Thursday, December 15, 2011

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Gutsky
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Over the past 10 years, more than 20,000 American children are believed to have been killed in their own homes by family members. That is nearly four times the number of US soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The child maltreatment death rate in the US is triple Canada's and 11 times that of Italy. Millions of children are reported as abused and neglected every year. Why is that?

Part of the answer is that teen pregnancy, high-school dropout, violent crime, imprisonment, and poverty - factors associated with abuse and neglect - are generally much higher in the US.

Further, other rich nations have social policies that provide child care, universal health insurance, pre-school, parental leave and visiting nurses to virtually all in need.

Woman holding a baby
Nearly half the child fatalities in 2009 were children under the age of one

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15193530


Every five hours a child dies from abuse or neglect in the US.

The latest government figures show an estimated 1,770 children were killed as a result of maltreatment in 2009.

A recent congressional report concludes the real number could be nearer 2,500.

In fact, America has the worst child abuse record in the industrialised world. Why? The BBC's Natalia Antelava investigates

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15288865


Red, White, Black and Blue.  

Here in the U.S. we have a big societal problem with nearly 2,000 children per annum being murdered as a result of child abuse each year in the United States, and not a word about it from NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, FOX, or your local newspaper.

The American MSM sweeps it all under the rug.

They spent more time on the death of Michael Jackson than this issue.

Shame . . .





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--George Washington's Farewell Address
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vfmin08
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Re: 'Major Epidemic': U.S. Child Abuse Deaths

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I wonder about accuracy in reporting statistics.  

EDIT:  Also, I think it is unfair to compare the United States to Italy or Canada in this regard, as our population is many times that of either country.  What is our child abuse rate compared to a country like India, China, Pakistan?  That would be a more fair comparison, but then you have to wonder about the accuracy of the numbers REPORTED in a lot of countries.  
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JimJR
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The comparison is legit...and even if the percentages are off by 10 %.... there are still too many kids being abused.  I see from experience working in the juvenile hall system....minority teen pregnacy is way too high and it is that way because minority teen girls think having a baby is a sign of maturity... and for teen minority boys...they dont care....as long as they get their rocks off.  Racist?  Maybe but that is what I saw in 8 years of working with primarily minority kids.
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OldeSpy
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vfmin08 wrote:
I wonder about accuracy in reporting statistics.  

EDIT:  Also, I think it is unfair to compare the United States to Italy or Canada in this regard, as our population is many times that of either country.  What is our child abuse rate compared to a country like India, China, Pakistan?  That would be a more fair comparison, but then you have to wonder about the accuracy of the numbers REPORTED in a lot of countries.  

They aren't talking total deaths... They were talking rates... As in per capita. We are a prime example of what happens when expectations are kept high and the reality for practical access drops in the crapper. Tensions mount, kids are raised without parental oversight, and a generation of super agitated kids lacking the coping skills and moral compass are suddenly thrust into a situation where as parents ... Nothing seems to work. The number of unplanned babies goes up... Along with failed relationships, ruined lives, and people who unrealistically think that their babies should understand the adult's needs and carry their share of the load. Austerity gets blamed on the babies and many of the perps are acting out on thoughts of how much better life was before junior was born.

We don't have a budget problem in this country... We have a jobs crisis. The growing trend of infanticide is just another expression of this growing crisis.

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feeroegee
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As long as we allow the pigs who do this to live we are all just as foolish as them.They should be done with life the minute the trial is over.Little sweet babies dead because of sick adults.Shame on all of us.
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tsgtsmako
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Registered: 09-09-2010
Child abuse and child neglect have killed more children independently of each other than fire arms. We have gotten more and more legislation to protect us from fire arms but very little to protect children from abuse and neglect. Instead of giving some watchdog organization money where, under the law, only 10 percent has to go to the charity, give your letters and political attention to legislation that protects children from being taken away from a crackhead and given to a crack house welfare family.
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im4u2
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US Child Abuse Deaths- They happen because people have no respect for life. An immoral society, with
no principles, no values.  That's all!
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digiman
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The jails and prisons full enough? Yeah I think so.  Maybe  the non-violent people need to be released and forgiven to make room for the violent ones. Just a crazy theory. 
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vfmin08
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I have a really hard time believing this.  With all of our child protection laws?  In other countries they still use children for hard physical labor.  Other countries (such as Africa) use children as soldiers and rebels also rape and murder children in some areas.  In a LOT of countries in the ME, children are married off (sometimes as BABIES) and are already having babies themselves by the time they reach puberty, and many die during childbirth.  Look at some of the human rights websites about the HORRIBLE treatment of children in most 3rd world countries, but we're the worst?  We already have MANY social services institutions in place in order to help parents.  We have abortion, adoption and drop-off centers for unwanted infants.  If this is true (I think it is an issue of REPORTING), then it isn't because these people aren't getting enough support.  We have plenty of organizations (governmental and charitable) to help.  This doesn't make sense to me AT ALL that we have a WORSE child abuse rate than those countries who have NO support systems set up?  
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vfmin08
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Maybe the title of this thread should read the U.S. Has the Most REPORTED Child Abuse Deaths.  Still sad that ANY child has to die because of abuse or that any child would have to live with abuse, and I am not trying to take away from that message, but I am sooooo sick and tired of people trying to make us look like we are a "bad" country that doesn't care about its children and people.  That is such a load of bogus crap.  I'm sick of people trying to make us look bad.  We probably have the MOST accurate, up to date and best reporting, and THAT is probably the difference.  I don't buy it that "we don't care enough about our children" crap.  Sorry.  I see the opposite of that EVERY DAY.  

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vfmin08
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LOL!  Yeah, the BBC.  Aren't they the ones who said America was behind 9-1-1 and the terrorists were still alive?  And to think, at one time they actually put out some good stuff.  How sad.    


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OldeSpy
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feeroegee wrote:
As long as we allow the pigs who do this to live we are all just as foolish as them.They should be done with life the minute the trial is over.Little sweet babies dead because of sick adults.Shame on all of us.

While I have no qualms about protecting kids, I find it interesting how many of the most argent pro-lifers are also staunch anti-global warming supporters. When you look down the road, the prognosis for unabated man made activity and how it will impact all of the children for all times...

It's a tough reach to understand the contradictions.
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OldeSpy
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While I understand your point, I also find it hard to try on. It doesn't fit for me. For me to go along with what you've said is to say, "As long as we're better than those other guys, anything we do is okay." To me... It isn't. To me... We need to be better than WE are. We can do better than this. 

vfmin08 wrote:
I have a really hard time believing this.  With all of our child protection laws?  In other countries they still use children for hard physical labor.  Other countries (such as Africa) use children as soldiers and rebels also rape and murder children in some areas.  In a LOT of countries in the ME, children are married off (sometimes as BABIES) and are already having babies themselves by the time they reach puberty, and many die during childbirth.  Look at some of the human rights websites about the HORRIBLE treatment of children in most 3rd world countries, but we're the worst?  We already have MANY social services institutions in place in order to help parents.  We have abortion, adoption and drop-off centers for unwanted infants.  If this is true (I think it is an issue of REPORTING), then it isn't because these people aren't getting enough support.  We have plenty of organizations (governmental and charitable) to help.  This doesn't make sense to me AT ALL that we have a WORSE child abuse rate than those countries who have NO support systems set up?  


"You cannot negotiate with people who say 'what's mine is mine, and what's yours is negotiable." -- President John Fitzgerald Kennedy.
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vfmin08
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I never said we can't do better.  I said I think the report is highly flawed because of our reporting techniques and accuracy compared to other countries and also that there are MANY avenues for one who no longer wishes to be a parent or who is not equipped to handle it which are nonexistant in other countries, as WELL as what goes on in other countries in regards to children and their rights, and I said they should change the title of the thread to the United States has the Most REPORTED Cases of Child Abuse, and I stand by that 100%.  I am questioning the accuracy and validity of this report.  I never said any of what you are assuming. 

OldeSpy wrote:
While I understand your point, I also find it hard to try on. It doesn't fit for me. For me to go along with what you've said is to say, "As long as we're better than those other guys, anything we do is okay." To me... It isn't. To me... We need to be better than WE are. We can do better than this. 

vfmin08 wrote:
I have a really hard time believing this.  With all of our child protection laws?  In other countries they still use children for hard physical labor.  Other countries (such as Africa) use children as soldiers and rebels also rape and murder children in some areas.  In a LOT of countries in the ME, children are married off (sometimes as BABIES) and are already having babies themselves by the time they reach puberty, and many die during childbirth.  Look at some of the human rights websites about the HORRIBLE treatment of children in most 3rd world countries, but we're the worst?  We already have MANY social services institutions in place in order to help parents.  We have abortion, adoption and drop-off centers for unwanted infants.  If this is true (I think it is an issue of REPORTING), then it isn't because these people aren't getting enough support.  We have plenty of organizations (governmental and charitable) to help.  This doesn't make sense to me AT ALL that we have a WORSE child abuse rate than those countries who have NO support systems set up?  




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shadowstuff
Posts: 4,418
Registered: 03-02-2008

Gutsky wrote:
Over the past 10 years, more than 20,000 American children are believed to have been killed in their own homes by family members. That is nearly four times the number of US soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The child maltreatment death rate in the US is triple Canada's and 11 times that of Italy. Millions of children are reported as abused and neglected every year. Why is that?

Part of the answer is that teen pregnancy, high-school dropout, violent crime, imprisonment, and poverty - factors associated with abuse and neglect - are generally much higher in the US.

Further, other rich nations have social policies that provide child care, universal health insurance, pre-school, parental leave and visiting nurses to virtually all in need.

Woman holding a baby
Nearly half the child fatalities in 2009 were children under the age of one

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15193530


Every five hours a child dies from abuse or neglect in the US.

The latest government figures show an estimated 1,770 children were killed as a result of maltreatment in 2009.

A recent congressional report concludes the real number could be nearer 2,500.

In fact, America has the worst child abuse record in the industrialised world. Why? The BBC's Natalia Antelava investigates

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15288865


Red, White, Black and Blue.  

Here in the U.S. we have a big societal problem with nearly 2,000 children per annum being murdered as a result of child abuse each year in the United States, and not a word about it from NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, FOX, or your local newspaper.

The American MSM sweeps it all under the rug.

They spent more time on the death of Michael Jackson than this issue.

Shame . . .






i'm not against animals ,but every time i see a sad psa ,about abused animals , playing in the arms of the angels ,i wonder why i never see one about kids ,sure i see starving kids in africa ,but in the u.s ? nothing.
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steelwillow
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OS may be right in part in his reply back to you, but most of the countries you mention would never denounce maltreatment of female children in any formal sense -- or even address it with any sense of purpose.  From that point of view, kudos to you for stating it like it is. 

vfmin08 wrote:
I wonder about accuracy in reporting statistics.  

EDIT:  Also, I think it is unfair to compare the United States to Italy or Canada in this regard, as our population is many times that of either country.  What is our child abuse rate compared to a country like India, China, Pakistan?  That would be a more fair comparison, but then you have to wonder about the accuracy of the numbers REPORTED in a lot of countries.  

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Jalus
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Registered: 06-01-2008
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 The America news media turns a blind eye to child abuse deaths  while lavishing extensive coverage on deaths that occur less often.
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Despite children being murdered about every other day by the parents, the news media remains conspicuously silent about this epidemic of child abuse deaths.
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Sometimes a problem can be so horrendous that we decide it's easier to live in denial than to tackle it head on.

Let's face it ~ nobody likes talking about child abuse/deaths. Until this devastating cycle is broken, we will continue on this downward spiral; not for a day or a month, but for yet another generation. This can be changed by raising national awareness and educating the general public.
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ALL children murdered by their caregivers and parents  deserve national media attention.


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vfmin08
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Registered: 11-03-2008
I can agree with that.  The media picks and chooses which cases they will cover with ratings in mind, although they couldn't possibly cover them all.  What is MOST important though is beefing up DSS to prevent this from happening if at all possible so that these children wouldn't have to be news stories.  Obviously something is lacking there.  

Jalus wrote:
childcrying.gif
 The America news media turns a blind eye 
to child abuse deaths 
while lavishing extensive coverage
on deaths that occur less often.
Despite children being murdered
about every other day by the parents,
the news media remains conspicuously silent 
about this epidemic of child abuse deaths.
Sometimes a problem can be so horrendous 
that we decide it's easier to live in denial
than to tackle it head on.

Let's face it ~
nobody likes talking about 
child abuse/deaths.
Until this devastating cycle is broken,
we will continue on this downward spiral;
not for a day or a month,
but for another generation.
This can be changed by
raising national awareness
and educating the general public.
ALL children murdered by their 
caregivers and parents 
deserve national media attention.




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shadowstuff
Posts: 4,418
Registered: 03-02-2008

Jalus wrote:
childcrying.gif
 The America news media turns a blind eye to child abuse deaths 
while lavishing extensive coverage on deaths that occur less often.
Despite children being murdered about every other day by the parents,
the news media remains conspicuously silent about this epidemic of child abuse deaths.
Sometimes a problem can be so horrendous that we decide it's easier to live in denial than to tackle it head on.

Let's face it ~ nobody likes talking about child abuse/deaths.
Until this devastating cycle is broken, we will continue on this downward spiral; not for a day or a month, but for yet another generation. This can be changed by raising national awareness and educating the general public.
ALL children murdered by their caregivers and parents  deserve national media attention.


another part of the problem is in abuse cases that don't result in death , these kids are growing up with a horrible view of the world around them ,the real world that the majority of adults know nothing about . sure abuse happens ,to somebody else or somebody elses kid . don't really like talking about it much less seeing it  on the news . people do not like having their own little safe place exposed for what it is,the world is a dangerous place and children are dying .survivors are treated as damaged goods . we all need to look out for all the children ,not just ours . the children are the future and if you look up the total stats on all types of child abuse .it would be a hundred times as widespread as the worst disease.if the kids know nothing but abuse how many will continue the circle ? how much adult crime can be traced back to childhood abuse? it affects everyone in some way or other.
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Jalus
Posts: 431
Registered: 06-01-2008
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 American adults have countless organizations
to protect their rights and special interests.
Children on the other hand, do not.

They are suffering and dying today
because it's easier for us to deny this problem
than to solve it.

Denial is easy on adults,
but it is life-taking on children.

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