Nelson Mandela: CIA tip-off led to 1962 Durban arrest

May 15, '16, 8:10 pm

Maxirad Regular Member   Join Date: May 2, 2011 Posts: 2,254 Religion: Roman Catholic

Nelson Mandela: CIA tip-off led to 1962 Durban arrest http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-36296551

#2   May 15, '16, 10:25 pm

RPRPsych Banned Prayer Warrior   Join Date: March 15, 2010 Posts: 8,112 Religion: Catholic. I leave the adjectives to wiser heads.

Re: Nelson Mandela: CIA tip-off led to 1962 Durban arrest

#3   May 15, '16, 11:02 pm

Johann du Toit Regular Member   Join Date: June 23, 2012 Posts: 961 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: Nelson Mandela: CIA tip-off led to 1962 Durban arrest I can confirm that this story has been going around for decades in South Africa. It's common knowledge that an anonymous tipoff led to Mandela;s arrest. It was also widely suspected by members of the intelligence community the CIA gave the tipoff. The US was always suspicious of the ANC due to it;s ties to the USSR, Cuba and (later) Qaddafi;s Libya. I am of course not defending the Apartheid regime as they were truly evil and repulsive and South Africa is better off without them. But in all honesty I am not convinced the cANCer regime that replaced them is any better.

#4   May 16, '16, 12:39 am

RPRPsych Banned Prayer Warrior   Join Date: March 15, 2010 Posts: 8,112 Religion: Catholic. I leave the adjectives to wiser heads.

Re: Nelson Mandela: CIA tip-off led to 1962 Durban arrest Quote: Originally Posted by Johann du Toit I can confirm that this story has been going around for decades in South Africa. It's common knowledge that an anonymous tipoff led to Mandela;s arrest. It was also widely suspected by members of the intelligence community the CIA gave the tipoff. The US was always suspicious of the ANC due to it;s ties to the USSR, Cuba and (later) Qaddafi;s Libya. I am of course not defending the Apartheid regime as they were truly evil and repulsive and South Africa is better off without them. But in all honesty I am not convinced the cANCer regime that replaced them is any better. Excellent post. I think a big problem with the ANC is that once apartheid was dismantled, they lacked a substantive programme to take the country forward; instead, they fell into imbecilic notions such as AIDS denialism.

#5   May 16, '16, 6:34 am

GEddie Forum Elder Book Club Member   Join Date: March 18, 2009 Posts: 89,260 Religion: Catholic

Re: Nelson Mandela: CIA tip-off led to 1962 Durban arrest [DUH] While we now consider Mr Mandela a hero, and justly excoriate the apartheid era of ZA, we should recall that all sides in Cold War 1 did nasty things and that the ANC, or whatever it was called at the time, was tied to communism. Also, the 1960s USA was in no way a bastion of racial justice, and Mandela's side in ZA also did some hideous things to its opponents before it achieved power. History is history. [/DUH!] ICXC NIKA

#6   May 16, '16, 4:37 pm

Joseph3 Banned   Join Date: March 17, 2016 Posts: 2,137 Religion: Catholic

Re: Nelson Mandela: CIA tip-off led to 1962 Durban arrest The CIA was doing its job to stop the spread of communism. That was US foreign policy at the time. I think they were in the right. Communism needed to be stopped.

#7   May 16, '16, 6:50 pm

Dwyer Regular Member   Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 1,361 Religion: Byzantine Catholic

Re: Nelson Mandela: CIA tip-off led to 1962 Durban arrest Quote: As Mr Rickard put it, he was "the most dangerous communist" outside of the Soviet Union, although Mandela always denied being a member of the party. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-36296551 The BBC won't acknowledge that Mr. Mandela was a Communist. Mandela was a member of the South African Communist Party (SACP) and the ANC openly admitted that Mandela was a member after his death in 2013: Right from the ANC website: Quote: Madiba (the African honorary name for Mandela) was also a member of the South African Communist Party, where he served in the Central Committee. http://www.anc.org.za/nelson/show.php?id=10658 Quote: Officially, Mandela was a moderate black nationalist, clinging to hope of peaceful change until it was extinguished by the Sharpeville massacre of 1960. But in the prison memoir we find him plotting war as early as 1953, when he sent a comrade on a secret mission to beg guns and money from Red China, in flagrant violation of the ANC’s non-aligned and non-violent stance. ‘I was bitter and felt ever more strongly that SA whites need another Isandlwana,’ he explains. Driving around the country, Mandela constantly imagines rural landscapes as battlefields and cities as places where one day soon ‘the sweet air will smell of gunfire, elegant buildings will crash down and streets will be splashed with blood’. These vivid quotes did not make it into the bestseller (Long Walk to Freedom, Mandela’s famous 1994 autobiography) . . . ANC president Albert Luthuli did not endorse the move to violence and MK was not the military wing of the ANC at all — it was the sole creation of the Communist party, and everyone involved in its high command was openly or secretly a communist. http://www.spectator.co.uk/2014/01/the-mandela-files/ Quote: Inspired by the actions of Fidel Castro's 26th of July Movement in the Cuban Revolution, in 1961 Mandela co-founded Umkhonto we Sizwe ("Spear of the Nation", abbreviated MK) with (Walter) Sisulu and (Joe) Slovo (SACP Communist). Becoming chairman of the militant group, he gained ideas from illegal literature on guerilla warfare by Mao Zedong and Che Guevara. Officially separate from the ANC, in later years MK became the group's armed wing.[111] Most early MK members were white communists; after hiding in communist Wolfie Kodesh's flat in Berea, Mandela moved to the communist-owned Liliesleaf Farm in Rivonia, there joined by (Raymond) Mhlaba (SACP Communist), Slovo (SACP Communist) and (Lionel) Bernstein (Secretary of the Johannesburg District of the Communist Party), who put together the MK constitution.[112] Although in later life Mandela denied ever being a member of the Communist Party, historical research published in 2011 strongly suggested that he had joined in the late 1950s or early 1960s.[113] This was confirmed by both the SACP and the ANC after Mandela's death. According to the SACP, he was not only a member of the party, but also served on its Central Committee, but later denied it for political reasons.[114] Operating through a cell structure, MK agreed to acts of sabotage to exert maximum pressure on the government with minimum casualties, bombing military installations, power plants, telephone lines and transport links at night, when civilians were not present. Mandela stated that they chose sabotage not only because it was the least harmful action, but also "because it did not involve loss of life [and] it offered the best hope for reconciliation among the races afterward." He noted that "strict instructions were given to members of MK that we would countenance no loss of life", but should these tactics fail, MK would resort to "guerilla warfare and terrorism".[115] Soon after ANC leader Luthuli was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, MK publicly announced its existence with 57 bombings on Dingane's Day (16 December) 1961, followed by further attacks on New Year's Eve.[116] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson...961.E2.80.9362 Mandela appointed one of the two leaders of the MK, South African Communist Party Chairperson Joe Slovo, as Minister of Housing in 1994. __________________ "It's a free country; you can say whatever you want." --Old American Saying (U.S. Postal Service stamp-- from 1977 Americana series which extols freedom of speech and features a Speaker's Stand decorated with an American Flag shield.)