Re: Corporations spent more lobbying than paying taxes
[ New ]12-14-2011 05:08 PM
Re: Corporations spent more lobbying than paying taxes
[ New ]12-14-2011 07:50 PM
But... this can't be true. Obama drained the swamp. He has a phobia against loddyists. He said so. 'No lobbyists in my White House'. Didn't he say so? Well, he said it ... till he stopped saying it, anyway.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/obama-makes-mockery-his-own-lobbyist-ban
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/28/us/politics/obama-bundlers-have-ties-to-lobbying.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/obama-makes-mockery-his-own-lobbyist-ban
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/28/us/politics/obama-bundlers-have-ties-to-lobbying.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
“I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.” Thomas Jefferson
Re: Corporations spent more lobbying than paying taxes
[ New ]12-14-2011 09:14 PM
I wonder why there isn't the same faux outrage about lobbying by unions?
For the same years, 2008-2010, here is a list of unions and the money they spent on lobbying.
AFSCME $7.4 M
SEIU $7.4 M
NEA $7.6 M
IBEW $2.3 M
Laborer's Union $2.7 M
AFT $3.1M
Teamsters $4.3 M
Carpenters and Joiners Union $.7 M
CWA $2.2 M
UFCWU $1.6M
UAW $4.8 M
Machinists and Aerospace Workers Union $5.1 M
AFL-CIO $11.5 M
Plumbers and Pipefitters Union $2.1 M
United Transportation Union $4.1 M
United Steelworkers $1.6 M
Ironworkers Union $.45 M
American Postal Workers $2.6M
Air Traffic Controllers $2.7 M
Transport Workers Union $2.4 M
Seafairers Intl Union $.6 M
Source is the Heavy Hitters list on Open Secrets.
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php
For the same years, 2008-2010, here is a list of unions and the money they spent on lobbying.
AFSCME $7.4 M
SEIU $7.4 M
NEA $7.6 M
IBEW $2.3 M
Laborer's Union $2.7 M
AFT $3.1M
Teamsters $4.3 M
Carpenters and Joiners Union $.7 M
CWA $2.2 M
UFCWU $1.6M
UAW $4.8 M
Machinists and Aerospace Workers Union $5.1 M
AFL-CIO $11.5 M
Plumbers and Pipefitters Union $2.1 M
United Transportation Union $4.1 M
United Steelworkers $1.6 M
Ironworkers Union $.45 M
American Postal Workers $2.6M
Air Traffic Controllers $2.7 M
Transport Workers Union $2.4 M
Seafairers Intl Union $.6 M
Source is the Heavy Hitters list on Open Secrets.
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php
"The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it." - H.L. Mencken
Re: Corporations spent more lobbying than paying taxes
[ New ]12-14-2011 09:29 PM
Politicians and lobbyists are the real villians. The politicians
are selling our country, not theirs to sell, to anyone the lobbyists,
middle men, bring that have the biggest buck. The money comes
as political donations that will be repaid to the buyers through
things like the stimulus and legislation.
As an example take Sen D. Durbin of Illinois. His extended
family is infested with lobbyists. Ever guess why he spends
so much time trying to give this country away to illegal aliens,
(invaders)? You got it. They represent LaRazza, the Mexican govt.
etc.
are selling our country, not theirs to sell, to anyone the lobbyists,
middle men, bring that have the biggest buck. The money comes
as political donations that will be repaid to the buyers through
things like the stimulus and legislation.
As an example take Sen D. Durbin of Illinois. His extended
family is infested with lobbyists. Ever guess why he spends
so much time trying to give this country away to illegal aliens,
(invaders)? You got it. They represent LaRazza, the Mexican govt.
etc.
Re: Corporations spent more lobbying than paying taxes
[ New ]12-15-2011 04:15 AM
You’re incorrigible. You just made my point with your horse poop. You said “We the people” are supposed to run this country, not corporations. I guess you don’t know what a corporation is. In a general sense, a corporation is a business entity that is given many of the same legal rights as an actual person. Corporations may be made up of a single person or a group of people, known as sole corporations or aggregate corporations, respectively.
Corporations exist as virtual or fictitious persons, granting a limited protection to the actual people involved in the business of the corporation. This limitation of liability is one of the many advantages to incorporation, and is a major draw for smaller businesses to incorporate; particularly those involved in highly litigated trade.
Corporations exist as virtual or fictitious persons, granting a limited protection to the actual people involved in the business of the corporation. This limitation of liability is one of the many advantages to incorporation, and is a major draw for smaller businesses to incorporate; particularly those involved in highly litigated trade.
AnotherAverageJoe wrote:
antico wrote:
Whenever you see corporations attacked, you know the people attacking them have a socialist or communist mindset. Horse poop They are people who remember that "We The People" are suposed to run this country, not corporations! They would prefer the government run corporations, and they want to run the government through their unions or left wing originations.No! I want to see corporations and the rich pay their fair share. And YES! Their fair share is a bigger percentage of thier income than is paid by people with less. After all it is the charitable nature of corporations that put us in this mess!
Re: Corporations spent more lobbying than paying taxes
[ New ]12-15-2011 07:40 AM
Corporations were given personhood a long time ago in order to allow businesses to be sued. Since then the corporation has been given even more personhood. Thay can contribute to elections etc. And that is where the concept went wrong. It isn't right for them to be given more and more rights. "WE the people" suffer as a result. thats not right. Why do you think otherwise. BTW I am the president and chairman of a small corporation.
antico wrote:
You’re incorrigible. You just made my point with your horse poop. You said “We the people” are supposed to run this country, not corporations. I guess you don’t know what a corporation is. In a general sense, a corporation is a business entity that is given many of the same legal rights as an actual person. Corporations may be made up of a single person or a group of people, known as sole corporations or aggregate corporations, respectively.
Corporations exist as virtual or fictitious persons, granting a limited protection to the actual people involved in the business of the corporation. This limitation of liability is one of the many advantages to incorporation, and is a major draw for smaller businesses to incorporate; particularly those involved in highly litigated trade.
AnotherAverageJoe wrote:
antico wrote:
Whenever you see corporations attacked, you know the people attacking them have a socialist or communist mindset. Horse poop They are people who remember that "We The People" are suposed to run this country, not corporations! They would prefer the government run corporations, and they want to run the government through their unions or left wing originations.No! I want to see corporations and the rich pay their fair share. And YES! Their fair share is a bigger percentage of thier income than is paid by people with less. After all it is the charitable nature of corporations that put us in this mess!
Re: Corporations spent more lobbying than paying taxes
[ New ]12-15-2011 01:56 PM
I think corporations should be allowed to contribute to elections. The world knows unions do. Unions are sponsoring the recall of the governor of Wisconsin, and are bankrolling the “Occupy Wall Street” demonstrations throughout the country. They’ve shut down a port on the west coast, all in the name of what? All in the name of some pie in the sky utopian share the wealth socialist dream. If a corporation wants to contribute an origination that wants to combat this cancer on our society, I say go for it.
All the left wing cries of “We the people” are misleading. These leftist don’t speak for me or 99% of the people; they only speak for themselves and other envious malcontents that claim they speak the masses.
God bless American Corporations, they’ve made our country an economic powerhouse and the envy of the world.
All the left wing cries of “We the people” are misleading. These leftist don’t speak for me or 99% of the people; they only speak for themselves and other envious malcontents that claim they speak the masses.
God bless American Corporations, they’ve made our country an economic powerhouse and the envy of the world.
AnotherAverageJoe wrote:
Corporations were given personhood a long time ago in order to allow businesses to be sued. Since then the corporation has been given even more personhood. Thay can contribute to elections etc. And that is where the concept went wrong. It isn't right for them to be given more and more rights. "WE the people" suffer as a result. thats not right. Why do you think otherwise. BTW I am the president and chairman of a small corporation.
Re: Corporations spent more lobbying than paying taxes
[ New ]12-15-2011 02:12 PM
I see they haven't outsourced your job. At least not yet.
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.
When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out.
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.
When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out.
antico wrote:
I think corporations should be allowed to contribute to elections. The world knows unions do. Unions are sponsoring the recall of the governor of Wisconsin, and are bankrolling the “Occupy Wall Street” demonstrations throughout the country. They’ve shut down a port on the west coast, all in the name of what? All in the name of some pie in the sky utopian share the wealth socialist dream. If a corporation wants to contribute an origination that wants to combat this cancer on our society, I say go for it.
All the left wing cries of “We the people” are misleading. These leftist don’t speak for me or 99% of the people; they only speak for themselves and other envious malcontents that claim they speak the masses.
God bless American Corporations, they’ve made our country an economic powerhouse and the envy of the world.
AnotherAverageJoe wrote:
Corporations were given personhood a long time ago in order to allow businesses to be sued. Since then the corporation has been given even more personhood. Thay can contribute to elections etc. And that is where the concept went wrong. It isn't right for them to be given more and more rights. "WE the people" suffer as a result. thats not right. Why do you think otherwise. BTW I am the president and chairman of a small corporation.
Re: Corporations spent more lobbying than paying taxes
[ New ]12-15-2011 08:04 PM
Why, oh why does the right assume that they constitute 99% of the people? And that anyone who doesn't believe as they do are envious malcontents?
antico wrote:
I think corporations should be allowed to contribute to elections. The world knows unions do. Unions are sponsoring the recall of the governor of Wisconsin, and are bankrolling the “Occupy Wall Street” demonstrations throughout the country. They’ve shut down a port on the west coast, all in the name of what? All in the name of some pie in the sky utopian share the wealth socialist dream. If a corporation wants to contribute an origination that wants to combat this cancer on our society, I say go for it.
All the left wing cries of “We the people” are misleading. These leftist don’t speak for me or 99% of the people; they only speak for themselves and other envious malcontents that claim they speak the masses.
God bless American Corporations, they’ve made our country an economic powerhouse and the envy of the world.
I wear my "leftist liberal bra burning lesbian envious malcontent" hang tag with pride (even though I'm a middle of the road halfway conservative straight not narrow type who wouldn't be caught DEAD without a bra.) To me it signifies that I have developed the ability to think beyond what fills MY plate, wallet and bank account.
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