Re: Trump Thread

Mar 31, '16, 8:52 pm

Tomdstone Banned   Join Date: January 21, 2013 Posts: 11,614 Religion: other

Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr Trump did apparently say that the US should leave NATO:] Give us the quote from Trump, not the misquote from Kasich.

#2357   Mar 31, '16, 8:54 pm

Lily Bernans   Join Date: June 9, 2015 Posts: 6,603 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Tomdstone Give us the quote from Trump, not the misquote from Kasich. http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/21/tr...ement-in-nato/

#2358   Mar 31, '16, 9:14 pm

Tomdstone Banned   Join Date: January 21, 2013 Posts: 11,614 Religion: other

Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Lily Bernans http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/21/tr...ement-in-nato/ Why distort what Trump has said? In the link, he says that he is in favor of rethinking American participation in NATO. Nowhere does he say he wants to demolish NATO. The US carries a heavy financial burden in NATO, and it is only reasonable that European countries such as Germany contribute more. Further, there is more danger now from terrorism. NATO was founded at the time of the cold war. If NATO is to provide protection to the EC, it must reevaluate its defense plans to deal with the terrorist threat from Islamic extremists.

#2359   Mar 31, '16, 9:18 pm

Lily Bernans   Join Date: June 9, 2015 Posts: 6,603 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Tomdstone Why distort what Trump has said? In the link, he says that he is in favor of rethinking American participation in NATO. Nowhere does he say he wants to demolish NATO. The US carries a heavy financial burden in NATO, and it is only reasonable that European countries such as Germany contribute more. Further, there is more danger now from terrorism. NATO was founded at the time of the cold war. If NATO is to provide protection to the EC, it must reevaluate its defense plans to deal with the terrorist threat from Islamic extremists. Actually, I agree with you. I took Kasich at his word, and his word was not good. I won't make that mistake again.

#2360   Mar 31, '16, 9:19 pm

Thorolfr Regular Member   Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA)

Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Lily Bernans Actually, I agree with you. I took Kasich at his word, and his word was not good. I won't make that mistake again. I thought Kasich knew what he was talking about, too.

#2361   Mar 31, '16, 9:30 pm

Peter J Forum Elder   Join Date: April 7, 2008 Posts: 17,590 Religion: Catholic

Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Peter J P.S. I heard pretty much the same from Wendy Davis just a few minutes ago. One sentence in particular: she said that Trump is "putting into words what [Republicans] have been doing right along." Like I said, we should be prepared for more (and more). P.P.S. Add Rachel Maddow to the list. This one I hope makes it to Youtube, for the following reason: if you haven't seen it I can't really convey to you how condescending she sounds as she lectures the listener with statements like "If you are prolife (pause) that doesn't just mean that you choose not to have an abortion (pause) that mean you want abortion to be illegal!"

#2362   Mar 31, '16, 11:56 pm

Dwyer Regular Member   Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic

Re: Trump Thread These people in the Media sure don't ask Mr. Sanders or Mrs. Clinton any tough questions about abortion and how these politicians support the shedding of the blood of innocent unborn children, or call them Anti-Unborn, all in the name of being in favor of an immoral "choice" to destroy. Also, these "Town Halls" and Debates put on by the Media are never at a socially conservative university or college. They held a Republican Debate at the University of Miami. Why not have one at a Catholic University or College? It's like the Media pretends Catholic Universities and Colleges don't exist except when their teams play sports on Saturday. __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.) Last edited by Dwyer; Apr 1, '16 at 12:11 am.

#2363   Apr 1, '16, 3:14 am

Lily Bernans   Join Date: June 9, 2015 Posts: 6,603 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Dwyer These people in the Media sure don't ask Mr. Sanders or Mrs. Clinton any tough questions about abortion and how these politicians support the shedding of the blood of innocent unborn children, or call them Anti-Unborn, all in the name of being in favor of an immoral "choice" to destroy. Also, these "Town Halls" and Debates put on by the Media are never at a socially conservative university or college. They held a Republican Debate at the University of Miami. Why not have one at a Catholic University or College? It's like the Media pretends Catholic Universities and Colleges don't exist except when their teams play sports on Saturday. I suppose because no Catholic college has invited them.

#2364   Apr 1, '16, 5:03 am

Seamus L Senior Member   Join Date: November 22, 2007 Posts: 8,066 Religion: Catholic

Re: Trump Thread The newsmedia is so disgusting that yesterday, I actually watched a segment on CBS of a film crew that went to Lewis. Scotland, where Trump's mother was born, to interview people who said they were embarrassed by Trump's connection to the island. I've met liberal Democrats who have told me that they think Hillary Clinton is an embarrassment. So why can't they be interviewed on the national news ?

#2365   Apr 1, '16, 5:14 am

queenofheartscv Regular Member   Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,398 Religion: Catholic

Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Seamus L The newsmedia is so disgusting that yesterday, I actually watched a segment on CBS of a film crew that went to Lewis. Scotland, where Trump's mother was born, to interview people who said they were embarrassed by Trump's connection to the island. I've met liberal Democrats who have told me that they think Hillary Clinton is an embarrassment. So why can't they be interviewed on the national news ? brace yourself; it may get uglier. The media is at war with trump and we shall see who wins.

#2366   Apr 1, '16, 5:50 am

TMC Senior Member   Join Date: October 15, 2007 Posts: 6,724

Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Dwyer These people in the Media sure don't ask Mr. Sanders or Mrs. Clinton any tough questions about abortion and how these politicians support the shedding of the blood of innocent unborn children, or call them Anti-Unborn, all in the name of being in favor of an immoral "choice" to destroy. Also, these "Town Halls" and Debates put on by the Media are never at a socially conservative university or college. They held a Republican Debate at the University of Miami. Why not have one at a Catholic University or College? It's like the Media pretends Catholic Universities and Colleges don't exist except when their teams play sports on Saturday. I think this idea that Trump gets all the hard questions is a complete red herring. All the candidates get tough questions. Some just can't answer them coherently or consistently. __________________ Who are you to pass judgment on someone else's servant? Romans 14:4

#2367   Apr 1, '16, 5:56 am

mary bobo Veteran Member Forum Supporter   Join Date: May 19, 2005 Posts: 10,604 Religion: Catholic

Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv brace yourself; it may get uglier. The media is at war with trump and we shall see who wins. IMO Trump is an embarrassment to the GOP, but they brought it on themselves. Meanwhile, Trump's likeability ratings go down. Make way for President Clinton. __________________ Praying for all CAF intentions.

#2368   Apr 1, '16, 5:59 am

mary bobo Veteran Member Forum Supporter   Join Date: May 19, 2005 Posts: 10,604 Religion: Catholic

Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Dwyer These people in the Media sure don't ask Mr. Sanders or Mrs. Clinton any tough questions about abortion and how these politicians support the shedding of the blood of innocent unborn children, or call them Anti-Unborn, all in the name of being in favor of an immoral "choice" to destroy. Also, these "Town Halls" and Debates put on by the Media are never at a socially conservative university or college. They held a Republican Debate at the University of Miami. Why not have one at a Catholic University or College? It's like the Media pretends Catholic Universities and Colleges don't exist except when their teams play sports on Saturday. Don't depend on Catholic universities to be conservative. They are part of academia. __________________ Praying for all CAF intentions.

#2369   Apr 1, '16, 6:10 am

Ridgerunner Forum Elder   Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,704 Religion: Catholic

Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by mary bobo Don't depend on Catholic universities to be conservative. They are part of academia. One shouldn't too readily depend on most of them to be Catholic either.

#2370   Apr 1, '16, 6:29 am

Lily Bernans   Join Date: June 9, 2015 Posts: 6,603 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Ridgerunner One shouldn't too readily depend on most of them to be Catholic either. That's right, but the one I teach at is very Catholic. Could just be an exception. I don't know; I haven't been to many of them. I wouldn't call it conservative, though.        Apr 1, '16, 6:30 am Peter J Forum Elder   Join Date: April 7, 2008 Posts: 17,590 Religion: Catholic Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by TMC I think this idea that Trump gets all the hard questions is a complete red herring. All the candidates get tough questions. Some just can't answer them coherently or consistently. But Trump is the only one that the media called "Teflon Don" -- I mean they promoted the narrative that nothing he does causes him to lose supporters. Seems to me that the media want to have their cake and eat it too.   #2372   Apr 1, '16, 6:43 am _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior   Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,516 Religion: Catholic Re: Trump Thread How Votes For Trump Could Become Delegates for Someone Else http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...else.html?_r=0 __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org   #2373   Apr 1, '16, 7:01 am Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder   Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,379 Religion: Catholic Re: Trump Thread Comments on the topic by Peggy Noonan; http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/peggy-...e-of-gop-race/ http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/peggy-...rtion-comment/ __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #2374   Apr 1, '16, 8:02 am gilliam Forum Elder   Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: Trump Thread Donald Trump's Poll Numbers Collapse as General Election Loom While Trump was never popular outside of his loyal slice of GOP voters, a raft of new polls show his national position hitting new lows, including with groups that are supposed to form his base. http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016...-looms-n548731 __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #2375   Apr 1, '16, 8:09 am grotto   Join Date: March 22, 2005 Posts: 2,894 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Trump Thread MSNBC is really the dregs of the media. Chris Matthews has very little competition in the arena of the most flapper mouthed. Alan Combs of FOX is the other competitor. Trump was ill advised to go for that interview and showed patience and restraint enduring the insulting vitriol. The media needs a good cleansing. They have set the tone by using all the anger, jealousy, card playing tactics, and then come off as being morally superior. They delight in "spinning" any discussion of women, men, wife, husband, appearance, using sexual content as the most necessary to inform. Its an entrapment sport. IMO Fox/Meagan Kelly conducted the start of the Republican Debate in this manner and it has never let up. This election campaign is most important to our country. There are so many areas of great importance to discuss but the media wants to keep it in the dark mud. Hopefully they will stop the roulette wheel and give the American people a break! The heat needs to be turned up on the Clinton crimes, Obama/Kerry nuke sellout, the freeing of terrorists back to terror, the horrific heroin epidemic outbreak. The list is long. __________________ "What amazed Edward Winslow during the summer of 1622 was how "reasonable men will be led to reason against their own safety." MAYFLOWER by Nathaniel Philbrick   #2376   Apr 1, '16, 8:32 am Peter J Forum Elder   Join Date: April 7, 2008 Posts: 17,590 Religion: Catholic Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam Donald Trump's Poll Numbers Collapse as General Election Loom While Trump was never popular outside of his loyal slice of GOP voters, a raft of new polls show his national position hitting new lows, including with groups that are supposed to form his base. http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016...-looms-n548731 Thanks for posting that. I saw Larry J. Sabato talk about his predictions on Fox last night, but it's nice to take a closer look at his map. Of course the thing is, that's all based on poll numbers and some people just don't believe in poll numbers.   #2377   Apr 1, '16, 8:43 am Sy Noe Senior Member   Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,022 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Peter J Thanks for posting that. I saw Larry J. Sabato talk about his predictions on Fox last night, but it's nice to take a closer look at his map. Of course the thing is, that's all based on poll numbers and some people just don't believe in poll numbers. I saw Sabato on either MSNBC or CNN last night too. Wasn't pretty for the GOP. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #2378   Apr 1, '16, 8:50 am gilliam Forum Elder   Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: Trump Thread Trump is a very weak candidate. He should have collapsed a long time ago. The only thing keeping him going was the huge number of other candidates and the odd way the primaries played out. He could have turned it around and expanded his lead, but he seems unable to mature into the position of front runner. __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #2379   Apr 1, '16, 8:50 am queenofheartscv Regular Member   Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,398 Religion: Catholic Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe I saw Sabato on either MSNBC or CNN last night too. Wasn't pretty for the GOP. Just wait till trump gets on hillary for her lies, email scandal, incompetency, bengahzi scandal. The media revels in dishing on the GOP and they always hide the dirt on democrats. Trump won't let them get away with it. He's the only one who will go there with Hillary.   #2380   Apr 1, '16, 8:54 am gilliam Forum Elder   Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Just wait till trump gets on hillary for her lies, email scandal, incompetency, bengahzi scandal. Trump is a very poor debater. He makes personal attacks and doesn't bring out weak points of his opponents and factually drill into them. He seems not to understand that simply making personal insults won't win over the vast majority of Americans. Quote: The media revels in dishing on the GOP and they always hide the dirt on democrats. Trump won't let them get away with it. He's the only one who will go there with Hillary. Trump's major weaknesses have nothing to do with the media. The media love Trump, with him come ratings. __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #2381   Apr 1, '16, 8:57 am queenofheartscv Regular Member   Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,398 Religion: Catholic Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam Trump is a very poor debater. He makes personal attacks and doesn't bring out weak points of his opponents and factually drill into them. He seems not to understand that simply making personal insults won't win over the vast majority of Americans. Trump's major weaknesses have nothing to do with the media. The media love Trump, with him come ratings. He's a poor debater because you are used to political speak. Cruz is a good debater in that sense but a bad talker. Scott Adams, the creator of Dilbert cartoons, says trump is the best persuader in the campaign and that's why he's winning, and hillary is the worst of the worst: she has not persuasion ability at all.   #2382   Apr 1, '16, 8:59 am Sy Noe Senior Member   Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,022 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Dwyer These people in the Media sure don't ask Mr. Sanders or Mrs. Clinton any tough questions about abortion and how these politicians support the shedding of the blood of innocent unborn children, or call them Anti-Unborn, all in the name of being in favor of an immoral "choice" to destroy. Also, these "Town Halls" and Debates put on by the Media are never at a socially conservative university or college. They held a Republican Debate at the University of Miami. Why not have one at a Catholic University or College? It's like the Media pretends Catholic Universities and Colleges don't exist except when their teams play sports on Saturday. There would be no reason to ask them if a woman should be punished for an abortion. They aren't the ones running around calling abortion "murder". Instead they support the law and Constitution as the SCOTUS interpreted it over 43 yrs ago now and they understand not all religions, not even all Christian denominations agree with the Catholic Church on the abortion issue. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #2383   Apr 1, '16, 9:02 am Sy Noe Senior Member   Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,022 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Just wait till trump gets on hillary for her lies, email scandal, incompetency, bengahzi scandal. The media revels in dishing on the GOP and they always hide the dirt on democrats. Trump won't let them get away with it. He's the only one who will go there with Hillary. Nah. There is nothing much new about Hillary Clinton that the public hasn't already heard. She's been pretty much vetted over the course of her many yrs in the public eye and has for nearly a quarter of a century been attacked by the Republicans. Remember how well she came out of that 10 hr or however many hrs Bengahzi hearing? I actually can't wait for her to take on Donald Trump. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #2384   Apr 1, '16, 9:04 am Lily Bernans   Join Date: June 9, 2015 Posts: 6,603 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Just wait till trump gets on hillary for her lies, email scandal, incompetency, bengahzi scandal. The media revels in dishing on the GOP and they always hide the dirt on democrats. Trump won't let them get away with it. He's the only one who will go there with Hillary. Just wait till Hillary gets on Trump for his lack of foreign policy knowledge and all his flip-flopping and kerfluffles like the abortion thing. Trump has told a lot of lies himself. I don't think he'll want to go there with Hillary.   #2385   Apr 1, '16, 9:05 am Lily Bernans   Join Date: June 9, 2015 Posts: 6,603 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe Nah. There is nothing much new about Hillary Clinton that the public hasn't already heard. She's been pretty much vetted over the course of her many yrs in the public eye and has for a long time been attacked by the Republicans. I actually can't wait for her to take on Donald Trump. Sorry, Sy! I posted before I saw your post. I'm looking forward to seeing a Trump/Hillary debate, too!       Apr 1, '16, 9:07 am gilliam Forum Elder   Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: Trump Thread Dick Morris on name calling http://www.dickmorris.com/heres-why-...v-lunch-alert/ __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #2387   Apr 1, '16, 9:07 am Sy Noe Senior Member   Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,022 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Lily Bernans Sorry, Sy! I posted before I saw your post. I'm looking forward to seeing a Trump/Hillary debate, too! __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #2388   Apr 1, '16, 9:08 am queenofheartscv Regular Member   Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,398 Religion: Catholic Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Lily Bernans Just wait till Hillary gets on Trump for his lack of foreign policy knowledge and all his flip-flopping and kerfluffles like the abortion thing. Trump has told a lot of lies himself. I don't think he'll want to go there with Hillary. Problem is, a lot of people love trump, but precious few people like hillary. They will vote for her because she is democrat or because she is a woman, or because they like Bill.   #2389   Apr 1, '16, 9:09 am estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter   Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Lily Bernans Just wait till Hillary gets on Trump for his lack of foreign policy knowledge and all his flip-flopping and kerfluffles like the abortion thing. Trump has told a lot of lies himself. I don't think he'll want to go there with Hillary. And Trump jumps on her for the absolute disaster her term as SOS was. Dead diplomats, belligerent Russia, middle east in turmoil and terrorists attacks on the rise.   #2390   Apr 1, '16, 9:12 am Lily Bernans   Join Date: June 9, 2015 Posts: 6,603 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob And Trump jumps on her for the absolute disaster her term as SOS was. Dead diplomats, belligerent Russia, middle east in turmoil and terrorists attacks on the rise. Plenty of problems on the Republicans' watch Hillary can bring up. Off course she can't attack Trump's experience because he hasn't got any! No matter what anyone thinks of her tenure as SoS, she will mop the floor with Trump on foreign affairs. She has been to countries he has probably never heard of. I don't even dislike Trump. I just dislike him as a presidential candidate, but I do support his right to run. I won't vote for him, but I support his right to try to win my vote.   #2391   Apr 1, '16, 9:14 am Lily Bernans   Join Date: June 9, 2015 Posts: 6,603 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Problem is, a lot of people love trump, but precious few people like hillary. They will vote for her because she is democrat or because she is a woman, or because they like Bill. I adore Hillary and Bill both. I'm not so fond of Chelsea, though. Strange. I can relate to both Hillary and Bill. I can't relate to Trump at all. Not in the slightest.   #2392   Apr 1, '16, 9:23 am Sy Noe Senior Member   Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,022 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Problem is, a lot of people love trump, but precious few people like hillary. They will vote for her because she is democrat or because she is a woman, or because they like Bill. "A lot of people love Trump" seems to translate to about 37% give or take of those voting in his own party's primaries and caucuses. There is a "Stop Trump" movement going on right now within the Republican ranks. Trump has won 37 percent of Republican votes and is regarded unfavorably by more than 60 percent of general election voters. It's hard to get from there to 270 electoral votes. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...es_130052.html __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #2393   Apr 1, '16, 9:26 am Sy Noe Senior Member   Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,022 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Lily Bernans Plenty of problems on the Republicans' watch Hillary can bring up. Off course she can't attack Trump's experience because he hasn't got any! No matter what anyone thinks of her tenure as SoS, she will mop the floor with Trump on foreign affairs. She has been to countries he has probably never heard of. I don't even dislike Trump. I just dislike him as a presidential candidate, but I do support his right to run. I won't vote for him, but I support his right to try to win my vote. To be fair, Lily, he tells us all the time he is experienced at building very tall buildings. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #2394   Apr 1, '16, 9:26 am gilliam Forum Elder   Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe "A lot of people love Trump" seems to translate to about 37% give or take of those voting in his own party's primaries and caucuses. There is a "Stop Trump" movement going on right now within the Republican ranks. I think it is much less than that. He has managed to turn off people who voted for him early on in the process. Quote: Trump has won 37 percent of Republican votes and is regarded unfavorably by more than 60 percent of general election voters. It's hard to get from there to 270 electoral votes. Yep, and the only person he has to blame is himself. __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #2395   Apr 1, '16, 9:26 am Lily Bernans   Join Date: June 9, 2015 Posts: 6,603 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe "A lot of people love Trump" seems to translate to about 37% give or take of those voting in his own party's primaries and caucuses. There is a "Stop Trump" movement going on right now within the Republican ranks. Trump has won 37 percent of Republican votes and is regarded unfavorably by more than 60 percent of general election voters. It's hard to get from there to 270 electoral votes. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...es_130052.html Trump has the highest unfavorable rating of any presidential candidate in history.   #2396   Apr 1, '16, 9:28 am Lily Bernans   Join Date: June 9, 2015 Posts: 6,603 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe To be fair, Lily, he tells us all the time he is experienced at building very tall buildings. And would be good at building very tall walls, Sy!   #2397   Apr 1, '16, 9:29 am Sy Noe Senior Member   Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,022 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam I think it is much less than that. He has managed to turn off people who voted for him early on in the process. Yep, and the only person he has to blame is himself. Good point. I hadn't thought about some of those who voted for him early could by now be turned off. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #2398   Apr 1, '16, 9:30 am Exiled Child Veteran Member   Join Date: June 30, 2014 Posts: 12,300 Religion: Catholic Re: Trump Thread C.S. Lewis predicted Donald Trump C.S. Lewis isn’t the first person you would think would have predicted Donald Trump.... Continues at the link below. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...pm_local_pop_b This'll probably just get lost in the deluge of other Donald Trump posts, but maybe not..... __________________ Solvitur ambulando…. It is solved by walking… ~Augustine   #2399   Apr 1, '16, 9:34 am Sy Noe Senior Member   Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,022 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Lily Bernans And would be good at building very tall walls, Sy! And thinks someone else will pay for them. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #2400   Apr 1, '16, 9:50 am Lily Bernans   Join Date: June 9, 2015 Posts: 6,603 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe And thinks someone else will pay for them. LOL Right! I forgot about that.     Apr 1, '16, 10:15 am Thorolfr Regular Member   Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by estesbob And Trump jumps on her for the absolute disaster her term as SOS was. Dead diplomats, belligerent Russia, middle east in turmoil and terrorists attacks on the rise. All of these are complicated issues over which no US diplomat has much control. The instability in the Middle East is due more to the incompetence of the Bush administration than to anything Clinton did.   #2402   Apr 1, '16, 10:38 am Thorolfr Regular Member   Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: Trump Thread Here's something interesting: Quote: Republicans who once worried that Mr. Trump might gain overwhelming momentum in the primaries are now becoming preoccupied with a different grim prospect: that Mr. Trump might become a kind of zombie candidate — damaged beyond the point of repair, but too late for any of his rivals to stop him. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/02/us...=top-news&_r=0 That's an interesting image, Donald Trump as zombie candidate.   #2403   Apr 1, '16, 10:44 am Ridgerunner Forum Elder   Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,704 Religion: Catholic Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr All of these are complicated issues over which no US diplomat has much control. The instability in the Middle East is due more to the incompetence of the Bush administration than to anything Clinton did. You can blame Bush for Iraq if you wish, though it was the abandonment of Iraq that caused the present problem. Remember? Obama even claimed "victory" there for himself. Syria is a whole different thing. We were never in Syria until it went bad. Then Obama backed two warring sides simultaneously, refused to cooperate with Turkey in driving ISIS out.   #2404   Apr 1, '16, 10:49 am Thorolfr Regular Member   Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Ridgerunner You can blame Bush for Iraq if you wish, though it was the abandonment of Iraq that caused the present problem. Remember? Obama even claimed "victory" there for himself. Syria is a whole different thing. We were never in Syria until it went bad. Then Obama backed two warring sides simultaneously, refused to cooperate with Turkey in driving ISIS out. It was the Bush administration which negotiated the time table for the US pull out of Iraq, not Obama. Also, Syria borders Iraq and the instability in Syria is partly due to what was happening in neighboring Iraq. Nevertheless, it is doubtful that anything the US can do could control what is happening in that region.   #2405   Apr 1, '16, 11:17 am FollowChrist34 Senior Member   Join Date: March 31, 2013 Posts: 6,324 Religion: Christian Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Good Tidings Hey, call me crazy, but I am so sick of men telling woman how they should feel and behave. I think that only women should be allowed to determine the choices that women have. No one knows better what is involved in making this decision, certainly not men. I have always found this a bit off - children are created by men and women after all. 50-50. To me this issue is about realizing the horror of what you are doing when you choose your own needs over the needs of the human being you have created, your own flesh and blood, your own child living in you. (and in many cases how did you get in such an irresponsible mess to be at the point of terminating the life of a child just to keep going in your life) Sickening, sickening situation. Nothing to do with any right to choose anything. Damage control when it is too late. Then rationalized. I don't want to be harsh but I can't understand going through with it; to me that is kind of inhuman - just my opinion. __________________ And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.   #2406   Apr 1, '16, 11:22 am Theo520 Regular Member   Join Date: August 8, 2014 Posts: 5,526 Religion: Christian Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr All of these are complicated issues over which no US diplomat has much control. The instability in the Middle East is due more to the incompetence of the Bush administration than to anything Clinton did. While individual diplomats have little control, that's not true of the SOS. Hillary should take responsibility for our efforts to cause regime change in Libya and how we encouraged the Arab Spring uprising, and resulting problems. Stop blaming Bush for Obama Admin failures. __________________ FACTS MATTER!   #2407   Apr 1, '16, 11:36 am Thorolfr Regular Member   Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Theo520 While individual diplomats have little control, that's not true of the SOS. Hillary should take responsibility for our efforts to cause regime change in Libya and how we encouraged the Arab Spring uprising, and resulting problems. Stop blaming Bush for Obama Admin failures. Encouraging the Arab Springs was the right thing to do unless we just want to encourage and support undemocratic dictators who are oppressing their people instead. Having lived in Egypt for many years, I was certainly not sad to see the overthrow of Mr. Mubarak.   #2408   Apr 1, '16, 11:46 am TCEL Regular Member   Join Date: January 17, 2014 Posts: 2,440 Religion: Catholic Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by FollowChrist34 I don't want to be harsh but I can't understand going through with it; to me that is kind of inhuman - just my opinion. You are a better person than I. Giving birth deepened both my compassion for women and my horror of abortion. Pregnancy hormones ran laps around me. I wasn't prepared for that. I mean, I'm surrounded by people who love me, but what about those women who don't have that? The people at the crisis pregnancy clinic I volunteered at knew exactly what they were talking about. They said we must treat every woman who comes through the door like we would treat Christ. (And here I made the practical suggestion of having ginger sucking candy or something.) __________________ From Jewish Passover to Christian Eucharist: the Story of the Todah “If men will not be governed by the Ten Commandments, they shall be governed by the ten thousand commandments.” ― G.K. Chesterton   #2409   Apr 1, '16, 12:15 pm FollowChrist34 Senior Member   Join Date: March 31, 2013 Posts: 6,324 Religion: Christian Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by TCEL You are a better person than I. Giving birth deepened both my compassion for women and my horror of abortion. Pregnancy hormones ran laps around me. I wasn't prepared for that. I mean, I'm surrounded by people who love me, but what about those women who don't have that? The people at the crisis pregnancy clinic I volunteered at knew exactly what they were talking about. They said we must treat every woman who comes through the door like we would treat Christ. (And here I made the practical suggestion of having ginger sucking candy or something.) No, I agree. (I don't have kids so I can't speak to that.) I understand why compassion is in order for women in this situation; there is incredible suffering. Maybe because I visualize so much about things - I just picture it as my child, right? What color of hair will it have? If you eat an orange, the kid eats an orange. If you drink a beer, the kid drinks a beer. Your blood stream is the blood stream of the child. I would feel that way right from the start. It would not just be my child when it had a heartbeat or could feel pain or whatever. If I wanted it, I would be feeding it granola, oranges, milk, playing it Mozart; if I didn't it would not matter because I would be fully aware that it would never see the light of day. I get that they are many reasons why mothers have abortions; I don't get the trying to rationalize away the reality of what is happening, of what you are doing. And I do feel I should not speculate too much here - it is so difficult and I have never been there. My larger point is that people reduce it to a 'right.' I cannot relate to that thinking; it completely alienates me. IMHO it is a lie. (My aunt had had three sons and did have an abortion later in life; I once asked if her if she ever thought about that abortion, that child - she said yes, 'that was my daughter '- blew my mind - and she was very prochoice) __________________ And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.   #2410   Apr 1, '16, 12:40 pm Ridgerunner Forum Elder   Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,704 Religion: Catholic Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr It was the Bush administration which negotiated the time table for the US pull out of Iraq, not Obama. Also, Syria borders Iraq and the instability in Syria is partly due to what was happening in neighboring Iraq. Nevertheless, it is doubtful that anything the US can do could control what is happening in that region. No treaty agreement is forever. It came up for renewal. The Joint Chiefs recommended leaving the 25,000 the Iraqi government wanted. Later, Maliki said he would settle for 10,000 and would guarantee extraterritoriality to U.S. troops. (the "Status of Forces" agreement) Obama refused, saying his limit was 3,000, fewer than he has there now. Maliki couldn't sell that to the Iraqi parliament because they all knew that wouldn't be enough, and that was the end. Obama knew he was presenting Maliki with an impossible choice. Even Obama's own CIA director admitted that. Obama himself did too, on national TV. He admitted he didn't want a Status of Forces agreement. He just wanted out. Then, of course, Obama declared "victory" for himself in Iraq. Ideological devotion to Obama is one thing, but the facts are the facts.   #2411   Apr 1, '16, 12:43 pm Ridgerunner Forum Elder   Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,704 Religion: Catholic Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr Encouraging the Arab Springs was the right thing to do unless we just want to encourage and support undemocratic dictators who are oppressing their people instead. Having lived in Egypt for many years, I was certainly not sad to see the overthrow of Mr. Mubarak. You preferred the dictatorship of the Muslim Brotherhood? Fortunately for Egypt, the Egyptian army didn't.   #2412   Apr 1, '16, 12:50 pm Ridgerunner Forum Elder   Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,704 Religion: Catholic Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr It was the Bush administration which negotiated the time table for the US pull out of Iraq, not Obama. Also, Syria borders Iraq and the instability in Syria is partly due to what was happening in neighboring Iraq. Nevertheless, it is doubtful that anything the US can do could control what is happening in that region. Again, no treaty agreement is forever, and the agreement in question was the Status of Forces agreement, not an agreement to pull out. Treaties are renegotiated from time to time. If Obama admitted on TV that he didn't want a Status of Forces agreement, which he did, we ought to take him at his word. And why would you think his CIA director would lie about Obama not seriously negotiating with Malik for the extension of the agreement? Obama didn't want a renewal. He said it himself.   #2413   Apr 1, '16, 12:51 pm Darryl1958 Forum Master   Join Date: December 22, 2008 Posts: 14,260 Religion: Unlisted Re: Trump Thread Hillary Clinton would have ensured that troops stayed in Iraq. Does anyone doubt that a President McCain would have ensured the same? Indeed, those who voted against McCain and now proclaim that Obama had no choice voted against McCain for precisely the reason that Obama promised withdrawal ASAP and McCain promised to stay as long as it takes. It is not as if the POTUS is entirely without influence in international affairs, and must acquiesce to the wills of the weak. Obama withdrew because people elected him to withdraw. The choice was real enough for the American people, and people realized it was not an academic one at the time of that election. If the people making the argument that Obama had no choice actually would have opted for him staying if they believed it was possible, the argument would at least not be disingenuous. Of course, nobody making that argument wanted American troops to remain in Iraq. They are quite happy that America has withdrawn, and are indifferent to the consequences that surely followed such a move.   #2414   Apr 1, '16, 1:21 pm _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior   Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,516 Religion: Catholic Re: Trump Thread Delegates ready to flee Trump at contested convention Quote: If Trump fails to clinch 1,237 delegates outright, already more than a hundred are poised to break from him on a second ballot. Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...#ixzz44bmDDB00 Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook __________________ Human Life International helps to build the culture of life in more than "100 countries". Please help their mission: https://www.hli.org   #2415   Apr 1, '16, 1:45 pm grotto   Join Date: March 22, 2005 Posts: 2,894 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by queenofheartscv Just wait till trump gets on hillary for her lies, email scandal, incompetency, bengahzi scandal. The media revels in dishing on the GOP and they always hide the dirt on democrats. Trump won't let them get away with it. He's the only one who will go there with Hillary. **************************************** **************************************** ******************* I really think that Hillary will not be in a position to argue with anyone soon! It can't be soon enough IMO. The voices of Gruber will fade away when reality crashes down. __________________ "What amazed Edward Winslow during the summer of 1622 was how "reasonable men will be led to reason against their own safety." MAYFLOWER by Nathaniel Philbrick       Apr 1, '16, 1:51 pm TMC Senior Member   Join Date: October 15, 2007 Posts: 6,724 Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe And thinks someone else will pay for them. Someone else has always paid for his other mistakes, so I can see why he thinks that. __________________ Who are you to pass judgment on someone else's servant? Romans 14:4   #2417   Apr 1, '16, 1:52 pm Lily Bernans   Join Date: June 9, 2015 Posts: 6,603 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr All of these are complicated issues over which no US diplomat has much control. The instability in the Middle East is due more to the incompetence of the Bush administration than to anything Clinton did. That's true.   #2418   Apr 1, '16, 1:52 pm Thorolfr Regular Member   Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Ridgerunner You preferred the dictatorship of the Muslim Brotherhood? Fortunately for Egypt, the Egyptian army didn't. So you like army dictatorships better? You make it sound as if all these issues have easy solutions, but they don't. And although I'm no fan of Morsi, general Abdel Fattah el-Sisi is hardly any better.   #2419   Apr 1, '16, 1:53 pm TMC Senior Member   Join Date: October 15, 2007 Posts: 6,724 Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr Here's something interesting: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/02/us...=top-news&_r=0 That's an interesting image, Donald Trump as zombie candidate. The zombie candidate is one of the reasons that the Dems invented superdelegates, so that the supers could knock out someone that did great early but became unelectable. I have never liked the idea of superdelegates, but many in the GOP are now wishing they had them. __________________ Who are you to pass judgment on someone else's servant? Romans 14:4   #2420   Apr 1, '16, 1:54 pm Lily Bernans   Join Date: June 9, 2015 Posts: 6,603 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by grotto **************************************** **************************************** ******************* I really think that Hillary will not be in a position to argue with anyone soon! It can't be soon enough IMO. The voices of Gruber will fade away when reality crashes down. She won't even be indicted let alone go to prison. That is probably the last thing on her mind, as it should be.   #2421   Apr 1, '16, 1:57 pm estesbob Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter   Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 48,606 Religion: Catholic Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr All of these are complicated issues over which no US diplomat has much control. The instability in the Middle East is due more to the incompetence of the Bush administration than to anything Clinton did. After 8 years and people still blaming Bush..................   #2422   Apr 1, '16, 2:00 pm Ridgerunner Forum Elder   Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,704 Religion: Catholic Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr So you like army dictatorships better? You make it sound as if all these issues have easy solutions, but they don't. And although I'm no fan of Morsi, general Abdel Fattah el-Sisi is hardly any better. Some things are worse than others. Radical Islamic dictatorships are generally worse than any others. Morsi's "party" is the Muslim Brotherhood, father of Al Quaeda, Hamas and ISIS. And Al-Sisi is the one who is responsible for pushing new legislation for the protection of Christian churches in Egypt. He is the one who got the Islamic clerics together in order to urge them to preach non-violence. The Obama/Clinton administration, of course, shuns and penalizes Al-Sisi. Never did I say any of those things have easy solutions. But backing the "Arab Spring" was a disaster without redeeming feature.   #2423   Apr 1, '16, 2:02 pm Sy Noe Senior Member   Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,022 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by TMC The zombie candidate is one of the reasons that the Dems invented superdelegates, so that the supers could knock out someone that did great early but became unelectable. I have never liked the idea of superdelegates, but many in the GOP are now wishing they had them. The GOP does have unbound delegates though which still could help them in their current predicament. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #2424   Apr 1, '16, 2:02 pm Ridgerunner Forum Elder   Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,704 Religion: Catholic Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Lily Bernans She won't even be indicted let alone go to prison. That is probably the last thing on her mind, as it should be. Unless she knows the fix is in, which it might be, she would have to be made of stone for it not to bother her. Well, thinking that out again, and remembering her laughing about the torture of Quaddhaffi and her unlimited backing of abortion, including partial birth abortion, she just might be made of stone alright.   #2425   Apr 1, '16, 2:04 pm Robert Bay Moderator   Join Date: June 26, 2005 Posts: 32,561 Religion: Catholic Re: Trump Thread MODERATOR NOTICE Please keep to the topic of the thread. For example: Please keep the Hillary Clinton topics on the Hillary Clinton thread and the Trump topics on the Trump thread __________________ Robert Bay, Moderator Forum Rules Never let evil talk pass your lips; say only the good things men need to hear, things that will really help them. (Ephesians 4:29) Moderator direction can be appealed by sending an email to: forumadmin@catholic.com   #2426   Apr 1, '16, 2:12 pm TMC Senior Member   Join Date: October 15, 2007 Posts: 6,724 Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe The GOP does have unbound delegates though which still could help them in their current predicament. True, but the numbers are small. If its close they could make the difference, though. __________________ Who are you to pass judgment on someone else's servant? Romans 14:4   #2427   Apr 1, '16, 2:19 pm gilliam Forum Elder   Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: Trump Thread Of note: Media has focused on historical high of Trump's unfavorables, but so too are Cruz and Hillary. All are historical highs. __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #2428   Apr 1, '16, 2:23 pm queenofheartscv Regular Member   Join Date: January 25, 2016 Posts: 3,398 Religion: Catholic Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by TMC The zombie candidate is one of the reasons that the Dems invented superdelegates, so that the supers could knock out someone that did great early but became unelectable. I have never liked the idea of superdelegates, but many in the GOP are now wishing they had them. Who gets to define which is a zombie candidate? You and those who don't like trump?   #2429   Apr 1, '16, 2:32 pm Peter J Forum Elder   Join Date: April 7, 2008 Posts: 17,590 Religion: Catholic Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam Trump is a very weak candidate. He should have collapsed a long time ago. The only thing keeping him going was the huge number of other candidates and the odd way the primaries played out. I have to disagree with you there: that's one reason he has kept going, but there are others. Including the fact that the media has portrayed him as the "Clark Kent" of presidential candidates.   #2430   Apr 1, '16, 2:34 pm gilliam Forum Elder   Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: Trump Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Peter J I have to disagree with you there: that's one reason he has kept going, but there are others. Including the fact that the media has portrayed him as the "Clark Kent" of presidential candidates. I don't think so. The media has put him on because he is entertaining. More like the Teddy Roosevelt or Andrew Jackson of this era. __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology