did what everyone expected he would do.
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Diplomacy is fine and preferred, as long as the diplomats know what they are doing and what game is being played.
It's very clear that modern Democratic leaders do not understand it and
keep on getting bested by foreign despots. The fact is some people
really aren't interested in diplomacy, others just like saber-rattle and
others, like ISIS, only understand force.
I have my doubts that this behavior was expected from the Castro from
Democratic analysts, but even if they did, it just tells me that this
was a dog and pony show for Obama's legacy and another reason for him
and the First family to travel at taxpayer expense.
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Re: Fidel Castro slams Barack Obama's Cuba visit, 'honey-coated' comments
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My policy?  That was there decades before I was around, not to mention that it had bipartisan support.
Diplomacy is fine and preferred, as long as the diplomats know what they are doing and what game is being played.
It's very clear that modern Democratic leaders do not understand it and
keep on getting bested by foreign despots. The fact is some people
really aren't interested in diplomacy, others just like saber-rattle and
others, like ISIS, only understand force.
I have my doubts that this behavior was expected from the Castro from
Democratic analysts, but even if they did, it just tells me that this
was a dog and pony show for Obama's legacy and another reason for him
and the First family to travel at taxpayer expense.
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I agree. a dog and pony show like his speech in Egypt shortly
after being elected. look how that turned out. if Fidel and Raul die and
communism ceases in Cuba, you can be sure that Obama will take credit!
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Re: Fidel Castro slams Barack Obama's Cuba visit, 'honey-coated' comments
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The answer is that Obama wants to have something in his legacy. He used
Guantanamo as his great accomplishment by freeing the terrorists to
resume their bloody attacks; hoping to have it empty and ready to be
executively ordered back to Cuba. Yes, everyone says he can't do that
and that is true, but it does not stop him. He thinks that will be
legacy worthy because the isolation of Cuba by the U.S. has existed
since the nuclear standoff by President Kennedy. No, Cuba has NOT given
any hint that they want to remedy the state of affairs with the U.S.
But, Obama doesn't care - he only knows what he wants to know.
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Do you think its possible US companies are pressuring Obama to do
this? Lifting sanctions would open up an entirely new market for just
about everything, especially tourism.
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Re: Fidel Castro slams Barack Obama's Cuba visit, 'honey-coated' comments
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Hey, we allowed your policy 60 years of
abysmal failure before ending it. You need to give diplomacy longer than
a few a months and stop declaring defeat on the grounds that a senile
old man who isn't even President of Cuba anymore did what everyone
expected he would do.
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The politics of failure have failed, we need to make them work again.
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Re: Fidel Castro slams Barack Obama's Cuba visit, 'honey-coated' comments
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I have to wonder what the US wants out of this...after all, it wasnt Cuba that came begging for better US relations?
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Obama seeking a nonnegative legacy?
The WH stockpile of Cuban cigars just ran out?? 
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The politics of failure have failed, we need to make them work again.
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Re: Fidel Castro slams Barack Obama's Cuba visit, 'honey-coated' comments
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Do you think its possible US companies
are pressuring Obama to do this? Lifting sanctions would open up an
entirely new market for just about everything, especially tourism.
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The only pressure Obama has is his and Val's. He doesn't care about the
advantages of an island country that wishes to be free of the Castro
bros kingdom of dictatorship. They have announced their resolute "we are
just fine without you, get lost". Another act of humiliation for the
USA but we will make the necessary repairs soon. Castro bros haven't
much time left.
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it is good to see Fidel make a strong statement against US imperialism.
Socialism probably won't last in Cuba, but at least he'll die committed.
The rhetoric used regarding this issue is ridiculous. Cuba is the
victim of the USA and always has been, it has nothing to do with
fighting dictatorship or tyranny. America recognized Batista's regime,
where was the fight against tyranny then?
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Re: Fidel Castro slams Barack Obama's Cuba visit, 'honey-coated' comments
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I agree. a dog and pony show like his
speech in Egypt shortly after being elected. look how that turned out.
if Fidel and Raul die and communism ceases in Cuba, you can be sure that
Obama will take credit!
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There are two things at which BO (so fitting!) excels - taking credit and placing blame.
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Re: Fidel Castro slams Barack Obama's Cuba visit, 'honey-coated' comments
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it is good to see Fidel make a strong
statement against US imperialism. Socialism probably won't last in Cuba,
but at least he'll die committed. The rhetoric used regarding this
issue is ridiculous. Cuba is the victim of the USA and always has been,
it has nothing to do with fighting dictatorship or tyranny. America
recognized Batista's regime, where was the fight against tyranny then?
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Too bad! Fidel was committed to Communism and the USSR was his patron. Consider a stronger statement against Fidel!
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Re: Fidel Castro slams Barack Obama's Cuba visit, 'honey-coated' comments
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it is good to see Fidel make a strong
statement against US imperialism. Socialism probably won't last in Cuba,
but at least he'll die committed. The rhetoric used regarding this
issue is ridiculous. Cuba is the victim of the USA and always has been,
it has nothing to do with fighting dictatorship or tyranny. America
recognized Batista's regime, where was the fight against tyranny then?
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I like Fidel Castro, but many anti-revisionist Marxists consider
him as someone who allied with Soviet imperialism when it was convenient
for him.
The US really isn't concerned with fighting dictatorship or tyranny;
that cannot be stressed enough. If you doubt this, ask what the US'
stance on Saudi Arabia is. Even if you do not like Obama, just pose the
question about the what the stance on Saudi Arabia when George W. Bush
was President.
Much of one's stance towards the US' foreign policy is based on
self-righteousness or a delusional belief that the US stands for some
abstract principles such as freedom and liberty.
Regarding that, do you think the US really stands for that when it has
the highest incarceration rate or mistreats individuals in prisons by
putting them in solitary confinement.
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Most critically, the new security threat group category doesn't just
denote prison gangs, but also includes a much larger number of
"disruptive groups." Among these are street gangs, motorcycle gangs, and
"revolutionary groups." The list of disruptive organizations that CDCR
gave me runs to 1,500, including not only the Bloods and Crips, but also
the Juggalos, the dedicated clown-faced following of the dual-platinum
horrorcore hip-hop group Insane Clown Posse. The Black Panthers are on
the list, as are a couple of Nation of Islam-affiliated groups. One
category is titled "Black-Non Specific," suggesting that any group with
the word "black" in its name can be considered disruptive. (CDCR would
not respond to my questions on this matter.)
Taken together, the policy changes could mean that a Crip taking part in
a hunger strike, a Black Panther with a drawing he made of his
organization's namesake cat, or an Insane Clown Posse fan with an album
cover and a concert photo could receive indeterminate SHU terms.
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http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...e-bauer?page=4
So is that "freedom" or "human rights" if someone who associates with
the Panthers or wants to be a part of their legacy cannot commemorate
it? Please note that the article was written by someone who actually
suffered an immense injustice by the Iranian Revolutionary Court for
entering their country. But regardless of how Iran treats those accused
of sabotage and infiltration, one should not be blind to the gross
injustices that occur in the US.
Here is something insightful on far-leftist forum:
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And you know the whole thing [the number of people allegedly killed by
communism] is [BS], people are simply so unoriginal that they can't
fathom that they're engaging in a kind of herd mentality. If Stalinists
were in power, we would dismissively claim that mistakes always happen
throughout history and that while it's all tragic, it's not as bad as
the deaths and butchery of liberal capitalism. We would claim that all
those in labor camps, more or less deserved it by merit of being
criminals and people who threatened the Soviet state. The first typical
response in many of your heads is "Many of those imprisoned were
innocent!" and yet no one realy bats much of an eye at the reality that
many incarcerated in the US are actually innocent, or were incarcerated
unjustly. Yet en masse, people can go about their day fine knowing that
criminals are locked up. Such arguments, to we arrogant westerners are
construed as ridiculous, and satire-esque. But the "Soviet state"
carried legitimacy in a sense, it was something that DID have a magical
ring to it in the same way "The United States government" or "The
federal government" or "Law enforcement agencies" do for us. This is how
power works.
The truth is that only with power can the truth of history be wrought
out. It doesn't matter what we say, we do not have legitimacy. It is
through power that the average person thinks with their [butt] to claim
that 100 million die, and it is through power that they will cease to
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The claim that socialism is against freedom or that it killed tens
of millions of people is pablum, and should properly be seen as
propaganda used to influence the masses to support the political economy
of capitalism.
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Re: Fidel Castro slams Barack Obama's Cuba visit, 'honey-coated' comments
If Castro is against Obama, that is a good reason to be for Obama.
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it is good to see Fidel make a strong statement against US imperialism.
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Just "good"? How about MakeCubaGreatAgain?
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If Castro is against Obama, that is a good reason to be for Obama.
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OR just
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Matthew 12:25 "Every kingdom divided against itself will be laid waste, and no town or house divided against itself will stand.
26 And if Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself; how, then, will his kingdom stand?
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Not really.
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Not really.
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You should support Obama. He gave the world a wonderful
Euromaidan. Or he let people such as Victoria Nuland and Geoffrey Pyatt
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You should support Obama. He gave the
world a wonderful Euromaidan. Or he let people such as Victoria Nuland
and Geoffrey Pyatt do so.
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Piffle.
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Piffle.
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How could you do not want to congratulate the men and women of the
Obama regime that was changing the world for the better? It seems that
your hatred of Obama is entirely irrational.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj-m6Jq7Mc8 (Geoffrey R. Pyatt - Skirmisher of Euromaidan).
Pyatt did a good job, didn't he? You got a Euromaidan out of this. How could you not show any gratitude?
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I think Fidel would rather have Bernie as President since they are both socialists.
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Re: Fidel Castro slams Barack Obama's Cuba visit, 'honey-coated' comments
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How could you do not want to congratulate
the men and women of the Obama regime that was changing the world for
the better? It seems that your hatred of Obama is entirely irrational.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj-m6Jq7Mc8 (Geoffrey R. Pyatt - Skirmisher of Euromaidan).
Pyatt did a good job, didn't he? You got a Euromaidan out of this. How could you not show any gratitude?
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Sorry.
I guess I was not clear enough
I tend not to give communists and communist wannabes the time of day anymore
Entering into serious discussions with such non-serious people is a waste of my time.
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