Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
[ Edited ]11-30-2011 11:16 AM - last edited on 11-30-2011 11:17 AM
WXYZ - Beverly Garvin, a former Detroit Public School Teacher-of-the-Year, now finds herself in the unemployment line.
She says it all started when she heard one of her nine-year-old students crying several years ago. The little girl told her that she was forced to perform sex acts on two boys during lunchtime.
Garvin says she alerted the principal; but when the student returned to class, the teacher was told nothing was going to be done with the situation.
Garvin did what she is required to do by law and reported the incident to authorities.
She says she was then punished for insubordination.
Garvin says, "I got severely punished. I went from, well, you know, living in Grosse Pointe, doing well for myself and then shacking with my mother, living in her condo. "
Her attorney, Tom Pabst, tells 7 Action News Garvin did what the people at Penn State should have done when they allegedly learned about the possible sexual abuse of children.
"She blew the whistle, and she paid the ultimate price," said Pabst.
She may have lost a lot, but Garvin says she knows she did the right thing by standing up for a child.
Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/teacher#ixzz1fCnna7KM
The public school tried to cover up the crimes!
Will the Principal of the school be fired?
"Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake . . ."
--George Washington's Farewell Address
--George Washington's Farewell Address
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
[ Edited ]11-30-2011 11:24 AM - last edited on 11-30-2011 11:24 AM
She shouldn't be suing the school district which the taxpayer will ultimately pay for. She should be suing the higher ups PERSONALLY. When will we start doing this. They should be held PERSONALLY responsible for there actions.
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
11-30-2011 11:38 AM
One would think with al the publicity over these stories things would change ,but without fail when it comes to csa involving authority figures the reputation of the institution always comes before the survivors or justice ,problem is this allows the molester to know he is safe to keep on molesting . i think the teacher should sue anyone she can .but is the child lost somewhere in this story? the teacher did the right thing .the survivor did the right thing ,who didn't do the right thing? sometimes i think vigilante justice is the only real justice in these cases.
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
[ Edited ]11-30-2011 11:42 AM - last edited on 11-30-2011 06:47 PM
BBOY wrote:
She shouldn't be suing the school district which the taxpayer will ultimately pay for. She should be suing the higher ups PERSONALLY. When will we start doing this. They should be held PERSONALLY responsible for there actions.
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She shouldn't be suing the school district which the taxpayer will ultimately pay for. She should be suing the higher ups PERSONALLY. When will we start doing this. They should be held PERSONALLY responsible for there actions.
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Legal Doctrine:
Respondeat superior:
"Let the master answer"
Do you think the Principal owns $750,000 in assets?
The Teacher would end up getting almost nothing for the injustice and loss she suffered from losing her job because she did the right thing.
The damages also serve a purpose in deterring future retaliatory discharges like this one.
"Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake . . ."
--George Washington's Farewell Address
--George Washington's Farewell Address
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
11-30-2011 12:28 PM
It's incidents, such as this, that leads me to believe, that the Dept. of Education, needs to go. When kids are being held back, because they have to wait on some-one to learn the English language, before they can advance, Columbine shooting, as well as countless other incidents, involving children with weapons, drugs that are being introduced, as well as the initiatives, to get more money out of the tax-payer's pocket.....If that is not enough to convince folks, that it's time to either home school, your children, or place them in a private school, I don't know what is ?
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
11-30-2011 12:42 PM
This is the kind of story that turns your stomach. The prinicpal should go to jail and be forced to perform, well ya know. We have complaints about "over policing" in schools. What a sad state of affairs.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nypd-statistics-show-student-a-day-arrested-public-schools-93-black-hispanic-article-1.983739
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nypd-statistics-show-student-a-day-arrested-public-schools-93-black-hispanic-article-1.983739
The New York Civil Liberties Union said the statistics are “troubling” and confirm its suspicions about “over-policing.”
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
11-30-2011 12:48 PM
They don't need to go... they need more money
u-decide wrote:
It's incidents, such as this, that leads me to believe, that the Dept. of Education, needs to go. When kids are being held back, because they have to wait on some-one to learn the English language, before they can advance, Columbine shooting, as well as countless other incidents, involving children with weapons, drugs that are being introduced, as well as the initiatives, to get more money out of the tax-payer's pocket.....If that is not enough to convince folks, that it's time to either home school, your children, or place them in a private school, I don't know what is ?
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
11-30-2011 12:52 PM
and more and more and more with little to show for it.
justsilly wrote:
They don't need to go... they need more money
u-decide wrote:
It's incidents, such as this, that leads me to believe, that the Dept. of Education, needs to go. When kids are being held back, because they have to wait on some-one to learn the English language, before they can advance, Columbine shooting, as well as countless other incidents, involving children with weapons, drugs that are being introduced, as well as the initiatives, to get more money out of the tax-payer's pocket.....If that is not enough to convince folks, that it's time to either home school, your children, or place them in a private school, I don't know what is ?
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
11-30-2011 03:25 PM
How the HECK does a union teacher find herself on the unemployment line?
this is one time where her union should have stood up for her.
there's something more here because this doesn't make sense.
All unions differ. Teachers are fired for boozing, morality issues etc. Had a teacher here fired for bringing beer in a cooler and keeping it in her office. Now the UAW, you can pretty much do what you want as long as you are NOT publicized. If it's in the papers or on tape, could be problems.
It wasn’t the taxpayers of the school district that fired the teacher; it was that no good principle and administration that fired her. They should be taken to task and forced to pay whatever can be taken from them. The taxpayers shouldn’t have to pay the penalty for the action of the idiot principle
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Yeah, but what if the Teacher sued the Principal and the Principal say only had $40-60,000 or $5,000 in the bank?
That wouldn't compensate her for all the years of losing money from teaching she missed as a result of being fired.
That would most likely be the result in many of these retaliatory discharge cases and if the School Districts were not held liable, no Teacher would stick their necks out for any of these school kids who are being abused because they would be terminated and would receive very little the way of compensation by suing the individual school officers / officials.
Thus, no action would rarely ever be taken by individual teachers and these crimes and the abuse wouldn't be reported to law enforcement.
Would you want these school kids to continue to suffer sexual abuse?
Because hardly any of their caretakers would report the crimes to law enforcement if they got fired from their jobs because they reported the abuse and there was hardly any chance they would be adequately compensated if they lost their jobs as a result.
In fact, in this case, the Teacher has been awarded $750,000 in damages but she hasn't received one penny yet; and the Detroit Public School District is appealing the award to the Michigan Court of Appeals, and it has been several years since she's been fired.
this is one time where her union should have stood up for her.
there's something more here because this doesn't make sense.
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
11-30-2011 03:46 PM
aren't there laws against firing somebody for reporting a crime ,whitsleblower laws or something?
dimsum2 wrote:
How the HECK does a union teacher find herself on the unemployment line?
this is one time where her union should have stood up for her.
there's something more here because this doesn't make sense.
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
11-30-2011 04:33 PM
It wasn’t the taxpayers of the school district that fired the teacher; it was that no good principle and administration that fired her. They should be taken to task and forced to pay whatever can be taken from them. The taxpayers shouldn’t have to pay the penalty for the action of the idiot principle.
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
11-30-2011 04:44 PM
shadowstuff wrote:
aren't there laws against firing somebody for reporting a crime ,whitsleblower laws or something?
dimsum2 wrote:
How the HECK does a union teacher find herself on the unemployment line?
this is one time where her union should have stood up for her.
there's something more here because this doesn't make sense.
Detroit schools operating under an EM. Union rules gutted. Story an example of WHY teachers support their Union. Sometimes admins are petty despots doing a CYA--and blame the teacher to protect themselves.
Think globally, act locally
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
11-30-2011 05:13 PM
cant think of a better example to explain the plight of some of the coaching staff at Penn State and why they didnt personally go to the police. Rather, they did what they were required to do, ie, report the incidents to the higher ups in the university and expect them to react properly. in addition, they would have placed themselves in a position to be sued should the verdicts in the cases of those indicted for the crimes be found not guilty.
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
11-30-2011 05:50 PM
dimsum2 wrote:
How the HECK does a union teacher find herself on the unemployment line?
this is one time where her union should have stood up for her.
there's something more here because this doesn't make sense.
All unions differ. Teachers are fired for boozing, morality issues etc. Had a teacher here fired for bringing beer in a cooler and keeping it in her office. Now the UAW, you can pretty much do what you want as long as you are NOT publicized. If it's in the papers or on tape, could be problems.
Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it.
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
[ Edited ]11-30-2011 06:43 PM - last edited on 11-30-2011 06:48 PM
It wasn’t the taxpayers of the school district that fired the teacher; it was that no good principle and administration that fired her. They should be taken to task and forced to pay whatever can be taken from them. The taxpayers shouldn’t have to pay the penalty for the action of the idiot principle
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Yeah, but what if the Teacher sued the Principal and the Principal say only had $40-60,000 or $5,000 in the bank?
That wouldn't compensate her for all the years of losing money from teaching she missed as a result of being fired.
That would most likely be the result in many of these retaliatory discharge cases and if the School Districts were not held liable, no Teacher would stick their necks out for any of these school kids who are being abused because they would be terminated and would receive very little the way of compensation by suing the individual school officers / officials.
Thus, no action would rarely ever be taken by individual teachers and these crimes and the abuse wouldn't be reported to law enforcement.
Would you want these school kids to continue to suffer sexual abuse?
Because hardly any of their caretakers would report the crimes to law enforcement if they got fired from their jobs because they reported the abuse and there was hardly any chance they would be adequately compensated if they lost their jobs as a result.
In fact, in this case, the Teacher has been awarded $750,000 in damages but she hasn't received one penny yet; and the Detroit Public School District is appealing the award to the Michigan Court of Appeals, and it has been several years since she's been fired.
"Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake . . ."
--George Washington's Farewell Address
--George Washington's Farewell Address
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
11-30-2011 11:10 PM
Detroit public schools are operating under an emergency manager. Union contract gutted. Isn't this what folks WANTED? If no, speak up. If yes, celebrate. Think ANY other teacher will "stick out their neck"? Why teachers HAD a Union. Petty despotic idiots in administration.
dimsum2 wrote:
How the HECK does a union teacher find herself on the unemployment line?
this is one time where her union should have stood up for her.
there's something more here because this doesn't make sense.
Think globally, act locally
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
[ New ]12-01-2011 08:07 AM
You have got to be joking right? DOE has NOTHING to do with this series of crimes.
u-decide wrote:
It's incidents, such as this, that leads me to believe, that the Dept. of Education, needs to go. When kids are being held back, because they have to wait on some-one to learn the English language, before they can advance, Columbine shooting, as well as countless other incidents, involving children with weapons, drugs that are being introduced, as well as the initiatives, to get more money out of the tax-payer's pocket.....If that is not enough to convince folks, that it's time to either home school, your children, or place them in a private school, I don't know what is ?
Re: Teacher Reports School Rape; Fired
[ New ]12-01-2011 09:32 AM
Are you kidding or making excuses for them? Doing what is required is OK in some instances, but watching a child raped is NOT one of those instances. They should have gone to the police. Any decent person would have.
mudslide wrote:
cant think of a better example to explain the plight of some of the coaching staff at Penn State and why they didnt personally go to the police. Rather, they did what they were required to do, ie, report the incidents to the higher ups in the university and expect them to react properly. in addition, they would have placed themselves in a position to be sued should the verdicts in the cases of those indicted for the crimes be found not guilty.
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