Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
12-01-2011 09:58 AM
While I agree... I also know that the public ultimately is responsible for employing these incompetent higher-ups. Sue them and win doesn't put her job back. If anything, a loss in court for them paves the way for them to be declared potential liabilities for future incidences. The district would look for an excuse to cut them lose leaving her to deal with the age old problem of getting blood out of a turnip. Once again, we're left dealing with the reality that this isn't a fair world.
BBOY wrote:
She shouldn't be suing the school district which the taxpayer will ultimately pay for. She should be suing the higher ups PERSONALLY. When will we start doing this. They should be held PERSONALLY responsible for there actions.
Regardless... She should be given her job back along with some compensation for what this has cost her.
"You cannot negotiate with people who say 'what's mine is mine, and what's yours is negotiable." -- President John Fitzgerald Kennedy.
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Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
12-01-2011 02:25 PM
Shouldn't those boys be spending years, if not the rest of their lives in prison? Good grief, they took advantage of this poor little girl, and she will undoubtedly be scarred for life. She was crying! Most certainly, her life has been ruined forever.
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At the very least, they should be forced to register for life as sexual deviants (they can't be cured, as we all know) and always be kept apart from other children.
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Not only that, but they should be prevented from ever having children of their own, since they are obviously turned on by little girls.
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This is so sick.
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At the very least, they should be forced to register for life as sexual deviants (they can't be cured, as we all know) and always be kept apart from other children.
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Not only that, but they should be prevented from ever having children of their own, since they are obviously turned on by little girls.
.
This is so sick.
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
12-01-2011 02:31 PM
And folks wonder WHY teachers need a Union contract?? The district in which she worked has no more contract--once the EM was appointed, all Union protection went out the window. Think ANY other teacher will "stick out their neck" - even to protect a child? Probably not. You all yelled about teacher/public Unions. Got what you wanted?
doggiecris wrote:
This is why we have whistleblower laws in Michigan. Unfortunately, the DPS is under receivership and broke. Otherwise Bev would stand to make millions from this stupidity.
Think globally, act locally
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
12-01-2011 02:36 PM
Huh. A thread about a nine year old being forced to have sex and it took you three whole pages to show up? You're slipping.
pywakit wrote:
Shouldn't those boys be spending years, if not the rest of their lives in prison? Good grief, they took advantage of this poor little girl, and she will undoubtedly be scarred for life. She was crying! Most certainly, her life has been ruined forever.
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At the very least, they should be forced to register for life as sexual deviants (they can't be cured, as we all know) and always be kept apart from other children.
.
Not only that, but they should be prevented from ever having children of their own, since they are obviously turned on by little girls.
.
This is so sick.
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
12-01-2011 02:51 PM
I would like to think losing a job wouldn't be enough to stop a teacher from turning a blind eye. I'm a community member familiar with school board members and being the COMMUNITY and NOT the administration runs the district schools, I plan on asking that this person be placed on a list of prospects when the next position opens.
catherinethegrea wrote:
And folks wonder WHY teachers need a Union contract?? The district in which she worked has no more contract--once the EM was appointed, all Union protection went out the window. Think ANY other teacher will "stick out their neck" - even to protect a child? Probably not. You all yelled about teacher/public Unions. Got what you wanted?
doggiecris wrote:
This is why we have whistleblower laws in Michigan. Unfortunately, the DPS is under receivership and broke. Otherwise Bev would stand to make millions from this stupidity.
The community MUST remain in charge of their schools.
Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it.
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
12-01-2011 03:15 PM
BJoseph wrote:
I would like to think losing a job wouldn't be enough to stop a teacher from turning a blind eye. I'm a community member familiar with school board members and being the COMMUNITY and NOT the administration runs the district schools, I plan on asking that this person be placed on a list of prospects when the next position opens.
catherinethegrea wrote:
And folks wonder WHY teachers need a Union contract?? The district in which she worked has no more contract--once the EM was appointed, all Union protection went out the window. Think ANY other teacher will "stick out their neck" - even to protect a child? Probably not. You all yelled about teacher/public Unions. Got what you wanted?
doggiecris wrote:
This is why we have whistleblower laws in Michigan. Unfortunately, the DPS is under receivership and broke. Otherwise Bev would stand to make millions from this stupidity.
The community MUST remain in charge of their schools.
I would like to think that also. However, I'd "think twice" before taking action, since we are a one income household. NOT a good situation, for either the children OR the teachers. Thanx for taking some local action. Unfortunately the community in Detroit didn't rally 'roun
Think globally, act locally
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
12-01-2011 03:39 PM
pywakit wrote:
Shouldn't those boys be spending years, if not the rest of their lives in prison? Good grief, they took advantage of this poor little girl, and she will undoubtedly be scarred for life. She was crying! Most certainly, her life has been ruined forever.
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At the very least, they should be forced to register for life as sexual deviants (they can't be cured, as we all know) and always be kept apart from other children.
.
Not only that, but they should be prevented from ever having children of their own, since they are obviously turned on by little girls.
.
This is so sick.
answer is YES THEY SHOULD AND YES THEY ARE SICK
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
12-01-2011 03:49 PM
I just cannot believe that people blame the schools, when it's the members of the community who dictate how their schools are run. The schools reflect the make-up the the school district and it's sad to say, that pretty much sums up this particular problem. Private schools are great because they can boot the losers into Public Schools.
I would like to think that also. However, I'd "think twice" before taking action, since we are a one income household. NOT a good situation, for either the children OR the teachers. Thanx for taking some local action. Unfortunately the community in Detroit didn't rally 'roun
As far as me taking local action, we're talking about a few phone calls and an hour tops, that's hardly a huge sacrifice on my part.
Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it.
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
12-01-2011 10:03 PM
No dougpug, I'm not kidding. I believe in the case where Sandusky was actually witnessed doing this, he was stopped. And, put yourself in their shoes. As I said, if the verdict should happen to be not guilty, they would have put themselves in a position to be sued and in this sue happy society, that most suredly would have happened. Its great to express outrage on a forum such as this, but when you get involved in something like this you definitely are putting yourself out there. Its kind of similar to the guy who turns a corner, see's someone being held at gunpoint and trying to interfere. He definitely puts himself in the position to get shot. What would you do?
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
[ New ]12-01-2011 10:50 PM
BJoseph wrote:
I just cannot believe that people blame the schools, when it's the members of the community who dictate how their schools are run. The schools reflect the make-up the the school district and it's sad to say, that pretty much sums up this particular problem. Private schools are great because they can boot the losers into Public Schools.
I would like to think that also. However, I'd "think twice" before taking action, since we are a one income household. NOT a good situation, for either the children OR the teachers. Thanx for taking some local action. Unfortunately the community in Detroit didn't rally 'roun
As far as me taking local action, we're talking about a few phone calls and an hour tops, that's hardly a huge sacrifice on my part.
Please look at my siggy. I've been nailed on the wall about it. But... ALL politics is local. Your local school bd. election is one of the MOST important in which to cast your vote. It really takes very little effort, BUT it's an election where one has local control and "follow up"--school bd. mtgs. gr. Attend, you don't even have to say anything. Just BEING there puts them on notice that folks are watching. My local school taxes are $500 of my mtg. payment/month. I'm NOT complaining--just that's a BIG hunk and I should know where it's going.
Think globally, act locally
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
[ New ]12-02-2011 12:14 AM - last edited on 12-02-2011 12:18 AM
Sorry. Been busy. Somehow, I doubt from the wording of the article she had actual intercourse. Sounds like it was probably oral. Was she really forced? Neither you or I know the answer to this. Will she go on to have a normal life? Don't see why not. Except that the aftermath was probably far more traumatizing than the actual sex. If the teacher had run into her a few hours later, after she had had a chance to calm down, we may never have heard about it.
dougpug wrote:
Huh. A thread about a nine year old being forced to have sex and it took you three whole pages to show up? You're slipping.
pywakit wrote:
Shouldn't those boys be spending years, if not the rest of their lives in prison? Good grief, they took advantage of this poor little girl, and she will undoubtedly be scarred for life. She was crying! Most certainly, her life has been ruined forever.
.
At the very least, they should be forced to register for life as sexual deviants (they can't be cured, as we all know) and always be kept apart from other children.
.
Not only that, but they should be prevented from ever having children of their own, since they are obviously turned on by little girls.
.
This is so sick.
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
[ New ]12-02-2011 12:55 PM
pywakit wrote:
Sorry. Been busy. Somehow, I doubt from the wording of the article she had actual intercourse. Sounds like it was probably oral. Was she really forced? Neither you or I know the answer to this. Will she go on to have a normal life? Don't see why not. Except that the aftermath was probably far more traumatizing than the actual sex. If the teacher had run into her a few hours later, after she had had a chance to calm down, we may never have heard about it.
dougpug wrote:
Huh. A thread about a nine year old being forced to have sex and it took you three whole pages to show up? You're slipping.
well she was 9 so yeah she was probably a veteran of many sexual encounters .besides it was only oral right? well maybe you assume that's all it was ,you assume she wasn't forced .how can you justify your reactions ? 99 out of 100 people would say this is sick ,you say it's normal .how can you be so delusional to think your normal and everybody else is screwed up? how could you possibly know this ? unless you have experienced it as a 9 year old girl ,or some other vway.
that's what pedophiles depend on isn't it? after the victims thinks about it all the guilt and shame and disgust kicks in ,that is why many don't tell unlike your way of believing the 9 year old not only liked it but initiated it .you know those 9 year olds ,hot to trot every one of them huh? in your perfect world no child would have to decide to tell or not becuse raping a 9 year old would be not only normal but legal , good luck with that.
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
[ New ]12-02-2011 02:40 PM
shadowstuff wrote:
pywakit wrote:
Sorry. Been busy. Somehow, I doubt from the wording of the article she had actual intercourse. Sounds like it was probably oral. Was she really forced? Neither you or I know the answer to this. Will she go on to have a normal life? Don't see why not. Except that the aftermath was probably far more traumatizing than the actual sex. If the teacher had run into her a few hours later, after she had had a chance to calm down, we may never have heard about it.
dougpug wrote:
Huh. A thread about a nine year old being forced to have sex and it took you three whole pages to show up? You're slipping.
well she was 9 so yeah she was probably a veteran of many sexual encounters .besides it was only oral right?
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I don't know if she was or wasn't. Neither do you. I don't know if it was oral. The wording of the article suggests that.
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well maybe you assume that's all it was ,you assume she wasn't forced .
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Incorrect. Just observed that we do not know for certain either way.
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how can you justify your reactions ?
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I'm not reacting. I'm making observations.
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99 out of 100 people would say this is sick ,
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So? 99 people out of 100 thought the sun revolved around the earth. Seriously, I dont think 99 out of 100 rational adults would consider sexual experimentation among children to be 'sick'. This wasn't adults raping a 9 year old after all. But maybe I am wrong. Maybe our society is so delusional and so in denial about children's sexuality that 99 out of 100 would consider it sick.
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you say it's normal .
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Yes, sex is normal.
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how can you be so delusional to think your normal and everybody else is screwed up?
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Wow. Maybe the sun does revolve around the earth. shadow, religious conservatives in our society have done a remarkably efficient job of conditioning and indoctrinating people to think certain ways. Thanks to them, our views on sex are rediculously warped and twisted.
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how could you possibly know this ? unless you have experienced it as a 9 year old girl ,or some other vway.
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Research shadow. Honest, objective, unbiased research. You should know this by now. Everything I have ever said on this subject is based on research. I should add that my research does not include pedo sites.
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that's what pedophiles depend on isn't it? after the victims thinks about it all the guilt and shame and disgust kicks in ,
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Guilt and shame they should not have to feel. Thanks to people like you, many people do feel this way.
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that is why many don't tell unlike your way of believing the 9 year old not only liked it but initiated it .
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It's possible. It's also possible she actually was forced against her will.
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you know those 9 year olds ,hot to trot every one of them huh?
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Probably not.
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in your perfect world no child would have to decide to tell or not becuse raping a 9 year old would be not only normal but legal , good luck with that.
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I don't think I ever said that. Lol. But you believe what you want.
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
[ New ]12-02-2011 02:44 PM
Insubordination??? Teachers are MANDATED BY LAW to report abuse. The school administrations "rules" don't "over-rule' LAW!!! Some of these school administrators seem to think they are the Lord/Lady of the manor and their rulings are absolute. They aren't. So the teacher is put in the position of either breaking the law, which could put her behind bars and open her to civil liability, or breaking her principals sacred "rules" and edicts. Oh yeah, tough choice there. The school got off light, it should have had another zero behind it $750K? It should have been 7.5 million to send a message. If the story was substantiated then the principle should be looked at by the police and prosecutors office for violations of state law. The teacher should also get her job back, with back pay. The principle said the accusations were baseless. What did he(?) base that on? An investigation? Or a desire to keep the peace in their little kingdom? A rape at a school would make a principal look really bad, so they probably wanted to protect their own reputation. Oh, and the school should have to pay her attorney fees as well.
Insubordination vs. violating the law. These are the people who are teaching our children, the kids who will be selecting your nursing home one day. Sleep well.
Insubordination vs. violating the law. These are the people who are teaching our children, the kids who will be selecting your nursing home one day. Sleep well.
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
[ New ]12-02-2011 02:48 PM
OK!!!
I am not sure who wrote what but the person who wrote in DARK BLUE (whoever that might be) needs some psychiatric help!!! PRONTO!!!!!!
Just a question for that person, are you a pedophile???? Just wondering!!!!
I am not sure who wrote what but the person who wrote in DARK BLUE (whoever that might be) needs some psychiatric help!!! PRONTO!!!!!!
Just a question for that person, are you a pedophile???? Just wondering!!!!
pywakit wrote:
shadowstuff wrote:
pywakit wrote:
Sorry. Been busy. Somehow, I doubt from the wording of the article she had actual intercourse. Sounds like it was probably oral. Was she really forced? Neither you or I know the answer to this. Will she go on to have a normal life? Don't see why not. Except that the aftermath was probably far more traumatizing than the actual sex. If the teacher had run into her a few hours later, after she had had a chance to calm down, we may never have heard about it.
dougpug wrote:
Huh. A thread about a nine year old being forced to have sex and it took you three whole pages to show up? You're slipping.
well she was 9 so yeah she was probably a veteran of many sexual encounters .besides it was only oral right?
.
I don't know if she was or wasn't. Neither do you. I don't know if it was oral. The wording of the article suggests that.
.
well maybe you assume that's all it was ,you assume she wasn't forced .
.
Incorrect. Just observed that we do not know for certain either way.
.
how can you justify your reactions ?
.
I'm not reacting. I'm making observations.
.
99 out of 100 people would say this is sick ,
.
So? 99 people out of 100 thought the sun revolved around the earth. Seriously, I dont think 99 out of 100 rational adults would consider sexual experimentation among children to be 'sick'. This wasn't adults raping a 9 year old after all. But maybe I am wrong. Maybe our society is so delusional and so in denial about children's sexuality that 99 out of 100 would consider it sick.
.
you say it's normal .
.
Yes, sex is normal.
.
how can you be so delusional to think your normal and everybody else is screwed up?
.
Wow. Maybe the sun does revolve around the earth. shadow, religious conservatives in our society have done a remarkably efficient job of conditioning and indoctrinating people to think certain ways. Thanks to them, our views on sex are rediculously warped and twisted.
.
how could you possibly know this ? unless you have experienced it as a 9 year old girl ,or some other vway.
.
Research shadow. Honest, objective, unbiased research. You should know this by now. Everything I have ever said on this subject is based on research. I should add that my research does not include pedo sites.
.
that's what pedophiles depend on isn't it? after the victims thinks about it all the guilt and shame and disgust kicks in ,
.
Guilt and shame they should not have to feel. Thanks to people like you, many people do feel this way.
.
that is why many don't tell unlike your way of believing the 9 year old not only liked it but initiated it .
.
It's possible. It's also possible she actually was forced against her will.
.
you know those 9 year olds ,hot to trot every one of them huh?
.
Probably not.
.
in your perfect world no child would have to decide to tell or not becuse raping a 9 year old would be not only normal but legal , good luck with that.
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I don't think I ever said that. Lol. But you believe what you want.
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
[ New ]12-02-2011 02:58 PM
pywakit wrote:
shadowstuff wrote:
do i need to go looking for the numerous times you have said exactly that?
pywakit wrote:
Sorry. Been busy. Somehow, I doubt from the wording of the article she had actual intercourse. Sounds like it was probably oral. Was she really forced? Neither you or I know the answer to this. Will she go on to have a normal life? Don't see why not. Except that the aftermath was probably far more traumatizing than the actual sex. If the teacher had run into her a few hours later, after she had had a chance to calm down, we may never have heard about it.
dougpug wrote:
Huh. A thread about a nine year old being forced to have sex and it took you three whole pages to show up? You're slipping.
well she was 9 so yeah she was probably a veteran of many sexual encounters .besides it was only oral right?
.
I don't know if she was or wasn't. Neither do you. I don't know if it was oral. The wording of the article suggests that.
.
well maybe you assume that's all it was ,you assume she wasn't forced .
.
Incorrect. Just observed that we do not know for certain either way.
.
how can you justify your reactions ?
.
I'm not reacting. I'm making observations.
.
99 out of 100 people would say this is sick ,
.
So? 99 people out of 100 thought the sun revolved around the earth. Seriously, I dont think 99 out of 100 rational adults would consider sexual experimentation among children to be 'sick'. This wasn't adults raping a 9 year old after all. But maybe I am wrong. Maybe our society is so delusional and so in denial about children's sexuality that 99 out of 100 would consider it sick.
.
you say it's normal .
.
Yes, sex is normal.
.for 9 year olds?
how can you be so delusional to think your normal and everybody else is screwed up?
.
Wow. Maybe the sun does revolve around the earth. shadow, religious conservatives in our society have done a remarkably efficient job of conditioning and indoctrinating people to think certain ways. Thanks to them, our views on sex are rediculously warped and twisted.
ever consider that your views are warped and twisted?
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how could you possibly know this ? unless you have experienced it as a 9 year old girl ,or some other vway.
.
Research shadow. Honest, objective, unbiased research. You should know this by now. Everything I have ever said on this subject is based on research. I should add that my research does not include pedo sites.
.research? where do you get your facts ? from some impersonal study or from observing real survivors?
unbiased ,yeah like the nambla sites you have quoted .
that's what pedophiles depend on isn't it? after the victims thinks about it all the guilt and shame and disgust kicks in ,
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Guilt and shame they should not have to feel. Thanks to people like you, many people do feel this way.
. explain how i made them feel guilt or shame?
that is why many don't tell unlike your way of believing the 9 year old not only liked it but initiated it .
.
It's possible. It's also possible she actually was forced against her will.
.
you know those 9 year olds ,hot to trot every one of them huh?
.
Probably not.
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in your perfect world no child would have to decide to tell or not becuse raping a 9 year old would be not only normal but legal , good luck with that.
.
I don't think I ever said that. Lol. But you believe what you want.
it's people like you who use guilt and shame against children not me . you tell them it's ok when unlike you deep down even at age 9 they know it's not .people like you confuse children, blur the lines between love and abusedid you teach your children that sex at age 9 is normal ? probably.or if someone molests them it's best to just keep quiet about it
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
[ New ]12-03-2011 02:34 AM
If I am a pedophile, then what good would it do to see a psychiatrist? Everone knows they can't be cured. Lol.
NiFuNiFa wrote:
OK!!!
I am not sure who wrote what but the person who wrote in DARK BLUE (whoever that might be) needs some psychiatric help!!! PRONTO!!!!!!
Just a question for that person, are you a pedophile???? Just wondering!!!!
pywakit wrote:
shadowstuff wrote:
pywakit wrote:
Sorry. Been busy. Somehow, I doubt from the wording of the article she had actual intercourse. Sounds like it was probably oral. Was she really forced? Neither you or I know the answer to this. Will she go on to have a normal life? Don't see why not. Except that the aftermath was probably far more traumatizing than the actual sex. If the teacher had run into her a few hours later, after she had had a chance to calm down, we may never have heard about it.
dougpug wrote:
Huh. A thread about a nine year old being forced to have sex and it took you three whole pages to show up? You're slipping.
well she was 9 so yeah she was probably a veteran of many sexual encounters .besides it was only oral right?
.
I don't know if she was or wasn't. Neither do you. I don't know if it was oral. The wording of the article suggests that.
.
well maybe you assume that's all it was ,you assume she wasn't forced .
.
Incorrect. Just observed that we do not know for certain either way.
.
how can you justify your reactions ?
.
I'm not reacting. I'm making observations.
.
99 out of 100 people would say this is sick ,
.
So? 99 people out of 100 thought the sun revolved around the earth. Seriously, I dont think 99 out of 100 rational adults would consider sexual experimentation among children to be 'sick'. This wasn't adults raping a 9 year old after all. But maybe I am wrong. Maybe our society is so delusional and so in denial about children's sexuality that 99 out of 100 would consider it sick.
.
you say it's normal .
.
Yes, sex is normal.
.
how can you be so delusional to think your normal and everybody else is screwed up?
.
Wow. Maybe the sun does revolve around the earth. shadow, religious conservatives in our society have done a remarkably efficient job of conditioning and indoctrinating people to think certain ways. Thanks to them, our views on sex are rediculously warped and twisted.
.
how could you possibly know this ? unless you have experienced it as a 9 year old girl ,or some other vway.
.
Research shadow. Honest, objective, unbiased research. You should know this by now. Everything I have ever said on this subject is based on research. I should add that my research does not include pedo sites.
.
that's what pedophiles depend on isn't it? after the victims thinks about it all the guilt and shame and disgust kicks in ,
.
Guilt and shame they should not have to feel. Thanks to people like you, many people do feel this way.
.
that is why many don't tell unlike your way of believing the 9 year old not only liked it but initiated it .
.
It's possible. It's also possible she actually was forced against her will.
.
you know those 9 year olds ,hot to trot every one of them huh?
.
Probably not.
.
in your perfect world no child would have to decide to tell or not becuse raping a 9 year old would be not only normal but legal , good luck with that.
.
I don't think I ever said that. Lol. But you believe what you want.
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
[ New ]12-03-2011 10:59 AM
pywakit wrote:
If I am a pedophile, then what good would it do to see a psychiatrist? Everone knows they can't be cured. Lol.
NiFuNiFa wrote:
OK!!!
I am not sure who wrote what but the person who wrote in DARK BLUE (whoever that might be) needs some psychiatric help!!! PRONTO!!!!!!
Just a question for that person, are you a pedophile???? Just wondering!!!!
finally something we can agree about
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
[ New ]12-03-2011 11:07 AM
tiredofitall wrote:
Insubordination??? Teachers are MANDATED BY LAW to report abuse. The school administrations "rules" don't "over-rule' LAW!!! Some of these school administrators seem to think they are the Lord/Lady of the manor and their rulings are absolute. They aren't. So the teacher is put in the position of either breaking the law, which could put her behind bars and open her to civil liability, or breaking her principals sacred "rules" and edicts. Oh yeah, tough choice there. The school got off light, it should have had another zero behind it $750K? It should have been 7.5 million to send a message. If the story was substantiated then the principle should be looked at by the police and prosecutors office for violations of state law. The teacher should also get her job back, with back pay. The principle said the accusations were baseless. What did he(?) base that on? An investigation? Or a desire to keep the peace in their little kingdom? A rape at a school would make a principal look really bad, so they probably wanted to protect their own reputation. Oh, and the school should have to pay her attorney fees as well.
Insubordination vs. violating the law. These are the people who are teaching our children, the kids who will be selecting your nursing home one day. Sleep well.
#1)Admins are NOt teachers any longer.
#2) Admins have no Union.
#3) Since the appointment of the EM, all admins. serve "at will" and can be fired for ANY incident at their school.
#4) Teachers repeatedly ask for help w/"troubled students"--don't get any. Even when you have 10-20 pages of documentation.
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