Re: Sanders Thread
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Sanders supporters as a whole don't really seem to be clamoring for
stuff even in their rhetoric either. The interviews and internet
postings all seem to align more along the idea that young people simply
hate the currently political system and climate. It is probably the same
theme encouraging Trump supporters. Anything that attacks the people in
power is attractive more or less.[/QUOTE]
On this we can agree.
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It frightens me to believe there are so many people who believe the
federal government should assume control and take over all public
universities in the nation. For Sanders to keep his promise about
tuition free college education, this would have to happen. Otherwise,
what is to stop each public university from drastically raising its
tuition rates even more than they're doing now if they know the federal
government will have to pay 100% of it?
The reason college is so expensive right now is largely due to the feds. It will only be more expensive if Sanders gets his way.
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Originally Posted by Bataar
It frightens me to believe there are so
many people who believe the federal government should assume control and
take over all public universities in the nation. For Sanders to keep
his promise about tuition free college education, this would have to
happen. Otherwise, what is to stop each public university from
drastically raising its tuition rates even more than they're doing now
if they know the federal government will have to pay 100% of it?
The reason college is so expensive right now is largely due to the feds. It will only be more expensive if Sanders gets his way.
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The federal government doesn't have much control over other public
schooling systems besides setting educational standards so you are
probably jumping the gun a bit. Accreditation requirements and a lack of
funding flexibility would be the primary changes most likely.
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Democrats to Sanders: Time to wind it down
Democratic senators of all stripes are as impressed as they are surprised by Bernie Sanders’ insurgent campaign.
But the time has come, they say, for Sanders to start winding things down.
After holding their fire on Sanders for the better part of a year, the
senators — all backers of Hillary Clinton — are gently calling on
Sanders to face the reality that there’s almost no chance he’s going to
be the Democratic nominee. They don’t say outright he should quit; doing
so would be counterproductive, they say.
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I hope Sanders stays in, I suspect a lot of his supporters will stay home rather than vote for Clinton.
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POLITICO:
I hope Sanders stays in, I suspect a lot of his supporters will stay home rather than vote for Clinton.
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I would love to see Bernie beat Hillary!
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Sanders declined to speak at some sort of Israeli conference, AIPAC. All
of the other candidates did except for the one Jewish candidate.
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Originally Posted by PatrickSebast
The federal government doesn't have much
control over other public schooling systems besides setting educational
standards so you are probably jumping the gun a bit. Accreditation
requirements and a lack of funding flexibility would be the primary
changes most likely.
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Sanders is promising that tuition will be free. If the federal
government doesn't control the universities, that means they'll have to
pay whatever the university charges, which means rates will be going up
much faster than they are now. Obviously that won't work so what will
happen is nothing changes or they put some kind of cap/limit on what the
federal government will cover. Universities will raise rates and things
will be just as they are now with students racking up just as much
debt. The only difference is that the federal government will be paying a
lot more for it.
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POLITICO:
I hope Sanders stays in, I suspect a lot of his supporters will stay home rather than vote for Clinton.
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Yeah in 08, people suspected Hillary supporters would stay home
too or not vote for Obama. Obama also won states in the general which
Hillary had won in the primaries. A lot might depend on Bernie. He will
make a speech at the convention I am certain and he has been very clear
on our need to keep Republicans such as Trump/Cruz out of the WH. He has
been very vocal about Trump. Btw I'm one of his supporters and I'm
already on board with Clinton. And it's only March. Nov is still nearly 8
mos away.
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Originally Posted by Bataar
Sanders is promising that tuition will be
free. If the federal government doesn't control the universities, that
means they'll have to pay whatever the university charges, which means
rates will be going up much faster than they are now. Obviously that
won't work so what will happen is nothing changes or they put some kind
of cap/limit on what the federal government will cover. Universities
will raise rates and things will be just as they are now with students
racking up just as much debt. The only difference is that the federal
government will be paying a lot more for it.
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Nothing is free. We all will be paying for free college were it to
be enacted. I sent mine to college, I don't want to pay for someone
else's kids.
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Nothing is free. We all will be paying
for free college were it to be enacted. I sent mine to college, I don't
want to pay for someone else's kids.
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I know nothing is free, I just want an explanation on how he will control costs.
Take the University of Washington. Annual tuition, not counting room and
board, food, books/suplies, etc, just tuition is about $12,000 a year.
Under Sanders' tax plan, the funds are generated and the student can
attend school without paying that tuition. (We all know it won't work
that smooth, but for the sake of the argument, it does). Next year, the
school raises their rates to $15,000 for tuition. The federal government
works its magic and pays for it. The next year, they raise rates to
$20,000 a year. The government then has to either keep to its promise
and pay, knowing that because of their own action, tuition is $8,000
more, or they have to say, sorry, we're not paying more than $15,000 and
the student will have to make up the difference.
In the end, we'd be worse off than now because the student will
ultimately end up in just as much debt, plus we'd all be paying a lot
more out of taxes and increased costs of goods/services. To stop this
from happening, it seems the only option would be for the fed to take
complete control over all public colleges and universities.
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Sanders just won the Democrats Abroad primaries.
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Well that means he cut into her lead by 5 delegates. He received 9. She 4.
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Originally Posted by Bataar
I know nothing is free, I just want an explanation on how he will control costs.
Take the University of Washington. Annual tuition, not counting room and
board, food, books/suplies, etc, just tuition is about $12,000 a year.
Under Sanders' tax plan, the funds are generated and the student can
attend school without paying that tuition. (We all know it won't work
that smooth, but for the sake of the argument, it does). Next year, the
school raises their rates to $15,000 for tuition. The federal government
works its magic and pays for it. The next year, they raise rates to
$20,000 a year. The government then has to either keep to its promise
and pay, knowing that because of their own action, tuition is $8,000
more, or they have to say, sorry, we're not paying more than $15,000 and
the student will have to make up the difference.
In the end, we'd be worse off than now because the student will
ultimately end up in just as much debt, plus we'd all be paying a lot
more out of taxes and increased costs of goods/services. To stop this
from happening, it seems the only option would be for the fed to take
complete control over all public colleges and universities.
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Why would the federal government fund it any differently than our
current public school system? The universities won't get to set the fees
just like high schools don't set a tuition. There are certainly
problems with public funding of higher education but this isn't one of
them.
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Originally Posted by PatrickSebast
Why would the federal government fund it
any differently than our current public school system? The universities
won't get to set the fees just like high schools don't set a tuition.
There are certainly problems with public funding of higher education but
this isn't one of them.
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The federal government only funds K-12 schools to about 8% of
their total - the rest is local. Sanders is proposing a 100% payment for
tuition at public universities. His site touts the $243 per year
average tuition in 1965 while decrying the current cost. What he doesn't
mention is that it was 1966 that the federal government started the
student loan program, and the universities saw a massive new pipeline of
free money coming from the government - all they had to do was raise
their tuition to get more money. Every single time prices have jumped,
it can be tied to a new source of money. As soon as it was easier to get
a mortgage, housing prices shot up. Credit cards become commonplace,
and the price of common goods skyrockets. Auto loans become the norm,
and cars now cost more than the average house used to.
With the government promising 100% tuition coverage for every student,
what we would see is the lowering of admissions standards and a massive
hike in tuition prices.
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The federal government only funds K-12
schools to about 8% of their total - the rest is local. Sanders is
proposing a 100% payment for tuition at public universities. His site
touts the $243 per year average tuition in 1965 while decrying the
current cost. What he doesn't mention is that it was 1966 that the
federal government started the student loan program, and the
universities saw a massive new pipeline of free money coming from the
government - all they had to do was raise their tuition to get more
money. Every single time prices have jumped, it can be tied to a new
source of money. As soon as it was easier to get a mortgage, housing
prices shot up. Credit cards become commonplace, and the price of common
goods skyrockets. Auto loans become the norm, and cars now cost more
than the average house used to.
With the government promising 100% tuition coverage for every student,
what we would see is the lowering of admissions standards and a massive
hike in tuition prices.
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Gee whiz, did all that GI educational money cause universities to raise the rates also?
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Gee whiz, did all that GI educational money cause universities to raise the rates also?
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The military accounts for less than 1% of the US population. 70%
of graduates had student loans. Which do you think had more impact?
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The military accounts for less than 1% of
the US population. 70% of graduates had student loans. Which do you
think had more impact?
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In the 50's? I thought it was one of the major causes of the middle class?
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3000 showed up to see Bernie last night in Flagstaff, Az.
It was an outside venue and chilly temperatures and wind.
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In the 50's? I thought it was one of the major causes of the middle class?
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At the peak of the GI bill in 1947, veterans only accounted for
49% of all college admissions. That was when the percentage of military
participation has reached it's all-time peak of 12% of the population.
The GI bill was a one-time bucket of money that almost immediately
became an almost-negligible trickle, from the universities' point of
view. Student loans have been a steady flow of cash since 1966, and now
Mr. Sanders is suggesting we turn it into a firehose. There is exactly
zero possibility of the universities not taking full advantage of such a
situation. When one tells a business that cost is no object, it's
guaranteed that costs will increase by orders of magnitude.
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Originally Posted by Monkey1976
The federal government only funds K-12
schools to about 8% of their total - the rest is local. Sanders is
proposing a 100% payment for tuition at public universities. His site
touts the $243 per year average tuition in 1965 while decrying the
current cost. What he doesn't mention is that it was 1966 that the
federal government started the student loan program, and the
universities saw a massive new pipeline of free money coming from the
government - all they had to do was raise their tuition to get more
money. Every single time prices have jumped, it can be tied to a new
source of money. As soon as it was easier to get a mortgage, housing
prices shot up. Credit cards become commonplace, and the price of common
goods skyrockets. Auto loans become the norm, and cars now cost more
than the average house used to.
With the government promising 100% tuition coverage for every student,
what we would see is the lowering of admissions standards and a massive
hike in tuition prices.
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Federal or local is irrelevant, the point is that the schools
don't just arbitrarily get to decide how much funding they are going to
make when they are publicly supported. If higher education was made into
a publicly funded system it would be the government setting the budget
(with the advice of the institutions of course) just like with every
other publicly funded system. DOTs don't choose their funding, the
military doesn't choose it's funding, the FBI doesn't choose it's
funding... that is just how it works.
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Federal or local is irrelevant, the point
is that the schools don't just arbitrarily get to decide how much
funding they are going to make when they are publicly supported. If
higher education was made into a publicly funded system it would be the
government setting the budget (with the advice of the institutions of
course) just like with every other publicly funded system. DOTs don't
choose their funding, the military doesn't choose it's funding, the FBI
doesn't choose it's funding... that is just how it works.
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The biggest difference is that unlike elementary and high schools,
each public college is unique to itself. They have their own president
and system of directors to run/manage the university. Do you see them
willingly giving up that control and the paychecks that go with it?
Without taking control of the universities, the federal government does
not have the authority to tell a university what to charge for tuition.
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In the 50's? I thought it was one of the major causes of the middle class?
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Nope. It's impact was never huge.
The 50's were a boon because we had just bombed every single 1st world
country back to the Stone Age. The US was the only industrialized
country left. So when manufacturing, building, and production were
needed in the 50's, there was only one country who could fulfill that
need.
It also helped that we had a pretty good President then who didn't
meddle very much and left the free market mostly alone. That's why the
50's were so incredible from an economic standpoint. It was in marked
contrast to the constant meddling and manipulation that we experienced
in the 30's and 40's which caused the Great Depression to last so long.
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The biggest difference is that unlike
elementary and high schools, each public college is unique to itself.
They have their own president and system of directors to run/manage the
university. Do you see them willingly giving up that control and the
paychecks that go with it? Without taking control of the universities,
the federal government does not have the authority to tell a university
what to charge for tuition.
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The government has the authority to tell them what they will pay
per student to anyone who wants to remain a public institution. And that
is exactly what they would do. If the school didn't like it they could
look into going private. This is a pretty standard form of budgeting.
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The government has the authority to tell
them what they will pay per student to anyone who wants to remain a
public institution. And that is exactly what they would do. If the
school didn't like it they could look into going private. This is a
pretty standard form of budgeting.
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So what happens when the schools simply raise tuition by the
amount that the government is willing to pay? Do we let the government
increase the limit?
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If the universities raise tuition, wouldn't taxes would have to be raised even more than what Bernie would want?
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Originally Posted by PatrickSebast
The government has the authority to tell
them what they will pay per student to anyone who wants to remain a
public institution. And that is exactly what they would do. If the
school didn't like it they could look into going private. This is a
pretty standard form of budgeting.
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Right. So the government says they will pay X amount. The schools
then continue to raise rates until the students have to take just as
much loan debt as they currently do only the schools are making a lot
more money due to the drastic increase in federal spending. Nobody wins
but the school's administrators. This plan of Bernie's will simply not
work.
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Right. So the government says they will
pay X amount. The schools then continue to raise rates until the
students have to take just as much loan debt as they currently do only
the schools are making a lot more money due to the drastic increase in
federal spending. Nobody wins but the school's administrators. This plan
of Bernie's will simply not work.
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Exactly. It's basic economics - the more money is available, the
higher prices will be. All Mr. Sanders' proposal will do is further
drive up the price of higher education.
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Why are we talking about public free college when we can't even get k-12 right?
If kids had a decent k-12 education they'd be able to find jobs and be
able to advance. Too much of junior college (what they want to make
free) is about completing what was attempted in K-12.
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Right. So the government says they will
pay X amount. The schools then continue to raise rates until the
students have to take just as much loan debt as they currently do only
the schools are making a lot more money due to the drastic increase in
federal spending. Nobody wins but the school's administrators. This plan
of Bernie's will simply not work.
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No...the publicly funded schools would be required to allow
students to come free of charge in order to receive the money. I don't
understand why everyone in this thread is acting like there aren't
already programs in place across the world that have accomplished this
exact thing and that US lawmakers couldn't handle a basic budgetary
enforcement protocol.
I'm not even calling it a good policy, I am just saying that the
argument being used against it is incredibly naive and out of place.
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Thanks, SL!
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/...rder/82032986/
I'm interested to see what happens in Arizona. Frankly, a great many of my Democratic friends are Bernie supporters.
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Hm seems like I need to get my eyes checked because where I am
from affluent urban California all the people voting for Sanders are in
the 20s 30s and 40s! Never really seen many older people voting for this
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I didn't know that it was possible for a state to secede. How would this come about?
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It would happen like it happened in 1860. The Southern states
would leave the Union one by one and form the reborn Confederate States
of America in opposition to the Sanders Administration.
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What is it with you and secession? 
Why should/would the US let any state secede?
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It would happen like it happened in 1860.
The Southern states would leave the Union one by one and form the
reborn Confederate States of America in opposition to the Sanders
Administration.
I support the idea of secession in extreme circumstances. Bernie getting
elected is an extreme circumstance because he is a socialist. Socialism
goes against Southern values.
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What exactly are 'Southern values?'.
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I'm not Southern but Southern values are historically understood
as values that are originally associated with the Scotch-Irish (i.e.,
Ulster Scots) who settled in the South and Pennsylvania before the
American Revolutionary War but have now spread as the values of many,
though of course not all, Americans.
These values included a strong distrust of government and that religion
(originally of the various American sects of Calvinist Christianity) and
morality is important as a foundation for society and government.
I think Southern values are best summed up in a famous quote attributed
to Thomas Jefferson, who although not Scotch-Irish but a Southerner,
said "That government is best which governs least."
"Author (and U.S. Senator) Jim Webb puts forth a thesis in his book Born
Fighting to suggest that the character traits he ascribes to the
Scotch-Irish such as loyalty to kin, extreme mistrust of governmental
authority and legal strictures, and a propensity to bear arms and to use
them, helped shape the American identity. In the same year that Webb's
book was released, Barry A. Vann published his second book entitled
Rediscovering the South's Celtic Heritage. Like his earlier book, From
Whence They Came (1998), Vann argues that these traits have left their
imprint on the Upland South. In 2008, Vann followed up his earlier work
with a book entitled In Search of Ulster Scots Land: The Birth and
Geotheological Imagings of a Transatlantic People which professes how
these traits may manifest themselves in conservative voting patterns and
religious affiliation that characterizes the Bible Belt."
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I'm not Southern but Southern values are
historically understood are values that are originally associated with
the Scotch-Irish (i.e., Ulster Scots) who settled in the South and
Pennsylvania before the American Revolutionary War but have now spread
as the values of many, though of course not all, Americans.
These values included a strong distrust of government and that religion
(originally of the various American sects of Calvinist Christianity) and
morality is important as a foundation for society and government.
I think Southern values are best summed up in a famous quote from Thomas
Jefferson, who although not Scotch-Irish but a Southerner, is
attributed as saying "That government is best which governs least."
"Author (and U.S. Senator) Jim Webb puts forth a thesis in his book Born
Fighting to suggest that the character traits he ascribes to the
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authority and legal strictures, and a propensity to bear arms and to use
them, helped shape the American identity. In the same year that Webb's
book was released, Barry A. Vann published his second book entitled
Rediscovering the South's Celtic Heritage. Like his earlier book, From
Whence They Came (1998), Vann argues that these traits have left their
imprint on the Upland South. In 2008, Vann followed up his earlier work
with a book entitled In Search of Ulster Scots Land: The Birth and
Geotheological Imagings of a Transatlantic People which professes how
these traits may manifest themselves in conservative voting patterns and
religious affiliation that characterizes the Bible Belt."
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Thank you for this. I honestly thought "southern values" was more
along the lines of slavery is just fine and it's ok to be prejudiced.
Probably depends on who is evoking southern values.
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Yep, it is why I don't play spelling Nazi
often. But I figure if you are going to talk about something as
intrinsic to US political history as states seceding it is probably best
to use the right term. I do agree with your post though in general and I
am not sure what all this talk about the Confederate States been reborn
is meant to accomplish. No states will likely seced in your nation if
Mr. Sanders win. I notice in the USA every time a candidate who
polarizes opinion comes along during each election cycle you get this
whole 'states will secede' stuff rolling out like clockwork, strangely
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What exactly are 'Southern values?'.
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It would happen like it happened in 1860.
The Southern states would leave the Union one by one and form the
reborn Confederate States of America in opposition to the Sanders
Administration.
I support the idea of secession in extreme circumstances. Bernie getting
elected is an extreme circumstance because he is a socialist. Socialism
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In 2008 Obama won VA, NC, FL and VA and FL again in 2012. So if
Bernie were to win the Democratic party's nomination and those states
vote Democratic again, I doubt they would secede.
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Lets see I'm a liberal, support Bernie and I have faith. Bernie
and I value family. Bernie in fact seems to have a nice family with a
wife, children, grandchildren. All whom he values dearly. And I don't
personally know him, but he seems to be a responsible person.
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Lets see I'm a liberal, support Bernie
and I have faith. Bernie and I value family. Bernie in fact seems to
have a nice family with a wife, children, grandchildren. All whom he
values dearly. And I don't personally know him, but he seems to be a
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I don't personally know Bernie, either, Sy, but I do know when
asked what he considered his greatest accomplish, he said it was his
marriage and children. To me, that sounds like a man who values his
family very much.
He also said, and I'm sure you recall, that being Jewish was very
important to him, a part of his identity. To me, that sounds like he
values his faith.
Like you, I find Bernie Sanders to be a very responsible and honest
person, who really seems to care about the US and the people who live
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If all that's socialism, I'll take some more. The US needs it.
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Perhaps that explains why many of the biggest welfare recipient
states are in the south. It is pretty amusing to hear people from the
south complain about socialism, when much of the south is dependent on
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https://wallethub.com/edu/states-mos...vernment/2700/
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Lets see I'm a liberal, support Bernie
and I have faith. Bernie and I value family. Bernie in fact seems to
have a nice family with a wife, children, grandchildren. All whom he
values dearly. And I don't personally know him, but he seems to be a
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Also, Bernie is not an atheist. He believes in God and speaks like
a man that believes so I can conclude that he has faith as well. I
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I don't personally know Bernie, either,
Sy, but I do know when asked what he considered his greatest accomplish,
he said it was his marriage and children. To me, that sounds like a man
who values his family very much.
He also said, and I'm sure you recall, that being Jewish was very
important to him, a part of his identity. To me, that sounds like he
values his faith.
Like you, I find Bernie Sanders to be a very responsible and honest
person, who really seems to care about the US and the people who live
here.
If all that's socialism, I'll take some more. The US needs it.
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Yes Bernie is very compassionate with other peoples money and toward those lucky enough to escape the womb
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Thank you for this. I honestly thought
"southern values" was more along the lines of slavery is just fine and
it's ok to be prejudiced. Probably depends on who is evoking southern
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This is a shockingly prejudicial thing to think or say. Stunningly
so. Perhaps you should actually interact with people from the South
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He doesn't break out defense spending from his calculations. All
those military bases here in Florida are going to skew the numbers
wildly. Many military members set up residency in Florida to escape
state income taxes.
I'd be curious to see the numbers when adjusted for things such as that.
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Southern values are faith, family, and responsibility. Socialism goes against all three.
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That's really not unique to the south
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LOL There are a lot of Southern states in the top 12 or so. Much more so than the northern states.
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We should really kick those bums out.
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LOL There are a lot of Southern states in the top 12 or so. Much more so than the northern states.
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Traces of the Atlantic slave trade, civil war, and Jim Crow laws.
However, the past is the past and it isn't the south that is currently
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Southern values are faith, family, and responsibility. Socialism goes against all three.
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Guess what. Northern values are faith, family, and responsibility.
So are Western values. So are Eastern values. So are MidWest, So are --
well, you get the idea.
When you say something like that, many might infer that you are
suggesting those who are not from the South or live elsewhere don't have
those selfsame values.
I certainly hope that is an incorrect inference.
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We should really kick those bums out.
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LOL There are a lot of Southern states in the top 12 or so. Much more so than the northern states.
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The South receives more "govt" money because of the number of
Military bases there and the large number of retirees that live there.
Ever wonder why people dont retire to NY?
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The South receives more "govt" money
because of the number of Military bases there and the large number of
retirees that live there. Ever wonder why people dont retire to NY?
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Social Security and Medicare redistribute income from those who
work to those who won't work, so it is hard to argue that they are not
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Social Security and Medicare redistribute
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So you are acknowledging that people in the South should know what
they are talking about, when they discuss the harmful effects of a
welfare state and how it can create welfare class, addicted to Gub $$
like an addict to crack?
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So you are acknowledging that people in
the South should know what they are talking about, when they discuss the
harmful effects of a welfare state and how it can create welfare class,
addicted to Gub $$ like an addict to crack?
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When I see the welfare recipients volunteering to give up their
benefits, then they will have credibility. My point however, is that
"southern values" whatever that means is not unequivocally good if it
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It is private information, I have no
information on how much any one individual gives. But I can make
inferences from our totals to get an average level of giving and I know
the average level of income.
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I do not think it's fair for you to pass your "inferences" on to
others in a judgemental way. I also put money in the "special"
collections that are not on the record!. Basically it isn't anyone's
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I don't personally know Bernie, either,
Sy, but I do know when asked what he considered his greatest accomplish,
he said it was his marriage and children. To me, that sounds like a man
who values his family very much.
He also said, and I'm sure you recall, that being Jewish was very
important to him, a part of his identity. To me, that sounds like he
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Like you, I find Bernie Sanders to be a very responsible and honest
person, who really seems to care about the US and the people who live
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If all that's socialism, I'll take some more. The US needs it.
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And I never did understand the concept that a President determines
whether I value faith. I don't know about you but I've prayed during
both Republican and Democratic administrations just the same. During the
last 7 yrs just as I did the previous 8. The President could be Jewish
like Bernie or Muslim like Congressman Keith Ellison from Minnesota who
supports Bernie, and it wouldn't affect my faith. But I never did grasp
the concept I guess. 
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Also, Bernie is not an atheist. He
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The South receives more "govt" money
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The weather. Of course as it gets too hot with climate change where they retire could change.
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The weather. Of course as it gets too hot with climate change where they retire could change.
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And all the fresh water being in the north too.
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Guess what. Northern values are faith,
family, and responsibility. So are Western values. So are Eastern
values. So are MidWest, So are -- well, you get the idea.
When you say something like that, many might infer that you are
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 As a son of the north and midwest, I didn't need to move south for values.
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I'e been in three tornadoes; one I SLEPT through in Venezuela! That's
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And all the fresh water being in the north too.
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Obviously, you have never been to the Ozarks, the Ouachitas or
(for all I know) the Smokies. Best and most abundant water in the
nation.  Drill anywhere and you'll get good, clean, cold limestone water.
I remember seeing that long ago the then Frisco Railroad had a special
train called the "TExas Special" that brought people straight through
from torrid South Texas to the Ozarks in the hottest part of the summer
so they could enjoy the pleasantly cool night temperatures and bathe in
the cold water of the creeks and springs. It had a branch line into
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Also, Bernie is not an atheist. He
believes in God and speaks like a man that believes so I can conclude
that he has faith as well. I guess Bernie is all in as far as Southern
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Mr. Sanders has stated that he believes in God; however, Mr.
Sanders does not belong to a synagogue in either Burlington, VT or
Washington, D.C. and has stated that he is “not active in any organized
religion”:
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Published: February 5th, 2016
A week earlier, Sanders told The Washington Post that despite the fact
that he is “not active in any organized religion” he believes in God. It
made him an instant hero with the atheist crowd, who reveled at the
idea of an American president who does not profess his faith or wears it
on his sleeve . . .
The 73-year-old democratic socialist Senator from Vermont is Jewish and
secular, doesn’t belong to a synagogue either in Burlington or in
Washington, D.C. He is, however, a strong supporter of Israel, refused
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The bulk of his supporters don't care about facts. If Bernie tells
them the eeeeeeeevil corporations are trying to kill them, they'll
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What a complete joke Sanders is, but it's no longer a laughing matter.
He's not qualified to be dogcatcher, but in our new Idiocracy, he's got a
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The bulk of his supporters don't care
about facts. If Bernie tells them the eeeeeeeevil corporations are
trying to kill them, they'll believe it.
What a complete joke Sanders is, but it's no longer a laughing matter.
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Has Verizon paid taxes in every year in the last ten years? If not
then it is not clear that Sanders is lying. He may be exaggerating and
pandering to his base, but that is nothing new. In the last election,
Mitt Romney claimed that Obama was going to cut medicare and that was a
blatant falsehood. So dishonesty is not something that is unique to
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If Bernie Sanders wins the election, I will write a letter to Russian
President Vladimir Putin letting him know how much better Russia is than
America. Russia rejected socialism. America would be embracing it. Our
Lady of Fatima indicated that something like this would happen. It is up
to Russia to stop its error of socialism now.
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If Bernie Sanders wins the election, I
will write a letter to Russian President Vladimir Putin letting him know
how much better Russia is than America. Russia rejected socialism.
America would be embracing it. Our Lady of Fatima indicated that
something like this would happen. It is up to Russia to stop its error
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Er, Russia does not have a socialist govt. and also Our Lady of
Fatima has little if any meaning to the vast majority of Russians. I
fail to see how an ideology which did not emerge in Russia is 'Russia's
error', socialism is an ideology that existed long before the CCCP ever
came in to being. Most Russians have never heard of Fatima.
What would be the point in writing such a letter to Putin in any case?
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Er, Russia does not have a socialist
govt. and also Our Lady of Fatima has little if any meaning to the vast
majority of Russians. I fail to see how an ideology which did not emerge
in Russia is 'Russia's error', socialism is an ideology that existed
long before the CCCP ever came in to being. Most Russians have never
heard of Fatima.
What would be the point in writing such a letter to Putin in any case?
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I did not say that Russia currently has a socialist government.
They currently have a conservative government. They did have a socialist
government from 1917-1991 though. Our Lady of Fatima said that Russia
would spread her error of socialism throughout the world. Putin and
Yeltsin are the saviors of Russia. I would write to Putin to tell him
that I do not like the American government and that I prefer Russia's
government. I would hope that he would give me some advice or
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I did not say that Russia currently has a
socialist government. They currently have a conservative government.
They did have a socialist government from 1917-1991 though. Our Lady of
Fatima said that Russia would spread her error of socialism throughout
the world. Putin and Yeltsin are the saviors of Russia. I would write to
Putin to tell him that I do not like the American government and that I
prefer Russia's government. I would hope that he would give me some
advice or encouragement on how to deal with America's socialist
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Or you could just move there if you think it is better.
You are aware that abortion was the main form of birth control until
very rencently, with some women having more than 25, yes twenty five
abortions. Even as they consider changing the law, it is not necessarily
because of sanctity of life but because of a concern over birth rates
and declining population. Do a Google search on abortion in Russia
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If Bernie Sanders wins the election, I
will write a letter to Russian President Vladimir Putin letting him know
how much better Russia is than America. Russia rejected socialism.
America would be embracing it. Our Lady of Fatima indicated that
something like this would happen. It is up to Russia to stop its error
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The reactions are funny (humourous).
Verizon
Corporate Tax Dodger
http://www.americansfortaxfairness.o...heet-Final.pdf
Verizon is the nation’s largest cellular phone operator, with 115
million customers. Verizon paid less in federal income taxes in recent
years than many of its customers.
- Verizon made $19.3 billion in U.S. pretax profits from 2008 to 2012,
yet didn’t pay any federal income taxes during the period. Instead, it
got $535 million in tax rebates.
- Verizon’s effective federal income tax rate was negative 2.8% from
2008 to 2012. The official corporate tax rate is 35%. This difference
allowed Verizon to avoid $7.3 billion in taxes.
- Verizon had $1.9 billion in accumulated offshore profits in 2012, on which it did not pay U.S. taxes.
- While dodging federal taxes, Verizon pocketed $956 million in federal
contracts in 2011 and landed a 9-year contract worth $5 billion.
- Verizon shows that cutting taxes doesn’t create jobs. It pays nothing
in taxes, but that hasn’t stopped it from slashing 28,500 jobs over the
last four years.
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Do any of you people know of any current military personnel for Bernie Sanders?
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Do any of you people know of any current military personnel for Bernie Sanders?
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The most notable one I can think of is Congresswoman Tulsi
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That seemed pretty clear to me when Bernie himself said he "hoped" he could at least meet the pope.
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Has Verizon paid taxes in every year in
the last ten years? If not then it is not clear that Sanders is lying.
He may be exaggerating and pandering to his base, but that is nothing
new. In the last election, Mitt Romney claimed that Obama was going to
cut medicare and that was a blatant falsehood. So dishonesty is not
something that is unique to democrats.
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Verizon responded to his claim calling it a baseless lie, and
provided specific numbers for taxes paid. It is incumbent upon Sanders
and his supporters to support their claim.
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Verizon responded to his claim calling it
a baseless lie, and provided specific numbers for taxes paid. It is
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You are claiming that they paid corporate income tax in each year for the past ten years?
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The reactions are funny (humourous).
Verizon
Corporate Tax Dodger
http://www.americansfortaxfairness.o...heet-Final.pdf
Verizon is the nation’s largest cellular phone operator, with 115
million customers. Verizon paid less in federal income taxes in recent
years than many of its customers.
- Verizon made $19.3 billion in U.S. pretax profits from 2008 to 2012, yet didn’t pay any federal income taxes during the period. Instead, it got $535 million in tax rebates.
- Verizon’s effective federal income tax rate was negative 2.8% from
2008 to 2012. The official corporate tax rate is 35%. This difference
allowed Verizon to avoid $7.3 billion in taxes.
- Verizon had $1.9 billion in accumulated offshore profits in 2012, on which it did not pay U.S. taxes.
- While dodging federal taxes, Verizon pocketed $956 million in federal
contracts in 2011 and landed a 9-year contract worth $5 billion.
- Verizon shows that cutting taxes doesn’t create jobs. It pays nothing
in taxes, but that hasn’t stopped it from slashing 28,500 jobs over the
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If Verizon paid no income taxes in those years, why are they
quoting pre-tax income? What was their after-tax income so we can
compare? My doubts are raised at the info coming from such a biased
source.
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You are claiming that they paid corporate income tax in each year for the past ten years?
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I've made no claim. Bernie made a claim. Please keep up.
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That seemed pretty clear to me when Bernie himself said he "hoped" he could at least meet the pope.
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If Verizon paid no income taxes in those
years, why are they quoting pre-tax income? What was their after-tax
income so we can compare? My doubts are raised at the info coming from
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I checked Bernie's figures with one of the online financial databases at
my school, they report the following federal income tax payments over
this period. So Bernie is not lying, the figures add up to what he
claims.
Year Fed Income tax (millions)
2012 223,000
2011 193,000
2010 (705,000)
2009 (611,000)
2008 365,000
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I checked Bernie's figures with one of
the online financial databases at my school, they report the following
federal income tax payments over this period. So Bernie is not lying,
the figures add up to what he claims.
Year Fed Income tax (millions)
2012 223,000
2011 193,000
2010 (705,000)
2009 (611,000)
2008 365,000
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What were their profits for each year?
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Originally Posted by stinkcat_14
I checked Bernie's figures with one of
the online financial databases at my school, they report the following
federal income tax payments over this period. So Bernie is not lying,
the figures add up to what he claims.
Year Fed Income tax (millions)
2012 223,000
2011 193,000
2010 (705,000)
2009 (611,000)
2008 365,000
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Bernie doesn't lie.
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What were their profits for each year?
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The tax I reported earlier was in thousands as well, not millions.
Year Income (thousands)
2012 9,897,000
2011 10,483,000
2010 12,684,000
2009 11,568,000
2008 9,759,000
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Bernie doesn't lie.
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He is the one honest candidate in the democrat primary.
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He is the one honest candidate in the democrat primary.
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But he is not color coordinated and his wife is not helping him in that area. Therefore, he is unelectable.
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Bernie doesn't lie.
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So there aren't any poor white people who know what it's like to live in a ghettos?
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Originally Posted by stinkcat_14
I checked Bernie's figures with one of
the online financial databases at my school, they report the following
federal income tax payments over this period. So Bernie is not lying,
the figures add up to what he claims.
Year Fed Income tax (millions)
2012 223,000
2011 193,000
2010 (705,000)
2009 (611,000)
2008 365,000
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In the 10-K filings for Verizon, they had income of (millions):
2008 - $9,759
2009 - $13,520
2010 - $12,684
2011 - $10,483
2012 - $9,897
2013 - $29,277
And income tax of (millions):
2008 - $3,331
2009 - $1,919
2010 - $2,467
2011 - $285
2012 - $-660
2013 - $5,730
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In the 10-K filings for Verizon, they had income of (millions):
2008 - $9,759
2009 - $13,520
2010 - $12,684
2011 - $10,483
2012 - $9,897
2013 - $29,277
And income tax of (millions):
2008 - $3,331
2009 - $1,919
2010 - $2,467
2011 - $285
2012 - $-660
2013 - $5,730
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So there aren't any poor white people who know what it's like to live in a ghettos?
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What's that got to do with anything? No one suggested that.
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The most notable one I can think of is
Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard. She served in Iraq. She was also a leader
in the Democratic National Committee until she resigned because party
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Would she do a good job of getting current military personnel to support Sanders?
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I did not say that Russia currently has a
socialist government. They currently have a conservative government.
They did have a socialist government from 1917-1991 though. Our Lady of
Fatima said that Russia would spread her error of socialism throughout
the world. Putin and Yeltsin are the saviors of Russia. I would write to
Putin to tell him that I do not like the American government and that I
prefer Russia's government. I would hope that he would give me some
advice or encouragement on how to deal with America's socialist
government.
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Socialism is an idea that was imported into Russia. Yeltsin is considered a bit of a corrupt fool by many Russians.
America does not have a socialist govt and even if it did that is your
job as Americans to choose which form of governance you like.
Are you going to write this proposed letter in Latin or Cyrillic script?
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So there aren't any poor white people who know what it's like to live in a ghettos?
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There sure are.
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Socialism is an idea that was imported into Russia. Yeltsin is considered a bit of a corrupt fool by many Russians.
America does not have a socialist govt and even if it did that is your
job as Americans to choose which form of governance you like.
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I would write it in Latin script. That is all I know how to do.
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I don't think Putin reads that.
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Would she do a good job of getting current military personnel to support Sanders?
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Well, she is an Iraq war vet. I cannot predict the future,
however. I believe that the military will respect whoever the people
decide to put into office. I don't predict some sort of coup, if that is
what you are asking.
The only candidate that the military does have concerns about is Donald
Trump, with some in the leadership worrying that he would order them to
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Well, she is an Iraq war vet. I cannot
predict the future, however. I believe that the military will respect
whoever the people decide to put into office. I don't predict some sort
of coup, if that is what you are asking.
The only candidate that the military does have concerns about is Donald
Trump, with some in the leadership worrying that he would order them to
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That's just hyperbole, you can always find someone to support your anxiety.
It was the CIA that did the water boarding before and as with Bush, any
future operatives would cover their hinney and get it legally documented
that whatever they were doing was within the rule of law.
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Bernie doesn't lie.
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He's said things that aren't true, like some of the posters on this board:
1. "Let's talk about climate change," he said. "Do you think there's a
reason why not one Republican has the guts to recognize that climate
change is real, and that we need to transform our energy system?
This is not true since both Kasich and Christie have said that climate change is real.
2. "We spend twice as much per capita on health care as any other nation on Earth."
Not true since in 2013 US health care spending was $8,713 per capita in 2013. Switzerland was at $6,325.
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He's said things that aren't true, like some of the posters on this board:
1. "Let's talk about climate change," he said. "Do you think there's a
reason why not one Republican has the guts to recognize that climate
change is real, and that we need to transform our energy system?
This is not true since both Kasich and Christie have said that climate change is real.
2. "We spend twice as much per capita on health care as any other nation on Earth."
Not true since in 2013 US health care spending was $8,713 per capita in 2013. Switzerland was at $6,325.
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Okay, point taken. You are right. I don't think he outright lies,
but I give you he's made some factual mistakes. I should have known
that; I lived in Switzerland for 10 years, and I had the best health
care there, better even than France to me, and the WHO ranks France
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That's just hyperbole, you can always find someone to support your anxiety.
It was the CIA that did the water boarding before and as with Bush, any
future operatives would cover their hinney and get it legally documented
that whatever they were doing was within the rule of law.
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Trump himself said that he would do even worse than waterboarding,
including killing off the families of terrorists. He said that the
military wouldn't dare refuse his order.
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This ploy has very much backfired on Senator Sanders First his
campaign breathlessy announced he was invited to the Vatican by the Pope
himself and was going to speak with the Pope about issues they are both
concerned about . We even saw claims the Pope called Sanders a great
world leader . Then the truth came out. Much evidence that Sanders
invited himself , he's not going to meet the Pope, and in reality is
gonna give a 10 minute speech to a large group of other people who are
likewise attending a mundane Vatican conference
So why would a man who appears to have no faith himself want to align
himself with the leader of a Church that categorically rejects his
stance on core moral issues ? I guess it's because he thinks some
Catholics are gullible enough to believe cozying up with the Pope
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I saw some highlights from the debate. When the question was brought up
by sanders to Clinton about the transcripts, the crowd cheered sanders
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Much evidence that Sanders invited himself
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From the article you posted:
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academy. Its president, Margaret Archer, accused Sanders of possibly
using the event to court Catholic voters and that he had decided to
attend without properly informing her office. But Bishop Sanchez, who is
senior to Archer, denied her version of events, telling Reuters that he
had issued the invitation, and that the senator had not invited
himself. "This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her
consensus," Bishop Sanchez said. Both Archer and Bishop Sanchez declined
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This ploy has very much backfired on
Senator Sanders First his campaign breathlessy announced he was invited
to the Vatican by the Pope himself and was going to speak with the Pope
about issues they are both concerned about . We even saw claims the Pope
called Sanders a great world leader . Then the truth came out. Much
evidence that Sanders invited himself , he's not going to meet the Pope,
and in reality is gonna give a 10 minute speech to a large group of
other people who are likewise attending a mundane Vatican conference
So why would a man who appears to have no faith himself want to align
himself with the leader of a Church that categorically rejects his
stance on core moral issues ? I guess it's because he thinks some
Catholics are gullible enough to believe cozying up with the Pope
mitigates his support for abortion and homosexual marriage to the extent
that a Catholic could ilcitly vote for him
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But Sanders never said himself that "the pope" invited him. He
said "the Vatican" invited him, and that "he hoped to meet the pope."
This is the news media spinning things again, not Sanders.
It might be unwise of Sanders to go to Vatican City with the New York
primaries coming up on Tuesday, but he didn't invite himself; he didn't
lie. The media put a spin on it that wasn't there.
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Thank you. I will take Bishop Sanchez's word that he invited Senator Sanders.
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Trump himself said that he would do even
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Well, we all have our disappointments. I'd be disappointed, too,
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But Sanders never said himself that "the
pope" invited him. He said "the Vatican" invited him, and that "he hoped
to meet the pope."
This is the news media spinning things again, not Sanders.
It might be unwise of Sanders to go to Vatican City with the New York
primaries coming up on Tuesday, but he didn't invite himself; he didn't
lie. The media put a spin on it that wasn't there.
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Its not the meida that said this:
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Well, everyone will just have to wait till April 15th to see. Maybe
they won't meet, maybe they will. We just don't know. Still, I'm happy
Bernie was invited by Vatican officials and that the pope did call
Bernie a "great world leader." That much has been confirmed.
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I see no conflict there. He was invited by Bishop Sanchez, a Vatican official.
I saw several online news headlines that said he was "invited by the pope." Bernie, himself, never said that. I didn't say that.
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Bernie Sanders didn't meet Pope Francis. But he had high praise for Catholic social teaching. [CNA]
 Vatican City, Apr 15, 2016 / 01:51 pm ( CNA).-
- Pope Francis didn’t attend U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders’ (D-Vt.) speech at
the Vatican, but the presidential candidate provided a long reflection
on Catholic social teaching, as he saw it.
Sanders spoke Friday at a conference celebrating the 25th anniversary of
Pope John Paul II’s “Centesimus Annus.” The senator commented:
“With the fall of Communism, Pope John Paul II gave a clarion call for
human freedom in its truest sense: freedom that defends the dignity of
every person and that is always oriented towards the common good.”
The April 15-16 conference was sponsored by the Pontifical Academy of
Social Sciences, which fosters dialogue between scientists, politicians
and various experts.
At the start of the gathering, Archbishop Sanchez Sorondo, the academy’s
chancellor, read a letter from the Pope. The letter said he could not
make the event. Pope Francis said that his agenda was “quite
complicated” because of his Saturday trip to visit migrants and refugees
on the Greek island of Lesbos.
Pope Francis’ letter to the gathering did not mention Sen. Sanders or any of the other participants.
John Paul II’s 1991 encyclical marked the anniversary of Pope Leo XIII’s
“Rerum Novarum,” a major landmark in Catholic social teaching.
“There are few places in modern thought that rival the depth and insight
of the Church’s moral teachings on the market economy,” Sanders said in
remarks to the conference. He cited Leo XIII’s encyclical that
described the challenges of “the enormous wealth of a few opposed to the
poverty of the many.”
“At a time when so few have so much, and so many have so little, we must
reject the foundations of this contemporary economy as immoral and
unsustainable,” Sanders commented.
“We are now twenty-five years after the fall of Communist rule in
Eastern Europe. Yet we have to acknowledge that Pope John Paul’s
warnings about the excesses of untrammeled finance were deeply
prescient.”
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Re: Bernie Sanders didn't meet Pope Francis. But he had high praise for Catholic social teaching. [CNA]
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Vatican City, Apr 15, 2016 / 01:51 pm ( CNA).-
- Pope Francis didn’t attend U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders’ (D-Vt.) speech at
the Vatican, but the presidential candidate provided a long reflection
on Catholic social teaching, as he saw it.
Sanders spoke Friday at a conference celebrating the 25th anniversary of
Pope John Paul II’s “Centesimus Annus.” The senator commented:
“With the fall of Communism, Pope John Paul II gave a clarion call for
human freedom in its truest sense: freedom that defends the dignity of
every person and that is always oriented towards the common good.”
The April 15-16 conference was sponsored by the Pontifical Academy of
Social Sciences, which fosters dialogue between scientists, politicians
and various experts.
At the start of the gathering, Archbishop Sanchez Sorondo, the academy’s
chancellor, read a letter from the Pope. The letter said he could not
make the event. Pope Francis said that his agenda was “quite
complicated” because of his Saturday trip to visit migrants and refugees
on the Greek island of Lesbos.
Pope Francis’ letter to the gathering did not mention Sen. Sanders or any of the other participants.
John Paul II’s 1991 encyclical marked the anniversary of Pope Leo XIII’s
“Rerum Novarum,” a major landmark in Catholic social teaching.
“There are few places in modern thought that rival the depth and insight
of the Church’s moral teachings on the market economy,” Sanders said in
remarks to the conference. He cited Leo XIII’s encyclical that
described the challenges of “the enormous wealth of a few opposed to the
poverty of the many.”
“At a time when so few have so much, and so many have so little, we must
reject the foundations of this contemporary economy as immoral and
unsustainable,” Sanders commented.
“We are now twenty-five years after the fall of Communist rule in
Eastern Europe. Yet we have to acknowledge that Pope John Paul’s
warnings about the excesses of untrammeled finance were deeply
prescient.”
Full article...
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Let's pray some of the Catholic Social teaching rubs off on him. God Bless, Memaw
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It's good he is praising Catholic social teaching but isn't he really praising certain parts. There are parts of Catholic social teaching he wouldn't agree with...
I saw a clip on Twitter of him on MSNBC where he praised the Pope but he pointed out the issues he disagreed with the Pope on.
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Vatican City, Apr 15, 2016 / 01:51 pm ( CNA).-
- Pope Francis didn’t attend U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders’ (D-Vt.) speech at
the Vatican, but the presidential candidate provided a long reflection
on Catholic social teaching, as he saw it.
Sanders spoke Friday at a conference celebrating the 25th anniversary of
Pope John Paul II’s “Centesimus Annus.” The senator commented:
“With the fall of Communism, Pope John Paul II gave a clarion call for
human freedom in its truest sense: freedom that defends the dignity of
every person and that is always oriented towards the common good.”
The April 15-16 conference was sponsored by the Pontifical Academy of
Social Sciences, which fosters dialogue between scientists, politicians
and various experts.
At the start of the gathering, Archbishop Sanchez Sorondo, the academy’s
chancellor, read a letter from the Pope. The letter said he could not
make the event. Pope Francis said that his agenda was “quite
complicated” because of his Saturday trip to visit migrants and refugees
on the Greek island of Lesbos.
Pope Francis’ letter to the gathering did not mention Sen. Sanders or any of the other participants.
John Paul II’s 1991 encyclical marked the anniversary of Pope Leo XIII’s
“Rerum Novarum,” a major landmark in Catholic social teaching.
“There are few places in modern thought that rival the depth and insight
of the Church’s moral teachings on the market economy,” Sanders said in
remarks to the conference. He cited Leo XIII’s encyclical that
described the challenges of “the enormous wealth of a few opposed to the
poverty of the many.”
“At a time when so few have so much, and so many have so little, we must
reject the foundations of this contemporary economy as immoral and
unsustainable,” Sanders commented.
“We are now twenty-five years after the fall of Communist rule in
Eastern Europe. Yet we have to acknowledge that Pope John Paul’s
warnings about the excesses of untrammeled finance were deeply
prescient.”
Full article...
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Does anyone think this might be ever so slightly a political move
on the part of Bernie Sanders? I support Sanders, but the thought
occurred to me that he may want more of the Catholic vote right before
the New York primary. He is hardly getting the Jewish vote compared to
Hillary Clinton.
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Does anyone think this might be ever so slightly a political move on the part of Bernie Sanders?
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I think that's a fair assessment, as is the notion that he's being rather sincere.
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He supports abortion and gay marriage. Not getting my vote.
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Yeah, there he is right next to Eva Morales, the 100% committed communist.
This is a nightmare of unreal proportions. Speaking about the myth
called "climate change" (which is a term that has been changed from
global warming) which is a world wide socialist movement.
Want me to list ALL of the predictions the global warmists have gotten wrong over the last 10 years? The list is very long.
Two years ago Florida was suppose to be gone. GONE! It is right there still.
Oh, they have gotten away from the prediction game and THEY have made a
concerted effort say "climate change." Something more ambiguous and
inclusive in order include ALL weather incidents.
We see more efforts from the world leaders to focus on this mythical
socialist scam than the true threat and that is the deliberate invasion
of Europe on behalf of Syrian refugees. Systematic rapes and slaughter
of Christians around the world.
Did they even discuss the rape and murder of the nuns and Priest a
couple weeks ago? Did anyone discuss the full commitment to abortion of
Bernie Sanders?
We will just dismiss ALL of the work done by Pope John Paul II in his commitment against communism?
I cannot believe what I am living through. I really cannot believe it.
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Yeah, there he is right next to Eva Morales, the 100% committed communist.
This is a nightmare of unreal proportions. Speaking about the myth
called "climate change" (which is a term that has been changed from
global warming) which is a world wide socialist movement.
Want me to list ALL of the predictions the global warmists have gotten wrong over the last 10 years? The list is very long.
Two years ago Florida was suppose to be gone. GONE! It is right there still.
Oh, they have gotten away from the prediction game and THEY have made a
concerted effort say "climate change." Something more ambiguous and
inclusive in order include ALL weather incidents.
We see more efforts from the world leaders to focus on this mythical
socialist scam than the true threat and that is the deliberate invasion
of Europe on behalf of Syrian refugees. Systematic rapes and slaughter
of Christians around the world.
Did they even discuss the rape and murder of the nuns and Priest a
couple weeks ago? Did anyone discuss the full commitment to abortion of
Bernie Sanders?
We will just dismiss ALL of the work done by Pope John Paul II in his commitment against communism?
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I thought Laudato Si affirmed climate change. Doesn't this mean that Catholics are supposed to work to help end it?
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I thought Laudato Si affirmed climate change. Doesn't this mean that Catholics are supposed to work to help end it?
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What confirmed it? It is a scam and it is beyond obvious what it
is all about. Explain why they changed the term from global warming to
climate change?
“Beginning in a decade or two [i.e. by 2005], scientists expect the warming of the atmosphere to melt the polar icecaps…”
http://www.nytimes.com/1985/05/12/we...-forecast.html
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2007: U.N. Scientists say only eight years left to avoid worst effects
http://www.theguardian.com/environme...ngeenvironment
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2009: ABC News Envisioned Apocalyptic 2015 Triggered By Climate Change
http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/29/fl...#ixzz3kGG02y3L
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In August 2009, then Senator John Kerry said the Arctic would be ice-free by the summer of 2013
In August 2009, then Senator John Kerry... - Senator Ted Cruz | Facebook
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“‘Excessively high temperatures’ are ‘already’ harming public health nationwide…”
— Barack Obama, Nov. 1, 2013
http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/craig-...harming-public
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Inconvenient Truths: 2014 Atmospheric Natural Disasters Way Down …No Trend In Tornado/Cyclones Since 1950!
Ihttp://notrickszone.com/2015/10/10/inconvenient-truths-2014-global-natural-disasters-down-massively-no-trend-in-tornadocyclones-since-1950/
Those are just a few predictions that have turned out to be totally
wrong. It is a scam and over 30,000 scientists have signed a petition to
this fact.
The fact that Leonardo DiCaprio makes a speech to the UN is further
proof. Pure seduction of the masses and nothing more than a global
redistribution scam. A world socialist movement.
If you want me to list ALL of the other predictions that turned out to be totally false, I will. I have literally a lot more.
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What confirmed it? It is a scam and it is
beyond obvious what it is all about. Explain why they changed the term
from global warming to climate change?
“Beginning in a decade or two [i.e. by 2005], scientists expect the warming of the atmosphere to melt the polar icecaps…”
IDEAS & TRENDS (CONTINUED); A DIRE LONG-RANGE FORECAST
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2007: U.N. Scientists say only eight years left to avoid worst effects
UN scientists warn time is running out to tackle global warming
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2009: ABC News Envisioned Apocalyptic 2015 Triggered By Climate Change
Flashback: ABC News Envisioned Apocalyptic 2015 Triggered By Climate Change [VIDEO]
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In August 2009, then Senator John Kerry said the Arctic would be ice-free by the summer of 2013
In August 2009, then Senator John Kerry... - Senator Ted Cruz | Facebook
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“‘Excessively high temperatures’ are ‘already’ harming public health nationwide…”
— Barack Obama, Nov. 1, 2013
Executive Order: 'Excessively High Temperatures' 'Already' Harming Public Health
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Inconvenient Truths: 2014 Atmospheric Natural Disasters Way Down …No Trend In Tornado/Cyclones Since 1950!
Inconvenient Truths: 2014 Global Natural Disasters Down Massively! …No Trend In Tornado/Cyclones Since 1950!
Those are just a few predictions that have turned out to be totally
wrong. It is a scam and over 30,000 scientists have signed a petition to
this fact.
The fact that Leonardo DiCaprio makes a speech to the UN is further
proof. Pure seduction of the masses and nothing more than a global
redistribution scam. A world socialist movement.
If you want me to list ALL of the other predictions that turned out to be totally false, I will. I have literally a lot more.
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You can list all the ones you want, it still means that you are at odds with official church teaching on the subject.
I may be wrong but aren't papal encyclicals considered, ex cathedra?
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"The short answer is no. Vatican I’s decree “Eternal Pastor” taught:
“The Roman Pontiff, when he speaks ex cathedra, that is, when
discharging the office of pastor and teacher of all Christians, and
defines with his supreme apostolic authority a doctrine concerning faith
or morals that is to be held by the universal Church, through the
divine assistance promised him in St. Peter, exercises that
infallibility which the divine Redeemer wishes to endow his Church for
defining doctrine concerning faith or morals.”
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Does anyone think this might be ever so
slightly a political move on the part of Bernie Sanders? I support
Sanders, but the thought occurred to me that he may want more of the
Catholic vote right before the New York primary. He is hardly getting
the Jewish vote compared to Hillary Clinton.
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The thought has occurred to me as well. At the same time I believe
Bernie takes economic morality very seriously and he has long before
the NY primary admired the Pope.
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You can list all the ones you want, it still means that you are at odds with official church teaching on the subject.
I may be wrong but aren't papal encyclicals considered, ex cathedra?
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Not at all.
It is the opinion of one man, nothing more. Manmade Global Warming is in no way binding on conscience for Catholics.
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Not at all.
It is the opinion of one man, nothing more. Manmade Global Warming is in no way binding on conscience for Catholics.
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You can list all the ones you want, it still means that you are at odds with official church teaching on the subject.
I may be wrong but aren't papal encyclicals considered, ex cathedra?
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Here we go. When all else fails threaten me with the old, if you disagree with the pope then you are going to hell.
I can turn that around on you. Now, it looks like you may be falsely teaching.
Pointing out the faults or the sins of the Church leaders is our duty.
That is right. I am not suppose to just agree when I see blatant lies
going on.
Typical really. It is unreal how people use the old "You better or else you are going to eternal hell..."
It is no wonder why so many people do not want to have anything to do
with the Church or God. That is all hypocrites do. Point the finger and
threaten with hell fire. Eternal hell fire.
Here is question. Are we suppose to remain silent if we see false teachings?
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