First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread

Sep 25, '16, 6:46 pm

gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic

First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread The Democratic nominee, who is 5-foot-4, has apparently enlisted the help of a raised podium for the first presidential debate against Donald Trump, who is 6-foot-3, Monday night, photos of the two podiums show. According to WABC’s Rita Cosby, one of the two podiums inside the debate hall at Hofstra University, in Hempstead, N.Y., is larger than the other. It is believed that the larger one was built at Clinton’s request to make her appear taller than she is. “Clinton is 5'4" and Trump 6'2" and her team wanted the podium modified or a box added so she won't look short next to Trump,” Cosby said in an email. Picture here: http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopo...m26n-4-web.jpg http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.2805846 I don't ever remember that happening before. Although I would think the larger one would be for Trump who would look to be the same proportion to the podium as Clinton to hers. In any case I think it is silly. You are who you are. __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology

#2   Sep 25, '16, 6:51 pm

7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,859 Religion: Catholic

Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Won't a raised podium still make her look short? It looks wider if anything. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139

#3   Sep 25, '16, 6:53 pm

7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,859 Religion: Catholic

Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Are HRC and Merkel around the same height? Maybe she can give Hillary some tips! __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139

#4   Sep 25, '16, 6:56 pm

DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦

Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows Won't a raised podium still make her look short? It looks wider if anything. Is she going to stand on a box? It would be a shame if all we could see over the podium were her eyes. __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/

#5   Sep 25, '16, 7:01 pm

Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,436 Religion: Catholic

Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report I guess the height difference is such that they won't look right on the tv /or computer screen. So they need to adjust. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.

#6   Sep 25, '16, 7:04 pm

7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,859 Religion: Catholic

Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY Is she going to stand on a box? It would be a shame if all we could see over the podium were her eyes. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139

#7   Sep 25, '16, 7:15 pm

gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic

Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by Mary Gail 36 I guess the height difference is such that they won't look right on the tv /or computer screen. So they need to adjust. Many podiums adjust for height. However I have never seen them custom made like this for a political debate. I believe this is a historic first and will be remembered. A little history: Lincoln was very slim and tall. Douglas was very short and chubby. They didn't use podiums at all in probably the most famous of all political debates. Most people think Douglas won or did very well in the debates. No one cared he was short. __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology

#8   Sep 25, '16, 7:44 pm

Irishmom2 Forum Master Prayer Warrior Join Date: March 22, 2009 Posts: 14,686 Religion: Catholic

Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report That is so petty and small of her. (No pun intended. ) She must be running scared to worry about how she will look that way. Who will help her up onto her soapbox? __________________ "Lord Jesus, in times of trial and temptation, be my strength and consolation. Teach me not to fear the darkness, but rather draw me to your light. For it can only be in darkness that you will become my light and in your light that I may bring the light of healing to all I meet." - George Maloney

#9   Sep 25, '16, 8:17 pm

TigerKitty Regular Member Join Date: December 29, 2007 Posts: 579 Religion: Catholic

Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report I think the larger podium is just going to look odd. It's all about camera angles, anyway. Even though I am supporting Trump in all this, I will say I think it's terrible that they are not allowing Hillary to have a stool to sit on for a few minute every now and then. Can't put it into words, but I find it a bit cruel not to provide this for her if she does need it. Give her a seat, and give Trump a seat to make things fair. What's the big deal? Neither has to sit if they don't want to - but it's there if need be. __________________ In the world, but not of it. mom to and married to

#10   Sep 25, '16, 8:56 pm

kat07 Regular Member Join Date: October 9, 2013 Posts: 607 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report I wonder if Hillary used a modified podium during the primaries while debating Bernie (who is 6 feet tall)?

#11   Sep 25, '16, 9:42 pm

7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,859 Religion: Catholic

Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by TigerKitty I think the larger podium is just going to look odd. It's all about camera angles, anyway. Even though I am supporting Trump in all this, I will say I think it's terrible that they are not allowing Hillary to have a stool to sit on for a few minute every now and then. Can't put it into words, but I find it a bit cruel not to provide this for her if she does need it. Give her a seat, and give Trump a seat to make things fair. What's the big deal? Neither has to sit if they don't want to - but it's there if need be. Probably because it is a debate. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139

#12   Sep 25, '16, 9:48 pm

ComplineSanFran Regular Member Join Date: June 17, 2015 Posts: 2,521 Religion: Anglican

Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows Are HRC and Merkel around the same height? Maybe she can give Hillary some tips! They seem to be about the same height, which is about 5'5 or 5'6.

#13   Sep 25, '16, 9:50 pm

7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,859 Religion: Catholic

Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by ComplineSanFran They seem to be about the same height, which is about 5'5 or 5'6. Like two peas in a pod! __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139

#14   Sep 25, '16, 10:21 pm

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Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by Irishmom2 That is so petty and small of her. (No pun intended. ) She must be running scared to worry about how she will look that way. Who will help her up onto her soapbox? I don't think it's petty at all, to want to go into a formal debate with an even visual impression. And scared? I doubt it. Prepared, more like it. Secretary Clinton, with all her excellent background and knowledge and experience, will be on stage with someone who is way in over his head. He cannot speak in complete sentences. It will be a very uneven debate, and not because of Mrs Clinton's height. From Mr Trump... Quote: you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right — who would have thought?), but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger July 21, 2015

#15   Sep 26, '16, 12:31 am

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Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Maybe Trump's smaller podium is to make his hands look bigger. __________________ "Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in." - Jesus Nooo!! I didn't mean it! Sep 26, '16, 1:36 am po18guy Forum Elder Join Date: April 18, 2007 Posts: 26,636 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report If I was, say, going to collapse and fall, I would want to do it from a lower height. __________________ I say what I have to say and move on. If you have a question, kindly send a private message. 3X cancer survivor: 1) Peripheral T-Cell Lymphoma Not Otherwise Specified, 2) Angioimmunoblastic T-Cell Lymphoma, and 3) Myelodysplastic Syndrome. How? Eucharist, Anointing, Prayer. Moderator www.cancerforums.net   #17   Sep 26, '16, 4:00 am Memaw Veteran Member Join Date: October 30, 2006 Posts: 9,607 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by TigerKitty I think the larger podium is just going to look odd. It's all about camera angles, anyway. Even though I am supporting Trump in all this, I will say I think it's terrible that they are not allowing Hillary to have a stool to sit on for a few minute every now and then. Can't put it into words, but I find it a bit cruel not to provide this for her if she does need it. Give her a seat, and give Trump a seat to make things fair. What's the big deal? Neither has to sit if they don't want to - but it's there if need be. If she needs it, maybe she shouldn't even be there !! God Bless, Memaw   #18   Sep 26, '16, 4:05 am Maximilan Kolbe Banned Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by TigerKitty I think the larger podium is just going to look odd. It's all about camera angles, anyway. Even though I am supporting Trump in all this, I will say I think it's terrible that they are not allowing Hillary to have a stool to sit on for a few minute every now and then. Can't put it into words, but I find it a bit cruel not to provide this for her if she does need it. Give her a seat, and give Trump a seat to make things fair. What's the big deal? Neither has to sit if they don't want to - but it's there if need be. Nonsense. The rules disallow it, IIRC. And you don't accede to someone's health concerns by giving their opponent the same opportunity because it may be of no benefit to their opponent. Reminds me of the controversy with Casey Martin, who sued to be able to use a golf cart on the PGA tour, due to his disability. He argued it presented to competitive advantage, and some proffered that it would be fair if others could use it to. Why is that fair? His competitors don't need it. He does. Might as well allow people with asthma to use oxygen tanks in the Olympic marathon too. If Donald or Hillary can't make it through a 90 minute debate without collapsing from exhaustion or a medical issue, they are not fit to handle the White House.   #19   Sep 26, '16, 4:17 am gardenswithkids Veteran Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: December 19, 2004 Posts: 9,485 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Are you sure the larger one is for Clinton and not for Trump? A smaller podium would look proportional to a smaller Clinton's stature, but a larger podium would make her seem even smaller. If the smaller one is for Trump, he will seem YUGE!!! in comparison to the podium. I think Clinton wants the smaller one so both of them have podiums that appear proportional to their size.   #20   Sep 26, '16, 4:45 am Usige Regular Member Join Date: August 17, 2007 Posts: 4,132 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by po18guy If I was, say, going to collapse and fall, I would want to do it from a lower height. I'll admit that I thought the same thing. Perhaps they will have some type of harness to bolt her to the podium or her soapbox will have quick inflate crash pads.   #21   Sep 26, '16, 4:52 am Irishmom2 Forum Master Prayer Warrior Join Date: March 22, 2009 Posts: 14,686 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by gardenswithkids Are you sure the larger one is for Clinton and not for Trump? A smaller podium would look proportional to a smaller Clinton's stature, but a larger podium would make her seem even smaller. If the smaller one is for Trump, he will seem YUGE!!! in comparison to the podium. I think Clinton wants the smaller one so both of them have podiums that appear proportional to their size. The photo I saw looked like there was a platform that might be moved behind hers to make her appear taller. More phoniness on her part. __________________ "Lord Jesus, in times of trial and temptation, be my strength and consolation. Teach me not to fear the darkness, but rather draw me to your light. For it can only be in darkness that you will become my light and in your light that I may bring the light of healing to all I meet." - George Maloney   #22   Sep 26, '16, 5:03 am ShrodingersCat Regular Member Join Date: May 10, 2016 Posts: 1,151 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam Many podiums adjust for height. However I have never seen them custom made like this for a political debate. I believe this is a historic first and will be remembered. A little history: Lincoln was very slim and tall. Douglas was very short and chubby. They didn't use podiums at all in probably the most famous of all political debates. Most people think Douglas won or did very well in the debates. No one cared he was short. Wasn't televised though. These things look weird on TV. I don't like Hillary but calling her out for this is silly. She is dramatically shorter. Being the first female candidate, there may not have been such a dramatic height difference before since debates started being televised (correct me if I am wrong). People wear makeup on TV to make their skin look healthy under the lights. Visual impression is hugely important for TV viewing. It's not dishonest, unless you think that being tall is a presidential quality   #23   Sep 26, '16, 5:08 am Allegra Veteran Member Join Date: July 11, 2011 Posts: 10,445 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Looking at the photo, the difference is barely noticeable.   #24   Sep 26, '16, 5:10 am Maximilan Kolbe Banned Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by ShrodingersCat Wasn't televised though. These things look weird on TV. I don't like Hillary but calling her out for this is silly. She is dramatically shorter. Being the first female candidate, there may not have been such a dramatic height difference before since debates started being televised (correct me if I am wrong). People wear makeup on TV to make their skin look healthy under the lights. Visual impression is hugely important for TV viewing. It's not dishonest, unless you think that being tall is a presidential quality If it wasn't important, why is she making it seem important? As long as they don't make exceptions to debate rules, it is fair. Ergo them disallowing her a stool to sit on. Having pneumonia for 6 months can be taxing.   #25   Sep 26, '16, 5:18 am DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by ShrodingersCat Wasn't televised though. Are we sure about that? Joe Biden thought FDR went on TV to talk about the stock market crash in 1929. __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #26   Sep 26, '16, 5:24 am Maximilan Kolbe Banned Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY Are we sure about that? Joe Biden thought FDR went on TV to talk about the stock market crash in 1929. Biden claimed to have watched the Gettysburg Address with 3-D glasses.   #27   Sep 26, '16, 6:11 am tweedlealice Regular Member Join Date: December 21, 2014 Posts: 964 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Hi, I think it was done before. I'm not sure if this is correct but it may have been Nixon. MAY GOD'S LOVE BE ON THE STAGE. in Christ's love Tweedlealice   #28   Sep 26, '16, 6:20 am gilliam Forum Elder Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by tweedlealice Hi, I think it was done before. I'm not sure if this is correct but it may have been Nixon. Tweedlealice Nixon shared a podium with Kennedy. They sat down when the other spoke. __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #29   Sep 26, '16, 6:21 am tweedlealice Regular Member Join Date: December 21, 2014 Posts: 964 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by Maximilan Kolbe Nonsense. The rules disallow it, IIRC. And you don't accede to someone's health concerns by giving their opponent the same opportunity because it may be of no benefit to their opponent. Reminds me of the controversy with Casey Martin, who sued to be able to use a golf cart on the PGA tour, due to his disability. He argued it presented to competitive advantage, and some proffered that it would be fair if others could use it to. Why is that fair? His competitors don't need it. He does. Might as well allow people with asthma to use oxygen tanks in the Olympic marathon too. If Donald or Hillary can't make it through a 90 minute debate without collapsing from exhaustion or a medical issue, they are not fit to handle the White House. Hi, It is a test of physiical and mental strength. No chairs. On the golf cart iseue, it should be all or none. Walking is exertional. Players would get their game off. If one can ride=all can ride. In. Christ's love Tweedlealice May God give them both inner strength w His grace.   #30   Sep 26, '16, 6:54 am Beryllos Senior Member Join Date: May 23, 2013 Posts: 7,040 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by gardenswithkids Are you sure the larger one is for Clinton and not for Trump? A smaller podium would look proportional to a smaller Clinton's stature, but a larger podium would make her seem even smaller. If the smaller one is for Trump, he will seem YUGE!!! in comparison to the podium. I think Clinton wants the smaller one so both of them have podiums that appear proportional to their size. Yes. Furthermore, the article doesn't really say this was ordered by Mrs. Clinton: Quote: It is believed that the larger one was built at Clinton’s request to make her appear taller than she is. Yeah, and whose belief — whose rash judgement — is that? It is quite plausible that it is the television producer's call. He/she just wants things to look well proportioned. It would look goofy if Mrs. Clinton stood at a large podium and Mr. Trump stood at a small one. Tabloid journalism. Sheesh!  Sep 26, '16, 6:57 am Memaw Veteran Member Join Date: October 30, 2006 Posts: 9,607 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by Beryllos Yes. Furthermore, the article doesn't really say this was ordered by Mrs. Cllinton: Yeah. Who believes that? It is quite plausible that this is the television producer's call. He/she just wants things to look well proportioned. It would look goofy if Mrs. Clinton stood at a large podium and Mr. Trump stood at a small one. Tabloid journalism. Sheesh! This whole thing is soooo silly. Anything to take our attention away from the REAL problems. We have worse things than this to worry about when it comes to Clinton!!! God Bless, Memaw   #32   Sep 26, '16, 7:46 am gardenswithkids Veteran Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: December 19, 2004 Posts: 9,485 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by Memaw This whole thing is soooo silly. Anything to take our attention away from the REAL problems. We have worse things than this to worry about when it comes to Clinton!!! God Bless, Memaw It's not silly--it's smoke and mirrors. Perception is the name of the game in politics, and those who are doing the filming are well aware of how to stage a show. Looking small in stature compared to Trump subconsciously could make her seem smaller in other ways too. Distance and proportion affects our perception of size. If a small person by a small podium is filmed standing close to the camera than a large person by a large podium, their sizes can't be accurately detected on film. Cameras can lie--remember the television industry makes small scale models of planes and starships, which look realistically large when filmed and shown on tv. Proportion, lighting and camera angles goes how we perceive images. Television relies on more than just what they are saying on the audio--it relies heavily on the visual. And in this televised debate, people who want Hillary to win and who know how to stage a performance care very much how big or small she looks. Hillary is around 5'4". Trump is 6'2 or 6'3". She's around the average height of a woman while he's tall for a man. If she stood in front of a podium that was the right size for him, she'd look sort of like a little kid looks when sitting in a big chair. Small.   #33   Sep 26, '16, 8:02 am meltzerboy Forum Elder Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by pnewton Maybe Trump's smaller podium is to make his hands look bigger. LOL Hillary should be glad she doesn't have to debate Mayor de Blasio of New York. He is 6' 6".   #34   Sep 26, '16, 8:33 am DaveBj Veteran Member Join Date: May 19, 2004 Posts: 10,651 Religion: Catholic, Tiber Swim Team Class of 2005 Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Fox has been showing shots of the debate stage. The two podiums appear to be identical from the viewpoint of the audience, but we can't see what is behind them (i.o.w., what the candidates will be standing on). __________________ Author of The Children of the Maker, Kindle Edition   #35   Sep 26, '16, 8:37 am Maximilan Kolbe Banned Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by DaveBj Fox has been showing shots of the debate stage. The two podiums appear to be identical from the viewpoint of the audience, but we can't see what is behind them (i.o.w., what the candidates will be standing on). A pile of lies and scandals should add 3 inches to Hillary, at least.   #36   Sep 26, '16, 8:41 am DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Ahead of debate, Trump endorsed by U.S. immigration officers Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump picked up the endorsement on Monday of the union representing 5,000 federal immigration officers, a boost of support for his immigration policy ahead of his first debate with Democrat Hillary Clinton. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/ahead-deba...100639011.html __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #37   Sep 26, '16, 9:08 am Hoosier Daddy Forum Master Join Date: August 13, 2013 Posts: 12,190 Religion: Still Catholic...... Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by ComplineSanFran They seem to be about the same height, which is about 5'5 or 5'6. Can't see thier feet. Hillary could be standing on a couple of stairs. Or bodies.... __________________ --- Better to be slapped with the Truth than kissed with a lie--------- Russian Proverb Hey, Visit my wife's site and buy yourself some spiffy T shirts! http://www.catholic-threads.com/   #38   Sep 26, '16, 9:20 am mary bobo Veteran Member Forum Supporter Join Date: May 19, 2005 Posts: 10,620 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by DaveBj Fox has been showing shots of the debate stage. The two podiums appear to be identical from the viewpoint of the audience, but we can't see what is behind them (i.o.w., what the candidates will be standing on). Wonder what that "block of wood" standing next to one of the podiums is all about? Fox has pointed it out several times. ] No matter. Most of know that Hillary is not six feet tall. That is along with the other stuff we know about her. __________________ Praying for all CAF intentions.   #39   Sep 26, '16, 9:21 am ComplineSanFran Regular Member Join Date: June 17, 2015 Posts: 2,521 Religion: Anglican Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by Hoosier Daddy Can't see thier feet. Hillary could be standing on a couple of stairs. Both women are reported to be approximately the same height - 5'5". And appearances would support that.   #40   Sep 26, '16, 9:28 am Hoosier Daddy Forum Master Join Date: August 13, 2013 Posts: 12,190 Religion: Still Catholic...... Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by ComplineSanFran Both women are reported to be approximately the same height - 5'5". And appearances would support that. Ah! So they are BOTH standing on stairs! It makes sense now! __________________ --- Better to be slapped with the Truth than kissed with a lie--------- Russian Proverb Hey, Visit my wife's site and buy yourself some spiffy T shirts! http://www.catholic-threads.com/   #41   Sep 26, '16, 10:37 am Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,814 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Ahead of debate, Trump endorsed by U.S. immigration officers Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump picked up the endorsement on Monday of the union representing 5,000 federal immigration officers, a boost of support for his immigration policy ahead of his first debate with Democrat Hillary Clinton. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/ahead-deba...100639011.html   #42   Sep 26, '16, 10:39 am Maximilan Kolbe Banned Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: Ahead of debate, Trump endorsed by U.S. immigration officers Hillary just countered by tweeting her endorsement from Mexico's Immigration Officer, so she's got that going for her.   #43   Sep 26, '16, 10:39 am sallybutler Regular Member Forum Supporter Join Date: July 3, 2011 Posts: 3,724 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report I just heard that Trump's podium is 8 inches taller, so he actually has the bigger podium. __________________ 'Those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless.' James 1:26   #44   Sep 26, '16, 10:41 am tomarin Senior Member Join Date: April 25, 2007 Posts: 7,539 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report What they should do is switch podiums after a brief 'halftime' just like soccer teams switch goals after their halftime. There, problem solved. __________________ If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand wither, let my tongue cleave to my palate if I do not remember you -- Psalm 137   #45   Sep 26, '16, 10:42 am Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,814 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Ahead of debate, Trump endorsed by U.S. immigration officers Quote: Originally Posted by Maximilan Kolbe Hillary just countered by tweeting her endorsement from Mexico's Immigration Officer, so she's got that going for her. Sep 26, '16, 10:49 am Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by sallybutler I just heard that Trump's podium is 8 inches taller, so he actually has the bigger podium. If Clinton and Trump both stay behind their podiums, they will probably look about the same height on TV. So I wouldn't expect Clinton to spend much time being seen standing next to Trump where the difference in their heights will be obvious. It's a known fact that overall, tall people are richer and more successful than short people, not because tall people are smarter or more qualified but just because many people often subconsciously favor taller people and have a bias against shorter people.   #47   Sep 26, '16, 10:59 am Usige Regular Member Join Date: August 17, 2007 Posts: 4,132 Religion: Catholic Re: Ahead of debate, Trump endorsed by U.S. immigration officers Quote: Originally Posted by Maximilan Kolbe Hillary just countered by tweeting her endorsement from Mexico's Immigration Officer, so she's got that going for her. You sure it's not Mexico's Emigration Officer? I didn't realize there were many trying to move to that country vs moving away.   #48   Sep 26, '16, 11:05 am DaveBj Veteran Member Join Date: May 19, 2004 Posts: 10,651 Religion: Catholic, Tiber Swim Team Class of 2005 Re: Ahead of debate, Trump endorsed by U.S. immigration officers Quote: Originally Posted by Usige You sure it's not Mexico's Emigration Officer? I didn't realize there were many trying to move to that country vs moving away. Beat me to it __________________ Author of The Children of the Maker, Kindle Edition   #49   Sep 26, '16, 11:42 am abucs Regular Member Join Date: August 28, 2007 Posts: 3,168 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by Maximilan Kolbe A pile of lies and scandals should add 3 inches to Hillary, at least. Pinocchio podiums would be interesting. They'd be brilliant for ratings.   #50   Sep 26, '16, 11:46 am Erich Regular Member Join Date: June 23, 2004 Posts: 3,902 Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY Is she going to stand on a box? It would be a shame if all we could see over the podium were her eyes. Reminds me of the "Hat of State" photos of Queen Elizabeth during her 1991 visit to the U.S. __________________ Protons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic!   #51   Sep 26, '16, 11:55 am Maximilan Kolbe Banned Join Date: August 27, 2015 Posts: 1,614 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by Erich Reminds me of the "Hat of State" photos of Queen Elizabeth during her 1991 visit to the U.S. Why did you post a picture of George HW Bush's first debate with the Hamburglar? #robblerobble   #52   Sep 26, '16, 11:59 am Neofight Banned Join Date: December 28, 2011 Posts: 4,197 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Ahead of debate, Trump endorsed by U.S. immigration officers Endorsed by a Union, and still denies being a Democrat? Hmmmm! Who is this Trump guy, really?   #53   Sep 26, '16, 12:00 pm gardenswithkids Veteran Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: December 19, 2004 Posts: 9,485 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by tomarin What they should do is switch podiums after a brief 'halftime' just like soccer teams switch goals after their halftime. There, problem solved. That would be funny.   #54   Sep 26, '16, 12:08 pm Sy Noe Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by ComplineSanFran I don't think it's petty at all, to want to go into a formal debate with an even visual impression. And scared? I doubt it. Prepared, more like it. Secretary Clinton, with all her excellent background and knowledge and experience, will be on stage with someone who is way in over his head. He cannot speak in complete sentences. It will be a very uneven debate, and not because of Mrs Clinton's height. From Mr Trump... July 21, 2015 __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #55   Sep 26, '16, 12:41 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by ComplineSanFran I don't think it's petty at all, to want to go into a formal debate with an even visual impression. And scared? I doubt it. Prepared, more like it. Secretary Clinton, with all her excellent background and knowledge and experience, will be on stage with someone who is way in over his head. He cannot speak in complete sentences. It will be a very uneven debate, and not because of Mrs Clinton's height. From Mr Trump... July 21, 2015 Quote: you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right — who would have thought?), but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger Can someone give me a translation of what Mr. Trump was talking about here?   #56   Sep 26, '16, 2:04 pm _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,524 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by ComplineSanFran I don't think it's petty at all, to want to go into a formal debate with an even visual impression. And scared? I doubt it. Prepared, more like it. Secretary Clinton, with all her excellent background and knowledge and experience, will be on stage with someone who is way in over his head. He cannot speak in complete sentences. It will be a very uneven debate, and not because of Mrs Clinton's height. From Mr Trump... July 21, 2015 Trump is not the same candidate now as in July 2015. Can you really imagine him making a statement like that now? Clearly, to many, many people being a policy wonk is not super important, because if it was, I don't see why Trump would be leading in the FiveThirtyEight percentage to becoming President right now. Hillary Clinton is a Washington insider. She has been in politics for decades, she will be well versed in who is the Prime Minister of XYZ or what XYZ means. People know where she stands. Trump is an outsider. That is a major part of his appeal.   #57   Sep 26, '16, 2:09 pm Thorolfr Regular Member Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread I just saw this in the news, Bloomberg to fact-check debate on-screen: Quote: Bloomberg will be the only TV network to display on-screen fact-checks of statements made by Republican nominee Donald Trump and Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton during the first presidential debate Monday, Politico reports. According to Politico, none of the major networks has publicly committed to on-screen fact-checking during the debate and will leave that to post-debate analysis. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...time-bloomberg It's too bad that all the networks won't be doing this....   #58   Sep 26, '16, 2:51 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,814 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows Won't a raised podium still make her look short? It looks wider if anything. I could say something but I won't......   #59   Sep 26, '16, 2:52 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,814 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by DeniseNY Is she going to stand on a box? It would be a shame if all we could see over the podium were her eyes. OMG!   #60   Sep 26, '16, 2:56 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,814 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by ComplineSanFran I don't think it's petty at all, to want to go into a formal debate with an even visual impression. And scared? I doubt it. Prepared, more like it. Secretary Clinton, with all her excellent background and knowledge and experience, will be on stage with someone who is way in over his head. He cannot speak in complete sentences. It will be a very uneven debate, and not because of Mrs Clinton's height. From Mr Trump... July 21, 2015 Not an eloquent speaker,for sure,Mr.Trump.However his message is truthful and powerful,just what the Dr. ordered Sep 26, '16, 3:05 pm Thorolfr Regular Member   Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S Not an eloquent speaker,for sure,Mr.Trump.However his message is truthful and powerful,just what the Dr. ordered But if what Mr. Trump said was truthful, his campaign would not be against moderators or the press fact checking what he says.   #62   Sep 26, '16, 3:08 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member   Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,814 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr But if what Mr. Trump said was truthful, his campaign would not be against moderators or the press fact checking what he says. Let's hope the media and the press is equally scrutinizing HC statements as well,.   #63   Sep 26, '16, 3:12 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr I just saw this in the news, Bloomberg to fact-check debate on-screen: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...time-bloomberg It's too bad that all the networks won't be doing this.... Why bother? Can't we just assume that virtually everything said by either candidate is either intentionally false, unintentionally incorrect, misleading, exaggerated, or only half true?   #64   Sep 26, '16, 3:15 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,859 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by Maximilan Kolbe Why did you post a picture of George HW Bush's first debate with the Hamburglar? #robblerobble __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #65   Sep 26, '16, 3:17 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member   Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,814 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Why bother? Can't we just assume that virtually everything said by either candidate is either intentionally false, unintentionally incorrect, misleading, exaggerated, or only half true? Oh,you cynic!   #66   Sep 26, '16, 3:20 pm ProVobis Forum Elder   Join Date: January 26, 2008 Posts: 43,218 Religion: Catholic Re: Ahead of debate, Trump endorsed by U.S. immigration officers Quote: Originally Posted by Neofight Endorsed by a Union, and still denies being a Democrat? Hmmmm! Who is this Trump guy, really? My thinking too. Have you heard his spending program?   #67   Sep 26, '16, 3:27 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: Ahead of debate, Trump endorsed by U.S. immigration officers Quote: Originally Posted by Neofight Endorsed by a Union, and still denies being a Democrat? Hmmmm! Who is this Trump guy, really? A conservative he is not, either fiscally or socially. I would say Trump is a hypocritical liberal, as described in the old Phil Ochs' song "Love me, I'm a liberal."   #68   Sep 26, '16, 3:35 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member   Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,814 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Ahead of debate, Trump endorsed by U.S. immigration officers Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy A conservative he is not, either fiscally or socially. I would say Trump is a hypocritical liberal, as described in the old Phil Ochs' song "Love me, I'm a liberal." Well,if that does in fact turn out to be the case,just shows how extremely off the rails left,HC really is.   #69   Sep 26, '16, 3:37 pm Dwyer Regular Member   Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic Re: Ahead of debate, Trump endorsed by U.S. immigration officers Quote: Originally Posted by Neofight Endorsed by a Union, and still denies being a Democrat? Hmmmm! Who is this Trump guy, really? Ronald Reagan was endorsed by the Teamsters Union in 1984. __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)   #70   Sep 26, '16, 3:40 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: Ahead of debate, Trump endorsed by U.S. immigration officers Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S Well,if that does in fact turn out to be the case,just shows how extremely off the rails left,HC really is. Trump is a New Yorker, and a Manhattanite to boot. Of course he is a liberal, but his own brand. If Hillary is off the rails as a leftist, then what is Bernie?!   #71   Sep 26, '16, 3:54 pm Ridgerunner Forum Elder   Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,713 Religion: Catholic Re: Ahead of debate, Trump endorsed by U.S. immigration officers Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Trump is a New Yorker, and a Manhattanite to boot. Of course he is a liberal, but his own brand. If Hillary is off the rails as a leftist, then what is Bernie?! Maybe in some ways Trump is a liberal, but having to calculate and control costs of things that will meet actual needs, and manage them in a way that keeps them on or under budget is an inherently conservative undertaking. That has been Trump's whole life.   #72   Sep 26, '16, 3:56 pm kat07 Regular Member   Join Date: October 9, 2013 Posts: 607 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Ahead of debate, Trump endorsed by U.S. immigration officers Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Trump is a New Yorker, and a Manhattanite to boot. Of course he is a liberal, but his own brand. If Hillary is off the rails as a leftist, then what is Bernie?! Bernie is the same thing - a socialist. Just one wears red and one wears pink. I'm a Bostonian, a Cambridge one to boot, once called the Communist Republic of Cambridge. Communist Headquarters. So, we know them when we see them.   #73   Sep 26, '16, 3:57 pm Ridgerunner Forum Elder   Join Date: September 10, 2006 Posts: 36,713 Religion: Catholic Re: Clinton's debate podium larger than Trump's: report Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr But if what Mr. Trump said was truthful, his campaign would not be against moderators or the press fact checking what he says. If the press was even remotely unbiased, one could say that. But the media is so thoroughly on Clinton's side in this contest, that it would be unrealistic to expect anything approaching fairness.   #74   Sep 26, '16, 4:01 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member   Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,814 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: Ahead of debate, Trump endorsed by U.S. immigration officers Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Trump is a New Yorker, and a Manhattanite to boot. Of course he is a liberal, but his own brand. If Hillary is off the rails as a leftist, then what is Bernie?! He is non establishment left extreme his own brand.Hillary is part of the political machine   #75   Sep 26, '16, 4:06 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,859 Religion: Catholic Re: Ahead of debate, Trump endorsed by U.S. immigration officers Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S He is non establishment left extreme his own brand.Hillary is part of the political machine __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139    Sep 26, '16, 4:06 pm Little Sheep Regular Member   Join Date: January 4, 2016 Posts: 1,766 Religion: Episcopalian Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread I'm pretty sure Trump will be declared the winner if he can somehow stop himself from referring to his junk tonight!   #77   Sep 26, '16, 4:48 pm _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior   Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,524 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread One of Donald Trump's guests in the audience is, "Benghazi survivor Mark Geist": http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/...ches-have.html   #78   Sep 26, '16, 5:52 pm edwest2 Forum Elder   Join Date: May 26, 2007 Posts: 26,856 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread I watched 15 seconds worth and stopped. Wait a minute... What? Oh. I watched 15 seconds of the introduction and stopped. Ed   #79   Sep 26, '16, 5:58 pm Irishmom2 Forum Master Prayer Warrior   Join Date: March 22, 2009 Posts: 14,686 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread We will be watching. Either my husband or I will be sitting with the remote in hand, ready to mute the sound whenever Hillary becomes too much to bear. Yeah, pretty much every time her lips are moving. __________________ "Lord Jesus, in times of trial and temptation, be my strength and consolation. Teach me not to fear the darkness, but rather draw me to your light. For it can only be in darkness that you will become my light and in your light that I may bring the light of healing to all I meet." - George Maloney   #80   Sep 26, '16, 6:04 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member   Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,814 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Irishmom2 We will be watching. Either my husband or I will be sitting with the remote in hand, ready to mute the sound whenever Hillary becomes too much to bear. Yeah, pretty much every time her lips are moving. I feel your pain!   #81   Sep 26, '16, 6:09 pm Irishmom2 Forum Master Prayer Warrior   Join Date: March 22, 2009 Posts: 14,686 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread __________________ "Lord Jesus, in times of trial and temptation, be my strength and consolation. Teach me not to fear the darkness, but rather draw me to your light. For it can only be in darkness that you will become my light and in your light that I may bring the light of healing to all I meet." - George Maloney   #82   Sep 26, '16, 6:34 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,860 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread hope Donald doesn't have a heart attack! he is getting pretty excited. he can't keep this up for 90 minutes! Hillary doesn't like the emails brought up. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #83   Sep 26, '16, 6:38 pm oldgraymare2 Regular Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: December 7, 2013 Posts: 4,637 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows hope Donald doesn't have a heart attack! he is getting pretty excited. he can't keep this up for 90 minutes! Hillary doesn't like the emails brought up. No. She's bringing up his tax records now. Ah, the mud-slinging. This is why I don't normally watch these debates. They tend to veer off of the debate questions/topics and don't stick to the topics, and just try and make each other look bad. __________________ John 1:29: "Behold, The Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world!"   #84   Sep 26, '16, 6:40 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,860 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by oldgraymare2 No. She's bringing up his tax records now. Ah, the mud-slinging. This is why I don't normally watch these debates. They tend to veer off of the debate questions/topics and don't stick to the topics, and just try and make each other look bad. yes. it is getting pretty nasty. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #85   Sep 26, '16, 6:45 pm Expatreprocedit Regular Member   Join Date: February 24, 2014 Posts: 1,166 Religion: Orthodox Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by oldgraymare2 No. She's bringing up his tax records now. Ah, the mud-slinging. This is why I don't normally watch these debates. They tend to veer off of the debate questions/topics and don't stick to the topics, and just try and make each other look bad. It's going badly for Trump. He is spending way too much time talking about his tax returns and business dealings. It's being cemented into people's heads that he is a billionaire. He should be countering by talking about the Clintons' wealth and the Clinton Foundation. But Hillary has lured him into talking about his business.   #86   Sep 26, '16, 6:46 pm oldgraymare2 Regular Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: December 7, 2013 Posts: 4,637 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows yes. it is getting pretty nasty. Yes, it is. I think that they should leave out the personal attacks--attacking the personas--and stick to the issues. __________________ John 1:29: "Behold, The Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world!"   #87   Sep 26, '16, 6:48 pm oldgraymare2 Regular Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: December 7, 2013 Posts: 4,637 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Expatreprocedit It's going badly for Trump. He is spending way too much time talking about his tax returns and business dealings. It's being cemented into people's heads that he is a billionaire. He should be countering by talking about the Clintons' wealth and the Clinton Foundation. But Hillary has lured him into talking about his business. You're right. You bring up a good point. __________________ John 1:29: "Behold, The Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world!"   #88   Sep 26, '16, 6:54 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member   Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,814 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread This entire debate is just awful so far .........   #89   Sep 26, '16, 6:59 pm oldgraymare2 Regular Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: December 7, 2013 Posts: 4,637 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S This entire debate is just awful so far ......... I agree. I don't feel like I'm learning anything new--that I didn't already know. I'm keeping it on in the background while I'm here on the forum. I have it streaming on another open window, so I'm multi-tasking. __________________ John 1:29: "Behold, The Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world!"   #90   Sep 26, '16, 7:03 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,860 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S This entire debate is just awful so far ......... not very civil. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139     Sep 26, '16, 7:04 pm Indigo Cardinal Junior Member   Join Date: October 28, 2013 Posts: 404 Religion: Pagan Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread I kinda get why Elvis shot up his TV sets. Unfortunately, unlike Elvis, I can't buy myself another four if I go and do that.   #92   Sep 26, '16, 7:06 pm oldgraymare2 Regular Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: December 7, 2013 Posts: 4,637 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Indigo Cardinal I kinda get why Elvis shot up his TV sets. Unfortunately, unlike Elvis, I can't buy myself another four if I go and do that. LOL!! __________________ John 1:29: "Behold, The Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world!"   #93   Sep 26, '16, 7:09 pm Irishmom2 Forum Master Prayer Warrior   Join Date: March 22, 2009 Posts: 14,686 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Anyone else notice how Trump keeps referring to Clinton as Secretary Clinton, but she keeps saying Donald? It sounds like she is trying to talk down to him. __________________ "Lord Jesus, in times of trial and temptation, be my strength and consolation. Teach me not to fear the darkness, but rather draw me to your light. For it can only be in darkness that you will become my light and in your light that I may bring the light of healing to all I meet." - George Maloney   #94   Sep 26, '16, 7:10 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member   Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,814 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows not very civil. She is very rote and predictable and Donald ,is just not prepared and very nervous.Missing so many opportunities o call Hillary out .Sigh........... Very disappointing,IMO   #95   Sep 26, '16, 7:16 pm edwest2 Forum Elder   Join Date: May 26, 2007 Posts: 26,856 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread I never liked reality shows. Ed   #96   Sep 26, '16, 7:21 pm zab Regular Member   Join Date: February 17, 2008 Posts: 5,729 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Is this the first time ever having two blondes running for President?   #97   Sep 26, '16, 7:23 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member   Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,814 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by edwest2 i never liked reality shows. Ed 😜   #98   Sep 26, '16, 7:25 pm oldgraymare2 Regular Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: December 7, 2013 Posts: 4,637 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Ohhhh myyyy, I cannot believe the comments that I am hearing! __________________ John 1:29: "Behold, The Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world!"   #99   Sep 26, '16, 7:30 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,860 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S She is very rote and predictable and Donald ,is just not prepared and very nervous.Missing so many opportunities o call Hillary out .Sigh........... Very disappointing,IMO he is making some good comebacks, but he needs to learn to calm down. hillary just gets on my nerves. very high and mighty. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #100   Sep 26, '16, 7:33 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member   Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,814 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows he is making some good comebacks, but he needs to learn to calm down. hillary just gets on my nerves. very high and mighty. Agree.He has had a few good moments but overall HC has been condescending and arrogant.He has been too nervous and all over the place with his delivery .Good Grief!!   #101   Sep 26, '16, 7:34 pm PTL Regular Member   Join Date: March 3, 2010 Posts: 964 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Irishmom2 We will be watching. Either my husband or I will be sitting with the remote in hand, ready to mute the sound whenever Hillary becomes too much to bear. Yeah, pretty much every time her lips are moving. I did not watch at all. Why should I torture myself? It is just prudent to guard our eyes and our ears.   #102   Sep 26, '16, 7:35 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,860 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S Agree.He has had a few good moments but overall HC has been condescending and arrogant.He has been too nervous and all over the place with his delivery .Good Grief!! yes. he has been all over the place. she is very condescending! __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #103   Sep 26, '16, 7:38 pm Jeanne S Veteran Member   Join Date: January 14, 2012 Posts: 10,814 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by PTL I did not watch at all. Why should I torture myself? It is just prudent to guard our eyes and our ears. I may take your advice re the remaining two debates!   #104   Sep 26, '16, 7:38 pm DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Not a good performance by Trump at all. He's all over the place and has allowed HRC to push his buttons and get him to run off on rambling tangents. Not a good showing. __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #105   Sep 26, '16, 7:43 pm Irishmom2 Forum Master Prayer Warrior   Join Date: March 22, 2009 Posts: 14,686 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread According to the look on her face though, he got in some good zingers. She did not look happy. __________________ "Lord Jesus, in times of trial and temptation, be my strength and consolation. Teach me not to fear the darkness, but rather draw me to your light. For it can only be in darkness that you will become my light and in your light that I may bring the light of healing to all I meet." - George Maloney       Sep 26, '16, 7:44 pm kat07 Regular Member   Join Date: October 9, 2013 Posts: 607 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Trump was so unprepared, and he missed so many opportunities from hitting Hillary on her private server re: cyber security, to the Iran nuke deal/her selling 20% of our uranium,and then re: Trump stiffing people he failed to hit her back with her stealing millions from everyone all over the world (Haiti, etc.). Trump spent way too much time defending himself because he's egotistical, he should have hit Hillary more, so that she was the one on the defense. He didn't come across as Presidential IMO, especially with his facial expressions, his interruptions and some of his comments. Trump's team really needs to sit him down and work with him for these debates, but my guess is that Trump is going to do what he wants. Hillary talks well about the issues, but I didn't hear much about her plans and solutions. Poor performance by Trump.   #107   Sep 26, '16, 7:48 pm oldgraymare2 Regular Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: December 7, 2013 Posts: 4,637 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Irishmom2 According to the look on her face though, he got in some good zingers. She did not look happy. He did, though. I think that you had to listen carefully to what he said, because it seemed like he was slipping those jabs in in a subtle kind of way. __________________ John 1:29: "Behold, The Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world!"   #108   Sep 26, '16, 7:51 pm Mulligan2 Regular Member   Join Date: December 31, 2012 Posts: 1,355 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Not a perfect performance by Clinton, but a very strong one. And a woefully unprepared performance by Trump.   #109   Sep 26, '16, 8:00 pm edwest2 Forum Elder   Join Date: May 26, 2007 Posts: 26,856 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S I may take your advice re the remaining two debates! Two more????!! Ed They'll have to bring in the 55 gallon mud drums to those.   #110   Sep 26, '16, 8:03 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,861 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by kat07 Trump was so unprepared, and he missed so many opportunities from hitting Hillary on her private server re: cyber security, to the Iran nuke deal/her selling 20% of our uranium,and then re: Trump stiffing people he failed to hit her back with her stealing millions from everyone all over the world (Haiti, etc.). Trump spent way too much time defending himself because he's egotistical, he should have hit Hillary more, so that she was the one on the defense. He didn't come across as Presidential IMO, especially with his facial expressions, his interruptions and some of his comments. Trump's team really needs to sit him down and work with him for these debates, but my guess is that Trump is going to do what he wants. Hillary talks well about the issues, but I didn't hear much about her plans and solutions. Poor performance by Trump. I am not sure he was unprepared, but he flustered too easily. She is a pro at these so she had the upperhand. I was hoping Trump would appear more confident. He did get in some good zingers. I think he did good for it being his first big debate. He needs to appear more thoughtful and presidential. He interrupts too much. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #111   Sep 26, '16, 8:05 pm LeafByNiggle Veteran Member   Join Date: December 5, 2010 Posts: 10,594 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread I think the big loser in this debate was Lester Holt. The debate might as well have been unmoderated. But maybe those were the rules Lester had to abide by. No calling out anyone who fails to answer the questions.   #112   Sep 26, '16, 8:07 pm Lea101 Regular Member   Join Date: January 6, 2016 Posts: 1,574 Religion: ? Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread I feel sorry for America. Both of them are terrible, and the country is going to be a mess either way. Not a jab, I actually feel sad   #113   Sep 26, '16, 8:09 pm Thorolfr Regular Member   Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread I thought that this was a very revealing exchange: Clinton: "Donald was one of the people who rooted for the housing crisis." Trump: "That's called business buddy." As someone commented in the Washington Post: "Coming to an ad near you"   #114   Sep 26, '16, 8:10 pm Vouthon Senior Member   Join Date: November 1, 2010 Posts: 7,140 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Trump was all-over-the-place. By British standards, he'd be judged an absolute flop. He seemed like a frenzied man-child, whereas she came across as the adult in the room. There were no health "hiccups", she clearly proved her stamina. She had well-rehearsed jokes, levity and rattled him. He interrupted her some 26 times in the opening moments, he raised his voice and intimated that he had rough things to say about her family that he was keeping under wraps. Clinton by contrast was poised, calm and clearly got under his skin. BADLY. He should not have went for her with the vigor that he did - it gave Clinton the chance to have that "moment" - let's call it - when she interacted with the audience and laughed at the sheer fury of his tirade against her. I think that was the key moment of the debate that will be remembered. She didn't even have to say anything - Trump gifted her with a major win. Clinton won hands-down. She accepted responsibility for her email crisis, like a "grown-up" and that simply ended the issue. It should have been a weak spot for her in the debate - instead it fell flat and the buck fell to Trump to explain the "birther" topic. Not good for Trump. The debate from then on became fixated upon Trump's tax returns and evasion of federal tax. He handled that dreadfully, precisely due to the fact that he did not deflect it with HUMILITY like she did. His pride could not permit it and as the saying goes "pride goeth before a fall". __________________ With insight into the futility of narrow nationalistic politics, the countries of Europe which have agreed to delegate sovereignty to a supranational organism have embarked on a salutary way - Pope Pius XII (1957)   #115   Sep 26, '16, 8:12 pm Thorolfr Regular Member   Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by LeafByNiggle I think the big loser in this debate was Lester Holt. The debate might as well have been unmoderated. But maybe those were the rules Lester had to abide by. No calling out anyone who fails to answer the questions. Holt actually did call Trump out over his claim that there is any evidence that he was against the Iraq War before it started.   #116   Sep 26, '16, 8:19 pm gilliam Forum Elder   Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Here's my take on the debate Trump's goal was to seem reasonable and stay out of the gutter. I think he did that Hillary's two goals were to show that Trump was not to be trusted with the keys of the nation and show she had the stamina to be president. I don't know if she accomplished that first goal, but I think she accomplished the second. Trump definitely communicated that Clinton was for status quo; and Hillary seemed to embrace that. Will this change the numbers? Maybe __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #117   Sep 26, '16, 8:19 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,861 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by LeafByNiggle I think the big loser in this debate was Lester Holt. The debate might as well have been unmoderated. But maybe those were the rules Lester had to abide by. No calling out anyone who fails to answer the questions. I didn't think Lester did a good job either and it seemed whenever Trump was making an uncomfortable point about Hillary, Holt would try to interrupt. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #118   Sep 26, '16, 8:19 pm oldgraymare2 Regular Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: December 7, 2013 Posts: 4,637 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Vouthon OMG Trump was all-over-the-place. By British standards, he'd be judged an absolute flop. He seemed like a frenzied man-child, whereas she came across as the adult in the room. There were no health "hiccups", she clearly proved her stamina. She had well-rehearsed jokes, levity and rattled him. He interrupted her some 26 times in the opening moments, he raised his voice and intimated that he had rough things to say about her family that he was keeping under wraps. Clinton by contrast was poised, calm and clearly got under his skin. BADLY. He should not have went for her with the vigor that he did - it gave Clinton the chance to have that "moment" - let's call it - when she interacted with the audience and laughed at the sheer fury of his tirade against her. I think that was the key moment of the debate that will be remembered. She didn't even have to say anything - Trump gifted her with a major win. Clinton won hands-down. She accepted responsibility for her email crisis, like a "grown-up" and that simply ended the issue. The debate from then on became fixated upon Trump's tax returns and evasion of federal tax. He handled that dreadfully, precisely due to the fact that he did not deflect it with HUMILITY like she did. His pride could not permit it and as the saying goes"pride goeth before a fall". Hi Vouthon, I understand what you're saying, regarding who won the debate. Looking at it as a resident of this country, I don't think anyone won. What I mean by that is, the questions that both candidates were asked were things that we already know, if we've been keeping up with the news. I would like to hear about something that maybe we don't hear about all that often, or maybe even a new or different topic. I personally don't think that it's all that helpful to just keep rehashing the same topics over again. Anyway, that's my opinion of what I think. I don't really know that I feel up to watching any further debates. I don't usually watch them for this very reason--you don't really learn anything new from them, and it's just usually a lot of personal "mud-slinging" between the candidates. __________________ John 1:29: "Behold, The Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world!"   #119   Sep 26, '16, 8:20 pm LeafByNiggle Veteran Member   Join Date: December 5, 2010 Posts: 10,594 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread The transcript of the entire debate, along with interspersed fact-checking, can be read here.   #120   Sep 26, '16, 8:20 pm PTL Regular Member   Join Date: March 3, 2010 Posts: 964 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Jeanne S I may take your advice re the remaining two debates! I have already made up my mind. No matter how the candidate I support performs in debate, I will still vote for that person. No matter how cunning or mighty the other candidate performs, I will still not vote for that person. Therefore, it is needless for me to watch. I just hope and pray Americans will know the dire consequence if they cast the wrong vote. If they cast the wrong vote, America will be no more, finished,period. The consequence is deadly serious. We are voting for policies and morals, not for eloquence and performance. We cannot vote for a liar, a baby killer, a gay sex promoter, a transgender promoter, and a person repeatedly affirms that religious belief must be changed. If that candidate gets elected. the Church will be persecuted. We may not have a church to go. It means Catholic lights out. Sep 26, '16, 8:21 pm gilliam Forum Elder   Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by LeafByNiggle The transcript of the entire debate, along with interspersed fact-checking, can be read here. "fact checking" is the 2016 word for political commentary. I'll pass __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #122   Sep 26, '16, 8:22 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,861 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by oldgraymare2 Hi Vouthon, I understand what you're saying, regarding who won the debate. Looking at it as a resident of this country, I don't think anyone won. What I mean by that is, the questions that both candidates were asked were things that we already know, if we've been keeping up with the news. I would like to hear about something that maybe we don't hear about all that often, or maybe even a new or different topic. I personally don't think that it's all that helpful to just keep rehashing the same topics over again. Anyway, that's my opinion of what I think. I don't really know that I feel up to watching any further debates. I don't usually watch them for this very reason--you don't really learn anything new from them, and it's just usually a lot of personal "mud-slinging" between the candidates. I agree. also, just because someone is a good debater doesn't necessarily mean they have the qualities to be a good president. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #123   Sep 26, '16, 8:23 pm Vouthon Senior Member   Join Date: November 1, 2010 Posts: 7,140 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam Here's my take on the debate Trump's goal was to seem reasonable and stay out of the gutter. I think he did that Hillary's two goals were to show that Trump was not to be trusted with the keys of the nation and show she had the stamina to be president. I don't know if she accomplished that first goal, but I think she accomplished the second. Trump definitely communicated that Clinton was for status quo; and Hillary seemed to embrace that. Will this change the numbers? Maybe The simple truth is that Clinton appeared presidential by comparison with Trump's dismal performance tonight. He came across as very temperamental, she came across as super controlled. The last section of the debate was handled particularly poorly by him. __________________ With insight into the futility of narrow nationalistic politics, the countries of Europe which have agreed to delegate sovereignty to a supranational organism have embarked on a salutary way - Pope Pius XII (1957)   #124   Sep 26, '16, 8:23 pm Seamus L Senior Member   Join Date: November 22, 2007 Posts: 8,091 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread The only thing Trump said that I found disturbing, was that he'd support Hillary if she won. Other than that I thought he did OK. He was the angrier of the two, and he won the Republican primaries by being the angriest candidate.   #125   Sep 26, '16, 8:29 pm gilliam Forum Elder   Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Vouthon The simple truth is that Clinton appeared presidential by comparison with Trump's dismal performance tonight. He came across as very temperamental, she came across as super controlled. Or a typical conniving politician; depending on your political persuasion. I kept getting flash backs of Jeb Bush and Richard Nixon during their debate performances (but that may just be me.) I'm not sure how it will play over the next week. Will need to watch the numbers. Quote: The last section of the debate was handled particularly poorly by him. Trump is not a good debater. He missed a lot of openings and he really should have practiced more. I think the moderator lost control of the debate half way through and the audience towards the end. __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #126   Sep 26, '16, 8:29 pm Vouthon Senior Member   Join Date: November 1, 2010 Posts: 7,140 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows I agree. also, just because someone is a good debater doesn't necessarily mean they have the qualities to be a good president. If a person cannot remain steady and coherent during a debate, how he is going to handle the immense stresses of high office? Trump seemed entirely rattled and jaded by the end of this 90 minute verbal tussle with Clinton. She was totally unruffled at the end. And yet everyone has been banging on about her health. She completely tossed that issue aside and proved her stamina, whereas Trump crumpled under the pressure. I only say it as I saw it. Had Trump been on form, I'd have conceded it. But he looked utterly out of his depth at the end. Not good for his portfolio with regards the job. Trump said before that he hates losers. Well...... __________________ With insight into the futility of narrow nationalistic politics, the countries of Europe which have agreed to delegate sovereignty to a supranational organism have embarked on a salutary way - Pope Pius XII (1957)   #127   Sep 26, '16, 8:32 pm Vouthon Senior Member   Join Date: November 1, 2010 Posts: 7,140 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam Or a typical conniving politician; depending on your political persuasion. I kept getting flash backs of Jeb Bush and Richard Nixon during their debate performances (but that may just be me.) I'm not sure how it will play over the next week. Will need to watch the numbers. Trump is not a good debater. He missed a lot of openings and he really should have practiced more. I think the moderator lost control of the debate half way through and the audience towards the end. Yeah, the moderator was not keeping a good check at all on that audience. I heard booing, cussing and whooping. __________________ With insight into the futility of narrow nationalistic politics, the countries of Europe which have agreed to delegate sovereignty to a supranational organism have embarked on a salutary way - Pope Pius XII (1957)   #128   Sep 26, '16, 8:32 pm Thorolfr Regular Member   Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Another exchange: Clinton: “Donald thinks climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese. I think it’s real.” Trump denies it. A tweet from Donald Trump: Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive. 11:15 AM - 6 Nov 2012   #129   Sep 26, '16, 8:34 pm gilliam Forum Elder   Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Vouthon Yeah, the moderator was not keeping a good check at all on that audience. I heard booing, cussing and whooping. With no breaks, he is in a hard position. If he stood up and talked to the audience he would have interrupted the debate himself. __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #130   Sep 26, '16, 8:35 pm Vouthon Senior Member   Join Date: November 1, 2010 Posts: 7,140 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam With no breaks, he is in a hard position. If he stood up and talked to the audience he would have interrupted the debate himself. Good point! __________________ With insight into the futility of narrow nationalistic politics, the countries of Europe which have agreed to delegate sovereignty to a supranational organism have embarked on a salutary way - Pope Pius XII (1957)   #131   Sep 26, '16, 8:37 pm kat07 Regular Member   Join Date: October 9, 2013 Posts: 607 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows I am not sure he was unprepared, but he flustered too easily. She is a pro at these so she had the upperhand. I was hoping Trump would appear more confident. He did get in some good zingers. I think he did good for it being his first big debate. He needs to appear more thoughtful and presidential. He interrupts too much. That's true. He does interrupt too much and it looks rude. He did also get some good points in. He needs to improve because Hillary is well trained.   #132   Sep 26, '16, 8:38 pm oldgraymare2 Regular Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: December 7, 2013 Posts: 4,637 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Vouthon If a person cannot remain steady and coherent during a debate, how he is going to handle the immense stresses of high office? Trump seemed entirely rattled and jaded by the end of this 90 minute verbal tussle with Clinton. She was totally unruffled at the end. And yet everyone has been banging on about her health. She completely tossed that issue aside and proved her stamina, whereas Trump crumpled under the pressure. I only say it as I saw it. Had Trump been on form, I'd have conceded it. But he looked utterly out of his depth at the end. Not good for his portfolio with regards the job. Trump said before that he hates losers. Well...... I personally would not put too much weight on voting for a candidate based on how they performed in a debate. For me, it would not have any deciding factor. A debate barely gives them enough time to cover the basics in any topic that they're asked to discuss. They're only given two minutes to talk on a topic. That's hardly any time to touch the surface of the topic. __________________ John 1:29: "Behold, The Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world!"   #133   Sep 26, '16, 8:41 pm Vouthon Senior Member   Join Date: November 1, 2010 Posts: 7,140 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by oldgraymare2 I personally would not put too much weight on voting for a candidate based on how they performed in a debate. For me, it would not have any deciding factor. A debate barely gives them enough time to cover the basics in any topic that they're asked to discuss. They're only given two minutes to talk on a topic. That's hardly any time to touch the surface of the topic. The point is, his stamina was seriously flagging by the end - just from a 90 minute debate with a political opponent. It just does not look professional or dependable, from an exterior perspective it actually made Clinton look tough and him like a bit of a plastic bag really. __________________ With insight into the futility of narrow nationalistic politics, the countries of Europe which have agreed to delegate sovereignty to a supranational organism have embarked on a salutary way - Pope Pius XII (1957)   #134   Sep 26, '16, 8:45 pm Listener Regular Member   Join Date: June 5, 2004 Posts: 1,023 Religion: Cradle Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread It just drove me crazy the way Trump kept Interrupting Hillary at the beginning. I thought he was acting like a superior male who needed to put this insubordinate woman in her place. Do you people really want to put this scary guy in charge of our nuclear weapons?   #135   Sep 26, '16, 8:45 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Trump was good toward the beginning of the debate when he talked about trade and our bad trade deals, particularly NAFTA, which contributed to putting Americans out of work. He also pointed out Hillary's long tenure in government (as well as Obama's) and the notion she did not get much done during all this time. Other than that, and for the remainder of the debate, Trump's performance was not so good, to put it charitably. He was not well prepared on the topic of race relations and especially that of national defense. Further, his body language and grimaces were one of a fidgety and disgruntled individual. He looked tired and drank a lot of water. He also constantly interrupted Hillary. Hillary, on the other hand, looked fresh and did not drink any water at all. One might have expected the opposite, considering her health condition. (Could this have been her double? LOL) As to the content of her remarks, she was at her best when attacking Trump on his failure to report his taxes and his business dealings. The rest of her comments were typical generalities that all politicians offer. She appeared in command and in control of the debate, on the offensive, while Trump seemed more on the defensive. All in all, she gave a strong performance, whereas it was quite obvious Trump did not prepare adequately. Remember, however, that Obama's first debate against Romney was also bad, but he came back in the second debate. Time will tell.      Sep 26, '16, 8:46 pm Saints Alive Regular Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: September 10, 2012 Posts: 1,240 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by oldgraymare2 I personally would not put too much weight on voting for a candidate based on how they performed in a debate. For me, it would not have any deciding factor. A debate barely gives them enough time to cover the basics in any topic that they're asked to discuss. They're only given two minutes to talk on a topic. That's hardly any time to touch the surface of the topic. I agree. I learned nothing about either one of their plans to address a single issue. I doubt I'll watch the other debates. __________________ Go Cubs !   #137   Sep 26, '16, 8:49 pm Tomdstone Banned   Join Date: January 21, 2013 Posts: 11,614 Religion: other Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Vouthon Yeah, the moderator was not keeping a good check at all on that audience. I heard booing, cussing and whooping. i thought the moderator did fine and I thought that Trump won the debate. A Time magazine poll shows Trump won by a score of 58 to 42 with 423,774 Votes counted. http://time.com/4506217/presidential...-trump-survey/   #138   Sep 26, '16, 8:50 pm oldgraymare2 Regular Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: December 7, 2013 Posts: 4,637 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Vouthon The point is, his stamina was seriously flagging by the end - just from a 90 minute debate with a political opponent. It just does not look professional or dependable, from an exterior perspective it actually made Clinton look tough and him like a bit of a plastic bag really. I don't think that you can go by looks, and by what kind of stamina someone supposedly does or doesn't have. It was in the news recently that Secretary Clinton had pneumonia. I hope that she's feeling better now. I've had pneumonia a few times. It can take several weeks to feel better. __________________ John 1:29: "Behold, The Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world!"   #139   Sep 26, '16, 8:50 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by oldgraymare2 I personally would not put too much weight on voting for a candidate based on how they performed in a debate. For me, it would not have any deciding factor. A debate barely gives them enough time to cover the basics in any topic that they're asked to discuss. They're only given two minutes to talk on a topic. That's hardly any time to touch the surface of the topic. Perhaps the debate did not affect you because you are already committed to Trump. But with regard to the undecided voters, Trump did nothing (so far) to move them in his direction, whereas Hillary did better on this score. Both of them need the Independents on their team.   #140   Sep 26, '16, 8:51 pm Little Sheep Regular Member   Join Date: January 4, 2016 Posts: 1,766 Religion: Episcopalian Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread In news that will surprise no one who is paying attention, Hillary cleaned his clock. He's a lovely man, I'm sure; he's just not our next President.   #141   Sep 26, '16, 8:55 pm Expatreprocedit Regular Member   Join Date: February 24, 2014 Posts: 1,166 Religion: Orthodox Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Trump got destroyed on the birther thing. He had a good comeback to it, that it started with Clinton's 2008 campaign, but he kept stumbling trying to spit it out, and his line that he should get credit for making Obama produce the birth certificate- that just made him look foolish. I can't believe his campaign couldn't come up with a better way to handle that. He should have just said it was mistaken on his part, apologized, and moved on. Instead he kept it alive for 10 minutes.   #142   Sep 26, '16, 8:55 pm St Francis Forum Elder   Join Date: August 11, 2004 Posts: 16,502 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Listener It just drove me crazy the way Trump kept Interrupting Hillary at the beginning. I thought he was acting like a superior male who needed to put this insubordinate woman in her place. I don't think he did well, but my impression was that when she said wildly inaccurate things, he wanted to correct the record. Quote: Do you people really want to put this scary guy in charge of our nuclear weapons? I really don't want to put such an advocate of abortion in charge of choosing our next Supreme Court justices. (Among many things I could say about such a person in charge of so many things.) __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." CS Lewis–God in the Dock, 1948   #143   Sep 26, '16, 8:56 pm LiamQ Regular Member   Join Date: August 21, 2011 Posts: 620 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Vouthon The point is, his stamina was seriously flagging by the end - just from a 90 minute debate with a political opponent. Of course, this is your own opinion and it reflects your own perception of things. How other people perceived it, and how the media will continue to mold those perceptions over the coming days, might be an entirely different matter. I, for my part, thought Trump had strong moments and some very weak moments as well. His weakest moments seemed to be on the Birther nonsense, and also some parts relevant to his business dealings. I also think he clobbered her several times, including with regard to painting her experience as simply being "bad" experience. But he could have done a lot more, especially when she was talking about things like cyber security, and he could have brought up her medical records. Clinton I thought did very well, although I also perceive her massive grin as being a sign of discomfort, and I did not at all find appealing the idea of going to her website to read what "fact checkers" are writing there. It came across like she wasn't able to respond to his claims, and so she was simply passing the buck along to her team. "I hope those fact checkers are busy" is not a good response to certain claims.   #144   Sep 26, '16, 8:57 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,861 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by PTL I have already made up my mind. No matter how the candidate I support performs in debate, I will still vote for that person. No matter how cunning or mighty the other candidate performs, I will still not vote for that person. Therefore, it is needless for me to watch. I just hope and pray Americans will know the dire consequence if they cast the wrong vote. If they cast the wrong vote, America will be no more, finished,period. The consequence is deadly serious. We are voting for policies and morals, not for eloquence and performance. We cannot vote for a liar, a baby killer, a gay sex promoter, a transgender promoter, and a person repeatedly affirms that religious belief must be changed. If that candidate gets elected. the Church will be persecuted. We may not have a church to go. It means Catholic lights out. well said! __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #145   Sep 26, '16, 8:57 pm oldgraymare2 Regular Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: December 7, 2013 Posts: 4,637 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Perhaps the debate did not affect you because you are already committed to Trump. But with regard to the undecided voters, Trump did nothing (so far) to move them in his direction, whereas Hillary did better on this score. Both of them need the Independents on their team. Hi meltzerboy, Actually, I'm not committed to either candidate. I'm an independent voter. I'm still undecided. I have my ballot here already, sitting next to my computer. It's pretty much "staring me in the face." I have time to decide yet, about what I'm going to do, but I have never felt so undecided about an election before. O.K... Don't want to take it off-topic. __________________ John 1:29: "Behold, The Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world!"   #146   Sep 26, '16, 8:57 pm LiamQ Regular Member   Join Date: August 21, 2011 Posts: 620 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Expatreprocedit Instead he kept it alive for 10 minutes. Agreed. But I have to be honest: the fact that this sort of thing determines who did or did not score points in a debate is evidence that we need to raise our understanding of what debate actually involves.   #147   Sep 26, '16, 9:00 pm LeafByNiggle Veteran Member   Join Date: December 5, 2010 Posts: 10,594 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam "fact checking" is the 2016 word for political commentary. I'll pass Every fact check listed was supported by publicly available references. It's easily verified. Its in the public record. Did you find a fact check that you believe was not documented? Or do you disbelieve all the public records too?   #148   Sep 26, '16, 9:01 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,861 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam Or a typical conniving politician; depending on your political persuasion. I kept getting flash backs of Jeb Bush and Richard Nixon during their debate performances (but that may just be me.) I'm not sure how it will play over the next week. Will need to watch the numbers. Trump is not a good debater. He missed a lot of openings and he really should have practiced more. I think the moderator lost control of the debate half way through and the audience towards the end. Trump definitely didn't touch on the e-mails enough, or Benghazi or how polls show Americans find her untrustworthy! __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #149   Sep 26, '16, 9:02 pm St Francis Forum Elder   Join Date: August 11, 2004 Posts: 16,502 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy Perhaps the debate did not affect you because you are already committed to Trump. But with regard to the undecided voters, Trump did nothing (so far) to move them in his direction, whereas Hillary did better on this score. Both of them need the Independents on their team. You make a very good point: a lot of people have not been keeping up with the news (knowing that may be hard to understand!) and this was like an introduction to the candidates for them. Trump should have been much more specific about stuff rather than alluding vaguely on the grounds we would know what he was talking about. Clinton sounded more specific in a way, but when seriously considered, what she said was mostly same-same-old. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." CS Lewis–God in the Dock, 1948   #150   Sep 26, '16, 9:05 pm lmachine Regular Member   Join Date: March 8, 2016 Posts: 1,995 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam "fact checking" is the 2016 word for political commentary. I'll pass "2+2=5." "I don't think that's right..." "That's just your political opinion."     Sep 26, '16, 9:06 pm St Francis Forum Elder   Join Date: August 11, 2004 Posts: 16,502 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by LiamQ Of course, this is your own opinion and it reflects your own perception of things. How other people perceived it, and how the media will continue to mold those perceptions over the coming days, might be an entirely different matter. I, for my part, thought Trump had strong moments and some very weak moments as well. His weakest moments seemed to be on the Birther nonsense, and also some parts relevant to his business dealings. I also think he clobbered her several times, including with regard to painting her experience as simply being "bad" experience. But he could have done a lot more, especially when she was talking about things like cyber security, and he could have brought up her medical records. Clinton I thought did very well, although I also perceive her massive grin as being a sign of discomfort, and I did not at all find appealing the idea of going to her website to read what "fact checkers" are writing there. It came across like she wasn't able to respond to his claims, and so she was simply passing the buck along to her team. "I hope those fact checkers are busy" is not a good response to certain claims. I hated that she hawked her book at the debate!!!! Teump should have said you can read my policies for free online! __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." CS Lewis–God in the Dock, 1948   #152   Sep 26, '16, 9:06 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,861 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Vouthon If a person cannot remain steady and coherent during a debate, how he is going to handle the immense stresses of high office? Trump seemed entirely rattled and jaded by the end of this 90 minute verbal tussle with Clinton. She was totally unruffled at the end. And yet everyone has been banging on about her health. She completely tossed that issue aside and proved her stamina, whereas Trump crumpled under the pressure. I only say it as I saw it. Had Trump been on form, I'd have conceded it. But he looked utterly out of his depth at the end. Not good for his portfolio with regards the job. Trump said before that he hates losers. Well...... well, to be truthful, I saw Hillary look ruffled plenty of times. Trump was on the receiving end of many Hillary glares - how dare you bring up my e-mails or how dare you criticize me for this or that! __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #153   Sep 26, '16, 9:11 pm gilliam Forum Elder   Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by lmachine "2+2=5." "I don't think that's right..." "That's just your political opinion." It's not that, it is that they cherry pick the facts to check. It is simply another way of political commentary. __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #154   Sep 26, '16, 9:11 pm LiamQ Regular Member   Join Date: August 21, 2011 Posts: 620 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread (By the way, I would have loved to have seen Ted Cruz debating Hillary tonight.)   #155   Sep 26, '16, 9:11 pm _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior   Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,524 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Schieffer: Debate Didn’t Sway Many Voters Quote: HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. (CBSNewYork) — CBS News contributor Bob Schieffer doesn’t believe Monday night’s presidential debate swayed many voters across the nation. “I’ve never seen one where the decorum broke down the way that it did tonight. You almost never see audience responses like we saw tonight. We were expecting a different kind of debate and I think in that way that we saw one. I don’t think Donald Trump lost any votes tonight, I’m not sure Hillary Clinton gained any votes tonight,” the former “Face the Nation” moderator said on CBS News after the debate. http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/09/...ential-debate/   #156   Sep 26, '16, 9:13 pm _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior   Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,524 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by LiamQ (By the way, I would have loved to have seen Ted Cruz debating Hillary tonight.) I get that, but check out Ted Cruz's reaction to the debate: https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/780607222539689984   #157   Sep 26, '16, 9:14 pm kat07 Regular Member   Join Date: October 9, 2013 Posts: 607 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Expatreprocedit Instead he kept it alive for 10 minutes. I agree that Trump kept issues about him alive for too long. He could have easily just replied with one or two sentences when attacked about his taxes or the birther issue, and then he could have turned the issue back on to Hillary. He stayed on the defense too long, instead of hitting Hillary right back. Hillary got off way to easily, for example regarding her emails all she said was that she made a mistake and she apologized for it, then she moved right along and changed the subject quickly. All Trump had to say about releasing his taxes was that he is taking the advice of his lawyers to wait until the audit was over, and then he could of just said to Hillary: just like you've taken the advice of your lawyers many times.   #158   Sep 26, '16, 9:15 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,861 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Hillary took a lot of cheap shots and I think Trump bit his tongue and would have liked to have said some things back, but restrained himself. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #159   Sep 26, '16, 9:17 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows Hillary took a lot of cheap shots and I think Trump bit his tongue and would have liked to have said some things back, but restrained himself. Do you think Trump was trying to play nice on the advice of his handlers? He seemed to me to be fighting against himself. Maybe next debate, we'll see the "real" Trump again.   #160   Sep 26, '16, 9:19 pm LiamQ Regular Member   Join Date: August 21, 2011 Posts: 620 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia I get that, but check out Ted Cruz's reaction to the debate: https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/780607222539689984 Very interesting, thanks for sharing that as I never would have spotted it otherwise. My only concern is that most undecideds will not see things as clearly as Cruz does.   #161   Sep 26, '16, 9:20 pm I trust Junior Member   Join Date: September 24, 2011 Posts: 441 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Trump struggled at times getting the exact words out that he needed to make his points. Clinton had a smug condescending smile that quickly went sour when Trump called her out as having a holier than thou attitude. Trump scored major points by repeatedly talking about Clinton's 30 year record of not solving problems. He actually scored major points on foreign affairs ; which was quite an accomplishment considering her experience as Secretary of State. Clinton was able to paint him as a racist and as sexist. Those are nasty attacks the Democrats are well versed in. Trump missed several opportunities to hit hard on trust issues especially the e-mail scandal. Overall Trump did what he needed to do...Appear competent and presidential. Clinton, to me, came off as calculating, smug and vindictive. I give the match to Trump, But not by knockout. .   #162   Sep 26, '16, 9:21 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by oldgraymare2 Hi meltzerboy, Actually, I'm not committed to either candidate. I'm an independent voter. I'm still undecided. I have my ballot here already, sitting next to my computer. It's pretty much "staring me in the face." I have time to decide yet, about what I'm going to do, but I have never felt so undecided about an election before. O.K... Don't want to take it off-topic. I can certainly empathize with your indecision this election cycle.   #163   Sep 26, '16, 9:28 pm gilliam Forum Elder   Join Date: June 11, 2004 Posts: 37,957 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows Hillary took a lot of cheap shots and I think Trump bit his tongue and would have liked to have said some things back, but restrained himself. I think that was the strategy. Hillary was trying very hard to get under Trump's skin and get him to make personal attacks. He didn't. This debate wasn't about the issues. No one tuned into the debate to find out how either candidate stood on the issues. We already know where they stand. For Hillary this debate was all about making Trump look un-presidential. We can debate whether she succeeded in this goal or not. __________________ -gilliam Catholicism is not the religious version of a political ideology   #164   Sep 26, '16, 9:31 pm Sy Noe Senior Member   Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Focus groups on FOX and CNN both say overwhelmingly Clinton won the debate. On FOX, Frank Luntz had a focus group. 16 said Clinton won. 6 Trump. CNN's focus group of undecideds in Orlando FL, a swing state: 18 said Clinton won. Only 2 thought Trump won. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/focus-gro...%28Mediaite%29 CNN/ORC poll 62% Clinton won. Only 27% Trump. http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/26/politi...-donald-trump/ __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #165   Sep 26, '16, 9:35 pm abucs Regular Member   Join Date: August 28, 2007 Posts: 3,168 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Trump did well enough to keep the momentum going in his direction. I agree that there were many openings in which he could have prosecuted her record more thoroughly but that simply means he will be even stronger for the next two debates.     Sep 26, '16, 9:38 pm chero23 Forum Master   Join Date: November 12, 2012 Posts: 15,737 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe Focus groups on FOX and CNN both say overwhelmingly Clinton won the debate. On FOX, Frank Luntz had a focus group. 16 said Clinton won. 6 Trump. CNN's focus group of undecideds in Orlando FL, a swing state: 18 said Clinton won. Only 2 thought Trump won. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/focus-gro...%28Mediaite%29 CNN/ORC poll 62% Clinton won. Only 27% Trump. http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/26/politi...-donald-trump/ This could help HRC with polls. I didn't watch the debate but I have read people's posts on different sites, and many seemed disappointed. I hope Gary Johnson gets in the debates. Not bc I think he would be a great president, but maybe, just maybe with him being there, one of the two candidates sees a threat and actually talks business. __________________ Check out my Catholic Apologetic Booklet. 121 themes/doctrines, 5,200 Bible Verses, 192 pages. English https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...bFU/edit?pli=1 Spanish https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...M2c/edit?pli=1 Let others know about my booklet.   #167   Sep 26, '16, 9:39 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,861 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by gilliam I think that was the strategy. Hillary was trying very hard to get under Trump's skin and get him to make personal attacks. He didn't. This debate wasn't about the issues. No one tuned into the debate to find out how either candidate stood on the issues. We already know where they stand. For Hillary this debate was all about making Trump look un-presidential. We can debate whether she succeeded in this goal or not. I agree. I am sure they will have him watch his performance over and over. he didn't know what to expect - now he knows! she will play as dirty as she needs to. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #168   Sep 26, '16, 9:41 pm Sy Noe Senior Member   Join Date: October 7, 2013 Posts: 8,032 Religion: Non practicing Roman Catholic with mainline Christian faith Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by abucs Trump did well enough to keep the momentum going in his direction. I agree that there were many openings in which he could have prosecuted her record more thoroughly but that simply means he will be even stronger for the next two debates. Even if he doesn't lose supporters, when the perception is he lost so badly, I think it could have stalled his momentum. __________________ "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage... it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." "The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong." (Pope Francis)   #169   Sep 26, '16, 9:45 pm Stylteralmaldo Veteran Member   Join Date: June 2, 2004 Posts: 9,000 Religion: Catholic (Latin Rite) Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread I think Trump lost tonight's debate. Trump did not do a good job of making the focus about Clinton. He tried, and was successful in the early going, but ultimately he wasn't able to close the deal. Clinton didn't do very well either, she looked elitist to me. Very condescending attitude. Trump failed to capitalize on that. __________________ Today, I want to be transformed, whole and entire, into the love of Jesus and to offer myself, together with Him, to the Heavenly Father. - St. Faustina Kowalska   #170   Sep 26, '16, 9:48 pm Stylteralmaldo Veteran Member   Join Date: June 2, 2004 Posts: 9,000 Religion: Catholic (Latin Rite) Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe Even if he doesn't lose supporters, when the perception is he lost so badly, I think it could have stalled his momentum. He lost, but it wasn't a terrible performance compared to Clinton's. I'd give Clinton a C+ and Trump a C-. __________________ Today, I want to be transformed, whole and entire, into the love of Jesus and to offer myself, together with Him, to the Heavenly Father. - St. Faustina Kowalska   #171   Sep 26, '16, 10:01 pm BernadetteM Regular Member   Join Date: April 3, 2008 Posts: 1,547 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Now we know that Lester Holt is a Democrat. He is not man enough to stand up to NBC as he knows he would lose his job and also his son's job who works there. He would not stop Hillary from talking, he let her talk over Trump, she lied several times and looked like the cat that swallowed the canary. Such a smug face. Holt also interrupted Trump constantly so that Trump could not get his thoughts together. Holt was terrible and I am sure that the others will be the same. I don't understand why the RNC doesn't demand that half the moderators are Republicans who are not anti Trump. Of course Hillary has done this 15 times and has had 8 years to prepare. I have lost all respect for both parties, but for the Democrats more. One of the media said that it seemed she was reading a teleprompter. I felt she looked like a robot and was repeating what had been programed into her. Whether one likes Trump or not I believe he has a heart and does want the best for the U.S. Hillary just want power and don't be surprised if we have a dictator after the election. Our country has really gone to pot. I remember when life seemed hopeful and I understand that many are too young to remember the good old days. Hopefully Trump will reconsider the next debates and set different fair standards for it. I knew this would happen. Bernadette   #172   Sep 26, '16, 10:06 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,861 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Some polls are showing Trump won the debate. So, all is not lost! __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #173   Sep 26, '16, 10:07 pm Thorolfr Regular Member   Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by BernadetteM I remember when life seemed hopeful and I understand that many are too young to remember the good old days. The "good old days" weren't always very good for a lot of people in our country, especially people of color.   #174   Sep 26, '16, 10:10 pm Thorolfr Regular Member   Join Date: November 4, 2014 Posts: 5,628 Religion: Lutheran (ELCA) Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows Some polls are showing Trump won the debate. So, all is not lost! It's not good, though, when a focus group at Fox says he lost....   #175   Sep 26, '16, 10:20 pm meltzerboy Forum Elder   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 26,634 Religion: Jewish Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by BernadetteM Now we know that Lester Holt is a Democrat. He is not man enough to stand up to NBC as he knows he would lose his job and also his son's job who works there. He would not stop Hillary from talking, he let her talk over Trump, she lied several times and looked like the cat that swallowed the canary. Such a smug face. Holt also interrupted Trump constantly so that Trump could not get his thoughts together. Holt was terrible and I am sure that the others will be the same. I don't understand why the RNC doesn't demand that half the moderators are Republicans who are not anti Trump. Of course Hillary has done this 15 times and has had 8 years to prepare. I have lost all respect for both parties, but for the Democrats more. One of the media said that it seemed she was reading a teleprompter. I felt she looked like a robot and was repeating what had been programed into her. Whether one likes Trump or not I believe he has a heart and does want the best for the U.S. Hillary just want power and don't be surprised if we have a dictator after the election. Our country has really gone to pot. I remember when life seemed hopeful and I understand that many are too young to remember the good old days. Hopefully Trump will reconsider the next debates and set different fair standards for it. I knew this would happen. Bernadette I heard that Lester Holt is a registered Republican but I did not verify this information. I do agree that Holt seemed a bit partial toward Clinton, allowing her to keep talking and all the while rushing Trump to finish up.   #176   Sep 26, '16, 10:24 pm graciew Regular Member   Join Date: January 29, 2010 Posts: 3,377 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy I do agree that Holt seemed a bit partial toward Clinton, allowing her to keep talking and all the while rushing Trump to finish up. This I noticed too.   #177   Sep 26, '16, 10:27 pm I trust Junior Member   Join Date: September 24, 2011 Posts: 441 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread None of these focus groups or instant polls are scientific, but the Time magazine poll is up to 820,000 votes which is a lot more than a focus group of 20 people,,,, Who won the debate? Trump 59% Clinton 41% http://time.com/4506217/presidential...-trump-survey/   #178   Sep 26, '16, 10:35 pm 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,861 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by I trust None of these focus groups or instant polls are scientific, but the Time magazine poll is up to 820,000 votes which is a lot more than a focus group of 20 people,,,, Who won the debate? Trump 59% Clinton 41% http://time.com/4506217/presidential...-trump-survey/ I believe CBS also showed Trump winning the debate. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #179   Sep 26, '16, 10:41 pm I trust Junior Member   Join Date: September 24, 2011 Posts: 441 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows I believe CBS also showed Trump winning the debate. Yep, 67,000 votes cast... CBS Poll: Who won the debate? Trump 58% Clinton 42% http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/09/...ential-debate/   #180   Sep 26, '16, 10:58 pm Al Moritz Regular Member   Join Date: April 20, 2011 Posts: 3,024 Religion: Roman Catholic/Freethinker/Skeptic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Thorolfr The "good old days" weren't always very good for a lot of people in our country, especially people of color. Yes, there are no "good old days". Life has never been better in this country than now -- when you look at everybody on average, not just privileged white folks. And certainly I don't look for the "good old days" either (and I'm white). Life has never been better and more exciting. __________________ Health is not a consumer good but a universal right, so access to health services cannot be a privilege. Pope Francis     Sep 27, '16, 12:09 am lmachine Regular Member   Join Date: March 8, 2016 Posts: 1,995 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy I do agree that Holt seemed a bit partial toward Clinton, allowing her to keep talking and all the while rushing Trump to finish up. Trump frequently ran over his allotted time.   #182   Sep 27, '16, 12:12 am Tomdstone Banned   Join Date: January 21, 2013 Posts: 11,614 Religion: other Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread CBS poll and Time magazine poll are proof that the mainstream media are slanted against Trump and slanted in favor of Hillary. Trump won the debate, but CNN tried to say he lost.   #183   Sep 27, '16, 12:39 am _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior   Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,524 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Tomdstone CBS poll and Time magazine poll are proof that the mainstream media are slanted against Trump and slanted in favor of Hillary. Trump won the debate, but CNN tried to say he lost. According to this: Quote: CNN poll of "debate watchers" (which skewed Dem by 15 points) said Clinton won 62-27%. The CNN poll is is +15 Democrat. It's ridiculous... it's almost laughable. The Democrat turnout was +6 in 2012, and President Barack Obama, I'm guessing (please correct me if I am wrong), probably had far higher favourable ratings in 2012 than Hillary Clinton is favoured currently.   #184   Sep 27, '16, 12:44 am Tomdstone Banned   Join Date: January 21, 2013 Posts: 11,614 Religion: other Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia According to this: The CNN poll is is +15 Democrat. It's ridiculous... it's almost laughable. The Democrat turnout was +6 in 2012, and President Barack Obama, I'm guessing (please correct me if I am wrong), probably had far higher favourable ratings in 2012 than Hillary Clinton is favoured currently. I am not sure how accurate some of these instant polls are, but almost all online polls show that Trump won, sometimes by a huge amount. https://theconservativetreehouse.com...on-the-debate/ http://www.infowars.com/poll-who-won...ential-debate/   #185   Sep 27, '16, 12:52 am _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior   Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,524 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Sy Noe Focus groups on FOX and CNN both say overwhelmingly Clinton won the debate. On FOX, Frank Luntz had a focus group. 16 said Clinton won. 6 Trump. CNN's focus group of undecideds in Orlando FL, a swing state: 18 said Clinton won. Only 2 thought Trump won. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/focus-gro...%28Mediaite%29 CNN/ORC poll 62% Clinton won. Only 27% Trump. http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/26/politi...-donald-trump/ I've gone into the CNN poll in post #183. As for the focus groups, first of all, they are such small groups of people. If any normal poll was done on such a tiny group of people for a presidential race, it wouldn't be taken seriously by most people, would it? In fact, I don't think any main pollster would poll on such a tiny group of people for a presidential race. So why should those focus groups be taken seriously? Second, during the entire Republican primary, in what single focus group did Donald Trump win in after any of the debates? I doubt he won a single focus group. What does this mean if true? What this means is that tiny focus groups are not necessarily indicative of who ends up winning. That was the primary, but the point remains.   #186   Sep 27, '16, 3:04 am 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,861 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Tomdstone I am not sure how accurate some of these instant polls are, but almost all online polls show that Trump won, sometimes by a huge amount. https://theconservativetreehouse.com...on-the-debate/ http://www.infowars.com/poll-who-won...ential-debate/ One link stated out of 30 websites that had polls Hillary only won 3 polls. Trump won in 27. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #187   Sep 27, '16, 3:06 am 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,861 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Al Moritz Yes, there are no "good old days". Life has never been better in this country than now -- when you look at everybody on average, not just privileged white folks. And certainly I don't look for the "good old days" either (and I'm white). Life has never been better and more exciting. I disagree. Our country has seen better days. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #188   Sep 27, '16, 3:19 am lmachine Regular Member   Join Date: March 8, 2016 Posts: 1,995 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows I disagree. Our country has seen better days. Which?   #189   Sep 27, '16, 3:20 am ShrodingersCat Regular Member   Join Date: May 10, 2016 Posts: 1,151 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread I cannot believe that anyone could concieve that Trump won. I would never ever vote for Hillary, but she came across well prepared and had answers to all of the questions that were coherent and didn't involve her saying 'there are no jobs' twenty times in a minute. I felt embarrassed for Trump. And that he came off as more elitist thinking that he's the greatest thing since sliced bread because he's a billionaire and that entitles him to be president. When he leaned into the mic after she accused him of not paying taxes I was sure he would deny it but he said "that's business". I nearly choked. And how his tax policy involves cutting taxes for the wealthy? How self serving is that? I'm sorry, I cannot understand how his responses to those two things alone didn't loose him the debate. Both candidates got a few good punches in on various issues but I think Hillary recovered from them better. Holt was obviously going to interrupt Trump more given that Trump kept trying to speak when he wasn't suposed to. Hillary did it too but Trump was more rude about it. Also Trump refused to answer some questions like the Birther thing so Holt cut across to try and get him to stop waffling. I guess if you really dislike Clinton it colours your opinion of her. But her 'smug' look was probably unavoidable because she knew she didn't want to be accused of scowling the whole time. She probably practiced her not talking face. Unlike Trump. Trump's temperament comment was one of the more ironic moments in the debate for me. Ultimately it comes down to a candidate that would be terrible for unborn babies (the ultimate no no) or a dude who comes across as embarrassingly unsuited to the job. I would probably vote for trump and feel sick afterwards or vote third party. But I don't have a vote. I don't envy you guys your choices this time around. Last edited by ShrodingersCat; Sep 27, '16 at 3:38 am.   #190   Sep 27, '16, 3:23 am 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,861 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by lmachine Which? The 80's and the 90's and the 50's and 60's weren't bad either. Our country has really gone downhill since 2007. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #191   Sep 27, '16, 3:24 am Monte RCMS Forum Master   Join Date: November 9, 2008 Posts: 14,658 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Drudge Report: Trump won: 81 to 19 http://drudgereport.com https://theconservativetreehouse.com __________________ Come, Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful and kindle in them the fire of Thy Divine Love. Send forth Your Spirit, and they shall be created. And You will renew the face of the earth.   #192   Sep 27, '16, 3:28 am stinkcat_14 Veteran Member   Join Date: June 26, 2005 Posts: 10,561 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Monte RCMS Drudge Report: Trump won: 81 to 19 http://drudgereport.com That is from drudge readers, so not too surprising.   #193   Sep 27, '16, 3:50 am 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,861 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by stinkcat_14 That is from drudge readers, so not too surprising. No. The results from the Drudge Report and CNN are not surprising. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #194   Sep 27, '16, 4:08 am chero23 Forum Master   Join Date: November 12, 2012 Posts: 15,737 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread One of the major points from last night and I didn't see anyone here talk about it was Trump saying "that makes me smart" when Clinton talked about Trumps taxes. Why don't people bring that up? I mean the man basically admitted to not paying taxes, yet he complains that illegals don't pay taxes. How can there be a double standard? I hope nobody says this is a liberal witch hunt bc Donald Trump said it. __________________ Check out my Catholic Apologetic Booklet. 121 themes/doctrines, 5,200 Bible Verses, 192 pages. English https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...bFU/edit?pli=1 Spanish https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2TE...M2c/edit?pli=1 Let others know about my booklet.   #195   Sep 27, '16, 4:11 am Wesrock Regular Member   Join Date: July 29, 2015 Posts: 3,639 Religion: Roman Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by ShrodingersCat I cannot believe that anyone could concieve that Trump won. I would never ever vote for Hillary, but she came across well prepared and had answers to all of the questions that were coherent and didn't involve her saying 'there are no jobs' twenty times in a minute. I felt embarrassed for Trump. And that he came off as more elitist thinking that he's the greatest thing since sliced bread because he's a billionaire and that entitles him to be president. When he leaned into the mic after she accused him of not paying taxes I was sure he would deny it but he said "that's business". I nearly choked. And how his tax policy involves cutting taxes for the wealthy? How self serving is that? I'm sorry, I cannot understand how his responses to those two things alone didn't loose him the debate. Both candidates got a few good punches in on various issues but I think Hillary recovered from them better. Holt was obviously going to interrupt Trump more given that Trump kept trying to speak when he wasn't suposed to. Hillary did it too but Trump was more rude about it. Also Trump refused to answer some questions like the Birther thing so Holt cut across to try and get him to stop waffling. I guess if you really dislike Clinton it colours your opinion of her. But her 'smug' look was probably unavoidable because she knew she didn't want to be accused of scowling the whole time. She probably practiced her not talking face. Unlike Trump. Trump's temperament comment was one of the more ironic moments in the debate for me. Ultimately it comes down to a candidate that would be terrible for unborn babies (the ultimate no no) or a dude who comes across as embarrassingly unsuited to the job. I would probably vote for trump and feel sick afterwards or vote third party. But I don't have a vote. I don't envy you guys your choices this time around. This. His "temperament" was terrible. He was completley unpresidential. He was unprepared to even answer some obvious challenges (birther, taxes). He was angry, ranting, and unable to form coherent sentences half the time. And no, that doesn't mean I'm voting for Clinton. But really, there's been points where everyone has said "that's just for the primaries" or "just for the rallies" and we're going to see a more presidential Trump somewhere. After this performance.... no, this blustering man is just who he is. __________________ As for me, to be near God is my good, to make the Lord God my refuge. (Ps 73:28)   Sep 27, '16, 4:13 am 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,861 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Wesrock This. His "temperament" was terrible. He was completley unpresidential. He was unprepared to even answer some obvious challenges (birther, taxes). He was angry, ranting, and unable to form coherent sentences half the time. And no, that doesn't mean I'm voting for Clinton. But really, there's been poimts where everyone has said "that's just for the primaries" or "just for the rallies" and we're going to see a more presidential Trump somewhere. After this performance.... no, this blustering man is just who he is. Evidently from the polls people were not that unhappy with his performance. __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #197   Sep 27, '16, 4:15 am redbaron162 Junior Member   Join Date: February 25, 2014 Posts: 389 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread I have to say I was embarrassed at both candidates. Do they not know how to speak in a debate? When it is the other persons time you shut up and let them talk and likewise the other way. Both candidates kept trying to talk over one another and the moderator as well as speaking out of turn. If they acted like this during a formal debate with a debate club they would be quickly disqualified and lose. Maybe next debate they should put both of them in soundproof glass boxes with a microphone that is turned off when it is not their turn, that way we could at least have a ordered debate. Like most people I doubt any of the debates will sway many voters and are mostly a show, especially one as disordered as this one. A fair and detached moderator needs to be found who is willing to put his foot down and tell either of them to shut it when it isn't their turn.   #198   Sep 27, '16, 4:21 am ShrodingersCat Regular Member   Join Date: May 10, 2016 Posts: 1,151 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows Evidently from the polls people were not that unhappy with his performance. Which is baffling. On NBC afterwards, the reporter basically said that it was very obvious that Hillary won but that Trump always seems to do really well even where other potential candidates would have been laughed out of the building. The fact that focus groups and media seem unanimous that Trump lost indicates perhaps that people who are attempting to be objective will acknowledge his terrible performance but his supporters won't. Not that the media is objective, but when Fox is saying he did badly, you know it's bad. International media seems to indicate that it was a clear win for Hillary.   #199   Sep 27, '16, 4:22 am ShrodingersCat Regular Member   Join Date: May 10, 2016 Posts: 1,151 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by redbaron162 I have to say I was embarrassed at both candidates. Do they not know how to speak in a debate? When it is the other persons time you shut up and let them talk and likewise the other way. Both candidates kept trying to talk over one another and the moderator as well as speaking out of turn. If they acted like this during a formal debate with a debate club they would be quickly disqualified and lose. Maybe next debate they should put both of them in soundproof glass boxes with a microphone that is turned off when it is not their turn, that way we could at least have a ordered debate. This annoyed me too, but especially that time Hillary started her two minutes and Trump kept cutting across her and Holt told him to shut up and Trump still did it.   #200   Sep 27, '16, 4:41 am Irishmom2 Forum Master Prayer Warrior   Join Date: March 22, 2009 Posts: 14,687 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Wesrock This. His "temperament" was terrible. He was completley unpresidential. He was unprepared to even answer some obvious challenges (birther, taxes). . I am pretty sure if Hillary were asked questions by the moderator about the Benghazi deaths, her health, her missing emails etc. she would have been unprepared as well. But she got a pass on those from Lester Holt. As far as her acting "presidential," she has had so many more years of acting practice than Trump. First as a lawyer, then as a stand by your man wife, and then as a politician in her own right. If anyone is going to have the phony smile, smug expression and glare look down pat, it's her. __________________ "Lord Jesus, in times of trial and temptation, be my strength and consolation. Teach me not to fear the darkness, but rather draw me to your light. For it can only be in darkness that you will become my light and in your light that I may bring the light of healing to all I meet." - George Maloney   #201   Sep 27, '16, 4:42 am Tomdstone Banned   Join Date: January 21, 2013 Posts: 11,614 Religion: other Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by ShrodingersCat I would never ever vote for Hillary, but she came across well prepared... Her answers seemed canned to me. She seemed to be robotically repeating what her political advisors had told her to say.   #202   Sep 27, '16, 4:44 am ShrodingersCat Regular Member   Join Date: May 10, 2016 Posts: 1,151 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Tomdstone Her answers seemed canned to me. She seemed to be robotically repeating what people had told her to say. Well, that literally is what preparing for a debate involves for every politician.   #203   Sep 27, '16, 4:53 am _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior   Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,524 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by ShrodingersCat Well, that literally is what preparing for a debate involves for every politician. She has been involved in multiple one-on-one debates during her life, this was Tump's first one-on-one debate. Also, as you point out she's a "politician". She knows how to speak the political language of somebody that's been involved in politics for 30+ years. The next debate will be interesting because that's a town hall, a different format from this debate.   #204   Sep 27, '16, 4:54 am 7 Sorrows Forum Elder Greeter Prayer Warrior Forum Supporter Book Club Member   Join Date: September 23, 2008 Posts: 43,861 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Irishmom2 I am pretty sure if Hillary were asked questions by the moderator about the Benghazi deaths, her health, her missing emails etc. she would have been unprepared as well. But she got a pass on those from Lester Holt. As far as her acting "presidential," she has had so many more years of acting practice than Trump. First as a lawyer, then as a stand by your man wife, and then as a politician in her own right. If anyone is going to have the phony smile, smug expression and glare look down pat, it's her. I agree! __________________ You created every part of me; you put me together in my mother's womb. (13) when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there----you saw me before I was born. (15) ~~~Psalm 139   #205   Sep 27, '16, 5:01 am Mary Gail 36 Forum Elder   Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 17,436 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by BernadetteM Now we know that Lester Holt is a Democrat. He is not man enough to stand up to NBC as he knows he would lose his job and also his son's job who works there. He would not stop Hillary from talking, he let her talk over Trump, she lied several times and looked like the cat that swallowed the canary. Such a smug face. Holt also interrupted Trump constantly so that Trump could not get his thoughts together. Holt was terrible and I am sure that the others will be the same. I don't understand why the RNC doesn't demand that half the moderators are Republicans who are not anti Trump. Of course Hillary has done this 15 times and has had 8 years to prepare. I have lost all respect for both parties, but for the Democrats more. One of the media said that it seemed she was reading a teleprompter. I felt she looked like a robot and was repeating what had been programed into her. Whether one likes Trump or not I believe he has a heart and does want the best for the U.S. Hillary just want power and don't be surprised if we have a dictator after the election. Our country has really gone to pot. I remember when life seemed hopeful and I understand that many are too young to remember the good old days. Hopefully Trump will reconsider the next debates and set different fair standards for it. I knew this would happen. Bernadette Lester Holt is a registered Republican. The questions were not known ahead of time, so how could she be reading from a TelePrompTer? They aren't small, someone in the audience could have turned their heads and scene it. Trump would have seen it. Like her or dislike her, she did very well yesterday. __________________ Jesus, protect and save the unborn. The Word became flesh, He lived among us, and we saw His glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.   #206   Sep 27, '16, 5:05 am stinkcat_14 Veteran Member   Join Date: June 26, 2005 Posts: 10,561 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread The debates seem to have confirms everyone's biases from what I can tell. Those who support Trump tend to think he won, those who support Clinton think she won. I cannot vote for either one and there was nothing in the debate that made me change my mind.   #207   Sep 27, '16, 5:19 am graciew Regular Member   Join Date: January 29, 2010 Posts: 3,377 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia The next debate will be interesting because that's a town hall, a different format from this debate. Could you briefly explain the difference In format,without my derailing the thread ,Abyssinia? Thank you!   #208   Sep 27, '16, 5:23 am DeniseNY Senior Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: November 30, 2011 Posts: 8,073 Religion: Byzantine Catholic ☦ Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by Irishmom2 I am pretty sure if Hillary were asked questions by the moderator about the Benghazi deaths, her health, her missing emails etc. she would have been unprepared as well. But she got a pass on those from Lester Holt. __________________ Thank you, St. Jude! Patron of hopeless and impossible cases! http://www.shrineofstjude.org/site/P...e=ssj_homepage Please support the cause for the Beatification and Canonization of Rhoda Wise: http://rhodawise.com/   #209   Sep 27, '16, 5:29 am _Abyssinia Forum Elder Prayer Warrior   Join Date: May 20, 2011 Posts: 21,524 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by graciew Could you briefly explain the difference In format,without my derailing the thread ,Abyssinia? Thank you! There will be an audience, and the people in the audience will ask questions. The town hall style debate in 2012 was the one where Candy Crowley did that infamous fact check regarding Benghazi. Martha Raddatz and Anderson Cooper will be moderating. I do think the town style format will suit Trump better than the format of the first debate.   #210   Sep 27, '16, 5:32 am graciew Regular Member   Join Date: January 29, 2010 Posts: 3,377 Religion: Catholic Re: First Presidential Debate 9/26/16 Thread Quote: Originally Posted by _Abyssinia There will be an audience, and the people in the audience will ask questions. The town hall style debate in 2012 was the one where Candy Crowley did that infamous fact check regarding Benghazi. Martha Raddatz and Anderson Cooper will be moderating. I do think the town style format will suit Trump better than the format of the first debate. Thank you!